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lars strom
04-09-2023, 04:45 PM
I have a great memory when I met Ziggy Boettle at the OMC racing center in Brugge, Belgium 1975. Back then the Swedish Evinrude distributor Huzells made white wooden clogs with the Evinrude logo in blue..see picture.. I did have the right size for Ziggy with me and gave him a pair..
I was laughing so hard when Ziggy tried to walk in his new Evinrude clogs..he just could not walk in them.
I think he took the´m back home and did some practice to walk by himself..:)
— with Troy Boettle (https://www.facebook.com/troy.boettle?__cft__[0]=AZXcWQayU879DIFfvgGyabqit871iNRA15zJrndW6DGdmYa1D1OTQhcRGvedSS1wnWrju-X0zDs4RG3w5-64XIEHoSQbD8Se4JTWPfb8lSsfDkhmNmbcS73M6dN4p_Y8xYWjtOa75d5lIhxnsbsdZ9-o&__tn__=-]C*F).

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lars strom
04-10-2023, 06:23 PM
Rouen 24 Hours 1991

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vintage v4
04-10-2023, 11:06 PM
I can only speak thru 1976, when I left ONC. OMC Engineering was a separate facility attached to the back end of the Johnson assemble plant In Waukegan. All of engineering personal were in that building, including the race group. The race group was located in the upstairs of the boat house. Engineering also included a fully staffed machine shop and pattern shop. Prototype sand casings were made by an outside vendor from patterns made in house and machined in house. The hand work, assembly and dyno of factory race engines was done by race group personal in house. I can't speak to dealer engines, but Schubert says they were assembled in Kenosha Wis. I don't know of any Kenosha operation but I was told KR15Ms were built at Plant 3 which is still standing at 701 Pershing Rd. Waukegan, about a mile from the main headquarters (which no longer exists). Now the former plant 3 is occupied by AL Hansen co. Manufacturing truck hardware. Tom Busse and Clarence Blanchard ran the operation. I got this information from Tom and Clarence when I worked with them.

WaterZebra
04-11-2023, 05:40 AM
The Super Strangler & Johnson Stinger GP engines when made available to dealers were assembled in Kenosha, WI. Most of the machining of powerhead parts was done in Waukegan.

I'm confused about the term "dealer race engines". Are you saying that OMC had their own stock of specially built race engines with TLC but the dealer units were built somewhere else without the extra TLC (labor and machining)? In other words the "dealer" units were never going to be "equal" to the "factory" pieces? This is the one thing that bothered me about OPC racing. Unless you were willing to "tinker" ($$$$) with your set up, don't expect to beat the factory efforts.

John Schubert
04-11-2023, 07:04 AM
I don't know of any Kenosha operation but I was told KR15Ms were built at Plant 3 which is still standing at 701 Pershing Rd. Waukegan, about a mile from the main headquarters (which no longer exists). Now the former plant 3 is occupied by AL Hansen co. Manufacturing truck hardware. Tom Busse and Clarence Blanchard ran the operation. I got this information from Tom and Clarence when I worked with them.
I guarantee there was the factory in Kenosha. I can’t recall the address but I actually visited the facility. The

John Schubert
04-11-2023, 07:11 AM
I'm confused about the term "dealer race engines". Are you saying that OMC had their own stock of specially built race engines with TLC but the dealer units were built somewhere else without the extra TLC (labor and machining)? In other words the "dealer" units were never going to be "equal" to the "factory" pieces? This is the one thing that bothered me about OPC racing. Unless you were willing to "tinker" ($$$$) with your set up, don't expect to beat the factory efforts.
When the Super Strangler & Stinger GP were introduced with the 8 barrel carbs, the facility in Kenosha was like an assembly line operation for dealers to purchase these motors. Our T*A*R*t, semi factory, used these for routine races successfully. When we competed at the races where factory teams competed, our engines came from the race group who essentially had built all the engines used by us & the rest of the factory drivers. The conclusion being handbuilltvs assembly line certainly could be translated as more HP

2us70
04-11-2023, 10:32 AM
After the 1976 season I was trying to figure out what I was going to race going forward. In the process of this I came to the conclusion that a privateer like myself with no factory or dealership connections had to have a lot of money to spend. Even then you would find yourself racing against the factory that built your motor or the dealer who sold it. By 1978 I finally decided that OPC racing had become too expensive and moved on. In 1979 my wife and I experienced the first positive bank balances of our lives.

lars strom
04-11-2023, 01:02 PM
When the Super Strangler & Stinger GP were introduced with the 8 barrel carbs, the facility in Kenosha was like an assembly line operation for dealers to purchase these motors. Our T*A*R*t, semi factory, used these for routine races successfully. When we competed at the races where factory teams competed, our engines came from the race group who essentially had built all the engines used by us & the rest of the factory drivers. The conclusion being handbuilltvs assembly line certainly could be translated as more HP

The Evinrude distributor Huzells in Sweden purchased around five new Super Strangler 1975 and sold to local dealers.
Here is one doing local offshore racing.
You can see Huzells on the boat.
The Johnson distributor AGB did the same thing..around five Stinger GP sold the Johnson dealers in Sweden.

Later 1975 OMC sent a letter to Huzells and AGB and cancelled them as distributors in Sweden..
One of OMC's biggest mistakes ever and was the start for sales trouble in Europe.

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lars strom
04-11-2023, 08:00 PM
The Johnson booth at the Marine Manufacturers Trade Show in Chicago, Sept 1985.

Thanks.

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lars strom
04-12-2023, 08:58 AM
A picture to brighten up your morning..!!..:)
Three racy models............
Johnson booth at the 1985 Marine Manufacturers Trade Show in Chicago

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Bob V
04-12-2023, 11:20 AM
A picture to brighten up your morning..!!..:)
Three racy models............
Johnson booth at the 1985 Marine Manufacturers Trade Show in Chicago

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Sold....I will take the very hi performance model in the center....:thumbsup:

WaterZebra
04-12-2023, 11:24 AM
OMC's "J" motor was a great contribution to stock outboard racing. The SST45 / 45SS engine made a good home in OPC but the stock outboard (45SS) was kind of a puzzle? I never did understand if it was a success?

lars strom
04-12-2023, 12:15 PM
Sold....I will take the very hi performance model in the center....:thumbsup:

Kathy Johnson a.k.a "Billy"

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Amberjack1234
04-12-2023, 01:30 PM
After the 1976 season I was trying to figure out what I was going to race going forward. In the process of this I came to the conclusion that a privateer like myself with no factory or dealership connections had to have a lot of money to spend. Even then you would find yourself racing against the factory that built your motor or the dealer who sold it. By 1978 I finally decided that OPC racing had become too expensive and moved on. In 1979 my wife and I experienced the first positive bank balances of our lives.
Experience the same joy of racing as you described in your well said piece. To compete with the likes of the factory and semi factory racers one had to have at least a dealership sponsor or an independent person with money. I was just a local razor in the Miami Florida area and had a lot of fun when I got married in 1976 I gave up boat racing myself and experience a positive cash flow for a while until my wife discovered she like to spend money. So I started making good money started sponsoring a GEN boat and my wife and still had a negative bank balance who could ask for more

lars strom
04-12-2023, 02:06 PM
A picture to brighten up your morning..!!..:)
Three racy models............
Johnson booth at the 1985 Marine Manufacturers Trade Show in Chicago

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Yes this was the 1986 model year.


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2us70
04-12-2023, 07:45 PM
Was the 45ss a direct competitor with the Merc 44xs?

lars strom
04-12-2023, 08:09 PM
@2us70 (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=3396)

I dont know but at one time there was around 450 SST-45 boats around the US ready to race. It was a very popular class and still is.

Evinrude and SST 45 was the start for F1 Shaun Torrente ..!!https://svera.se/blogg/evinrude-and-sst-45-was-the-start-for-f1-shaun-torrente/

Bob V
04-13-2023, 05:50 AM
Kathy Johnson a.k.a "Billy"

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Definitely could use one of these on my transom....Smoking...:thumbsup:

John Schubert
04-13-2023, 09:41 AM
Was the 45ss a direct competitor with the Merc 44xs?
Not even close. Merc was a cross flow deflector whereas the OMC was a loop. Despite what you might read I built the first prototype of the 45SS in my workshop. Sent the data to Edgar Rose at OMC, never heard anything & Alas, they introduced it. And, I was working as Service Mgr at Lawn-Boy. It seemed too fast for the Stock boys, wasn't approved, but mod approved it & then the 45SST was formed by the OMC race group headed by Fred Miller. Largest OPC class ever & still is.

lars strom
04-13-2023, 09:42 AM
@2us70 (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=3396)

I dont know but at one time there was around 450 SST-45 boats around the US ready to race. It was a very popular class and still is.

Evinrude and SST 45 was the start for F1 Shaun Torrente ..!!

https://svera.se/blogg/evinrude-and-sst-45-was-the-start-for-f1-shaun-torrente/


Not sure how many 45 SS OMC sold in the US and around the world but it was a big number.. Plenty of new 45 SS ended in Scandinavia.

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John Schubert
04-13-2023, 09:45 AM
OMC's "J" motor was a great contribution to stock outboard racing. The SST45 / 45SS engine made a good home in OPC but the stock outboard (45SS) was kind of a puzzle? I never did understand if it was a success?
It was an A class motor, with a restrictor plate provided by APBA it was legal for J.

WaterZebra
04-13-2023, 04:19 PM
Not even close. Merc was a cross flow deflector whereas the OMC was a loop. Despite what you might read I built the first prototype of the 45SS in my workshop. Sent the data to Edgar Rose at OMC, never heard anything & Alas, they introduced it. And, I was working as Service Mgr at Lawn-Boy. It seemed too fast for the Stock boys, wasn't approved, but mod approved it & then the 45SST was formed by the OMC race group headed by Fred Miller. Largest OPC class ever & still is.

#1 Were the SST45 and 45SS identical engines?
#2 Did 45SS ever get off the ground with the stock outboard people as a stand alone class or just blended into a MOD class?

* I think the APBA was careful not to try blending the SST45, 45SS and 44XS together.........

John Schubert
04-13-2023, 04:50 PM
#1 Were the SST45 and 45SS identical engines?
#2 Did 45SS ever get off the ground with the stock outboard people as a stand alone class or just blended into a MOD class?

* I think the APBA was careful not to try blending the SST45, 45SS and 44XS together.........
The 45SS & SST45 engines were the same. APBA Stock category ran the 45SS class which for all practical purposes was the OPC SST45 class. Sam rules including only 3 blade props. The west coast put both classes on their sanctions. The rest of the regions deferred to OPC SST45 only. Eventually SO bounced the class. The Merc 44XS was only a runabout & hydro class motor in stock. In mod they had a 45 runabout & hydro class with the stock 45 motor for several years then dissolved the class due to limited registered drivers. Some modified the motor & ran it in what is 850 today but weren’t competitive either the 3cylinder 49 c. I. Looper

keith scotton
04-13-2023, 05:15 PM
If I remember wright 45ss were rope start.

John Schubert
04-13-2023, 05:37 PM
If I remember wright 45ss were rope start.
Wrong. Both were the same engine. On the west coast finish 2 heats of 45SS then 3 more SST45. In mod at first it was stock motors with ES & cowls then when they went modified, some top dome ES

lars strom
04-13-2023, 06:09 PM
Just to steer up a bit more from the OMC Chicago Trade Show 1985..!!..https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t27/1.5/16/1f600.png
Kathy Johnson a.k.a "Billy" the Cobra girl again between the 15A and the 45SS racing Johnson outboard.
Have fun.

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Bob V
04-14-2023, 06:07 AM
Just over 57 years ago...

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lars strom
04-14-2023, 07:31 AM
time for a morning coffee............

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keith scotton
04-14-2023, 07:52 AM
45 ss came out in 1986 with a rope start 1988 was the first year it came in the box with electric start and trim. Installed electric start on
the few we sold.
Enjoy L:ife

lars strom
04-14-2023, 08:33 AM
time for a morning coffee............

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FB response from my Norwegian friend..:cheers:


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lars strom
04-14-2023, 09:30 AM
45 ss came out in 1986 with a rope start 1988 was the first year it came in the box with electric start and trim. Installed electric start on
the few we sold.
Enjoy L:ife

The info I got..

"The 45ss was originally designed/produced/sold as a recoil-rope start engine. Its target market was to drivers in the APBA Stock Outboard category, for use on hydroplanes and runabouts. As the engine evolved to tunnel boats, electric start became a standard feature, as well as other changes that made the engine more suitable to tunnel boats"

WaterZebra
04-14-2023, 09:56 AM
The 45SS & SST45 engines were the same. APBA Stock category ran the 45SS class which for all practical purposes was the OPC SST45 class. Sam rules including only 3 blade props. The west coast put both classes on their sanctions. The rest of the regions deferred to OPC SST45 only. Eventually SO bounced the class. The Merc 44XS was only a runabout & hydro class motor in stock. In mod they had a 45 runabout & hydro class with the stock 45 motor for several years then dissolved the class due to limited registered drivers. Some modified the motor & ran it in what is 850 today but weren’t competitive either the 3cylinder 49 c. I. Looper

Was there any point in history with these engines where the hydros or runabouts ran together with the tunnels?

