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lars strom

11-21-2018, 06:15 PM

This is another interesting entry in the Paris 6 Hour race 1970.

Tom Percival/Bob Spalding in the Johnson Stinger V4 powered #39 boat.
The #38 boat also with Johnson Stinger V4 power is Shakespeare/Michel of GB.

http://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=385670&d=1504319295

Hi tgsearay (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?11207-tgsearay)
It was the Evinrude Starflite race V4 and the Johnson Stinger, second generation was called Stinger GP. Evinrude Super Strangler.
Thanks for asking.

lars strom

11-21-2018, 08:01 PM

Yes, you can rent boats in Florida with Evinrude E-TEC power.

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lars strom

11-21-2018, 08:09 PM

Argo-cat/Johnson 235 V6 2.6 liter cross-flow 1982.

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Mark75H

11-21-2018, 10:57 PM

Yes aprox 185HP

That's why the 185 hp Merc T2X carried a handicap to race against it.

lars strom

11-22-2018, 07:59 AM

The Starflite/Stinger was not 185 HP..maybe the SuperStrangler/Stinger GP, but I dont think so.

Rotary John

11-22-2018, 08:51 AM

The Starflite/Stinger was not 185 HP..maybe the SuperStrangler/Stinger GP, but I dont think so.
I watched them being dyno'd every week.

lars strom

11-22-2018, 09:07 AM

Yes, OK the SuperStrangler/Stinger GP 185 HP but how many horses was the Starflite/Stinger.

lars strom

11-22-2018, 09:13 AM

Carina Strom (https://www.facebook.com/carina.strom.5473?__tn__=%2CdK%2AF-R&eid=ARBiahVbK_-GiuA6-WeZvsyeHJLLd4137ASYB1K045zLxkektXTaQRdfoH2I6-03k3N_4MiMWqvFSofI) at the Ralph Evinrude Test Center 250 N.Flagler Ave Stuart, Florida.
Still open for business.:)

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wtsjr66

11-22-2018, 09:28 AM

Whats the difference in the way a V bottom like the Allison in the pic handles with the small gearcase vs the larger cases?

lars strom

11-22-2018, 09:34 AM

A smaller gearcase/prop. is always better for top speed. A large production gearcase means bigger props and bigger prop. rides.

lars strom

11-22-2018, 09:49 AM

Thanks (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?127-Instigator) Instigator (https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?127-Instigator)

This was an 1987 2.7 liter that Al Stoker bored to 3.0 liter specs for me and I ported.
Ran 101 GPS @ 7500 on a 17’ Hydrostream and was a beast.

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lars strom

11-22-2018, 11:10 AM

Carina Strom (https://www.facebook.com/carina.strom.5473?__tn__=%2CdK-R-R&eid=ARB3uB5bN3Wa0xyOqGzyp5v1hF3iqxj2s9hk8G1weWK6b-B1EhLTBj5qpyG7eLY2MEdH5bER86NhZ7ou&fref=mentions) and me wish all our friends the very best Thanksgiving.
We both are extremely thankful for being part of this great country.

lars strom

11-22-2018, 06:16 PM

Evinrude to the rescue..!!

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lars strom

11-23-2018, 08:15 AM

Argo-cat Johnson V6 3 liter looper

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lars strom

11-23-2018, 07:33 PM

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lars strom

11-24-2018, 05:54 AM

G2 with nosecone

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lars strom

11-24-2018, 08:22 AM

Looking good Torque marine

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(https://www.facebook.com/torqueG2/?tn-str=k%2AF&hc_location=group_dialog)

dale robertson

11-24-2018, 08:25 AM

That's why the 185 hp Merc T2X carried a handicap to race against it.
What was the handicap ?

lars strom

11-24-2018, 12:02 PM

I am also interested to know the answer.
Not sure when the T2X came out but know the OMC race V-6 came out late 1973.

Rotary John

11-24-2018, 12:13 PM

I don't know the Merc terminology, but the first Merc V-6 raced in Paris along with the OMC V-6 in 1973.

lars strom

11-24-2018, 12:26 PM

T2X is a in-line 6.

dale robertson

11-24-2018, 12:28 PM

I don't know the Merc terminology, but the first Merc V-6 raced in Paris along with the OMC V-6 in 1973.

Merc's were probably T-3's. Who won?

lars strom

11-24-2018, 12:30 PM

(http://svera.se/blogg/facts-about-larger-racing-engines-made-by-omc-in-the-seventies-and-eighties/)https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=406417
(http://svera.se/blogg/facts-about-larger-racing-engines-made-by-omc-in-the-seventies-and-eighties/)
By Lars Strom

Starting with: (http://svera.se/blogg/facts-about-larger-racing-engines-made-by-omc-in-the-seventies-and-eighties/)Paris 6 hours 1973..OMC V6 victory over Team Mercury. (http://svera.se/blogg/facts-about-larger-racing-engines-made-by-omc-in-the-seventies-and-eighties/)

https://i1.wp.com/svera.se/blogg/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Picture-01.jpg?resize=489%2C1051

https://i2.wp.com/svera.se/blogg/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Paris-1973.jpg?resize=625%2C302

(http://svera.se/blogg/facts-about-larger-racing-engines-made-by-omc-in-the-seventies-and-eighties/)

Here is the story from Paris 1973 dale robertson

(https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?6763-dale-robertson)http://svera.se/blogg/paris-6-hours/my-first-paris-6-hours-1973-was-a-disaster/

lars strom

11-24-2018, 12:48 PM

Tracy Crocker, the man in charge of Evinrude Outboards and BRP boat factories today.
http://boatingindustry.ca/…/6712-evinrude-s-tracy-crocker-a…

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Rotary John

11-24-2018, 02:15 PM

Merc's were probably T-3's. Who won?
Johnny Sanders driving an OMC 2l V-6 on a Scotti.

peterse90

11-24-2018, 02:48 PM

I am also interested to know the answer.
Not sure when the T2X came out but know the OMC race V-6 came out late 1973.

The first TII-X in Canada was 1974, so I would guess mid 1973 in the USA.

lars strom

11-24-2018, 05:33 PM

3 X Evinrude..:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=eiI4NRnPQKc

lars strom

11-24-2018, 05:57 PM

Johnson advertising in Sweden 1967/68. Back then AGB Inc was the Johnson distributor for Sweden.

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lars strom

11-24-2018, 06:38 PM

Evinrude advertising in Sweden 1968. Back then Linco Inc was the Evinrude distributor for Sweden.

A quick translation:
Who manufactures the world's fastest outboard.?
Same guys who built this outboard.. Do not be modest.

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lars strom

11-24-2018, 09:28 PM

From the cyber world.
Picture credit unknown

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Mark75H

11-24-2018, 11:14 PM

From the cyber world.
Picture credit unknown

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I do remember seeing this before, but don't recall where either.

I wonder what Ferguson thought about Merc calling their motors Twisters?

Mark Poole ModVP

11-25-2018, 01:03 AM

Is that the same boat that he ran triple Chrysler stackers on?

Bob V

11-25-2018, 07:16 AM

Is that the same boat that he ran triple Chrysler stackers on?

My guess would be no.

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lars strom

11-25-2018, 09:09 AM

I wonder what Ferguson thought about Merc calling their motors Twisters?

Well not sure but I guess this was before Merc used the name Twister.
There is a Twister cat built in Finland also but they started after Merc called race engines Twister.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424110&d=1543154942

lars strom

11-25-2018, 09:53 AM

Captain Ryan Harrington (https://www.facebook.com/ryan.harrington.775?__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARCWU1aStPOFlCHcickEFc778DZqfzwqWlhn_nOfWAWuZtgA02fR3HP7awcugDqy1DnjOaPZHWOUdyXf&tn-str=%2AF) with MacKenzie Ruhnke-Harrington (https://www.facebook.com/mackenzie.ruhnke).

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Bob V

11-25-2018, 08:51 PM

Don't know who...where or when, but maybe someone does....

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lars strom

11-26-2018, 08:28 AM

Cormorant/Evinrude X-115

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lars strom

11-26-2018, 01:24 PM

Getingloppet Offshore Race in Sweden 1969.

James Beard is driving this cat with twin Evinrude X-115.

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2us70

11-26-2018, 01:26 PM

Jeff Titus at the Miami Marine Stadium in a ScatCraft. That was the only sit down ScatCraft I ever saw.
maybe jeff titus.

