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	09-19-2022, 12:18 PM #346 Team Member Team Member- Join Date
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 Weeelll... that's ... not exactly a fair representation of reality. Both batteries and electric motors pre-date IC engines by several decades. Further, in the infancy of automobiles, battery cars were everywhere. But they were ancient tech, and could not compete with the new tech (which was IC) when it arrived. So battery cars failed under their own weight, so to speak.  
 
 The same problems with battery cars from 130 years ago are the problems today: short range or massive weight, and… expensive. Which is fine for rich man’s lifestyle toys, like Tesla or Rivian. The same rich men who probably also have a full sized petrol SUV or a diesel 1-ton. On the everyday, boring reliable appliance front … I must see 50 Teslas for every Leaf or Bolt. Battery cars are still too expensive and too inconvenient for the ordinary bloke working a service industry job, living in an apartment and parking on the street.
 
 -PeterLast edited by pcrussell50; 09-19-2022 at 02:28 PM. "padded wonder"
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	09-19-2022, 12:43 PM #347currently it is more expensive in europe to charge your car than fill it up with petrol 
 but maybe it was not a wise idea to couple electric pricing to gas pricing! 
 
 
 
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	09-19-2022, 07:28 PM #350 Scream And Fly VIP Scream And Fly VIP- Join Date
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 e-bike-sparked-queens-house-fire-that-killed-8-year-old CBS NewYork 
 
 
 
 
 
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	09-19-2022, 07:57 PM #351Gotta love sensationalism. Just like politics, look for one example, pass it on as the norm. Don't much matter. It's here, and you ain't stopping it. Oh, now do the same area, natural gas explosions.  
 
 As I've said, I'm in construction, with around 100 people minimum on any given day. I have not seen, not heard of one failure like that. Nor have any of my friends in the trades. In the wrong hands, bad shizz happens.
 
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	09-19-2022, 09:47 PM #353 Team Member Team Member- Join Date
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 Poor Mr. Johns. You can’t win for losing, mate. It’s coming… And not because of a single example, but because of increasingly many examples. In Europe they are already starting to ban battery cars from parking in underground parking garages. Why? White hot fires that can’t be put out without heavy equipment, and difficulty getting the big equipment in tight garages with low ceilings. The fear with white-hot lithium fires is structural damage that could cause building collapse or severe damage. 
 
 -PeterLast edited by pcrussell50; 09-19-2022 at 10:09 PM. "padded wonder"
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	09-20-2022, 04:53 AM #354. 
 
 
 the electric planes are coming ..
 
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	09-20-2022, 06:11 AM #355 Scream And Fly VIP Scream And Fly VIP- Join Date
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 "Sweden-based Heart's electric-hybrid aircraft under development will have capacity for up to 30 passengers and generate zero emissions when they enter service, which is expected in 2028, Canada's largest carrier said in a release." 
 
 Read More -" Under the Paris accord, countries agreed to limit the rise in global temperatures from pre-industrial levels to 2 degrees Celsius and preferably to 1.5 degrees. To do that, scientists say the world needs to cut emissions to net zero by 2050."
 
 
 All this progress predicated on lies to save the earth right ? Of course state media Reuters have pictures of an Airbus for the readers Of course state media Reuters have pictures of an Airbus for the readers 
 
 But let me translate that anyway, - these are the future planes for people like Justin Trudeau, john Kerry & Gavin Newsome who fly around in carbon spewing private jets right now. But "Our" commercial flying days will be over for the good of mother earth" .
 
 Oh but these comments are sooo political, you "aint" stopping progress buddy !!!!!! -Land of Sunny -Land of Sunny
 
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	09-20-2022, 06:26 AM #356America must not have gotten the memo. In the last three years, I have built three buildings, all with underground EV parking/ charging. Increased fire protection in that area. See how the process works, mate? Problem... Engineering.... Solution. Like I said, all the autos are retooling their plants, building battery facilities, renewables are growing by the day. But I can't win? Heh. Like the lone Japanese soldier holding his post after WW2 was long lost, you guys just haven't accepted the news yet. Heh �� 
 
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	09-20-2022, 06:32 AM #357 Scream And Fly VIP Scream And Fly VIP- Join Date
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	09-20-2022, 06:47 AM #358 Screaming And Flying! Screaming And Flying!- Join Date
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 When an idea is so good you have to force it on people by coercion and deceit.....you know the whole things gonna be a disaster of epic proportions. 
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	09-20-2022, 07:14 AM #359 5000 RPM 5000 RPM- Join Date
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 I am still curious how the claim of "zero emissions" can be made over and over again when these things require something that omits emissions to generate the power that they need. 
 
 [QUOTE=Shaun K;3360924]"Sweden-based Heart's electric-hybrid aircraft under development will have capacity for up to 30 passengers and generate zero emissions when they enter service, which is expected in 2028, Canada's largest carrier said in a release." [/QUOTE]STV Pro Comp Ski| 200 Merc
 
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 I guess they will use holding patterns on the kerosene burners and let the electro planes land first. Don’t see where they describe the usual reserve air time that all flights are required to have. They leave small details like this out for some reason 
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