2us70
04-14-2023, 10:15 AM
Was Walin also one of the drivers of the DeSilva wing boat? I cant imagine what the jump from A runabout to this boat was like for him. As I recall he was selected because of his very small size to fit in the boat. The final outcome for him was tragic.

Just over 57 years ago...

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John Schubert
04-14-2023, 10:18 AM
The info I got..

"The 45ss was originally designed/produced/sold as a recoil-rope start engine. Its target market was to drivers in the APBA Stock Outboard category, for use on hydroplanes and runabouts. As the engine evolved to tunnel boats, electric start became a standard feature, as well as other changes that made the engine more suitable to tunnel boats"
That may be as written, but did not happen. SO group didn’t approve the motor for kneel downs claiming “too fast”. The very first real introduction was at Dayton on 4 tunnels built by Leigh Furnal, Bunky Bowerman, Sam Hemp (who also did much if not all of the prototype testing) & Tim Butts of Aerowing fame.

John Schubert
04-14-2023, 10:22 AM
Was Walin also one of the drivers of the DeSilva wing boat? I cant imagine what the jump from A runabout to this boat was like for him. As I recall he was selected because winning at the Parker enduroof his very small size to fit in the boat. The final outcome for him was tragic.
He was. Winning at the Parker enduro

lars strom
04-14-2023, 11:04 AM


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John Schubert
04-14-2023, 11:13 AM
I stand corrected but note no rope pull. But, I’m still not convinced there were actually more hydros in the 45ss other than Jerry. My personal belief is that the others in the class ran tunnels. Prove me wrong. I lived through the beginning years with the class having a memo engine from Jack Leek. We won the nationals 3 times , twice with Chuck Zolkoske and once with Gordie Miller driving

lars strom
04-14-2023, 11:50 AM
Dayton, Ohio.

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lars strom
04-14-2023, 11:54 AM
Rope pull red circle.

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vintage v4
04-14-2023, 12:03 PM
I guarantee there was the factory in Kenosha. I can’t recall the address but I actually visited the facility. The
John, You got me wondering .....Was that facility you visited a former car dealership that the race group was using? Was Whitey a supervisor there at the time?

lars strom
04-14-2023, 12:11 PM
"The Jo/Ev 15A race engines were produced in the OMC production plant in Milwaukee, by many of the same people that produced the production 15hp fishing motors.

The Jo/Ev 45ss race engines were produced at Second Effort in Florida, by their team of technicians"

John Schubert
04-14-2023, 12:14 PM
John, You got me wondering .....Was that facility you visited a former car dealership that the race group was using? Was Whitey a supervisor there at the time?
Could have been, but about all I remember is there was a shipping/receiving dock high enough to back in a semi trailer

John Schubert
04-14-2023, 12:21 PM
Rope pull red circle.

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That again is NOT true. That is where the electrical harness passes through. Search for & look at a parts book. You seem to be challenging me, so even though I was there, I will no longer respond.

lars strom
04-14-2023, 12:42 PM
That again is NOT true. That is where the electrical harness passes through. Search for & look at a parts book. You seem to be challenging me, so even though I was there, I will no longer respond.


Well..I am only showing the fact..some 45SS was rope start.


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lars strom
04-14-2023, 12:52 PM
From FB.

1978 Canadian High Points SE Champion.
Won all 4 heats that weekend to become the champion.

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lars strom
04-14-2023, 12:54 PM
Dennis Hardy (https://www.facebook.com/dennis.hardy.758?__tn__=-UC*F)

I raced my Seebold SE boat in Picton in the early 1980s, race number 306.

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lars strom
04-14-2023, 01:53 PM
A brand new 45SS over in Scandinavia.

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Rotary John
04-14-2023, 02:33 PM
Could have been, but about all I remember is there was a shipping/receiving dock high enough to back in a semi trailerJohn: wasn't there a plant in Manitowoc, Wis. where some race engines were built. The old Tradewinds trailer plant.

John Schubert
04-14-2023, 02:46 PM
John: wasn't there a plant in Manitowoc, Wis. where some race engines were built. The old Tradewinds trailer plant.
John,
Trade winds was in Manawa. Primarily built carbs & setup a polishing system using erasers to SS props. They also built the amusement rotary powered race cars for Delorean. Plant manager was Phil Meldahl shop manager was Jerry Rosewitz. They also did our Lawn-Boy D engine snow thrower that was a disaster. I spent a lot of time there as I was the product mgr to the snow throwers and a very good friend with Phil. I don’t recall any race engines being assembled there but Phil would have liked it

Rotary John
04-14-2023, 03:41 PM
John,
Trade winds was in Manawa. Primarily built carbs & setup a polishing system using erasers to SS props. They also built the amusement rotary powered race cars for Delorean. Plant manager was Phil Meldahl shop manager was Jerry Rosewitz. They also did our Lawn-Boy D engine snow thrower that was a disaster. I spent a lot of time there as I was the product mgr to the snow throwers and a very good friend with Phil. I don’t recall any race engines being assembled there but Phil would have liked itI vaguely recall an off site in Wis. that built race engines. I believe Clarance Blanchard was in charge. It only lasted a short time, but that's about all I remember about it.

lars strom
04-14-2023, 04:14 PM
Two very powerful Johnson racing V8 outboards.
Thanks Erik Nordskog.

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John Schubert
04-14-2023, 04:27 PM
I vaguely recall an off site in Wis. that built race engines. I believe Clarance Blanchard was in charge. It only lasted a short time, but that's about all I remember about it.
Yes I believe Clarence was in charge & yes it was actually the initial build of the 8 barrel carbs, i.e., Super Stranglers $ Stinger GP’s

lars strom
04-14-2023, 04:51 PM
That again is NOT true. That is where the electrical harness passes through. Search for & look at a parts book. You seem to be challenging me, so even though I was there, I will no longer respond.


I am just going by facts..and you asked me for this..!!

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John Schubert
04-14-2023, 04:57 PM
I am just going by facts..and you asked me for this..!!

And
Yes, I just looked at my parts catalog & it shows a manual pull start. Nevertheless I stand by what I’ve said, I don’t recall any being raced that way. I believe the picture of Jerry Weinent was Sam Hemps hydro that was used for all the prototype testing by Sam & used for that race.

Rotary John
04-14-2023, 05:06 PM
Yes I believe Clarence was in charge & yes it was actually the initial build of the 8 barrel carbs, i.e., Super Stranglers $ Stinger GP’sJohn: Here's from the horses mouth; Trade Winds assembled Mod50’s at the plant in Manitowoc WI. Phil Meldahl ran TW at the time then moved to run the plant in Mexico. Clarance help set up a facility in Zion to assemble V-8 race engines prior to OMC buying Second effort.
John

John Schubert
04-14-2023, 05:39 PM
John: Here's from the horses mouth; Trade Winds assembled Mod50’s at the plant in Manitowoc WI. Phil Meldahl ran TW at the time then moved to run the plant in Mexico. Clarance help set up a facility in Zion to assemble V-8 race engines prior to OMC buying Second effort.
John
Whose horses mouth. Phil Meldahl was first in HR in Corp office. He assisted me in my hiring process when I was hired by Jim Briggs. He then went to Tradewinds in Manawa where he stayed until moving to El Paso to build the new facility in Juarez for carbs & ignitions. I do now recall them building Mod 50’s in a Manawa. I vaguely remember the V 8 facility but by then I was no longer close to the race program, although I attended many races. The Zion facility many years prior could have been where the 8 barrel carbed V 4’s were built

WaterZebra
04-14-2023, 05:44 PM
John: Here's from the horses mouth; Trade Winds assembled Mod50’s at the plant in Manitowoc WI. Phil Meldahl ran TW at the time then moved to run the plant in Mexico. Clarance help set up a facility in Zion to assemble V-8 race engines prior to OMC buying Second effort.
John

OMC NEVER owned 2nd Effort! It wasn't even a subsidiary of OMC. It was separated from the "mother ship" for a long list of liability issues and rightly so.

John Schubert
04-14-2023, 06:28 PM
OMC NEVER owned 2nd Effort! It wasn't even a subsidiary of OMC. It was separated from the "mother ship" for a long list of liability issues and rightly so.
Where did that come from?? If OMC didn’t buy them, there was nothing in the office or buildings behind that wasn’t OMC Gary must have had a humongous monthly charge back. I do believe that Duke Waldrop the sales manager was on OMC’s payroll:

Rotary John
04-14-2023, 06:39 PM
OMC NEVER owned 2nd Effort! It wasn't even a subsidiary of OMC. It was separated from the "mother ship" for a long list of liability issues and rightly so.OMC did indeed buy out Garbrick. The facility was run by Niel brown after that.

lars strom
04-14-2023, 09:46 PM
Our beautiful Lake of the Ozarks and the best marina lifestyle.
Thanks

— with Carina Strom (https://www.facebook.com/carina.strom.5473?__tn__=-]C*F) at MarineMax Missouri (https://www.facebook.com/marinemaxmissouri?__tn__=-]C*F).

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WaterZebra
04-14-2023, 10:42 PM
"The Jo/Ev 15A race engines were produced in the OMC production plant in Milwaukee, by many of the same people that produced the production 15hp fishing motors.

The Jo/Ev 45ss race engines were produced at Second Effort in Florida, by their team of technicians"

The 3 cylinder OMC engine started out life as the Triumph 55 hp. How big did the 2 cylinder grow to be? 55? 60?

John Schubert
04-15-2023, 07:24 AM
Yes, I just looked at my parts catalog & it shows a manual pull start. Nevertheless I stand by what I’ve said, I don’t recall any being raced that way. I believe the picture of Jerry Weinent was Sam Hemps hydro that was used for all the prototype testing by Sam & used for that race.
OK, I must have had a gap in my memory bank prior to our starting to use tunnels rather then runabouts & hydros. For that, as Jackie Wilson would sy "sometimes you eat bear" but I will say "I'll eat Crow". I contacted a fellow former OMC engineer that was part of the 45 development team. Here is his answer.
Yes, the 45ss was originally designed only for hydro's and runabouts, using the old-fashioned side mounted recoil starter to keep the CG down.
Jerry Wienandt ran it in stock and mod races, as a rope start. He actually had it kick-back while starting at a race, and broke his finger. We then designed and released a dual spark advance system that allowed the driver to start the engine at low spark advance and then switch to high (normal) spark advance once started. Jerry got the first one ;-)
As far as I know, Jerry always drove the 45ss on his own boat.
I think that Phil Van Syckle was one of the other 45ss hydro drivers.
There were also a few from the Minnesota area.
Regarding the ignition system, the engine had the normal production CD2 ignition, which was fully flywheel magneto and used no battery.
I think the rope start 45ss, on hydros/runabouts, won numerous Stock Outboard races, including a National Championship or two.
In APBA Mod, 45ss rope start engines won multiple National Championships in FEH (850cc), including hydro and runabout, National High Point in FEH, plus a closed course record. Not bad for an engine that was inherently at a disadvantage against the larger displacement triples.
I think that DSH speeds were more of the comfort zone, which is very understandable.
When I was driving the 45ss on our A&H hydro, it would run 87+ mph, with very good punch. In fact, you needed to position/anchor yourself securely in the cockpit before hammering the throttle, as the boat would accelerate so hard that it tended to scoot out from under you.
In APBA Stock, the hydros ran with the tunnels for a while, until the transition to tunnels accelerated, which turned out to be the right decision, as the SST45 class provided good fun and competition for many years, as you know ;-)

On the water SST45 success was influenced significantly by creative boat designers and builders. Because of the modest power of the 45ss for a tunnel boat, boat design and set-up become more important than ever. From my memory, the Hoffman boat design evolution seemed to be the turning point, where it became clear that SST45 tunnel boats could be a successful package. I'm sure that other boat makers were having similar success.
And to think, it all started about 38 years ago........................
It actually started several years prior to that when I John Schubert built the first prototyoe in my workshop. Still the largest & most competitive OPC class ever

lars strom
04-15-2023, 09:40 AM
I just got this Johnson poster from a friend of mine.

Victory with a stock (un-modified) 45SS rope-start engine..!!