Ronster43

11-26-2018, 04:12 PM

maybe jeff titus.

Yes. Power trim on tunnels rendered the kneel-down obsolete. Bill Critchfield and Jeff built this larger sit-down version with trim. It was terrible, ran either stuck or trying to blow over. They added the steps, but it didn't help. Jeff blew it over badly in Belle Glade and Bill burned it back at the shop.

Ronster43

11-26-2018, 04:15 PM

Yes. Power trim on tunnels rendered the kneel-down obsolete. Bill Critchfield and Jeff built this larger sit-down version with trim. It was terrible, ran either stuck or trying to blow over. They added the steps, but it didn't help. Jeff blew it over badly in Belle Glade and Bill burned it back at the shop.

Definitely at the Stadium, probably '72??

lars strom

11-26-2018, 05:13 PM

Did not know this but Bill Grannis helped me out.
Viking outboards by OMC.

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lars strom

11-26-2018, 06:02 PM

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Mark Poole ModVP

11-27-2018, 03:25 AM

Evinrude 40 h.p.......$640.00 How times have changed.

lars strom

11-27-2018, 08:27 AM

Evinrude 40h.p.......$640.00 How times have changed.

Around $7,000.00 today.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424241&d=1543325201

Ronster43

11-27-2018, 09:59 AM

ron, please explain the sentence after yes.

"Yes" was confirming that it was Jeff. Then that he could no longer compete with tunnels with trim into the wind in the kneel-down. It was still faster through turns and fast enough downwind, but you can only lean so far forward!!!

msm

11-27-2018, 10:02 AM

Evinrude 40 h.p.......$640.00 How times have changed.

Not really when adjusted for inflation. https://westegg.com/inflation/

lars strom

11-27-2018, 10:31 AM

From the cyber world.
A restored Molinari/F1-V8

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AZMIDLYF

11-27-2018, 11:37 AM

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lars strom

11-27-2018, 12:29 PM

Wow..check this from Tommy Johnson a friend of mine in Sweden..

Tommy Johnson (https://www.facebook.com/tommy.johnson.94617?fref=gs&__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARAs4z5S4lnNXFb0IX2e2nhOQiRHHSRBIuk5kn0AEbEgClejiftXMw4OuBjUqIk48qE_5LWEQpZHQFJ9&tn-str=%2AF&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=group_dialog)‎Evinrude - Johnson outboards. Facts, history, racing and future. (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/?ref=gs&tn-str=%2AF&fref=gs&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=group_dialog)

Grandfather in high form.
This is real boat racing.

Falun, Sweden 1947.
The winner Thure Johnson in his #15 Ahrp/Evinrude Speeditwin
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lars strom

11-27-2018, 02:29 PM

Jørgen Jørgensen (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=831614113&__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARBHIlsXB4dZF8QqXXMUEanzyzn-dsfHlLzx3fnHUJlrnq2AS_tkIEluh3nS5p6GbG4JVapEYzC-iZNg&tn-str=%2AF&hc_location=group_dialog)

Around 1973 a 25 hp Gale was used in connection with race in one of our national classes her in Denmark (boat 200)

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lars strom

11-27-2018, 04:34 PM

Pretty cool picture — with Evinrude (https://www.facebook.com/BRPEvinrude/?viewer_id=1020429044).

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lars strom

11-27-2018, 08:29 PM

Marc Croslyn (https://www.facebook.com/marc.croslyn?fref=gs&__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARApyNFqRC0_aTmB3uu6FiHrM5q4rm7BY3-FZJFLs2fcuofJkBKZttnYMsJer1YxmAlRqqjVj-8zdx6I&tn-str=%2AF&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=group_dialog)‎Evinrude - Johnson outboards. Facts, history, racing and future. (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/?ref=gs&tn-str=%2AF&fref=gs&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=group_dialog)

My dad Mark Croslyn at the 86 USF1 Chattanooga TN 1st race with the new V8 Burgees boat orange and white 53 before it was lettered up with Orlando Wilson Racing on the side

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lars strom

11-28-2018, 08:43 AM

Cool weather and hungry fish!

Carl Jocumsen stays on the grind powered by Evinrude

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(https://www.facebook.com/BRPEvinrude/?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCATqLccYmyH2UKVkGkh5KSRcbymPizg_Uvbqhoy2PgNfvsaZy2POvWj8QiSc5xMFeTWangoS_AlmVvD-SyQbHmFxYPfCiHLAlIUAhVc2k2xKtdRkEX9bjGCB5bP5CXI96vEnxepwjvJCLR_a6HLClfLYY52ZwkpF0_qx_fBrbT0zgx5R4iyg hnfLnWvhKigsY5fuk_L-f-5t9U8-rhPgY4xFx3woPRXW8IQg1GozSppujeTFzrvQHMpBJDHo1Md6JkM-XDc4pKBe4ZUlC6DVDposRCSdWZal08brAI7XMPz4ia9J5rnws802OI05uwrp6--MQKYlmquwWpVIf-&__tn__=k%2AF&tn-str=k%2AF)

lars strom

11-28-2018, 09:17 AM

Getingloppet Offshore Race in Sweden 1969.

James Beard is driving this cat with twin Evinrude X-115.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424214

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https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424318&d=1543414618

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11-28-2018, 02:42 PM

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11-28-2018, 02:43 PM

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lars strom

11-28-2018, 04:11 PM

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https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424318&d=1543414618

The Volare ll in Öregrund, Sweden 1969
Picture by Dan Bergkvist

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424341&d=1543439432
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lars strom

11-28-2018, 04:28 PM

DanUmbarger

11-28-2018, 04:41 PM

Lars...this is a pic of old UI boat from the early 70's...it's a Hustler 15' tunnel we built. Heres another pic of the same boat different angle on the Chicago River early 70's.

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Evinrude X-115 not sure what make of boat.

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lars strom

11-28-2018, 05:06 PM

WOW..thank you DanUmbarger

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424350&d=1482081661
(https://www.screamandfly.com/member.php?118667-DanUmbarger)

lars strom

11-29-2018, 08:41 AM

James Beard & Clive Curtis in the Volare ll powered by 2 X Evinrude X-115.
The year was 1969.

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(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10215828940329356&set=pcb.2209484119329943&type=3&ifg=1&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARAAXrDY0KrhdZVPWOs6xr4FPtZQAIK-T2LsRdfgJQapXBvgvnVrXCT1Ec39lq23LT5I6Z3vzTgPf5Qc)

...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424443&d=1543498770
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https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424445&d=1543498983

lars strom

11-29-2018, 11:02 AM

More Volare ll / 2 X Evinrude X-115.
James Beard & Clive Curtis
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lars strom

11-29-2018, 04:05 PM

Volare ll / 2 X Evinrude X-115.

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lars strom

11-29-2018, 08:24 PM

Lars Strom (https://www.facebook.com/lars.strom.14?__tn__=lC-R&eid=ARA3IeZ0p-DQr5GkzZF6vy84gJhrUuUwxYbKhTjYV5hcIlrEAfsIlDOA1uxHyx5pGl3VX-P84aTEC31J&hc_ref=ARQamKmX4UYVym3urwMhhubsmEWvDFk1r0_VPbPva24HSHVjLJuPRXOVEfmslveZGYw&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCn4nkiRwP1KtHCLTxguR0AY21jWaHLljm3MwTKIUrvAWGgvh4NTBesLIPntLSnKWuCizUd9kAwcFs6jb BOwYnC8iBBi2-LN6wvQmTeCXSK5RmlHILa5jczW-oL3hwYMOHopFJ5pn7hK4HkxyXDDBA72HBciEe17mLjg4VKiSZqDa704GAfKvgfgHx6gzl_cwMyBdKH0AzjFwrURCQTvei3mHkTya W7leUcxUv80fsQINsmnVkg5pLvqG26sd1PB3JvdmtC_5XFiOQZ4C_i8deYY-Mzpn0) is at Freedom Boat Club of Ft. Pierce (https://www.facebook.com/FreedomFortPierce/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARDJjg6Q_pyid6qxJ39mWqle4RC-RfldRqSl6inDdwXDjjGq7THFX4GvwPgiqVodYzbA1GwquslEYa-4&hc_ref=ARQamKmX4UYVym3urwMhhubsmEWvDFk1r0_VPbPva24HSHVjLJuPRXOVEfmslveZGYw&fref=tag&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCn4nkiRwP1KtHCLTxguR0AY21jWaHLljm3MwTKIUrvAWGgvh4NTBesLIPntLSnKWuCizUd9kAwcFs6jb BOwYnC8iBBi2-LN6wvQmTeCXSK5RmlHILa5jczW-oL3hwYMOHopFJ5pn7hK4HkxyXDDBA72HBciEe17mLjg4VKiSZqDa704GAfKvgfgHx6gzl_cwMyBdKH0AzjFwrURCQTvei3mHkTya W7leUcxUv80fsQINsmnVkg5pLvqG26sd1PB3JvdmtC_5XFiOQZ4C_i8deYY-Mzpn0).

