electric catamaran boat to set world record

[CUDA]

I guess Winnipeg and Ford are not ready, what does your story have to do with the subject ?



Lets see 26 million EV's on the road and this story has gotten more press because it fits you huh?

My brother is going on seven years with EV's and just bought a new Lucid Air GT 500+ mile range, if you baby it

His Tesla tells you where all the charging stations are, DON't buy Ford

your the one that needs to be enlighten

://performancedrive.com.au/Toyota has announced that it will be launching its first vehicle to use solid-state batteries by 2025. The first Toyotas to use the new batteries will be hybrids, rather than fully electric vehicles, making it possible the first to get the new battery could be the Prius. Toyota has made a breakthrough in battery technology that will allow it to eventually create batteries that offer a whopping 745 miles of range on a single charge — and that it’s aiming to create a battery that would give an electric car 900 miles of range1. Solid-state batteries are also much faster to charge — so you’ll spend less time waiting at electric car charging stations1. Toyota says that it has simplified the production of solid-state batteries, which could be a huge development for the vehicles they’ll power.
Solid-state batteries are a type of battery that use solid materials as both the electrodes and the electrolyte, instead of the liquid or polymer gel electrolytes found in conventional lithium-ion batteries. Solid-state batteries have several advantages over lithium-ion batteries, such as higher energy density, faster charging, longer cycle life, and improved safety. However, they also face some challenges, such as high manufacturing costs, low ionic conductivity, and interface instability.
To understand how solid-state batteries work, let us first review how lithium-ion batteries work. A lithium-ion battery consists of three main components: a positive electrode (cathode), a negative electrode (anode), and an electrolyte. The electrolyte is a liquid or gel that contains lithium ions that can move between the electrodes. When the battery is connected to a load, such as an electric vehicle or a mobile phone, an electrochemical reaction occurs at both electrodes. At the anode, lithium atoms release electrons and become lithium ions. The electrons flow through the external circuit to power the device, while the lithium ions migrate through the electrolyte to the cathode. At the cathode, lithium ions combine with electrons and other atoms to form compounds. This process is called discharge. When the battery is plugged into a charger, the opposite reaction occurs. The charger supplies electrons to the cathode, where they split the compounds and release lithium ions. The lithium ions then move through the electrolyte to the anode, where they combine with electrons and form lithium atoms. This process is called charge.

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A solid-state battery works in a similar way, except that it uses a solid electrolyte instead of a liquid or gel one. The solid electrolyte can be made of various materials, such as ceramics, polymers, or glass. The solid electrolyte must have high ionic conductivity, meaning that it can allow lithium ions to move easily through it. It must also have good mechanical stability, thermal stability, chemical stability, and compatibility with the electrodes. One of the main benefits of using a solid electrolyte is that it eliminates the risk of leakage or fire that can occur with liquid or gel electrolytes. Another benefit is that it enables the use of different electrode materials that can increase the energy density of the battery. For example, some solid-state batteries use lithium metal as the anode material, which has a much higher capacity than graphite or silicon used in conventional lithium-ion batteries. However, using lithium metal also poses some challenges, such as dendrite formation and volume expansion. Dendrites are needle-like structures that can grow on the surface of the lithium metal during charging and discharging cycles. They can pierce through the solid electrolyte and cause a short circuit or even an explosion. Volume expansion refers to the change in size of the lithium metal as it absorbs and releases lithium ions. This can cause mechanical stress and cracking in the solid electrolyte and reduce its performance.
Therefore, solid-state batteries are still under development and not widely available in the market yet. However, many researchers and companies like Toyota are working on improving their performance and reducing their costs. Solid-state batteries have the potential to revolutionize various applications that require high energy density and safety, such as electric vehicles, aerospace, medical devices, and wearable electronics.
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Lithium has had a good run but it will soon be replaced by far better technology


Don't you have a new boat fires to report on? HUH

[pcrussell50]

My brother is going on seven years with EV's and just bought a new Lucid Air GT

Only seven years and he's already got a new one? How many BEVs has he had over that time? And why buy something new, when something you already have is working or repairable?