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517775&d=1681569517

lars strom
04-15-2023, 09:56 AM
Testing the new OMC 15A proto-type engine for the first time.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517785&d=1681570559

lars strom
04-15-2023, 09:58 AM
Close racing with the Jo/Ev 15A race engines.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517786&d=1681570690

2us70
04-15-2023, 10:51 AM
Mr. Schubert. You are right on the money about the difficulty of getting a tunnel to work with smaller motors. My first tunnel boat was a McCall SE boat in 1968. At the time the default motor for SE was the 44in Mercury with the 3cyl OMC 49in motors just coming on the scene. I spent 6 months trying to get that boat to work with the Merc 50 with little success. I finally found a solution by putting my 110# wife in it. It ran great but she declined to race it. John McCall agreed to take the boat back in trade for a V-bottom boat. That V-bottom was the real fix. I raced it for 5 seasons and it was the right boat for 44in motor.

lars strom
04-15-2023, 10:59 AM
Two very powerful Johnson racing V8 outboards.
Thanks Erik Nordskog.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517753&d=1681506812

...
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517790&d=1681574319

John Schubert
04-15-2023, 11:35 AM
I just got this Johnson poster from a friend of mine.
fE class was mod category not Stock Outboard
Victory with a stock (un-modified) 45SS rope-start engine..!!


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517775&d=1681569517
FE class was mod category not Stock Outboard

lars strom
04-15-2023, 01:16 PM
Yes I understand that but Jerry won with a Johnson 45SS engine that was in stock configuration (not modified), when raced in the Mod category (which does allow modifications).
If Jerry had modified his engine, he most likely would have won by a bigger margin.

lars strom
04-15-2023, 02:00 PM
(https://www.facebook.com/jim.beurrier?__tn__=%3C*F)Jim Beurrier (https://www.facebook.com/jim.beurrier?__tn__=-UC*F)

The awesome crew that got it done in two weeks. I am 4th from the left.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517795&d=1681585179

lars strom
04-15-2023, 02:05 PM
More..


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517796&d=1681585371
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517798&d=1681585371

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517797&d=1681585371

lars strom
04-15-2023, 03:59 PM
...

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517799&d=1681592334

Bob V
04-15-2023, 04:00 PM
I would not even want to guess how much gas those 24 carburetors consume at WOT....:eek:

lars strom
04-15-2023, 04:14 PM
Not to bad..same 3.5 liter power-head we used for F1-V8 racing @Bob V (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=5816)

A brand new Merc 450R - V8 with today's technology burns 50 up to 55 gallon per hour WOT..no way my F1-V8 could do that.

Rotary John
04-15-2023, 05:55 PM
450HP 4-stroke should burn around 35 gal/hr. not 55

lars strom
04-15-2023, 06:01 PM
@Rotary John (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=48164)

The Merc 450 R is super charged and burns 50 up to 55 gallon per hour WOT.

Muskoka2
04-15-2023, 08:42 PM
The 3 cylinder OMC engine started out life as the Triumph 55 hp. How big did the 2 cylinder grow to be? 55? 60?60-I believe-had one!

Rotary John
04-16-2023, 03:34 AM
@Rotary John (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=48164)

The Merc 450 R is super charged and burns 50 up to 55 gallon per hour WOT.If that's true, then it produces a lot more than 450HP.

powerabout
04-16-2023, 05:55 AM
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517796&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1681585371
Stock lower under an f1 V8, how long did that last?

Muskoka2
04-16-2023, 08:01 AM
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517796&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1681585371
Stock lower under an f1 V8, how long did that last?
From New Orleans to St. Louis I believe!

FMP
04-16-2023, 09:48 AM
If that's true, then it produces a lot more than 450HP.

Well sure, Merc always understickers their motors, that's how they do it. Best is to call it a +450, or just use the displacement including the blower displacement as the sticker .

lars strom
04-16-2023, 11:32 AM
From New Orleans to St. Louis I believe!

Correct..All the pictures of the triple V8 Scarab is for that event. A few more is coming.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517812&d=1681592334

lars strom
04-16-2023, 11:45 AM
This is the back up boat being rigged for the New Orleans to St. Louis event/record.
3 X Evinrude V6 235. Remember this was 1982..3 years before the production V8 came our.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517813&d=1681663330

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517815&d=1681663346

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517814&d=1681663346

lars strom
04-16-2023, 01:17 PM
Stock lower under an f1 V8, how long did that last?

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517825&d=1681585371





I asked Jim Beurrier (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/1380115173/?__cft__[0]=AZVLl5DGkfNOZp00uzdkjQVPYRFLEYcXh-dYAyMMFfKR2s6G4FbQLmBGUDPb8oObLk-gSa1IEIk37JmIfVjLR8f335hQ_gCMGdQElAUmIkpuEA4ahArB4j79jEPmSDIAn_dwy54vJFDkN_tHR9-Yayh4&__tn__=R]-R)


Lars Strom (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/1020429044/?__cft__[0]=AZVLl5DGkfNOZp00uzdkjQVPYRFLEYcXh-dYAyMMFfKR2s6G4FbQLmBGUDPb8oObLk-gSa1IEIk37JmIfVjLR8f335hQ_gCMGdQElAUmIkpuEA4ahArB4j79jEPmSDIAn_dwy54vJFDkN_tHR9-Yayh4&__tn__=R]-R)

I can’t say for sure but I believe they were production V-8 gear cases. I know they brought a lot of spares. And changed them out at fuel stops along the way.

lars strom
04-16-2023, 01:44 PM
...

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517826&d=1681670660

lars strom
04-16-2023, 02:41 PM
The Scarab 38 hanging..The Evinrude Test Center in Stuart, Florida.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517827&d=1681674069

lars strom
04-16-2023, 03:37 PM
More about the Scarab 38 is coming..!!

I got another pretty cool Johnson 45SS picture/info from a friend of mine this morning.
Thanks.

"Jerry Wienandt testing a 45SS proto-type on his B&H hydro, Oct 1985"

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517833&d=1681676970

lars strom
04-16-2023, 05:10 PM
Shadow Cat 30 2 X Johnson 3.5 liter F1-V8 racing outboards
Thanks Rick Davis.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517839&d=1681682984

Instigator
04-16-2023, 06:31 PM
Not to my knowledge or memory.

I was at Dayton Ohio the first time they ran a 45 as an exhibition.

One hydro and two tunnel boats.
I think Jerry Weiandt drove the hydro.

He was a big time Mod Hydro racer at the time.

For the exhibition the hydro gave the tunnels the start by 1/2 a straightaway.
He caught and passed both tunnels by the exit of the first turn!

I was running multiple 2 cyl Stock and Mod hydro and runabout classes at the time.

From then on I only saw the 45’s on tunnels, in Stock OB in their own class and same in OPC.

They were also run in Mod hydro in I think Formula E.

In Stock, I always assumed that mother Mercury made sure mother APBA would never allow them to compete against (destroy) their beloved 44Xs D stock motor.

As an OMC guy, I was horse for days after watching that exhibition run!

IMO, they were a neat motor for a tiny tunnel for a guy that had sore knees and was sick of being wet all weekend but on a DSH or DMH they were bad suns a bitches!

I was on turn boat duty one yr, also at Dayton, in the first turn for a DMH race and one of the best duels I ever saw!

Eric VanOver, who was king of DMH w/a 44 based Merc piper against a 45 OMC w/no pipe. Can’t remember the drivers name…

Was an epic battle for the lead.
The OMC got to the turns first but was a smaller hull that struggled w/that motor/speeds.
Lap after lap Eric would catch/pass him in the turns and the OMC would run him down in the straights.

Coming into the first turn of the last lap the OMC hooked and barrel rolled right in front of us.
Giving the win to Eric.

Who did drive his ass off!




Was there any point in history with these engines where the hydros or runabouts ran together with the tunnels?

lars strom
04-16-2023, 07:07 PM
Correct..All the pictures of the triple V8 Scarab is for that event. A few more is coming.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517812&d=1681592334

Poster.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517840&d=1681690002

lars strom
04-16-2023, 07:42 PM
Craig Furnal (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/28401289/?__cft__[0]=AZX9paStkCQrIBLM9x7yIXehcd7dZ200yTauf7Bwbyg-z629u-ygwP44SkgfuctBn4EJ00jF4wn8hkmKZuAESczeuyBIwQPS6U4kntesfVY9d-lEqLAMNvnX8tXzGEEASK7a07n_1S32bxk7Gvrs_kKd&__tn__=R]-R)

Here is a photo of Jerry Wienandt in the foreground with my dad crashing in the background after launching off of Tim Butts.

Thanks

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517841&d=1681692114

powerabout
04-17-2023, 02:12 AM
If that's true, then it produces a lot more than 450HP.
the 4 slugs run rich to lower the NOX.
Wouldnt want to be inside a workshop with one in the tank as opposed to an e-tec where you cant even notice they are running in a closed building

WaterZebra
04-17-2023, 04:16 AM
Craig Furnal (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/28401289/?__cft__[0]=AZX9paStkCQrIBLM9x7yIXehcd7dZ200yTauf7Bwbyg-z629u-ygwP44SkgfuctBn4EJ00jF4wn8hkmKZuAESczeuyBIwQPS6U4kntesfVY9d-lEqLAMNvnX8tXzGEEASK7a07n_1S32bxk7Gvrs_kKd&__tn__=R]-R)

Here is a photo of Jerry Wienandt in the foreground with my dad crashing in the background after launching off of Tim Butts.

Thanks

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517841&d=1681692114

Furnal built some wicked looking OMC V8 F1 full canopy tunnel boats that were run by Bob Thompson and Ben Robertson back in the day (team NAIU?). These hulls made a bold statement that something better could run against Molinari, Velden or Hodges..........

John Schubert
04-17-2023, 11:39 AM
Not to my knowledge or memory.

I was at Dayton Ohio the first time they ran a 45 as an exhibition.

One hydro and two tunnel boats.
I think Jerry Weiandt drove the hydro.

He was a big time Mod Hydro racer at the time.

For the exhibition the hydro gave the tunnels the start by 1/2 a straightaway.
He caught and passed both tunnels by the exit of the first turn!

I was running multiple 2 cyl Stock and Mod hydro and runabout classes at the time.

From then on I only saw the 45’s on tunnels, in Stock OB in their own class and same in OPC.

They were also run in Mod hydro in I think Formula E.

In Stock, I always assumed that mother Mercury made sure mother APBA would never allow them to compete against (destroy) their beloved 44Xs D stock motor.

As an OMC guy, I was horse for days after watching that exhibition run!

IMO, they were a neat motor for a tiny tunnel for a guy that had sore knees and was sick of being wet all weekend but on a DSH or DMH they were bad suns a bitches!

I was on turn boat duty one yr, also at Dayton, in the first turn for a DMH race and one of the best duels I ever saw!

Eric VanOver, who was king of DMH w/a 44 based Merc piper against a 45 OMC w/no pipe. Can’t remember the drivers name…

Was an epic battle for the lead.
The OMC got to the turns first but was a smaller hull that struggled w/that motor/speeds.
Lap after lap Eric would catch/pass him in the turns and the OMC would run him down in the straights.

Coming into the first turn of the last lap the OMC hooked and barrel rolled right in front of us.
Giving the win to Eric.

Who did drive his ass off!
I believe it was Lyle Mason.

Instigator
04-17-2023, 12:16 PM
You are correct sir!

I always regretted not tracking him down in the pits to shake his hand and thank him for the amazing show!



I believe it was Lyle Mason.

Mark Poole ModVP
04-18-2023, 02:50 AM
Someone asked who the driver of the black tunnel no. 522 in the start dock Powerboat magazine pic was. That was Bucky Morris. He raced Mercs for years before switching to OMC. The black boat is a Broughton tunnel.

lars strom
04-18-2023, 10:42 AM
More OMC info from my friend..Thank you.

"Chet DuBois was an outstanding outboard engine designer, very talented.
He had a hand in the design of the 15A and 45SS, as well as dozens of other outboard engine designs. Truly one of the best.
This picture is of one of the best outboard designers ever (Chet), with one of the best outboard technicians ever (Ziggy)"

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517875&d=1681832489

lars strom
04-18-2023, 11:22 AM
Chet DuBois is currently retired. During his retirement party, he was gifted with the display that he and Ziggy are holding.
The display contains downsized prints of the first page of each of Chet's 25 US Patents.

lars strom
04-18-2023, 11:22 AM
Back to Mike Reagan's Scarab 38 with 3 X Evinrude Offhore racing engines..(F1-V8 power-heads)
Test running the engines hanging in the lift at the Evinrude Test Center.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517877&d=1681767955

lars strom
04-19-2023, 10:31 AM
Pappy Lynn

(https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/100089381493666/?__cft__[0]=AZUsP2iAkKFL6L2zxccMybv5IbGJ9j4jdKd0juw5iJ0K41CoHNblVv9nfITs2JCBqWPcLUGGusvKsErs92tLgMT8VlyrsAOq4gM x0PL0misLTOtD7ToftllDC7X9LDlrUdqWmitJ4shlC2yzOj67A8h2cLWhvXdvZ_3pfInCCGTSkw&__tn__=R]-R) Those were V8 offshore gear-cases. Sandcast housings.
Engines were 400hp Offshore as well. I was 3rd from the left in that photo and along for the entire trip from the TC to New Orleans and every mile along the way to the Arch in St. Louis. We had highway patrol and police escorts every mile. Streets through towns and cities were closed off as we passed through so that we could keep up and meet the boat at every scheduled fuel stop along the way.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517907&d=1681585179

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517906&d=1681918159

lars strom
04-19-2023, 11:08 AM
I guess this better/faster OMC gear case for the Offshore V8 racing engine was not available at that time.
Shiftable two pinion..