Time to go boating with my new friends Freedom Boat Club.
Perfect location at the City Marina.
Plenty of boats, Pontoon’s, Center Consoles, Deck-boats etc.
https://freedomftpierce.com/?fbclid=IwAR30xtZdWjzZsJvXUK5kFUHV2VZrq_OTtI2TXDOoIChYJAqJg0y3pntVnDE

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powerabout

11-29-2018, 08:34 PM

any Etecs in the fleet?

lars strom

11-29-2018, 08:39 PM

Not at this location. Most places are Yamaha and some Suzuki's.

AZMIDLYF

11-30-2018, 12:02 AM

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Bob V

11-30-2018, 09:23 AM

Evinrude V8 - 300 XP powered car....:thumbsup:

https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/two-stroke-marine-v8-powered-volvo-amazon-video (https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/two-stroke-marine-v8-powered-volvo-amazon-video)

lars strom

11-30-2018, 10:15 AM

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Thanks, I think this is the same boat.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424553&d=1543590923

AZMIDLYF

11-30-2018, 02:39 PM

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lars strom

11-30-2018, 04:49 PM

Birds eye view of fresh sushi meat and triple Evinrude (https://www.facebook.com/BRPEvinrude/?viewer_id=1020429044) E-TEC G2 motors. Powerful eye candy!

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lars strom

12-01-2018, 11:08 AM

# 15 Allan Nimmo Molinari/Castrol/Johnson F1-V8.
Picture by Barry Trindall‎

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lars strom

12-01-2018, 01:26 PM

UIM OE class racing 1975.
I found this german article from the European championship race in Brodenbach.
WOW..memories are flying..In May we raced the World title in Aix-les-Bain, France and Roger Jenkins won (defended his 1974 title) in his #1 Burgess/Johnson.
(See smaller article)..we both used a very powerful OMC race engine but my Burgess was 4 inch shallow in the tunnel instead of Jenkins 6 inch. Paul Kalb ordered my Burgess this way. Very fast but impossible the race. ( I crashed bad at the OMC in early May and the boat was repaired for Brodenbach.
Rain and strong wind/waves ruin our weekend in Brodenbach.
Both Roger and me broke down. I now see I ended up 10th.
Hans-Georg Krage did a great race and won in is hydro.
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lars strom

12-01-2018, 02:21 PM

I cant find a good color picture of the 6 inch shallow tunnel Roger raced 1975 (above), but the paint scheme looked similar to this 1974 OE class boat.
If I remember right it was a Milesmaster built by David Burgess. My 4 inch tunnel was one of the first Burgess boats built by David.

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peterse90

12-01-2018, 02:41 PM

lars strom

12-01-2018, 03:03 PM

Lars, in 1974 and 1975 was European OE the same as North American SE (stock gearcase with F/N/R) or was OE the same as North American MOD 50 (racing gearcase Forward only)?
The engine on Roger's boats look like stock 15" mid short shafts. I know the Merc 650XS was an SE engine and the Merc 650X was our North American MOD 50.

The UIM OE class was a pure racing class. No limitations at all. Free boat and engine. Max 850 cc. Even the fuel was free.
OMC did not have a real OE race engine for the 1974 season. We used the SE class engines in the OE class that year. Roger Jenkins got the first real OMC OE class race motor for the Paris 6 hour race 1974.
1975 OMC made a few more real pure race engines for the UIM OE class Roger & I raced.
1976 was the first year OMC started to sell the CC for the OE class.
This is Hans-Georg Krage in a UIM OE class boat 1974/75
Yes he used nitro in the methanol also. It was legal at that time.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424647&d=1543694522

lars strom

12-01-2018, 03:18 PM

lars strom

12-01-2018, 03:53 PM

Pretty sure this is one of the two OMC real UIM OE class race engines in Europe 1975.
Jenkins raced one and I the other one. We could only use them at a few races.
This picture is from Cardiff 1975 and its not a production mid section. This mid section used a racing gearcase without shifting.

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lars strom

12-01-2018, 05:15 PM

R.I.P. Mr. President.

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Our Flag at half-staff today.

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lars strom

12-02-2018, 08:20 AM

Craig Truslove (https://www.facebook.com/craig.truslove.5?fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARC6BfyLz9oc-uyYIm5kRXBqLhk90wN07QA1ftD0e1j6jjgtMOwlHDgKG-jnHr_q9yW3AjFzUJWqoJZa&hc_ref=ARQzPoiQx4424jkVqz7aNiWvskoF7YOVKStCVpenao3JPksKkiZonkqfOCGoFXdWO8s&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=group)Santa arriving in Queensland, Australia

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lars strom

12-02-2018, 10:34 AM

James Perles (https://www.facebook.com/james.perles?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARAR-mK-qHexM0c7IRbINcGVIPOVxucscZjlkhvqoM8-lpCxAiysH-DUVg1NTxISFlL9dFbkX1i8Szt-&hc_ref=ARQLVdbzq-KDsSMlSdZMWj0imsAcKgZSkWN29omaNzE8r4QfjuGJ0kOH-tCbrHP0ZFU&fref=nf).. Nose cone complete ready for a test!!

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424648

Time to hit the water.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424716&d=1543764791

lars strom

12-02-2018, 11:12 AM

The many times Offshore World Champion Michael Frode started outboard offshore racing with Evinrude power 1977.

Micke Frode’s first overall victory in Roslagsloppet was 1977 ..Beautiful pictures of Frodécat / Adidas / Evinrude 200 hp V6 rig that Mike skillfully steered to his first overall victory in Roslagsloppet ..
More pictures here:
http://svera.se/blogg/offshore/micke-frodes-forsta-totalseger-i-roslagsloppet-var-1977/ (http://svera.se/blogg/offshore/micke-frodes-forsta-totalseger-i-roslagsloppet-var-1977/)

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lars strom

12-02-2018, 03:10 PM

More Volare ll / 2 X Evinrude X-115.
James Beard & Clive Curtis

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424458

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424459

The Volare ll takes the checkered flag in the Getingloppet Offshore Race. Sweden 1969

Thanks Mikael De Bourg Wetterlund (https://www.facebook.com/mikael.debourgwetterlund?fref=gs&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=ufi).https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424730&d=1543781376

lars strom

12-02-2018, 07:27 PM

More Cougar/Volare ll / Evinrude X-115. I think this boat is beautiful.:cheers:

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FUJIMO

12-02-2018, 09:36 PM

...same race team... http://www.classicoffshore.com/images/history/clivecurtis/volare_grahamstevens_c_lrg.jpg

lars strom

12-02-2018, 10:13 PM

http://svera.se/blogg/the-volare-ll-powered-by-2-x-evinrude-x-115/

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lars strom

12-03-2018, 08:36 AM

James Beard in victory lane 1968. This time with twin Johnson GT-115.

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lars strom

12-03-2018, 08:49 AM

Evinrude V8 OceanPro 250 HP 4 liter looper.
25 inch shaft.