Toyota says 745 miles per charge, 1/2 the size and 1/2 the weight,

complete recharge 10 minutes solid state will become the norm

LOL. Wake me when it happens. Or show me an article where it's already being done on a long term test mule on real roads in a western country. Solid state has had the theoretical potential to do what you say since the 1830's or so, when it was invented. The reason it hasn't come about sooner is that the challenges are... substantial... To say the least. The two biggest challenges for solid state are extreme fragility, and even more extreme cost. And I'm not kidding when I say extreme.

If solid state hasn't already logged hundreds of thousands of failure-free miles in test mules, it's years away. Years.

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Funny Toyota'ism... They recently got a patent, an actual patent, on fake manual transmissions for electric cars with no transmission. There is a shifter and a clutch pedal. You let off the gas and push in the clutch, it drops rpms, then you shift the fake shifter which is not connected to anything, and let the clutch back out and press the gas pedal. Amazing. LOL.

-Peter

[David - WI]

Haha... 1.7 million EV's in US but 1.3 million are in the failing state of California that's paying people to buy them.

If not for the climate hoax subsidies, they wouldn't be selling any because the real cost is so high.

[pcrussell50]

Haha... 1.7 million EV's in US but 1.3 million are in the failing state of California that's paying people to buy them.

If not for the climate hoax subsidies, they wouldn't be selling any because the real cost is so high.

Also, rich status-seekers will buy BEVs as long as they are prestige marques like Tesla, Porsche, Audi, Jag. Of course they will also have plenty of expensive piston vehicles in their garage to go with them.

But basically, ordinary people don’t but ordinary BEVs. Which is why Tesla sells more cars in just six months than Nissan has sold Leaf’s since it was introduced 13 years ago. What’s worse than that, in mandatory market share states like CA, the non-prestige BEV makers end up having to buy their own BEVs in order to comply with California’s mandatory percentage requirements. We almost leased a Leaf back in 2014 for $169/mo. But it didn’t quite have the range to make it 35 miles each way with the A/C on and no charging in the employee lot at work. Rather, it technically had the range, but you would have been nervous every drive home. And you would have had to start with a full charge. If you forgot, you would have to take a petro car anyway. But boy, that tiny lease payment was tempting.

We know a few people with a shorter drive to work who are taking advantage of leasing a Leaf for practically free, (thanks to CA forcing Nissan to buy their own cars in CA and lease them back). So you can make lemonade out of the lemons of CA’s authoritarian laws if a non-prestigious brand will work for you.

-Peter

[Chaz]

I see the village idiot has went from some dumb ... to plumb dumb.

As Ron White says ... ya just can't fix stupid ..

[CUDA]

Yes Charlie your living proof.


G.M. and Other Automakers Will Build 30,000 Electric Vehicle Chargers


The companies will jointly spend at least $1 billion to build a North American network in an effort to persuade more people to buy battery-powered cars and trucks.
]Seven automakers are establishing a joint venture that will install thousands of fast chargers in the United States and Canada.[



]The carmakers — BMW Group, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz Group and Stellantis — will initially invest at least $1 billion in a joint venture that will build 30,000 charging ports on major highways and other locations in the United States and Canada.[
The United States and Canada have about 36,000 fast chargers — those that can replenish a drained battery in 30 minutes or less. In some sparsely populated areas, such chargers can be hundreds of miles apart. Surveys show that fear about not being able to find a charger during longer journeys is a major reason that some car buyers are reluctant to buy electric vehicles.]
]Sales of electric vehicles have risen quickly in the United States, but there are signs that demand is softening. As a result, Tesla, Ford Motor and other carmakers have cut prices in recent months and are offering incentives. Popular models that had long waiting lists last year are now available in a few days or weeks.[/COLOR]

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[Speed Jr.]

Well Shaun Torrente is testing to up the Electric record this week at the Ozarks in his new boat. Nice to see some are working on stuff, not keyboard bitching. See ya at the shootout.