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517908&d=1681920426

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517909&d=1681920426

lars strom
04-19-2023, 11:40 AM
Unique pictures from my friend..!!..Thanks..

"Here's Charlie Strang showing-off his 15A/45ss mugs, from his condo in downtown Chicago"


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517912&d=1681922388

Amberjack1234
04-19-2023, 01:37 PM
I did just shows that OMC couldn’t get it done when they wanted to and give mercury and Brunswick corporation a run for their money. It’s a shame the tight ass Canadians had to shut everything down and if that ruffle feathers so be it.

Amberjack1234
04-19-2023, 01:37 PM
Previous post should read that OMC could get it done when they wanted to. Sorry about that.

lars strom
04-19-2023, 03:37 PM
Today in History - April 19 1877:



Ole Evinrude, the Norwegian American who developed the first commercially successful outboard boat motor, is born in Gjøvik, Norway.

Rotary John
04-19-2023, 05:19 PM
Chet DuBois is currently retired. During his retirement party, he was gifted with the display that he and Ziggy are holding.
The display contains downsized prints of the first page of each of Chet's 25 US Patents.Chet was my designer when I was in charge of the 9.9/15. We patenteda single spring/starter interlock and was working on a revised twist grip throttle when I left.

WaterZebra
04-20-2023, 10:00 AM
Chet was my designer when I was in charge of the 9.9/15. We patenteda single spring/starter interlock and was working on a revised twist grip throttle when I left.

RJ - why were piston rod babbit bearings used on the 9.5s instead of roller cages? Cost? Technology development? Oil bath pathways? I have 6 of these in my collection and finding babbit shops to do refurb work is getting harder to find these days. How was babbit done at OMC for production? Was it poured during crankshaft assembly? I'm assuming that babbit had its origins all the way back to when Evinrude motors were first built.

lars strom
04-20-2023, 11:55 AM
Early 80s Evinrude V6 CCC on SST Allison.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=517964&d=1682009689

Rotary John
04-20-2023, 04:12 PM
RJ - why were piston rod babbit bearings used on the 9.5s instead of roller cages? Cost? Technology development? Oil bath pathways? I have 6 of these in my collection and finding babbit shops to do refurb work is getting harder to find these days. How was babbit done at OMC for production? Was it poured during crankshaft assembly? I'm assuming that babbit had its origins all the way back to when Evinrude motors were first built.I don't know much about the MQ 9.5 other than they sold a gazillion of them and a lot of them are still running. If it had a bronze rod bearing I suspect it was due to cost and the roller brg. wasn't needed. How many engine do you know of that's still running 50/60 yrs latter?

WaterZebra
04-20-2023, 04:28 PM
I don't know much about the MQ 9.5 other than they sold a gazillion of them and a lot of them are still running. If it had a bronze rod bearing I suspect it was due to cost and the roller brg. wasn't needed. How many engine do you know of that's still running 50/60 yrs latter?

Yup...........I have six 9.5's that run. 3 for parts and four folding 3-4 hp weedless engines. Carrying cases are tough to come by. They used some kind of heat formed material that didn't stand up too well over 50 years (LOL). Today's molded ABS tool boxes are a great replacement. There was a "hair net" cover that slipped over the fold area of the tower which is REALLY hard to find (OEM).

lars strom
04-20-2023, 06:09 PM
Pretty sure this is an OMC outboard..but not sure if the video is rigged or not..!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZgJLyGJIik

WaterZebra
04-21-2023, 08:18 AM
Pretty sure this is an OMC outboard..but not sure if the video is rigged or not..!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZgJLyGJIik


Rigged:

- I don't see fuel tank flying towards the back?
- What's a GoPro doing mounted on the bow looking aft?
- The girls don't look too alarmed at what happened?:rolleyes:

lars strom
04-21-2023, 10:01 AM
One of the very best locations in the Stockholm Archipelago is up for sale. Its absolutely beautiful. Check the video.
Yes..this is one of three places I grow up at..!!
Click on "ALLA BILDER"...More pictures here..
https://www.sjonara.se/sv/objekt/charmigt-sjostalle-pa-uvon/?fbclid=IwAR1-MCtYI43N7tEqAertLKARnlKxB5cAs3FWWTDORH-798Qomzi74R3A5QA (https://www.sjonara.se/sv/objekt/charmigt-sjostalle-pa-uvon/?fbclid=IwAR1-MCtYI43N7tEqAertLKARnlKxB5cAs3FWWTDORH-798Qomzi74R3A5QA)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE8wBwPaIGw

lars strom
04-22-2023, 11:11 AM
Allison with Evinrude V6 CCC.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518052&d=1682179850

lars strom
04-22-2023, 04:24 PM
Just before the start of the Three Rivers Regatta in Pittsburgh 1983.
Johnny Sanders to the left of me and Rick Frost to the right.
I think it’s me standing on my #8 Burgess/Aspen/Evinrude V8
Thanks

518060

lars strom
04-22-2023, 07:06 PM
More from Pittsburgh 1983.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518070&d=1639239761

lars strom
04-23-2023, 10:51 AM
Cees Van Der Velden sitting on the dock before the start of the Three Rivers Regatta in Pittsburgh 1983.

The three rivers water looks pretty smooth in this picture..but at the end of the 50 minutes race it was brutally rough..!!

Thanks for the picture

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518086&d=1682264991

lars strom
04-23-2023, 04:42 PM
F1-V8 racing in Sacramento, California 1983

518093

lars strom
04-23-2023, 04:54 PM
F1-V8 racing in Sacramento, California 1983

518095

WaterZebra
04-23-2023, 06:21 PM
F1-V8 racing in Sacramento, California 1983

518095


Literally.............temp there for 3 days was anywhere from 99 to 103 degrees. If you were liucky, your pit location had some scrawny trees or bushes for partial shade.
Pit area was solid concrete with a wall down to the river. All boats were craned in and out. Everybody there probably drank 2 gal of water in one afternoon.

lars strom
04-23-2023, 06:32 PM
F1-V8 racing in Sacramento, California 1983.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518101&d=1682292738

lars strom
04-23-2023, 08:05 PM
F1-V8 racing in Sacramento, California 1983.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518103&d=1682298220

WaterZebra
04-23-2023, 08:55 PM
This photo gives me chills.

lars strom
04-24-2023, 12:45 PM
The winner of the F1-V8 race in Sacramento, California 1983.
The one and only Jimbo McConnell in his #3 Molinari/Evinrude V8

(This picture is from the Pittsburgh race 1983)


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518119&d=1682358312

OLEGATOR
04-24-2023, 01:07 PM
The winner of the F1-V8 race in Sacramento, California 1983.
The one and only Jimbo McConnell in his #3 Molinari/Evinrude V8

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518119&d=1682358312


so jimbo ran 2 rigs in 83? or were there 2 events?

lars strom
04-24-2023, 01:31 PM
Well..the picture of the #3 boat above is from Pittsburgh after Sacramento 1983. Not sure if it is the same boat with some paint change or the same boat..(but pretty sure its the same boat)

This is the paint job of Jimbos #3 boat in Sacramento 1983

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518121&d=1682361387

OLEGATOR
04-24-2023, 05:31 PM
Well..the picture of the #3 boat above is from Pittsburgh after Sacramento 1983. Not sure if it is the same boat with some paint change or the same boat..(but pretty sure its the same boat)

This is the paint job of Jimbos #3 boat in Sacramento 1983

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518121&d=1682361387

thanks for the two edits that straightens the confusion from previous posts.

lars strom
04-24-2023, 05:51 PM
More from Pittsburgh 1983.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518070&d=1639239761

This is fun for me..I dont really remember how i did in the Pittsburgh race 1983..
..but looking at the line up for I guess the second race above I finished third in the first race..past by Sanders in the last turn..
If I was running second for most of the first race after Renato is good enough for me to brag about..:)
I am the third boat in the line up and standing on the wall just behind my #8 Burgess.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518139&d=1682376655

lars strom
04-24-2023, 07:26 PM
Beautiful picture of the #8 Burgess/ASPEN/Evinrude V8 in Pittsburgh's Three River Regatta 1983.:rolleyes:
Thanks.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518142&d=1682382358

lars strom
04-25-2023, 09:48 AM
Here is the start in Pittsburgh 1983..Three Rivers Regatta.
I guess my Evinrude V8 did not fire up the way it normally did..looks like I am the last one leaving the dock..(ASPEN #8)

Again, thanks for the pictures.



https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518148&d=1682433684




https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518149&d=1682433693
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518150&d=1682433702

lars strom
04-25-2023, 12:03 PM
Its Renato Molinari's brother Georgio standing in the water (white hat) holding Renato's #18 Martini boat.
He was on Pole Position and I was third after Johnny Sanders.

WaterZebra
04-25-2023, 04:15 PM
Its Renato Molinari's brother Georgio standing in the water (white hat) holding Renato's #18 Martini boat.
He was on Pole Position and I was third after Johnny Sanders.

So Renato did race in the USA V8 F1 series. It must have been only a couple of years?

lars strom
04-25-2023, 06:18 PM
So Renato did race in the USA V8 F1 series. It must have been only a couple of years?

Yes..Renato won the first ever F1-V8 race in the USA..It was Pittsburgh 1982..Link below.

https://svera.se/blogg/omc-v-8-hits-the-u-s-pittsburgh-1982/

Renato finished second in the Sacramento race 1983..picture below..

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518170&d=1682463826



In Minneapolis 1983 I remember Renato and Jenkins came together in front of me and Jenkins flipped BAD..picture below.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518173&d=1682464639

Renato won Pittsburgh 1983. Picture below


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518171&d=1682464083

In 1984 Renato won Minneapolis and finished second on Pittsburgh. Result below.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518172&d=1682464401

BLisBack!
04-26-2023, 08:15 AM
I would not want to stand in any of those three rivers, then or now :nonod: The best thing about Pgh was the feeling I got when I left in '84

-BL

lars strom
04-26-2023, 12:24 PM
Literally.............temp there for 3 days was anywhere from 99 to 103 degrees. If you were lucky, your pit location had some scrawny trees or bushes for partial shade.
Pit area was solid concrete with a wall down to the river. All boats were craned in and out. Everybody there probably drank 2 gal of water in one afternoon.

A few pictures from the Sacramento pit 1983..some grassy areas.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518214&d=1682529840
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518213&d=1682529833

WaterZebra
04-26-2023, 01:54 PM
1983 event pit area was in a grass and tree area park. 1985 pit area was moved across the river to a paved parking lot that was closer to the hotels and did not require having to use the bridge to get to the pits. As I said before, hotter than hell.

lars strom
04-26-2023, 04:45 PM
Cees Van Der Velden in the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983.
Not sure who is holding the #1 boat.
Thanks for the picture

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518226&d=1682545499

lars strom
04-26-2023, 06:15 PM
Well..it’s Ziggy holding the boat..https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t55/1.5/16/1f44d.pnghttps://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/taa/1.5/16/1f603.png

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518227&d=1682550906

lars strom
04-27-2023, 09:14 AM
Renato Molinari is flying by close to the pit-dock in the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983..:)

Thanks for the picture

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518249&d=1682604842

WaterZebra
04-27-2023, 12:52 PM
Renato Molinari is flying by close to the pit-dock in the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983..:)

Thanks for the picture

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518249&d=1682604842
Great experience but................very very dangerous! Even at 25-30 ft from the dock we could feel the air pulse concussions on the dock as the boats went by.

lars strom
04-27-2023, 03:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XzCylHWYxk

lars strom
04-27-2023, 05:28 PM
This is the paint job of Jimbos #3 boat in Sacramento 1983

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518121&d=1682361387



One more picture of the #3..The winner of the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518288&d=1682634342

lars strom
04-27-2023, 05:47 PM
Cees in Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983.

Thanks

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518289&d=1682635586

lars strom
04-28-2023, 03:26 PM
#88 Johnnie Sanders in the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983.
Yes, its a Hodges.