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lars strom

12-03-2018, 01:13 PM

My brother Lennart Strom in the #21 Burgess/Mecman/Evinrude CC 1985. He won the F3 World title same year.
Picture by Barry Trindall (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100014868826605&fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARAsZG78pawSOdnp4K_RxAfw6Zc8kUSvWOyOKwn1c35UshRpYCDlhkIrJnimWcgI2wZ3wVgDKv6gyZvh&hc_ref=ARTZBBOsASo8OpzIKd7ZxOaCActX9hWMVYxZgbacojgl1OAIwJo8GkIJAMvsaImDSK8&dti=1090435614316321&hc_location=group)

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lars strom

12-03-2018, 06:10 PM

F1-V8 racing 1985. My guess is London GP.
#19 Kicco Vidoli & #57 Ben Robertson.
Picture by Barry Trindall (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100014868826605&fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARAsZG78pawSOdnp4K_RxAfw6Zc8kUSvWOyOKwn1c35UshRpYCDlhkIrJnimWcgI2wZ3wVgDKv6gyZvh&hc_ref=ARTZBBOsASo8OpzIKd7ZxOaCActX9hWMVYxZgbacojgl1OAIwJo8GkIJAMvsaImDSK8&dti=1090435614316321&hc_location=group)

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lars strom

12-04-2018, 02:53 AM

The Volare ll takes the checkered flag in the Getingloppet Offshore Race. Sweden 1969

Thanks Mikael De Bourg Wetterlund (https://www.facebook.com/mikael.debourgwetterlund?fref=gs&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=ufi).https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424730&d=1543781376

Second place for Volare ll in Sweden 1969.
Don Aronow also raced but did not finish.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424833&d=1543909878

lars strom

12-04-2018, 08:20 AM

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lars strom

12-04-2018, 05:41 PM

Powerboat Magazine November/December 1985

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lars strom

12-04-2018, 08:19 PM

Johnson V4 140 HP 1977. Not sure about the boat.
Thanks Scott McClain

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(https://www.facebook.com/LIQUIDSHREDDER?__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARAkbaE09ayKbsi91TTEGrdvo0UifUyMlzc0Zy9O3H5eAfX3J_Wsjfgw0ge6zal2OJJEkDjgQ3Od1kzU&tn-str=%2AF)

lars strom

12-05-2018, 07:38 AM

More of the Wild GeeChee.

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lars strom

12-05-2018, 01:40 PM

Donzi building first-ever catamaran

(https://www.tradeonlytoday.com/dealers/donzi-building-first-ever-catamaran?fbclid=IwAR01kqK1Dt-XjMfAOpbrLHw64t8NEgOSpF4GvwzFWE7mlVh8jMQkh2IGLNw)https://www.facebook.com/1020429044/posts/10215886923138890/
(https://www.tradeonlytoday.com/dealers/donzi-building-first-ever-catamaran?fbclid=IwAR01kqK1Dt-XjMfAOpbrLHw64t8NEgOSpF4GvwzFWE7mlVh8jMQkh2IGLNw)
https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424913&d=1544035172

https://www.tradeonlytoday.com/dealers/donzi-building-first-ever-catamaran?fbclid=IwAR3oLo-rs-UkI6g8dlR0KPQQA7KJ9163Vzj0mn0mcBzxHy3S0P_xIqIymPg

Mark Poole ModVP

12-05-2018, 02:11 PM

That is the Wild Geechee. I took those pics on Johns Island, this must have been around 2011. The boat was restored by the original builders nephew and still keeps it on Johns Island. Sadly, the Wild Geechee II was stored on display under a pavilion at Rocks Pond when one of the hurricanes destroyed it.

Last time I saw it race was around 1975 with a Super Strangler on it. Amazing little boat as it would rock back on its tail and just run away from the competition. It would corner like it was on tracks.

FMP

12-05-2018, 02:15 PM

Cool boat! What prop is that?

lars strom

12-05-2018, 02:16 PM

One more I found in the cyber world. This one with an Evinrude Super Strangler V4.

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lars strom

12-05-2018, 05:25 PM

Paris 6 Hours 1971
Story & Photos by C.D. STRANG.

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lars strom

12-05-2018, 08:13 PM

Paris 6 Hours 1971
Story & Photos by C.D. STRANG.

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lars strom

12-05-2018, 08:36 PM

Paris 6 Hours 1971
Story & Photos by C.D. STRANG.

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lars strom

12-06-2018, 07:22 AM

Paris 6 Hours 1971
Story & Photos by C.D. STRANG.

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lars strom

12-06-2018, 07:46 AM

Paris 6 Hours 1971
Story & Photos by C.D. STRANG.

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lars strom

12-06-2018, 09:21 AM

Maybe a Milesmaster or early Burgess with Evinrude Starflite SS V4.

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lars strom

12-06-2018, 09:48 AM

Lars Strom (https://www.facebook.com/lars.strom.14?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARCFHjuKu6AFzAsKlMkKYpYMs_Q7ZZqRwRVOQnRJH-ww7RuTwPdIkT1UyAs5dayIDjY1QPeyYSYbpANY&hc_ref=ARRStpq15TxebsV9XeMdWhzh8RQg2xOLgE_P8R3faojZGcv2IGjl0deYqLWiJvPW9u8&fref=nf)‎ to Evinrude - Johnson outboards. Facts, history, racing and future. (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2043017495976607/?ref=nf_target&fref=nf)

This is awesome..
Cathy McConnell (https://www.facebook.com/cathy.mcconnell.5?__tn__=%2CdK-R-R&eid=ARDOIpZq1mJsNSBmfygP78e6Ybt37yB0w64y0tJvjGli1duvayRYiX25gkG_GJRfQhYQ1I1oiju8sarj&fref=mentions), yes Jimbo's wife wrote this yesterday. Must have a special thread for this.
Thank you so much Cathy.

OMC had a Wood Miles Master that they used for testing for the SE motor. After they finished testing I drove the boat for a few Midwest races. It was white to start with and I had flowers put on it. I blew it over at Litchfield, Illinois. After the repair it was painted blue and white with flowers. It was named the Sugar Shaker. We went for a record in Kaukauna, Wisconsin in June, 1975. I hit a rock bar in SE and blew the gear case. Then I stepped up to SG and set the record but was DQ because the rear porches were not measured correctly. The boat was 2 inches too short on the running surface. Jimbo set the UJ record that day at 103.332. We were both trying to set records for Evinrude that year. My boat may be the one you are talking about since it was the only Wood Miles Master that OMC Engineering had in the States as far as we know.

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lars strom

12-06-2018, 10:12 AM

I dont have any more info. Got the info above from Conn Saloumidis (https://www.facebook.com/conn.saloumidis?fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdK-R-R-R-R&eid=ARDzWHLNlSJDZdXhes8s_dlPgxKaEOHo2Ludir2T2IOnzgiWkY7WFE-KnCmteZIlljDQmEc5C6fX0WRC&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=group).
Two speed Evinrude V6.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=421571

Here is a short video when the Evinrude V6 is changing gear/speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu8E4Qe4W1Y

lars strom

12-06-2018, 10:13 AM

2-speed computer controlled Semiautomatic/automatic electric shift for Evinrude V6.

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WaterZebra

12-06-2018, 10:56 AM

Maybe a Milesmaster or early Burgess with Evinrude Starflite SS V4.

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It is a full deck Scotti that was redone with pickle forks. The driver is the late Dick Sharp from Seattle WA. Dick Sharp also ran a Glastron Molinari with V4 Strangler power.

lars strom

12-06-2018, 10:59 AM

Thanks, I could have never guessed that..The area around the driver reminds me of early Burgess.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424971

FMP

12-06-2018, 11:00 AM

Shiftable. Interesting, any attempts with new G2 ?

lars strom

12-06-2018, 11:02 AM

Shiftable. Interesting, any attempts with new G2 ?

Well, dont know. This was done a few years ago.

FMP

12-06-2018, 11:04 AM

Would complement the variable exhaust signal timing.

WaterZebra

12-06-2018, 11:06 AM

Maybe a Milesmaster or early Burgess with Evinrude Starflite SS V4.

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This may be a photo taken at the one-and-only Seattle Seafair 225. It was held only once (if I remember right?). The spectator crowd didn't really understand OPC marathon racing having been acclimated to unlimited heat racing. I think Bob Hering won this race with Mercury power?

lars strom

12-06-2018, 11:23 AM

2019 Evinrude G2 in red.

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lars strom

12-06-2018, 02:18 PM

Fun party at Big Thunder Marine tonight.
Look who I spend the evening with..:)
(May 31 2018)

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=408996

Carina got to met the King of Fountain powerboats.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=408997&d=1527821464

I read Jackie is upset with me again..!!..:)
This time because I linked my FB post about the new Donzi 44 Cat to this page.
FYI, I am a good friend of Joe Curran, the man in charge for Donzi/Fountain and much more at Iconic Marine. The sales headquarter Big Thunder Marine is next to us at Lake of the Ozarks.
I was just helping out to promote the new cat.
“Having an outboard cat that will run well into the 100s, it should be pretty damn good,” Iconic Marine COO Joe Curran told Trade Only Today.
A picture of me and Joe Curran at Big Thunder Marine during the grand opening of the new $3 million sales/showroom in May 31 2018.

https://www.facebook.com/1020429044/posts/10215886923138890/

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=424995&d=1544123660

PS..This thread is about everything around Evinrude Outboards /OMC-BRP. History, future, news and racing.
Big Thunder Marine is an Evinrude dealer and sell Evinrude pontoon boats.