[pcrussell50]

Well Shaun Torrente is testing to up the Electric record this week at the Ozarks in his new boat. Nice to see some are working on stuff, not keyboard bitching. See ya at the shootout.

It will mean nothing to anyone here without some specs. Battery size and capacity? Motor supplier and horsepower? Any mods required? Is he still partnered with E-Motion? Etc… Otherwise it’s like other spectator sports where ignorant fans just watch and cheer and don’t know or care about the vehicles being raced. S&F shouldn’t be the place for the ignorant racing fan, disinterested in the boat and its propulsion.

E-Motion are the ones that only sell 5 knot displacement hull boats to the public. They have a $100k, 180hp outboard and battery good for about 20 minutes at full power, but you and I can’t buy it. They only sell that power option to OEMs.

I think Shaun’s last year run was with modified 180’s that could do 360 each for a short burst, before having to throttle back to 300’ish if I remember his video right. He didn’t say, but I presume that was to reduce the risk of a lithium fire from too high a sustained discharge rate. Will be interesting to find out what they have changed if anything, this time around. Maybe some custom mods like more robust cooling so they full throttle for longer? Or a cu$tom battery pack, though I shudder to think what that would cost.

Do report back what you see out there. And share any Shaun videos that crop up.

-Peter

[Chaz]

Well Shaun Torrente is testing to up the Electric record this week at the Ozarks in his new boat. Nice to see some are working on stuff, not keyboard bitching. See ya at the shootout.

A one boat class ... and you call it a record.

Sorry to tell ya Jr. But when you hear the truth and it goes against the leftard narrative .. it's not bitchin, it's a reality check ..

Good luck this weekend. Ohh wait, you just a railbird gawkin yur own self ..

[NICE PAIR]

There might be some cheap deals in china

[pcrussell50]

A one boat class ... and you call it a record.

Lolwut?

Gonna come clean with my ignorance here about boat racing… Are you saying this is NOT an actual boat speed record, but rather just a battery speed record? All this time I thought it was an absolute record. It was believable to me because it is mathematically possible that a battery boat could set a record in a two-way flying kilometer.

-Peter

[John S]

Well Shaun Torrente is testing to up the Electric record this week at the Ozarks in his new boat. Nice to see some are working on stuff, not keyboard bitching. See ya at the shootout.

Get some pics. Shaun seems like a great guy, good to see him taking a chance on something different/ new. No one can argue his list of accomplishments he's earned, that's for damn sure.

[XstreamVking]

Cool to see happening, but not ever gonna be viable in the real world. Nice experiment, and cool boat!

[pcrussell50]

Cool to see happening, but not ever gonna be viable in the real world. Nice experiment, and cool boat!

Agree. But in a flying kilometer type of event like this, unless I’m missing something, I don’t mathematically see why you couldn’t set an actual record in a battery boat. What is the record speed for outboards in a two-way flying kilometer run like Shaun is doing? Are there other boats there that will be doing the same thing? How fast are they on the same course? (Apologies for my ignorance here)

Obviously a battery boat is not going to set any records, (or even finish the course under it’s own power), in a real full length boat race.

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Get some pics. Shaun seems like a great guy, good to see him taking a chance on something different/ new. No one can argue his list of accomplishments he's earned, that's for damn sure.

I don’t know anything about his boat racing history but he seems affable and charming in his videos. I wish he would share more tech about the battery and motor and cooling and why he had to throttle back… You know, real racer talk, and not just PR talk. But NASAR drivers these days seem to do the same thing… Talk in platitudes and not any race tech. Probably comes from being groomed by sponsors. So I can’t blame Shaun for a little truth-shading either.

-Peter

[CUDA]

Your right you don't understand, that the kilo run is easy compared to the Shootout

Because the timmed run lets you string it out for a long ways, before you start, lets you run a differnt prop, these guys now have a short run to hit top speed which is much harder to do with a short course,

Running a 32 foot boat.