Thanks

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518300&d=1682713458

lars strom
04-28-2023, 06:12 PM
...
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518305&d=1682723503

lars strom
04-29-2023, 09:03 AM
This is very cool.. this picture shows the 6 different variations of 45SS mugs.
I need coffee now. :)

518319

lars strom
04-29-2023, 10:25 AM
#74 Ken Stevenson in the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983.
Yes, its a Hodges with a wing in the front.
Thanks

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518321&d=1682781897

lars strom
04-29-2023, 12:12 PM
The pit for the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983.
Well..not sure about this pit location..I think the Paris 6 Hour pit next to the Eifel Tower - France (https://www.facebook.com/Eifel-Tower-France-195076570515436/?__cft__[0]=AZUyAno8-HZ_-8OltM0hhKXfvN3vo3vNtGrBMnrQptbSgXUitxNVrndgxt6WrxFEJCqDDkSSeXsdKaMfXZ2Yssu4gTbtIV0LfUqXZIzlj4LQz9-mRzScFCwla4YwPHkcKQAKglMD8eQWqBNUBvG3RoZy&__tn__=kK-R) is more of my liking..!!https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t27/1.5/16/1f600.png
I think boat #97 is Tom Posey and #47 is Ken Stevenson.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518325&d=1682788305

Bob V
04-29-2023, 07:18 PM
This is very cool.. this picture shows the 6 different variations of 45SS mugs.
I need coffee now. :)

518319

Lasse....Have a cup of mine....:thumbsup:
518336

lars strom
04-29-2023, 07:38 PM
Bob V...Wow..pretty cool. I think I need a cup of coffee right now..:)

//

More pit pictures from the the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983.
You more you look..the more you see..!!
Thanks to my OMC friend.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518337&d=1682815096

lars strom
04-30-2023, 10:47 AM
Wow..my old friend Jonas Andersson of Frövik, Sweden won the UIM F1 race in China early this morning.
No one could come close..Jonas took the start and lead all the way the the checkered flag..close to 20 seconds ahead of the competition..
Jonas runs his own small team with a very tight budget, build his engines in his shop back in Frövik. Drives the old red boat he modified over the years to his liking.
Beating all the mega dollar middle eastern UIM F1 teams makes me smile.
His wife Jane is the team manager next to him on the podium.
Congratulations.
PS..Jonas is also the oldest driver in the field..turning 50 next year..:cheers:

https://www.speedonthewater.com/andersson-cruises-to-start-to-finish-victory-during-second-round-f1h2o-race-in-china/

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518352&d=1682869431

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518351&d=1682869265

lars strom
04-30-2023, 01:00 PM
More pit pictures from the the Sacramento F1-V8 race 1983.
#97 Tom Posey's Lee Craft/Abiline Marine sponsor/Johnson V8 power.
You more you look..the more you see..!!
Thanks to my OMC friend.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518353&d=1682877597

lars strom
04-30-2023, 06:48 PM
Wow..not every day at the races did you see Renato Molinari without a shirt..I am sure many Italian girls would have line up to hang out with Renato in the pit in Sacramento 1983..:):)
Its OMC's Mouse working on the Evinrude V8.

Thanks again my friend for this unique picture

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518360&d=1682898482

lars strom
05-01-2023, 10:59 AM
More pictures and info from Sacramento, California 1983 is coming..

//

Switching to the F1-V8 race in Minneapolis, Minnesota now.
This race was my first race in the USA.
Here is a poster for the race and you can also see the date. The second picture is one of the starts..

Thanks to Mike Cushing.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518392&d=1682956654

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518393&d=1682956654

lars strom
05-01-2023, 05:34 PM
Check this out..my memory from the F1-V8 race in Minneapolis 1983 is absolutely correct..
Look at all the spectators on the Mississippi banks..!! There was so many local people coming up to my #8 Burgess/ASPEN boat in the pit with the Swedish flag talking to me about their Swedish heritage.
The sad part..so far I have not found any pictures of my #8 Burgess/ASPEN boat in the Minneapolis race 1983..

Thanks for sending me pictures Mike Cushing.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518410&d=1682980416

WaterZebra
05-02-2023, 10:36 AM
Wow..not every day at the races did you see Renato Molinari without a shirt..I am sure many Italian girls would have line up to hang out with Renato in the pit in Sacramento 1983..:):)
Its OMC's Mouse working on the Evinrude V8.

Thanks again my friend for this unique picture

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518360&d=1682898482

There's a reason why Renato went "topless" in the pits and it had nothing to do with girls. Hotter than heck there in July. Would have been better to hold this race in May? Can't imagine what this river is doing right now in the present time. California is prepping for nearly 100 inches of water to come down from snow melt.

lars strom
05-03-2023, 06:10 PM
Check this out..my memory from the F1-V8 race in Minneapolis 1983 is absolutely correct..
Look at all the spectators on the Mississippi banks..!! There was so many local people coming up to my #8 Burgess/ASPEN boat in the pit with the Swedish flag talking to me about their Swedish heritage.
The sad part..so far I have not found any pictures of my #8 Burgess/ASPEN boat in the Minneapolis race 1983..

Thanks for sending me pictures Mike Cushing.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518410&d=1682980416

After lots of searching I finally found this picture.. Renato is in the lead and I am on the other side of the river in the #8 Burgess-ASPEN boat.

Thanks to Mike Cushing.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518488&d=1683155321

BLisBack!
05-04-2023, 11:53 AM
Are you sure that is Minneapolis and not Pittsburgh? Very sure?

-BL

lars strom
05-04-2023, 02:42 PM
Are you sure that is Minneapolis and not Pittsburgh? Very sure?

-BL

Email answer from Mike Cushing about his pictures above..!!


"I took all of those pics from the banks of the Mississippi in downtown Minneapolis. The ones from the bridge were taken from the Broadway Avenue Bridge.
I have never been to Pittsburgh, so I am 100% positive that they are MPLS"

lars strom
05-04-2023, 03:20 PM
More pictures and info from Sacramento, California 1983 is coming..

//

Switching to the F1-V8 race in Minneapolis, Minnesota now.
This race was my first race in the USA.
Here is a poster for the race and you can also see the date. The second picture is one of the starts..

Thanks to Mike Cushing.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518392&d=1682956654

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518393&d=1682956654
@BLisBack! (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=73471)

Maybe the poster picture used for promotion of the 1983 Minneapolis F1-V8 race confused you..That picture of #9 Roger Jenkins is from Pittsburgh 1982.
In Minneapolis 1983 Roger used the Carlberg logo only but crashed out BAD in the beginning of the Minneapolis race.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518530&d=1682464639


Roger Jenkins in his #9 Burgess/Carlsberg/Evinrude V8 "takes off" in Minneapolis GP 1983. (Red X mark)
I was just behind in my #8 Burgess/Aspen / Evinrude V8 and missed Roger with a few feet. (Blue X mark)

lars strom
05-04-2023, 03:25 PM
F1-V8 Roger Jenkins flying high in Minneapolis 1983.

https://svera.se/blogg/f1-v8-roger-jenkins-flying-high-in-minneapolis-1983/




https://www.facebook.com/1020429044/videos/161120596910068/

The link above is the my FB page and a very short video of the brutal flip.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518531&d=1683232614

lars strom
05-04-2023, 05:32 PM
OMC F1-V8 racing in Minneapolis 1985..Look at all the spectators.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518532&d=1650319794

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518533&d=1683239651

lars strom
05-04-2023, 06:22 PM
OMC F1-V8 racing in Minneapolis 1984.

First picture is #1 Cees Van Der Velden in his 1984 Velden boat. (in my opinion way better looking)
#97 Tom Posey is driving the 1983 style Velden boat.

Plenty of spectators in Minneapolis 1984. Check the two bridges
(second picture)

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518535&d=1683242403

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518536&d=1647369831

lars strom
05-04-2023, 06:54 PM
A few more racers in Minneapolis GP 1984..

#9 Roger Jenkins, #45 Bob Hering, #1 Cees and #7 Mr. Bill.

(Next post is the overall winner and result of the Minneapolis GP 1984)

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518538&d=1683244195

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518539&d=1683244195

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518537&d=1683244195

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518540&d=1647299930

lars strom
05-04-2023, 07:58 PM
The overall winner of the 1984 Minneapolis GP 1984.

Renato in his #18 Martini/Evinrude V8

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518547&d=1683248246

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518548&d=1683248246

BLisBack!
05-05-2023, 08:53 AM
@BLisBack! (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=73471)

Maybe the poster picture used for promotion of the 1983 Minneapolis F1-V8 race confused you..That picture of #9 Roger Jenkins is from Pittsburgh 1982.


Ok I see that, but no its because I'm IN that picture! Front to the left, and the guy beside me to the left of me in the wife-beater t-shirt was a good friend at the time. Exactly! Even my wife identified me in the pic and my friend as well. But I've never been to Minneapolis! Crazy. Who knows.

-BL

lars strom
05-05-2023, 12:29 PM
More info "behind the scene" before the Minneapolis GP 1984..and you can clearly see Mercury was a trouble maker for the OMC F1-V8 series.
I guess JW Fonda 2 liter World Series and Champboat was not enough for Mercury...they could not let OMC run their own racing series.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518562&d=1647380781

lars strom
05-05-2023, 04:32 PM
MaMa CiTa’s is the perfect place for Cinco de Mayo celebrations..:cheers:

518565

lars strom
05-06-2023, 10:55 AM
#300 Bob Nordskog Offshore racing.
3 X Johnson GT 115 V4. My guess is 1967..First year for the engines.

Thanks to Erik Nordskog.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518573&d=1683388508

lars strom
05-07-2023, 09:27 AM
1967 GT 115 & X 115

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518606&d=1683469612
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518607&d=1683471248

lars strom
05-07-2023, 10:20 AM
#14 Bob Nordskog again. This is from Paris 6 Hours 1972. Powerboat Magazine's Bob is driving his Schulze/Johnson V4 Stinger GP.

Bob had a very unique driving style.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518608&d=1683472614

lars strom
05-07-2023, 10:49 AM
Jimbo McConnell is looking very happy here. My guess is he won the APBA Mod. 50 race in his #191 "Petty Blue" Molinari with Evinrude CC power. Can it be Ric McChesney holding the boat??

Thanks for the picture.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518610&d=1683474518

WaterZebra
05-07-2023, 11:23 AM
It would be my guess that Mod 50 was dominated by OMC?

lars strom
05-07-2023, 12:57 PM
Yes - @WaterZebra (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=25765)

Jimbo running his Mod-50/OE rig at a Wisconsin race, in Pro Class 1100cc.

Cathy McConnell (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/100000260840890/?__cft__[0]=AZXrFvIzPXF10YWnunZAIipr2rtazFDS1vbKVjDAyLOc90KsfQ6vMF2n-cb4-Gpl5-45GUw8nFmTzxf2BBIkKC-qZGNy0o-KrfZGrmJ-H62VaFczeqnEu84doFxIbZurAo9x3-qf5j6iCFcfuovwE5BMF7N9iw4P8yT9cb1Q6yoVUKEc0cRSWXVG29qyVbzaUo4&__tn__=R]-R)

Yes, that is Ric McChesney

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518611&d=1683482212

lars strom
05-07-2023, 01:30 PM
Tom Percival in his Hodges/Johnson F1-OZ class V8.
1982

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518612&d=1683484181

lars strom
05-07-2023, 06:07 PM
Jimbo McConnell is looking very happy here. My guess is he won the APBA Mod. 50 race in his #191 "Petty Blue" Molinari with Evinrude CC power. Can it be Ric McChesney holding the boat??

Thanks for the picture.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518610&d=1683474518

One more of Jimbo running his Mod-50/OE rig at a Wisconsin race.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518624&d=1683500834

lars strom
05-08-2023, 09:41 AM
It would be my guess that Mod 50 was dominated by OMC?


This was done with the blue Molinari in race set up.

Cathy McConnell
(https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/100000260840890/?__cft__[0]=AZXhg0OrNRK0qcNSRv6i8QpvfHfXvvMGVi3h52SaRGK_q-KL0UXyctGrDXtuQ4NwtLSbPTBsLxOzxrCvZ0gN9TYENBVEEXLGq4y09AEJHMmifdO1vE5YDORYwAns0OMwtiFIzrbT7vW-OgkraWnufLoQ2VTVcHZ76IICWtFqMxm3ByADMlT_VZJm_LWs_usDSWY&__tn__=R]-R) One way through the Kilo in Waco, Texas in 1981….. 115 mph and return at 110 mph…… Average was the Record at 112.72. https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t92/1.5/16/1f3c1.pnghttps://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t92/1.5/16/1f3c1.pnghttps://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t92/1.5/16/1f3c1.png

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518644&d=1683556827

lars strom
05-08-2023, 06:22 PM
APBA - Jimbo McConnell 1979.

Thank you.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518675&d=1683588123

lars strom
05-09-2023, 03:14 PM
Pretty cool..!!

A sales flyer for the production 105ci V4 Eagle (loop) tiller-rope engine, made by OMC in the 1990's.
This engine was based on the 105ci 115hp Eagle V4 looper, and had tiller steering/throttle and recoil rope start.
Specs in the first comment.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518722&d=1683663249

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518723&d=1683663249

lars strom
05-10-2023, 06:23 PM
I did have a great relationship with Jack Leek.
Well..not always..:)

Thanks Erik Nordskog.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518778&d=1683760894
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518779&d=1683760894

Amberjack1234
05-11-2023, 04:56 AM
AI. God bless the independent racers, the true backbone of the sport over the years.