Thanks to everybody for clicking in here. Much more in the pipeline.

lars strom

12-06-2018, 02:43 PM

This is from the Evinrude FaceBook page about my wife Carina.
4 years ago today.

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lars strom

12-06-2018, 06:14 PM

Lennart & Lars Strom's Evinrude power wins is adding up pretty nice from 1971 to 1990. Here is a list of the bigger ones.

6 times F3 World Champs
4 times European Champs
3 Paris 6 hour wins
1 Rouen 24 hour win.
1 Amsterdam 3 hour win
1 PB 200 South Africa win
4 times Roslagsloppet Offshore race wins
1 Stockholm GP win
2 times Duvnasviken 2 hour wins
Many times Swedish & Scandinavian Champs.
A few world records and much more.
Thanks Jørgen Jørgensen (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=831614113&fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdK-R-R&eid=ARAm7Cfy5oQY1w9PB2D0DTjabAEWGvCfumgtZddX5dQPN2wr-sub4CuIE7T8rDm-vxQ1HYO8B3xrroPV&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=group) for the picture.

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lars strom

12-07-2018, 08:07 AM

Pretty incredible afternoon in Abu Dhabi today.
UIM F1 Qualifying and three Swedes in the top five.
Erik Stark on top. (second picture)
PS: No "Union Jack" Jackie..!!..:)

(Shaun Torrente did not get the speed he normally have)

Stark Beats Marit to Abu Dhabi Pole by .37 seconds

https://www.powerboatracingworld.com/stark-beats-marit-to-abu-dhabi-pole-by-37-seconds/?fbclid=IwAR07r9u764iH4ab5Hx-nHtZky4S1ZlgrON7d6sIxBa_rEIdgAmotD2Mo5n4

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lars strom

12-07-2018, 12:13 PM

I have been out in the new Donzi GT at Lake of the Ozarks. Very nice ride.

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lars strom

12-07-2018, 12:22 PM

Team Molinari/Nordica/Evinrude 1985.
You can see Art Kennedy in front of his #44 Molinari.
The #19 is Kicco Vidoli.
Thanks Barry Trindall

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(https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100014868826605&fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdK-R-R&eid=ARBSJ2WVnVO06Qk-qmA10eEh6DraUxWv9GkXQSd3dOi_wjq0iD8-YJxWOkJDmPH7H4yPJJf8uNQCmBGI&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=group)

lars strom

12-07-2018, 02:25 PM

Mountain Dew/Evinrude G2

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lars strom

12-07-2018, 08:57 PM

HeeHee, yes its me. Pretty funny picture.:)

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lars strom

12-08-2018, 08:42 AM

2 x Evinrude G2, lets go boating
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WaterZebra

12-08-2018, 03:20 PM

HeeHee, yes its me. Pretty funny picture.:)

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I see "MADEFI.com" logo in the background. Are they still in business?

AZMIDLYF

12-08-2018, 03:48 PM

I see "MADEFI.com" logo in the background. Are they still in business?

Different person now, but the new company is very much in business.

https://madefi.com/

lars strom

12-08-2018, 05:17 PM

Fun Harley day today.

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WaterZebra

12-08-2018, 05:46 PM

Different person now, but the new company is very much in business.

https://madefi.com/

I thought they had given up on mid-sections but there's one offered (and at a dirt-cheap price too). I wish they were still making the large EFI front ends and reed cages. Looks like most of their stuff is for Mercs now.

AZMIDLYF

12-08-2018, 07:45 PM

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AZMIDLYF

12-08-2018, 07:45 PM

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AZMIDLYF

12-08-2018, 07:46 PM

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lars strom

12-09-2018, 10:19 AM

More from Evinrude "down under"

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lars strom

12-09-2018, 12:25 PM

Phantom 27 Evinrude V6 cross-flow X 2
Thanks Per Simonson.

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lars strom

12-09-2018, 06:27 PM

Selfie Evinrude style..:)

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lars strom

12-09-2018, 09:01 PM

I have been out in the new Donzi GT at Lake of the Ozarks. Very nice ride.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425043

The new Donzi GT.
Picture by Lars

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425257&d=1544407280

lars strom

12-10-2018, 07:52 AM

New SeaVee 340Z with 3 X Evinrude G2

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lars strom

12-10-2018, 08:41 AM

Well...excluding us living in south Florida..:)

"The cold days are here and ending open water seasons for many! Winterize your motor with the touch of a button and have it ready to go for 2019"

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FUJIMO

12-10-2018, 09:39 AM

FUJIMO

12-10-2018, 09:43 AM

Palm Beach Outlets or The Gardens mall? lol ...Nice weather we are having for sure...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425135&d=1544307448

lars strom

12-10-2018, 10:00 AM

Palm Beach Outlets or The Gardens mall? lol ...Nice weather we are having for sure...

Thanks, yes a perfect bike ride Saturday. Well, its Fort Pierce City Marina. Freedom Boat Club invited me to a party.
Been a member for a few month now without using a boat yet.
They asked me why I dont go boating..??.. instead of riding my Harley..Did not have a good answer.:)

https://freedomftpierce.com/?fbclid=IwAR1m7zbaCf6sFg1iJJ-YOZREaP790TxY9KMjJPYeQ9PgkxMDhxSo0qM3nqw (https://freedomftpierce.com/?fbclid=IwAR1m7zbaCf6sFg1iJJ-YOZREaP790TxY9KMjJPYeQ9PgkxMDhxSo0qM3nqw)

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425335&d=1544453951

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425336&d=1544453964

lars strom

12-10-2018, 10:11 AM

...two mercury hi-performance over the hub cleavers, both right hand, with mercury quicksilver cable steering...must of been a handful...https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425205&d=1544376293

Yes, this is from 1981 and Mercury made very good props. You needed to modify the rubber hub to solid. I dont think its a quicksilver cable steering. (Pretty pricey overseas) Teleflex in Sweden made a similar for a better deal.
Back then OMC did not have counter rotation as an option.
This was also the first year for the 2.6 liter cross-flow V6. (235 only)
I sold a ton of them.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425337&d=1544454680

lars strom

12-10-2018, 03:41 PM

Wow..those new Yamaha 425HP V8 5.6 liters are huge!!

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lars strom

12-10-2018, 04:51 PM

Local Knowledge/Evinrude
https://www.localknowledge.tv/?fbclid=IwAR0ls1GXamjyHvTSZXNBIRUXRaRHkT-Q0qY5MzbNsEvEGcegzDerYtLBT6I

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Bob V

12-10-2018, 05:31 PM

Wow..those new Yamaha 425HP V8 5.6 liters are huge!!

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I would imagine that the price tag is huge as well...:eek:

lars strom

12-10-2018, 06:19 PM

I would imagine that the price tag is huge as well...:eek:

Retail pricing for the Yamaha XTO 425 will start at $44,250 for the 25-inch shaft in right rotation and $45,185 in left rotation. The 30-inch shaft will retail for $45,000 (right) and $45,935 (left).

powerabout

12-10-2018, 07:11 PM

Yes, this is from 1981 and Mercury made very good props. You needed to modify the rubber hub to solid. I dont think its a quicksilver cable steering. (Pretty pricey overseas) Teleflex in Sweden made a similar for a better deal.
Back then OMC did not have counter rotation as an option.
This was also the first year for the 2.6 liter cross-flow V6. (235 only)
I sold a ton of them.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425337&d=1544454680

they did have the fwd only left hand box, when did that come out?

lars strom

12-10-2018, 07:45 PM

they did have the fwd only left hand box, when did that come out?