Amberjack1234
05-11-2023, 05:07 AM
I did have a great relationship with Jack Leek.
Well..not always..:)

Thanks Erik Nordskog.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518778&d=1683760894
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518779&d=1683760894
I only raised an OMC product for one year. I have built a new boat, a pickle fork, and bought a V4 super strangler from a fellow named Mike Osborne in Winterhaven Florida. The boat was a 17 foot Almartin and it was a heavy, marathon boat built for running South Florida marathons 1500 super strangler was a hot engine, but it was at the end of the V4 era. At one race in Miami in February around boat show time I was the only OMC boat there as mercury had just come out with the T3. Jack leak came to the local rep. Burt Ross, and told me not to run my boat as it would be an embarrassment to OMC. I told Burt it was my money, my boat, my engine, my town my Marine Stadium and I was going to run my boat anyway on the Mylan 2/3 course with the 1 to 1 gear case I was as fast as the T3 mercury‘s by the end of the straightaway just didn’t have the acceleration coming out of the corners that was in practice. So the next day they shorten the course to the mile and 1/4 course and I had to run against the T3 V6 mercury‘s still manage to beat two or three each kid but couldn’t run with the factory boys shortly there after sold the V4 Johnson, even though I was still a Johnson dealer and was back in Black with a T3 from mercury it had the torque and power to push the boat. Still my money my boat, my engine, no factory they can all kiss my Paducah, I did it my way.

vintage v4
05-11-2023, 05:29 AM
Jimbo McConnell is looking very happy here. My guess is he won the APBA Mod. 50 race in his #191 "Petty Blue" Molinari with Evinrude CC power. Can it be Ric McChesney holding the boat??

Thanks for the picture.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518610&d=1683474518

This was Chippewa Falls Wi, Maybe 1978 (?), Lake Wissota after Jimbo set the 5 mile in Competition record in MOD 90 class. No other factory guys up there that day........Jimbo running as "independent".I personally wasn't happy watching factory $$$ ruin racing for the little guy.

vintage v4
05-11-2023, 05:52 AM
Yes - @WaterZebra (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=25765)

Jimbo running his Mod-50/OE rig at a Wisconsin race, in Pro Class 1100cc.

Cathy McConnell (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/100000260840890/?__cft__[0]=AZXrFvIzPXF10YWnunZAIipr2rtazFDS1vbKVjDAyLOc90KsfQ6vMF2n-cb4-Gpl5-45GUw8nFmTzxf2BBIkKC-qZGNy0o-KrfZGrmJ-H62VaFczeqnEu84doFxIbZurAo9x3-qf5j6iCFcfuovwE5BMF7N9iw4P8yT9cb1Q6yoVUKEc0cRSWXVG29qyVbzaUo4&__tn__=R]-R)

Yes, that is Ric McChesney

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518611&d=1683482212

I think the W17 boat in the foreground may be Pete Nydahl, and the other white/orange tunnel Terry Leatherby.

vintage v4
05-11-2023, 06:24 AM
Ryan Jones (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/100000754187335/?__cft__[0]=AZWe1JSrifeooVNNbuAi8T8ubGdRqzefkH-V1m1KAURYarxBQWWpg3W4CRKHjwkRCGTo4gAjLVXyjPlhVJ_AnQw_ldHm-SW7vVl-af3rFehxTiPcQq_ILy7-DPAs8GpfO-__gLP4_2CAimM94BPA3kQ_1V3waqBbMqkBx5S4UIqcBHFjSdAVuzhsoKeGEPIqiGw&__tn__=-UC*F)

FB Today

Anyone else have any (other) pictures of this boat?
Or the driver (Terry Leatherby) in any of his other boats? I think he raced a boat sponsored by Tracker Marine at one time.
Thanks in advance https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t55/1.5/16/1f44d.png

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=515753&d=1677284142

I took this picture in Clinton Iowa I think 1979. Dad raced with/against Terry Leatherby for years. He was an excellent driver. I have some other pictures of Terry I can post. Sadly he passed a few years ago.

lars strom
05-11-2023, 09:26 AM
I only raised an OMC product for one year...

I have to ask you what year did you raced the Super Strangler V4 and what race in Florida did Jack Leek told you not to race..??

lars strom
05-11-2023, 09:32 AM
This was Chippewa Falls Wi, Maybe 1978 (?), Lake Wissota after Jimbo set the 5 mile in Competition record in MOD 90 class. No other factory guys up there that day........Jimbo running as "independent".I personally wasn't happy watching factory $$$ ruin racing for the little guy.


My friend who took the pictures is telling me its from Burlington, Wisconsin.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518803&d=1683474518

lars strom
05-11-2023, 09:54 AM
I did have a great relationship with Jack Leek.
Well..not always..:)

Thanks Erik Nordskog.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518778&d=1683760894
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518779&d=1683760894


More Jack Leek and Fred Miller
This is from 1986

Thanks


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518804&d=1683816788

lars strom
05-11-2023, 10:05 AM
This is an interesting post at our FB page..for a few reasons..:)

Carlos Mendana (https://www.facebook.com/carlos.mendana?__tn__=-UC*F)

Actually got one of these pull start manual everything OG motors sitting safely in a crate….


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518808&d=1683817385

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518809&d=1683817385

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518810&d=1683817385

lars strom
05-11-2023, 10:33 AM
Johnson 45ss runabout.

Thanks again

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518812&d=1683818717

lars strom
05-11-2023, 12:11 PM
Pretty sexy looking 3 cyl. race engine..https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t27/1.5/16/1f600.png

Thanks


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518821&d=1683825067

lars strom
05-11-2023, 06:06 PM
More info about the sexy looking 3 cyl. above.

831cc FT-19s powerhead,
The exhaust housing is not a 45ss, it is a shortened production 3-cyl part (same as FT) with the exhaust outlet added.
It used the special sandcast FT-19S powerhead adapter, to be compatible with the special sandcast Mod50 FT/FR exhaust manifold.
45ss swivel and stern brackets
45ss gearcase


The intended use was for hydros and runabouts in APBA Modified FEH/850cc
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Amberjack1234
05-12-2023, 04:52 AM
I have to ask you what year did you raced the Super Strangler V4 and what race in Florida did Jack Leek told you not to race..??
It was either 73 or 74 because I only raise the the four for about a year before I went back to t3 mercury. It was in the Miami Marine Stadium and shortly after the boat show so it had to be March or late February. I had just gotten the boat built by Al Martin in Miami and purchased the engine from Mike Osborne in Winter Haven the fellow who got me the engine was Bert Ross the local Johnson rep for my dealership, who by the way, was a boat racer and a great guy. I believe he was married to a lady who was a member of the Briggs family or possibly the Evinrude family. Can’t remember everything as my memory is failing went on my head too many times .

lars strom
05-12-2023, 09:07 AM
OK @Amberjack1234 (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=249100)

I am really trying hard to figure out why Jack Leek told you so..

A quick V6 history..the first ever Merc V6 was raced in Koblenz, Germany a week or two before Paris 6 hours in the fall of 1973.
Merc did have a few factory V6 engines and so did OMC in Paris 6 hours 1973..
So it was not 1973 Jack told you so.
In 1974 only factory drivers could get the Merc & OMC V6 engines. So maybe Jack told you that 1974...but why..??
..because in the Miami race 1975 there was still plenty of racers using the Merc in line six and OMC V4 engines.
So it could not have been 1975.
The famous Miami triple flip 1975 involved no V6 engines..

Here is my story from the Miami race 1975

The triple flip at Miami Marine Stadium in August 1975 was NOT the big story.. The big story was Jimbo McConnell’s #191 Scotti-Craft with an Evinrude V6 Super Strangler “looper”

https://svera.se/blogg/the-triple-flip-at-miami-marine-stadium-in-august-1975-was-not-the-big-story-the-big-story-was-jimbo-mcconnells-191-scotti-craft-with-an-evinrude-v6-super-strangler-looper/


The triple flip in Miami 1975 below..You can see two OMC V4... Stinger GP / Super Strangler.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518848&d=1683900311

lars strom
05-12-2023, 09:21 AM
This is from the 1974 Johnson Sales brochure and OMC is promoting the Stinger GP V4 race engine.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518849&d=1683901253

lars strom
05-12-2023, 09:24 AM
More from the 1974 Johnson Sales brochure and OMC is promoting the Stinger GP V4 race engine and the Rotary.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518850&d=1683901402

Amberjack1234
05-12-2023, 03:54 PM
So I guess that would put it in 1975? Boat show in Miami was always in third week of February. I know that I had just built the boat and quit racing on Molinary with the blue stripe twister. I know in August 1975 I had already switched to the T3 and was at the stadium in a different heat from the famous triple flip. Went to EUAFAU LA a couple of weeks later and ran mid pack, because the water was flat called by then the yellow boat was highly modified from when I had run the V4 strangler on it. We had added a second step to the bottom and move the lift in the front of the pickle fork back about 18 inches by modifying the deck so you could run the boat level with the added power of the T3, but even with all the stock modifications that we did do the T3, we still could not compete with the factory boys. As an added thought and I just ramble I think when I tried to run the yellow Almartin boat in the stadium against the first T threes on the mile and 1/4 course that I had switched from the one to one gear case for the long course to the 1517 ratio that I had for short courses and that seem to give me the acceleration that I needed to come out of the corners a little better against the V6 T3‘s so you are probably right Lars. Definitely was not 73 because I was racing, a mercury blue stripe twister on a Kitson hull and then switched to the little Mollinari that peacock got for me from the boneyard up at Lake x which Al Martin had to totally rebuild the front of it and add steps to the bottom. I know that in the short time that I raced the super strangler on the yellow pickle fork the fastest boat that had another super strangler on it in the state of Florida was driven by Mike Downard out of Kissimmee Florida. I believe it was a full tunnel Scotty and I raced against him twice and never beat him . Sold all the Outboard boats in 1976 at the end of the year and got out of Outboard racing.

Amberjack1234
05-12-2023, 04:04 PM
As an afterthought on buying the super strangler from Mike Osborne in Winterhaven, it could’ve been that he just wanted to offload the engine as he was getting out of racing at the time and since I have just started my Johnson dealership in 73 as part of the Zuki Motors cycle shop that I had already sold my blue stripe twister, and the little Mollinari the super strangler was the only engine available as I could not get a V6 mercury at the time. By the way, and 73 and four, I was also the first of two Suzuki outboard dealers in Miami Dade county four-cylinder engines that look like Chrysler’s with a 115 hp being the biggest, we put it on a custom built flats boat and it ran circles around the 115 Johnson that it replaced.

WaterZebra
05-12-2023, 08:28 PM
Nope ........beg to differ with you on the "big story". This photo ran on the Associated Press outlet with every US newspaper publishing the photo on page 1 or page 2 of their daily editions on NOT on the sports page. This shot exposed every average American reader to what tunnel boat racing was.

Amberjack1234
05-12-2023, 08:35 PM
Nope ........beg to differ with you on the "big story". This photo ran on the Associated Press outlet with every US newspaper publishing the photo on page 1 or page 2 of their daily editions on NOT on the sports page. This shot exposed every average American reader to what tunnel boat racing was.
I believe the untold story was the fact that Reggie was going around the pits soaking wet and that is a wet Bantu rooster mad as hell, proclaiming that those drivers purposely got in his way and that he could’ve out run Jimbo and all the OMC boats if they hadn’t blown him over! That’s how I remember it

Bob V
05-12-2023, 08:39 PM
Charlie - You must have known Jan Whitton?

Amberjack1234
05-12-2023, 08:46 PM
Course I knew Jan Witten/nice guy, but more money than sense/dated cute women, Maryland I believe one of the McSwiggens. Came to all the Caribbean Club boat races. Had a lot of fun got killed in a plane coming out of treasure key I believe in MU2 prop jet. Clarence Davis, the pilot survived. don’t want to go onto too much more detail as it may be self incriminating lol.

Amberjack1234
05-13-2023, 01:26 AM
I believe the untold story was the fact that Reggie was going around the pits soaking wet and that is a wet Bantu rooster mad as hell, proclaiming that those drivers purposely got in his way and that he could’ve out run Jimbo and all the OMC boats if they hadn’t blown him over! That’s how I remember it
Seems like Reggie was running a Merc V6 in that flip! I could be wrong. My eyes aren’t as good as they used to be and my memory sure isn’t.

WaterZebra
05-13-2023, 08:23 AM
Seems like Reggie was running a Merc V6 in that flip! I could be wrong. My eyes aren’t as good as they used to be and my memory sure isn’t.

Inline six T2

John Schubert
05-13-2023, 08:43 AM
I believe the untold story was the fact that Reggie was going around the pits soaking wet and that is a wet Bantu rooster mad as hell, early believe sproclaiming that those drivers purposely got in his way and that he could’ve out run Jimbo and all the OMC boats if they hadn’t blown him over! That’s how I remember it
Can you honestly believe that someone would risk personal injury or serious boat damage to take out another driver? NOT!Look at the sequence of pictures you’ll see the boats were squeezed in tight. Hydros & tunnels when they get too close will blow over every time. Reggie walking around & making statements as you quoted was just his ego.

WaterZebra
05-13-2023, 09:17 AM
Can you honestly believe that someone would risk personal injury or serious boat damage to take out another driver? NOT!Look at the sequence of pictures you’ll see the boats were squeezed in tight. Hydros & tunnels when they get too close will blow over every time. Reggie walking around & making statements as you quoted was just his ego.

John - can you explain what happens to the airflow when they bunch together like that? Do hydros and tIs lift thru the tunnels increased with airflow on the topside of the hull decks radically altered? Do hydros and tunnels need their own "tube" of air in order to be stable?

Amberjack1234
05-13-2023, 09:48 AM
Can you honestly believe that someone would risk personal injury or serious boat damage to take out another driver? NOT!Look at the sequence of pictures you’ll see the boats were squeezed in tight. Hydros & tunnels when they get too close will blow over every time. Reggie walking around & making statements as you quoted was just his ego.
In all your years of racing, you never had anybody chop you in a turn move over in front of you.? Hose you down on the straightaway moving over on your lane then you weren’t driving with the rearview mirror. Reggie and those years was known for his aggressive driving, and as the sequence of pictures suggests yes, he was crowded, whether on purpose or not only the fellows in that heat know. Did Reggie try to drive through a hole? It wasn’t there you’d have to ask him. That was the national championships, and everybody drove hard! Would anybody intentionally hurt another driver? I think not I agree with you, but I know Reggie wasn’t a happy camper and why was the big story about OMC running a V-6 was it to compete with the other Mercury V sixes that were there. John, please explain the aerodynamics of a tunnel boat as I for one really never understood them and went on my head too many times trying to go faster! I know when the propeller let go of the water. The only thing that held me in my seat, sometimes was my puckering factor. Basically, we all were riding wings on the water with ever increasing horsepower in that period and I’m sure that the Molinari’s and Schultzes and twister crafts and others were aerodynamically designed by engineers not with the computer modeling that’s available today but by old fashion slide rules and principles of airplane wings. But a lot of us amateurs flew by the seat of our pants, my first airplane solo, who is it either 15 or 16 in a J 85 Cub. And no, I’m not as old as the Wright brothers I still didn’t understand how it flew best always Amberjack.

Amberjack1234
05-13-2023, 09:59 AM
Lars, you mention Koblenz in 73 I believe. I think it’s German for two rivers, coming together the Rhine and the Mosel and I was there both in 72 and 73 not at the boat races but studying Wine at the German wine institute, which offered two week courses to promote the wines of Germany. Deinhard Schmidt, SOHN and other producers put the course on both Rivers wander pretty country at that point, but they are commercial dirty waterways. The German joke was that every time they flush the toilet, the Dutch got to drink it. just a memory and an aside.

John Schubert
05-13-2023, 10:06 AM
John - can you explain what happens to the airflow when they bunch together like that? Do hydros and tIs lift thru the tunnels increased with airflow on the topside of the hull decks radically altered? Do hydros and tunnels need their own "tube" of air in order to be stable?
I’m certainly not an engineer, nor were the designers of most hydros & tunnels. Sid Uretzky, better known as just Sid, designer of Sid-Craft & Sid-Son hydros & most our teams tunnels,who was an engineer at Martin Marietta in the 40’s, explained to me a hydro & a tunnel are designed to run with the single boat aero ado e & below the decks. As soon as 2 boats get close enough side by side, the air lift doubles or more then the boat(s) were designed for, and thus the blow overs.

John Schubert
05-13-2023, 10:20 AM
In all your years of racing, you never had anybody chop you in a turn move over in front of you.? Hose you down on the straightaway moving over on your lane then you weren’t driving with the rearview mirror. Reggie and those years was known for his aggressive driving, and as the sequence of pictures suggests yes, he was crowded, whether on purpose or not only the fellows in that heat know. Did Reggie try to drive through a hole? It wasn’t there you’d have to ask him. That was the national championships, and everybody drove hard! Would anybody intentionally hurt another driver? I think not I agree with you, but I know Reggie wasn’t a happy camper and why was the big story about OMC running a V-6 was it to compete with the other Mercury V sixes that were there. John, please explain the aerodynamics of a tunnel boat as I for one really never understood them and went on my head too many times trying to go faster! I know when the propeller let go of the water. The only thing that held me in my seat, sometimes was my puckering factor. Basically, we all were riding wings on the water with ever increasing horsepower in that period and I’m sure that the Molinari’s and Schultzes and twister crafts and others were aerodynamically designed by engineers not with the computer modeling that’s available today but by old fashion slide rules and principles of airplane wings. But a lot of us amateurs flew by the seat of our pants, my first airplane solo, who is it either 15 or 16 in a J 85 Cub. And no, I’m not as old as the Wright brothers I still didn’t understand how it flew best always Amberjack.
Yup many times, but did it more than done to me in hydros. My dad always said, look over at your throttle, if you don’t see a boat, the turn is yours. Not legal to do today. I even got chopped in a tunnel at St Mary’s,OH by Earl Benz when he drove the Geecghe with an OMC. I still believe that Reggie stuck his nose in to a too small space & possibly one of the other drivers altered course, causing the blow over

John Schubert
05-13-2023, 10:27 AM
Lars, you mention Koblenz in 73 I believe. I think it’s German for two rivers, coming together the Rhine and the Mosel and I was there both in 72 and 73 not at the boat races but studying Wine at the German wine institute, which offered two week courses to promote the wines of Germany. Deinhard Schmidt, SOHN and other producers put the course on both Rivers wander pretty country at that point, but they are commercial dirty waterways. The German joke was that every time they flush the toilet, the Dutch got to drink it. just a memory and an aside.
Forgot to mention I blew over testing in NJ with our 1:1 gear case buried speedo hard at the stop at 105. Sid came the next day said he couldn’t fix the boat & explained what happened. He said that when I got up to 100 that the only thing holding me on the water was the propeller. Once it left the water, ass our tea kettle.

2us70
05-13-2023, 10:54 AM
I was standing at the railing a few feet past the start clock when the "Trippel Flip" happened. Most of the boats in the heat had timed the start pretty well so they all got there at the same time. Looking back up the course as they came down for the start you could see the boats starting to shuffle side to side from being packed together. I was thinking "this is not good". The start was into a left quartering head wind and when the pack got into the wind lift generated by the Stadium stands roof that was all it took to blow them over. The first to go was Harry Kerslake in the white Baja. That boat was designed to be run in SJ and had way too much lift to be running in U class. Harry and I also raced in SD class at the time and he told me that they were trying several things to control this. The Baja had two large flaps installed in the front of the tunnel and at the time of the accident he had them at full bow down trim. He told me it didn't help a bit.

Amberjack1234
05-13-2023, 01:53 PM
I remember the Baja’s and those flaps there were a a couple of them at the nationals that year one thing you’re right about that stadium with the southeast wind generated a real vortex when you came to the East End of it and if you weren’t ready for it in any kind of air entrapment hull it became real interesting. I was once racing against great Marine, designer, Harry Schoell, he was in a real light boat that he had just built with a 427 Chevrolet in it. I remember the boat kited up directly in front of me and Harry was thrown out. Stop my boat to get him out of the water. This was right at the start of the last lap of the race and we were both pushing hard. I had an 18 foot eliminator for the 427 Holman Moody Ford in it and Harry was a couple of notches faster. That was the old IPC funny boat class that we ran in the late 60s early 70s, these were conventional hulls.

Amberjack1234
05-13-2023, 05:14 PM
[QUOTE=Amberjack1234;3388369]I remember the Baja’s and those flaps there were a a couple of them at the nationals that year one thing you’re right about that stadium with the southeast wind generated a real vortex when you came to the East End of it and if you weren’t ready for it in any kind of air entrapment hull it became real interesting. I was once racing against great Marine, designer, Harry Schoell, he was in a real light boat that he had just built with a 427 Chevrolet in it. I remember the boat kited up directly in front of me and Harry was thrown out. Stop my boat to get him out of the water. This was right at the start of the last lap of the race and we were both pushing hard. I had an 18 foot eliminator for the

Amberjack1234
05-13-2023, 05:20 PM
Vortices been talking to some of my old pilot buddies. They looked at the picture and told me it’s the same thing that happens to airplanes when they takeoff the wing tips, generate currents and tunnels of air they were saying that these boats running so close together do the same thing so that’s what causes them to takeoff and fly. I’m sure all of you tunnel, boat, drivers and hydroplane drivers have experienced this at sometime or another with the resulting hard landing. The same boat that I was talking about in the previous posts 18 foot eliminator that boat was racing in the stadium after I had sold it to another fellow about three years later, and he was again right in front of the Marine Stadium and all of a sudden he came up out of the seat, running about 80 miles an hour like you’ve been shut off an ejection seat. The boat disappeared underwater after traveling about another 60 or 70 feet like it nosedived, and by the time he came down and hit the water. The boat was completely gone. Turns out the bottom D laminated spit him, and the seat completely out of the boat, the whole underside of the boat on the left-hand side was gone. I wish I had a picture of that.

2us70
05-13-2023, 07:58 PM
I became aware of the issue at the Miami Marine Stadium in 1966 when the 9 Hour race was stopped due to the fatal accident of Hank Bowman. I was driving my stint when this accident happened and when I completed the next lap red smoke flares were deployed from the stands. I can still recall seeing the red smoke rotating counter clockwise in front of the stands.

John Schubert
05-14-2023, 07:19 AM
I became aware of the issue at the Miami Marine Stadium in 1966 when the 9 Hour race was stopped due to the fatal accident of Hank Bowman. I was driving my stint when this accident happened and when I completed the next lap red smoke flares were deployed from the stands. I can still recall seeing the red smoke rotating counter clockwise in front of the stands.
I believe that I raced at the Stadium maybe 10 times. One time I believe New Years Day 1971 I was leading S class then pitted for fuei. Crew decided to use the stadium’s fuel tanks across the parking lot with the hoses going under ground. I was the first to stop. Yup, they weren’t purged & I got the water. Later that year at the marathon nationals I finished second overall to Gene Landham’s twin wing, first S class with Hering & his Merc behind me. The thing I recall most about the stadium after seeing several incidents in front of the stands, when you approached you had to be ready for little air in front of the stands then again be ready as you were approached the end of them for the rapid increase lift. I also remember when you passed the island, you were basically out in the ocean, water conditions got very rough. Loved racing there though.

lars strom
05-14-2023, 08:16 AM
#12 Francois Salabert Benson & Hedges Molinari/Johnson F1 V8.

518906

lars strom
05-15-2023, 05:17 AM
My OE class and F1-V8 friend/racing buddy Francois Salabert was racing the F1-V8 very successfully from 1981 to 1989 in Europe and the USA.
Boat #3 below.

1990 Salabert signed up to race the Merc 2 liter V6 series and sadly lost his life in Bristol same year.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518928&d=1514226342

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518929&d=1514228716

2us70
05-15-2023, 10:29 AM
If you were running out at the buoy line the lift kind of died in front of the stands. However if you were running in closer to the stands lift increased. I never had a problem with this early on running a flat bottom SE boat. I started feeling it when I started running the faster and lighter McCall SE tunnel and v-bottom boats.
I believe that I raced at the Stadium maybe 10 times. One time I believe New Years Day 1971 I was leading S class then pitted for fuei. Crew decided to use the stadium’s fuel tanks across the parking lot with the hoses going under ground. I was the first to stop. Yup, they weren’t purged & I got the water. Later that year at the marathon nationals I finished second overall to Gene Landham’s twin wing, first S class with Hering & his Merc behind me. The thing I recall most about the stadium after seeing several incidents in front of the stands, when you approached you had to be ready for little air in front of the stands then again be ready as you were approached the end of them for the rapid increase lift. I also remember when you passed the island, you were basically out in the ocean, water conditions got very rough. Loved racing there though.

Bob V
05-15-2023, 06:29 PM
518966

Congratulations Lasse...!!



Today you accomplished a new record. Besides having the most read thread on Scream & Fly for another year, you now have a half million more views than the nearest other thread and that thread has been on Scream & Fly for 18 months longer than yours. I know that you do not consider this a competition, but achieving this says a lot about you. Well done....!!

Have a coffee on me...:thumbsup:

518967

lars strom
05-15-2023, 06:41 PM
518966

Congratulations Lasse...!!



Today you accomplished a new record. Besides having the most read thread on Scream & Fly for another year, you now have a half million more views than the nearest other thread and that thread has been on Scream & Fly for 18 months longer than yours. I know that you do not consider this a competition, but achieving this says a lot about you. Well done....!!

Have a coffee on me...:thumbsup:

518967

Well @Bob V (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?u=5816)

Thank you very much. I have to give credit to my friends/former OMC employees and others helping me out with pictures and info..
..and most of all thank you to my lovely wife Carina letting me spend all this time living in the past..!!
:)


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518968&d=1684194007

lars strom
05-16-2023, 08:22 AM
Not sure who and when but its a Johnson GT 115 V4..could be Havasu..??