We never sold any counter rotations without reverse. Maybe some aftermarket stuff/or Second Effort 1983 and later.
The first counter rotations we OMC dealers could order was 1985. The one when the powerhead was run counter and a new gear set/drive shaft and much more. (Looper V6/V8 only). Took forever to turn a standard to counter. Lots of problems and finally we got the real counter rotation gearcases from OMC a year or two later.

powerabout

12-10-2018, 08:24 PM

We never sold any counter rotations without reverse. Maybe some aftermarket stuff/or Second Effort 1983 and later.
The first counter rotations we OMC dealers could order was 1985. The one when the powerhead was run counter and a new gear set/drive shaft and much more. (Looper V6/V8 only). Took forever to turn a standard to counter. Lots of problems and finally we got the real counter rotation gearcases from OMC a year or two later.

for the xflow v6 they had a neutral and fwd box so fwd was aft in the box to suit std rotation engine
Its in the accessory catalogue

Instigator

12-10-2018, 09:40 PM

I heard of that on the early Mercs but not the OMCs.

I had an early V-8 that spun backwards.
Wierd.
Different starter and seems like a cable running around p.head to advance timer.

they did have the fwd only left hand box, when did that come out?

lars strom

12-10-2018, 09:49 PM

I heard of that on the early Mercs but not the OMCs.

I had an early V-8 that spun backwards.
Wierd.
Different starter and seems like a cable running around p.head to advance timer.

We did many counter like that and I think the V8 was running smoother the other way but a terrible kit. Many hours to install and it did not fit so good.
Extremly hard to get parts for. That stupid cable around the powerhead was a disaster.
Nope, we stopped installing them.

powerabout

12-10-2018, 10:38 PM

We did many counter like that and I think the V8 was running smoother the other way but a terrible kit. Many hours to install and it did not fit so good.
Extremly hard to get parts for. That stupid cable around the powerhead was a disaster.
Nope, we stopped installing them.
you could order ccw v6 v8 from new I thought back in the day?
Then later just the lower changed

lars strom

12-11-2018, 07:01 AM

Well 1985/86 and 1987 OMC sold a counter rotation kit for the V8.
Second Effort sold engines they installed the kit but Limited Edition model and cost way more money.
1988 was the first year for factory counter rotation from OMC.
Finally the new gear case was available
First picture the kit, second the new gear case 1988.

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WaterZebra

12-11-2018, 12:49 PM

Retail pricing for the Yamaha XTO 425 will start at $44,250 for the 25-inch shaft in right rotation and $45,185 in left rotation. The 30-inch shaft will retail for $45,000 (right) and $45,935 (left).
That the typical outboard dealer only stocks their inventory with 60hp and below these days. :mad: A 25hp long shaft costs more than my limited production Merc Twister did in the 70's.

lars strom

12-11-2018, 12:58 PM

Well..yes but very few new larger outboards are sold by dealers today. New outboards are mostly sold by boat factories under long contracts.

Outboard dealers can only sell to the re-power market.

racer

12-11-2018, 03:17 PM

I got the first counter V6 lower made in 1980, it was as mentioned a forward neutral only. Here in the USA the first 160 inch 235 was 1980 not 81

AZMIDLYF

12-11-2018, 03:34 PM

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lars strom

12-11-2018, 04:32 PM

I got the first counter V6 lower made in 1980, it was as mentioned a forward neutral only. Here in the USA the first 160 inch 235 was 1980 not 81

First, yes you are right..1980 not 1981 for the thin sleeves. Thanks for correcting me. We had a lot of problems with the early 2.6 cross-flow. Cracked sleeves/blocks.
Well.. never heard of a counter rotation production cross-flow V6 gearcase from OMC with no reverse. No way you could sell that in duel installation over in Europe.
Did really OMC build/sell that??

lars strom

12-11-2018, 05:01 PM

Pretty nice.
Thank you Graham Fralick (https://www.facebook.com/graham.fralick?__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARAgHtE_0WQ5JNCbtczPMctMBSM2mAi2NrwFWjrihETKdhiP6st9hA7T31z8z_YxAtvR34u6axUQC9cU&tn-str=%2AF)‎Flyer Race Boats

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powerabout

12-11-2018, 07:20 PM

First, yes you are right..1980 not 1981 for the thin sleeves. Thanks for correcting me. We had a lot of problems with the early 2.6 cross-flow. Cracked sleeves/blocks.
Well.. never heard of a counter rotation production cross-flow V6 gearcase from OMC with no reverse. No way you could sell that in duel installation over in Europe.
Did really OMC build/sell that??
Yes as a spare part hence in marched Yamaha who did sell them

FUJIMO

12-11-2018, 09:13 PM

I got the first counter V6 lower made in 1980, it was as mentioned a forward neutral only. Here in the USA the first 160 inch 235 was 1980 not 81
I recall this as well. Also, OMC here in the U.S., because they wanted to be the first, advertised for over two years prior, that they had a full gearshift counter rotation V-6 gearcase available, AND...VRO oil-injection available then...and they did NOT. This was about the same timeframe...1980ish. In about 1982, they gave me a part number for a new 25'' left-hand gearcase, for a customers new boat. Got it, installed it & it blew up.

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12-11-2018, 09:39 PM

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12-11-2018, 09:39 PM

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12-11-2018, 09:40 PM

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12-11-2018, 09:41 PM

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12-11-2018, 09:58 PM

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12-11-2018, 09:59 PM

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Instigator

12-11-2018, 10:11 PM

Wow, a CVX race boat.
Never seen one of those.

Love the cockpit cover.
Even looks like chute jacket.

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lars strom

12-12-2018, 08:42 AM

I recall this as well. Also, OMC here in the U.S., because they wanted to be the first, advertised for over two years prior, that they had a full gearshift counter rotation V-6 gearcase available, AND...VRO oil-injection available then...and they did NOT. This was about the same timeframe...1980ish. In about 1982, they gave me a part number for a new 25'' left-hand gearcase, for a customers new boat. Got it, installed it & it blew up.

Well,the VRO was introduced 1984. Not for all models but that was the first year.
I have gone thru a lot of OMC part books from 1980 to 1984 and there is no parts, gearcases or any other signs of a counter rotation gearcase for V6 cross-flow with forward/neutral only.
I have never heard of it but maybe possible in some set up for racing.
Yes, same part book world wide.

keith scotton

12-12-2018, 09:02 AM

If you look in the 1981 and 1982 parts and accessories catalog page 70 you will find it. long pn 390160 extra long 391095 also lists two propellers a 21 pitch and a 23 parts book were na in 1995 last price long $2797.70 extra long $2509.88 This does not mean you could get one. not 1982 catalog???????
Enjoy Life Keith

lars strom

12-12-2018, 09:14 AM

lars strom

12-12-2018, 09:17 AM

Counter Rotation Gearcase V-6 Models Miscellaneous 1980 Accessories for 1980 Johnson Evinrude Outboards

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lars strom

12-12-2018, 10:00 AM

pretty nice.
thank you graham fralick (https://www.facebook.com/graham.fralick?__tn__=%2cd%2af%2af-r&eid=araghte_0wq5jncbtczpmctmbsm2mai2nrwfwjrihetkdhip6st9ha7t31z8z_yxatvr34u6axuqc9cu&tn-str=%2af)‎flyer race boats

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APBA 15A

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99fxst99

12-12-2018, 10:43 AM

Counter Rotation Gearcase V-6 Models Miscellaneous 1980 Accessories for 1980 Johnson Evinrude Outboards

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I thought the early OMC C/R cases had a two piece propshaft that rotated against itself...??

lars strom

12-12-2018, 10:53 AM

I dont know much about early OMC cross-flow V-6 C/R gear cases (1980 to -84). I guess the one without reverse must have been a very hard sell. (pn 390160)

lars strom

12-12-2018, 11:02 AM

I asked Bill Grannis about early OMC cross-flow V-6 C/R gear cases (1980 to -84)
He knows OMC better than most people.

Here is his answer:
Lars
Something rings a bell about that but I don't honestly remember if it was for offshore racing or not.

lars strom

12-12-2018, 11:19 AM

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lars strom

12-12-2018, 11:42 AM

Maybe OMC was first with ATV.

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AZMIDLYF

12-12-2018, 12:19 PM

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12-12-2018, 12:22 PM

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racer

12-12-2018, 01:32 PM

Sold half dozen of those lowers. Ran one on a triple 30 Scarab that won 11 of 12 races on the west coast one year.The first version had straight cut gears later was a helicol gear, first version was noisy but never broke one.

Rotary John

12-12-2018, 02:28 PM

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FUJIMO

12-12-2018, 02:45 PM

[QUOTE=lars strom;3097659]425562
Ask Schubert how this worked out?
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...dangerous as all getout...

lars strom

12-12-2018, 04:54 PM

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12-12-2018, 06:42 PM

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Thanks, production V8 powerhead, F1-V8 mid section (12 inch) and it looks like a production V8 gear-case with nosecone.

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12-12-2018, 07:13 PM

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Not sure but probably an SST 100 engine.
I think the Victorian Outboard Club is in Australia..??

powerabout

12-12-2018, 07:21 PM

yes
yes
https://www.facebook.com/victorianoutboardclub
www.voc.com.au

lars strom

12-13-2018, 09:02 AM

UIM F1 - 2018

Erik Stark of Sweden have the Pole Position for the last UIM F1 race in Sharjah, UAE.
Second is Jonas Andersson also from Sweden.
Shaun Torrente is starting from the seventh position.
The race is this Saturday

https://www.f1h2o.com/post/stark-takes-pole-position-in-sharjah

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12-13-2018, 11:01 AM

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12-13-2018, 12:16 PM

lars strom

12-13-2018, 12:47 PM

Evinrude V6 CCC.
Dont have any more info.
Picture credit unknown.

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peterse90

12-13-2018, 01:06 PM

Evinrude V6 CCC.
Dont have any more info.
Picture credit unknown.

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Here is my wild guess - 1978; Canadian Spencer Dunn driving the Pinel version of the OMC lay-down boat that Jimbo drove in 1977.
Spencer never really liked this boat and it was later converted to a regular sit-up cockpit and driven by Jim Harrison with a V6 Evinrude.

lars strom

12-13-2018, 04:34 PM

Thanks, I think your guess is correct..!!

lars strom

12-13-2018, 04:43 PM

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425565

From my FaceBook page today.

Stephen Gilligan (https://www.facebook.com/stephen.gilligan?fref=gc&dti=2043017495976607)
Hi guys, it my SST 100 that we run with the Victorian Outboard Club (https://www.facebook.com/victorianoutboardclub/?fref=gc&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=ufi) in Australia. We originally ran the 2000cc engine however due to local class rules, we built a 60 degree 1730cc engine. For it size, the 60deg is amazing and I won almost every I entered with it.

HP MACHINE

12-13-2018, 06:07 PM

Here is my wild guess - 1978; Canadian Spencer Dunn driving the Pinel version of the OMC lay-down boat that Jimbo drove in 1977.
Spencer never really liked this boat and it was later converted to a regular sit-up cockpit and driven by Jim Harrison with a V6 Evinrude.

Your correct , Spencer Dunn and big Roy Knight doin' the mandatory roost inspection on warm up - LOL . Spencer performed a spectacular blow over in this boat at the Welland kilo's . Ended up smashed to pieces ( Spencer , the boat came out relatively unscathed ) with Tom Wood telling him " I told you not to try and beat me , I told you .... " as they were carrying him up the ramp in a safety stretcher . They were both very competitive with each other let alone the Mercury guys .
I remember the conversation(s) about the drivers inability to " feel " the attitude of the boat under trim . He found the " sweet ( bad ) spot in
Welland that day .

peterse90

12-13-2018, 06:49 PM

Your correct , Spencer Dunn and big Roy Knight doin' the mandatory roost inspection on warm up - LOL . Spencer performed a spectacular blow over in this boat at the Welland kilo's . Ended up smashed to pieces ( Spencer , the boat came out relatively unscathed ) with Tom Wood telling him " I told you not to try and beat me , I told you .... " as they were carrying him up the ramp in a safety stretcher . They were both very competitive with each other let alone the Mercury guys .
I remember the conversation(s) about the drivers inability to " feel " the attitude of the boat under trim . He found the " sweet ( bad ) spot in
Welland that day .

I thought that was Roy Knight. I remember Roy was usually with Sid Goddard in the early 70's then was with Spencer later on...actually I think Roy helped everyone. Very nice guy who was a fixture at most of our Sportscraft races in the 70's.
Your telling of Spencer blowing the lay-down boat over is exactly why I relayed that Spencer did not like this boat.
Tom Wood gave Spencer the "Told You So" more than once, I remember Tom giving it to Spencer at the Marathon Nationals in Magog, Quebec 1973.
HP, you and I must know each other somehow. I went to many races throughout the 70's. I raced FE in 74 and 77, then SE in 78 & 79.

HP MACHINE

12-13-2018, 08:45 PM

Yes , I'm sure we know each other . My father , Fred Harrison , was the OMC engine machinist / fabricator who worked with Tom Wood , Murray Wight ( and many others of course ) under Jim Goodfellow ( Race division coordinator ( The " boss " ) ) .
I remember you racing against Duane Wight , Roy Hopkins , Pete and Jake Stelter and the likes . Man there's too many people to list !
I still see Duane quite often and Rob Wood ( I helped wrench for Tom and Rob in the v/8 days ) .
Your rite about Roy , He'd be the first one in the water in a situation , and wouldn't get out until all things necessary were finished .

HP MACHINE

12-13-2018, 09:07 PM

From my FaceBook page today.

Stephen Gilligan (https://www.facebook.com/stephen.gilligan?fref=gc&dti=2043017495976607)
Hi guys, it my SST 100 that we run with the Victorian Outboard Club (https://www.facebook.com/victorianoutboardclub/?fref=gc&dti=2043017495976607&hc_location=ufi) in Australia. We originally ran the 2000cc engine however due to local class rules, we built a 60 degree 1730cc engine. For it size, the 60deg is amazing and I won almost every I entered with it.
What RPM did you end up turning with the 60 degree ? I love the " side path " intake of the V4 & V6 60'S . Lots of potential for air flow and light weight .

powerabout

12-13-2018, 09:20 PM

What RPM did you end up turning with the 60 degree ? I love the " side path " intake of the V4 & V6 60'S . Lots of potential for air flow and light weight .
problem is the exhaust is not designed for big HP, so lots of grinding I would imagine

lars strom

12-13-2018, 09:47 PM

Offshore again 2 X Johnson V8 GT 300

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HP MACHINE

12-13-2018, 11:04 PM

problem is the exhaust is not designed for big HP, so lots of grinding I would imagine

No doubt , probably to lots of aluminum welding too - LOL

powerabout

12-13-2018, 11:15 PM

I think i was in the shop ( GH's in Carrum) that was doing the work a few years back in my old town...
Boat was there too, now that I think about it

lars strom

12-14-2018, 10:05 AM

From Norway,

A Johnson V8 3.6 GT

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lars strom

12-14-2018, 08:46 PM

Yes, Evinrude for Christmas..!!

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lars strom

12-15-2018, 07:55 AM

HMore UIM F1 - 2018

Late Saturday afternoon one of the three below is probably going to be the 2018 Formula 1 World Champion.

My heart is hoping for Erik Stark. He could be the first Swedish F1 Champion ever.. !!
Shaun is probably a safer pick. He is the points leader and need to finish fourth or better to be the champ but anything could happen.
Thani third picture is a big possibility also.

Stay tuned..

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425628

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425629&d=1544721246
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Erik Stark won the race and Shaun finished third and is the 2018 UIM F1 World Champ.
Congratulations Shaun Torrente.

lars strom

12-15-2018, 08:51 AM

peterse90

12-15-2018, 12:23 PM

Yes, Evinrude for Christmas..!!

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WOW! Neat to see the Johnson name is still alive and well - would make a great comeback story for us that grew up with outboards back in the 50's, 60's and 70's !!

WaterZebra

12-15-2018, 01:03 PM

My guess why the Caldwell CRT 2.5 did not race in the last UIM F1 race today.

Today's UIM F1 is a spec. engine class run by the pro-motor. You can only use the old Merc V6 that is not even sold from Mecury Racing anymore.
There is rules for how you can modify the powerhead and some teams have been disqualified for not following the rules.
There is no way all the other teams are going to allow someone to use the Caldwell CRT 2.5 engine when they can not do what they want to do on their own Merc powerhead.