Thanks Bob White,


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518971&d=1684243326


(https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/100007046082708/?__cft__[0]=AZUfXT4JR95wEkJHESHG-9w4N9Jk9oJEGiybMndUJSqAvOAeh7Ck7xhHdQmqNplEzPE2FHHTb3j-UxPg1CFj9MfiPmTVvKpotTfMwlJyOdFk6DNpGq9My8HuGzPGHJoOpOki7F3pZUleAiDUcmbveOQJsHZEhK-Rd97zPQLb1yQrsMIJhvok2zg2e3LOngX-cU8&__tn__=%3C*F)

lars strom
05-16-2023, 08:37 AM
Ole Evinrude and Finn T. Irgens.

Jack Aylsworth

(https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/1027298938/?__cft__[0]=AZUyGse9u85nmQXLGEZuf7NwrqjW0NQJWCNrDiWX1e0_8UQr0-ddWWKnA5l5DLH3OzXFjgHX7rq9O1_1pAeYvMKK7iG8JjB54EqnvkYZ9ROyTvm7dqM0Q82hRsVu4gjwJiv9qv0DYc91miOfxoZ0sK cvUFmbSQXxGLxYDfkB6D-68AO38ja2zxJXMRlI_wHDcQw&__tn__=R*F)Photo taken after the Evinrude, Elto & Lockwood merger in 1929.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518972&d=1684244242

lars strom
05-16-2023, 10:04 AM
APBA SST 45..

#55 is Rodney Schuh from Kankakee Illinois.
#823 is Bill Begier

Thanks Troy Boettle.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518974&d=1684249396

OLEGATOR
05-16-2023, 11:37 AM
APBA SST 45..

#55 is Rodney Schuh from Kankakee Illinois.
#823 is Bill Beg
Thanks Troy Boettle.


https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518974&d=1684249396

is that torrente in the 42 boat? i thought he had that # back in the day.

lars strom
05-16-2023, 12:15 PM
OLEGATOR

Not sure but he used #42 in the SST 45 class..

https://svera.se/blogg/evinrude-and-...haun-torrente/ (https://svera.se/blogg/evinrude-and-sst-45-was-the-start-for-f1-shaun-torrente/)

Lake X Kid
05-16-2023, 05:41 PM
I believe that I raced at the Stadium maybe 10 times. One time I believe New Years Day 1971 I was leading S class then pitted for fuei. Crew decided to use the stadium’s fuel tanks across the parking lot with the hoses going under ground. I was the first to stop. Yup, they weren’t purged & I got the water. Later that year at the marathon nationals I finished second overall to Gene Landham’s twin wing, first S class with Hering & his Merc behind me.

The thing I recall most about the stadium after seeing several incidents in front of the stands, when you approached you had to be ready for little air in front of the stands then again be ready as you were approached the end of them for the rapid increase lift. I also remember when you passed the island, you were basically out in the ocean, water conditions got very rough. Loved racing there though.

Miami Marine Stadium

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Amberjack1234
05-17-2023, 03:34 AM
That’s a very sophisticated looking tunnel boat and the article says it was a Kevlarjeanneau hull. Didn’t realize that they made anything other than sail boats but again I’m not the most alert person in the world. I have stood on the Banks of the seine river never have attended any races there, but just looking at it it must’ve been one hell of a race and it’s day the six hours of Paris. I don’t think that I would have the cojones to drive on that course. Bristol is another course that must be a bear. You have to respect all the European drivers for racing on these courses all the best Amberjack.

Amberjack1234
05-17-2023, 03:39 AM
A beautiful scene in the magic city. But what a shame for boat racing I recently inquired about what it would cost to rent the stadium for a boat race. They quoted me 4500 a day for the parking lot. No mention of water course or help don’t get me wrong. The people were helpful, but I don’t believe about race of the local scale that we used to run will ever happen in the Miami Marine Stadium again. May be a mega buck millionaires race of some sort but nothing like the outboard races of the 70s and the Bacardi, Mike, Gordon GN braces that took place. What a shame Amberjack.

Amberjack1234
05-17-2023, 03:53 AM
Tragic death Hank Bowman I remember reading his columns as a boy growing up. Very good writer, avid boat racer. I think that was a couple of years after they moved the races from pelican harbor to the stadium. It may have even been the first year. I had written my bicycle from our home in Coconut Grove over to the races to watch them.

lars strom
05-17-2023, 12:03 PM
Evinrude - Johnson outboards. Facts, history, racing and OMC. (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=3440844236193919&__cft__[0]=AZWkJ1cLNBG5-b73GLnzlw5pM6-sn1B1t7Vic-91TnXUKQZ5Q307lIBZf968xKVa73Wod3vf2Ag3lBvS7eO21fom7cA-bih0XMjMFr2Kaq1BSnSQ7Wymqy6NS2BUZTDkdUWYrtrJ1f7AGDpVEERjdHFIGR6U8kn5mAYSrLZOxfMAmPqaG1FtobGK7R9dz4lX TRY&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R)

Erik Nordskog (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/1364952386/?__cft__[0]=AZWkJ1cLNBG5-b73GLnzlw5pM6-sn1B1t7Vic-91TnXUKQZ5Q307lIBZf968xKVa73Wod3vf2Ag3lBvS7eO21fom7cA-bih0XMjMFr2Kaq1BSnSQ7Wymqy6NS2BUZTDkdUWYrtrJ1f7AGDpVEERjdHFIGR6U8kn5mAYSrLZOxfMAmPqaG1FtobGK7R9dz4lX TRY&__tn__=%2CP-R)
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lars strom
05-17-2023, 05:21 PM
#201 Ken Stevenson in Beloit WI. Johnson V6 RS

Thanks Troy Boettle



https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519021&d=1684362044

lars strom
05-17-2023, 08:20 PM
Its Troy Boettle holding the boat in the water, his dad Ziggy in the hat and Jack Leek back by the Johnson V6 RS.

lars strom
05-18-2023, 09:39 AM
Renato in the early-mid eighties.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519039&d=1684420733

lars strom
05-18-2023, 11:08 AM
Matti Suomi (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/100003494910196/?__cft__[0]=AZWrzYruB-nJ6YIzgOogYgcmGKk82wTgpDsNmfvGtESf_5UcRn1yTKppzRgGKlWW3_ju8yaTZGIUzwzwkL8yWBF6jGUwejW0xGz3ksTkl2XPy-O1StoQ_rURoYIGFoqa6CakXsFRm_RTfGKdIY2Y_AK9&__tn__=-UC*F)

I confess. It was me who stole that banderoll from the railing of the bridge in Drammen, Norway OZ World Championship race 1980..

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519041&d=1684426016

lars strom
05-18-2023, 01:13 PM
Burlington, Wisconsin race early 1980's
#544 Jerry Gravesen in his APBA SE class cat.
Probably an FT-19S power-head in this picture running in another class.
Thanks.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519079&d=1684439783

lars strom
05-18-2023, 07:17 PM
Must have been an evil handling triple OMC boat.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519096&d=1684455420

Bob V
05-18-2023, 07:48 PM
Must have been an evil handling triple OMC boat.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519096&d=1684455420

Probably so, but can you image the sweet sound that it put out at WOT??? Looks like a Rayson Craft flatbottom modified for outboards.

peterse90
05-18-2023, 08:29 PM
Burlington, Wisconsin race early 1980's
#544 Jerry Gravesen in his APBA SE class cat.
Probably an FT-19S power-head in this picture running in another class.
Thanks.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519079&d=1684439783

Looks like one of the Race of Champions Seebold SE hulls.

WaterZebra
05-18-2023, 09:32 PM
Looks like one of the Race of Champions Seebold SE hulls.

Looks like the hull had forward sponson trips? Good idea for small hp hulls.

lars strom
05-19-2023, 03:53 AM
Looks like one of the Race of Champions Seebold SE hulls.


Sam LaBanco

(https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/1473340026/?__cft__[0]=AZUR5pICP0v_xmYozsR2dyveX6aZs6Lvbv8v5U_yPLwS5aUXhXDWg-9kVvIoUk2QKAT6cgtT9yN_P6pwep2bxdD8opLZ9HEHE5QyVbunaYE7QD2b3avtehtFg0o2_rU4V1ZgV-PZ7OOGCyqQDprJJXpQzm9mdLhBFeNKPmAUMBtAtdyvxNawTTQEPUSEsQSXY-0&__tn__=R]-R)If it is the boat I think it is, It was an OMC factory Mod 50 boat that I think Bob Hering drove, it was originally painted red, Hering changed the bottom, but it didn't work. My racing Partner Buzz Beaton bought it from the race group, Buzz got sick and could not race and it was sold to Gerry. It is a Molinari.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519098&d=1684439783

lars strom
05-19-2023, 09:59 AM
Lars Strom (https://www.facebook.com/lars.strom.14?__tn__=-UC*F)

Sam LaBanco (https://www.facebook.com/sam.labanco?__tn__=-]K*F)... thanks.. I guess this is the Molinari (457) Bob Hering drove in the US 1978..??

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519101&d=1684508336

lars strom
05-19-2023, 01:33 PM
From Europe a few days ago.

Jeroen Germes (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/1579371692/?__cft__[0]=AZU9RAmOZuV9hrG4ZitVPkYKPFTaM_aR0yxfx5ABIK45X6mHT3w9Dz2sc_OhQG-gLe0pxWGM7fKs2CD3I3w47c5wdUZtCoZBIrMQbv0Md9t16oC1Ash34WLL0SRDWN8O6aBlnINOaf1sdS8n6YAwPqRE2IuN6O0SqKm HtqwyprcTB9OSjG0ZI34viVP_gOBrQGc&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R)
Time to get out on the water.https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tdc/1.5/16/1f60e.png

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Lake X Kid
05-20-2023, 01:27 AM
Retired champion, Renato Molinari is holding a book about the Outboard's legacy, with his OMC powered Saffa boat on the book's cover.


519121

lars strom
05-20-2023, 10:31 AM
The Swedish Power Boat Federation did a story about my F1-V8 racing 1983..
Sorry for Swedish only..:smiletest:

519127

lars strom
05-20-2023, 11:31 AM
Sam Haraway (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/100000009442628/?__cft__[0]=AZXlHn0jJhCyywCp316jaevd768vhIperM-EW0RvzK6f8kIh2L_4ELcl76IOC9-s1AF5ZKzkquNWlxjmjnLaFKVMcvrtr4XRsZFIXZ0EbLRmbco0S5zi2BUf6hWkwGVQM5-RvZK8cF39Qgpm_1LUTYYWqDq_vukOo67MW6VJ1jIpKTz3ggf7Ct2kHNWIpEJefjOgMxvXCAveKGrCGRYPmFZ-J4Dt-o_IfB5I-LM9nhfxWA&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R)

This rig and driver won the EP Nationals at Kankakee in 1989 and 1990. It was the only rig on the racecourse that didn’t have the exhaust relief holes drilled out.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519128&d=1684600269

lars strom
05-21-2023, 09:27 AM
Cool.. Bob Spalding was a great driver and friend.❤️

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519187&d=1684679208

lars strom
05-21-2023, 10:13 AM
Fun day at the races!!!
Thanks Carl Lewis.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519192&d=1684681973

lars strom
05-21-2023, 12:50 PM
Jack Aylsworth (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/user/1027298938/?__cft__[0]=AZWJJ3Fl9vVWIxb_iIWQojRb7Ob8Logn6ia8-yUrq_hVfvYxwFxXGqGAbKb95EQ5q3FFMf6j3ZbCke_74hikFiUMcvvQXyce8qzUYWbDLfi9xVtuJgY0y90wjUJvxcDHk_HueGpAs wO3UOaQ_qaWW7Zpvj1NIfYoKVTTs9UtdjU_4otcY4TSQy-3Cp9r89S_QIk&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R)

EVINRUDE & JOHNSON ‘A’ STOCK RACERS – Back in the 1980’s, OMC built 15hp outboards with high-speed gear cases qualifying for APBA’s Class A Stock Outboard runabouts and hydroplanes. Class A boats are smaller light weight race boats built with lightweight marine plywood and mahogany, carbon fiber or fiberglass. A Stock Hydro (ASH) is where many racers transition from Junior classes to Stock Outboard. This class is very popular, so full fields make for terrific, exciting competition in the 50- to 55-MPH range. A Stock Runabout (ASR) is the natural next step for a racer graduating from Junior Runabout, or for AX Runabout drivers wanting more water time and a little more speed (around 48 MPH). Many Evinrude & Johnson Class A outboards are still racing today.
The OMC 15A is the racing version of the popular 15 HP fishing motor. It uses the same power head with a special direct drive lower unit coupled to a short mid-housing with above the water exhaust. In JSH and JSR classes, a restrictor plate is placed behind the carburetor to limit its speed to about 35 MPH for the youngsters. Very little can be done to “hop up” this motor. It is designed for the lighter driver (under 160) who wants pull and go equipment. Some blue printing is allowed to this engine.

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Great racing for not much money.