F1 teams have even bigger inventory problems than just power heads. Mercury Marine will cease production of ALL F1 components (mid sections, cowls, engines, props, gears, etc) after 2019.:eek: F1 has 3 choices:
(1) Change the rules -especially allowing aftermarket (2) Acquire aftermarket non-Mercury product sources (3) Make the big leap to 4 stroke power (not likely).
Either adapt (3 choices) or watch the sport eventually die. USA (APBA) blew off the idea of using "green motors" (Low emission 2 strokes) and kept using their old stuff until it wore out. Then, the boats started to sit in the garage, barn or driveway. They would never adapt to any kind of 4 stroke products because of the given weight penalty which would mean that speed records would never be broken again, etc. Tunnel boat racers should have taken pointers from the motocross guys. They made the leap to 4 strokes and kept on going.

powerabout

12-15-2018, 07:59 PM

F1 teams have even bigger inventory problems than just power heads. Mercury Marine will cease production of ALL F1 components (mid sections, cowls, engines, props, gears, etc) after 2019.:eek: F1 has 3 choices:
(1) Change the rules -especially allowing aftermarket (2) Acquire aftermarket non-Mercury product sources (3) Make the big leap to 4 stroke power (not likely).
Either adapt (3 choices) or watch the sport eventually die. USA (APBA) blew off the idea of using "green motors" (Low emission 2 strokes) and kept using their old stuff until it wore out. Then, the boats started to sit in the garage, barn or driveway. They would never adapt to any kind of 4 stroke products because of the given weight penalty which would mean that speed records would never be broken again, etc. Tunnel boat racers should have taken pointers from the motocross guys. They made the leap to 4 strokes and kept on going.
Buy OMC F1 parts from Seaway, I'm sure they will supply them forever, choose your powerhead

lars strom

12-16-2018, 09:25 AM

We can all see the Evinrude G2, but the location is maybe more interesting..:)
Picture credit: unknown

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nitro_rat

12-16-2018, 10:01 AM

We can all see the Evinrude G2, but the location is maybe more interesting..:)
Picture credit: unknown

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Gone Merc hunting on their turf, huh?

22R

12-16-2018, 10:02 AM

Maybe Lake X is missing it's 2 stroke roots......

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GENE LANHAM

12-16-2018, 12:57 PM

Maybe Lake X is missing it's 2 stroke roots......

22R

Bunc of us saw it there a few weeks ago—-

lars strom

12-16-2018, 01:45 PM

Bunc of us saw it there a few weeks ago—-

Yes I know but you did not take a picture of the Evinrude G2 at Lake X.
Here is one more.

https://www.screamandfly.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=425826&d=1544985889

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12-16-2018, 01:56 PM

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12-16-2018, 04:22 PM

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OMCAllTheWay

12-16-2018, 05:02 PM

USA (APBA) blew off the idea of using "green motors" (Low emission 2 strokes) and kept using their old stuff until it wore out. Then, the boats started to sit in the garage, barn or driveway. They would never adapt to any kind of 4 stroke products because of the given weight penalty which would mean that speed records would never be broken again, etc. Tunnel boat racers should have taken pointers from the motocross guys. They made the leap to 4 strokes and kept on going.
I was putting some serious thought into racing OPC again but I don’t think I will. As far as I can tell, OPC has no vision for the future. They aren’t thinking five or ten years down the road, but instead they are still “fighting yesterday’s war” as we say in my line of work. It’s time they accept green motors as the future and leverage what they can or OPC will be a faded memory.

lars strom

12-16-2018, 06:01 PM

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12-16-2018, 06:56 PM

Evinrude (https://www.facebook.com/BRPEvinrude/?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDRg3nGzTbk7wYUdunEaNbtxHNU6X0EV70_Swmh1aIXA-5DtV-Y97czhVtmR_uYOpyGfcQbUx6aXCZ5q0HUCZjJ8CzyFGJUIIJNfPD9ZL3zYyTcaNE0nECgwyZ8F8Ja1CfFB902Nv-H4vqG9_hUGSdhqKbZnQUFEN4VTDSz6OlmQtQyYGzJBygiWI6S9Ihd5_RIyNOhfQScT_B8w3jOveV5Ag6jcLhhF-CH0VvhwOlZ5tYmVY2FVvKFogjx-Yp3P4ueaH0VLULqw3X8QMIhnwoQWblhsvYdiCzmHr9QibqCuVlWF_Clcu6A3WrK7uG9nnYkkKE2ZGIUeD4LGj_9zqE-bIDyHy2G3Ul9ys2JzSttoR0V&__tn__=k%2AF&tn-str=k%2AF)

Good choice Salty, good choice!
She knows which motor makes boating easy.

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lars strom

12-16-2018, 07:09 PM

Thanks for the pictures Nick Imprescia

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Mark Poole ModVP

12-17-2018, 01:07 AM

What I want to know is why are those European F1 boats so much faster than the U.S. Champ boats.

powerabout

12-17-2018, 03:27 AM

What I want to know is why are those European F1 boats so much faster than the U.S. Champ boats.
bigger budgets

techteam

12-17-2018, 03:53 AM

A lot of boat and engine development has happened. Look at champ and the boats haven't moved on in 10 to 15 years. Even the older DACS etc are making there way onto the US circuit now and providing they are not heavy endurance boats seem to run at the front.

lars strom

12-17-2018, 08:28 AM

Benny Robertson´s record setting 141 MPH qualifying lap in his #57 SE/Johnson F1-V8 put him on the pole.

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lars strom

12-17-2018, 08:41 AM

No, my heart is not broken because Erik Stark did not win the UIM F1 World title.
My bigger concern is the only way to win the UIM F1 title is racing for Team Abu Dhabi. (The top three 2018 is Team Abu Dhabi)
Erik was not going to race a full season in his own boat this year because lack of sponsorship.
Team Abu Dhabi signed him up after he won the London GP and another small UIM F1 team is gone.
Like it or not but the Middle East is running our sport today.
That breaks my heart.

lars strom

12-17-2018, 08:58 AM

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12-17-2018, 10:47 AM

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Instigator

12-17-2018, 04:29 PM

Used to be that the UIM allowed way motor motor mods than did the US Champ Boat version and I think its still the same way.
Last I read the US version were trying to keep the motors even where the UIM let the motor builders go gonzo.

And budgets as powerbout noted.

What I want to know is why are those European F1 boats so much faster than the U.S. Champ boats.

lars strom

12-17-2018, 04:49 PM

The UIM F1 use to be a pure racing class with no limitations. Only max cylinder volume (2 Liter "ON" after OMC stopped racing the V8) Even the fuel was free.
Merc changed the rules to 2.5 liter and now the promotor have his own rules.
You can only use the old Merc V6 2.5 liter. Nothing else.

lars strom

12-17-2018, 04:59 PM

Airship Rib 340 with 2 X Evinrude G2

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powerabout

12-17-2018, 08:02 PM

lars strom

12-18-2018, 05:50 AM

remind me why we need the UIM?

Well, UIM or not. A bigger question is how to get factories like Yamaha, Suzuki, Evinrude interested to promote their products in the racing world.
Not an easy task.

powerabout

12-18-2018, 05:55 AM

Well, UIM or not. A bigger question is how to get factories like Yamaha, Suzuki, Evinrude interested to promote their products in the racing world.
Not an easy task.

Perhaps they know how the uim works hence they dont want to be involved??

lars strom

12-18-2018, 07:33 AM

I think your comment is extremely close to reality Powerabout..!!

lars strom

12-18-2018, 08:40 AM

Tim McNeal (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009056633179&fref=gc&dti=2043017495976607) This is a V6 looper on a production cut down V8 midsection.

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powerabout

12-18-2018, 10:04 AM

I think your comment is extremely close to reality Powerabout..!!

Dont forget Honda must of had a taste when they ran that series in the UK ( now P1)

lars strom

12-18-2018, 10:11 AM

I did a story about Honda F2 racing 10 years ago on a different forum
Here is a link below.

Honda Racing a world first.

http://svera.se/blogg/honda-marine-and-f2-racing/

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AZMIDLYF

12-18-2018, 10:13 AM

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lars strom

12-18-2018, 05:31 PM

2 X Evinrude G2.:)

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lars strom

12-18-2018, 05:51 PM

Marc Casalino (https://www.facebook.com/marc.casalino?__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARAD_56fIMTpjodYB25tZiSfB6u3SNPr2JUErEwMR1QQtu8DyoFltAV6xuIeqp2_0NMzzj5-1R2eza6x&tn-str=%2AF)‎

Bit of info...
Always run your hose for a couple of seconds before attaching to rear of motor. Don't make my mistake and blow a lizard into the pee hole. Ended up plugging the line and had to be taken in to have our local Evinrude shop to remove.

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