electric catamaran boat to set world record

[PanRonnie]

Breaks even at 13500 miles?
Hmmm


Repair should indeed be lower yet they are not


A fender bender on a tesla will give a ridicoulous repair bill because of all the sensors on the car
Removing that crap would go a long way
If you want a self driving car put it on a train car

[CUDA]

RR .. ya lost me @ give it a break ..

Is it true they call her Zesty Stacy ... axin for a friend ..

For the zombie hate America team that needs to be reminded ... yet again

More bull****, like always Rumpsters love lies...

The dealership scammed a kid. He just had a scrape on the battery cover plate.

https://youtu.be/dr3mFzh0KSk

This was in Canada. The actual price for a new battery was $22,000. American, which was not needed in the first place

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/h...nt-226272.html

Dealership doubles the price for Insurance.

One good thing that happened was Hyundai sent a notice to all dealerships that Corporate wants to know about every incident with

Batteries so this does not happen again,

Stealerships steal.

[powerabout]

That's the responsibility of the developer owner operator, most of the 20-30 year old machines are useless compared to today efficiency and capacity factors show this in lower class wind. You can can't compare that old stuff to today's designs which are for the most part are being accepted by the best manufacturers for correct end use recycling and disposal when time comes.

Bats too, plenty of new facilities for that purpose.

Should add on ebikes, they're great if you were into cycling and later had issues that prevent strenuous exercise. Buy the good quality certification bikes , batteries have be starting fires in houses, garages , on public transportation vehicles, everywhere.

Can you explain recycling of blades, I dont think its invented yet.
You know when it is as boats will be recycled

[CUDA]

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories...es-be-recycled


https://youtu.be/X-5fDLskeTg


https://youtu.be/HzQShAlObn8?si=56mkdYXnxgAW2ap4

[David]

Break even at 13,500 miles is the lowest estimate that I have seen, from the Argonne National Laboratory. It might be true for me. I would have a smallish 77 kwh battery pack and charge at night using electricity that is 100% nuclear or hydro generated (true for Ontario)

Autoweek estimated break even at 19,000 miles
Ford estimated break even at 1.3.-1.6 years, depending upon vehicle. The average car in the US goes 13,500 miles, so Ford is saying 17,750-21,600 miles
Volvo estimated 30,000 miles using 0% fossil fuel electricity generation, 48,000 mile using the current EU electricity mix
Its interesting how far apart Volvo and Ford are
The National Observer (Canadian news site) estimated lifetime ICE car emissions at 80 tons, and lifetime EV emissions at 13 tons. They assumed 7.8 liters/100 km fuel economy (30 mpg), a 70 kwh battery pack, and 314,000 km (195,000 miles) vehicle life. The report noted that batteries would likely outlast the car and could possibly be repurposed for electricity storage.

I cannot find an estimate of 80,000 mile break even, but I know how to do it. Assume a big battery pack. Everyone wants a lot of range, but a lot of range means a big battery and a lot of initial CO2 emissions. Its possible that the GM Hummer CO2 break even point is never. My view is that if someone wanted to minimize their C02 emissions and could not live without big range, a hybrid is a better option then pure EV.

The big variables in estimating payback are fuel efficiency (yes it matters for EVs), battery size, and how the electricity is made.

At the risk of returning to the original topic, my expectation is that the CO2 break even point for an EV boat is never. At least with current technology, pun intended. But it's fun to see what is possible.

[David]

A fender bender on an F150 could result in a $5000 bill just for the tail light

https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles...50-taillights/

Its possible that current vehicles are overly complex.

[powerabout]

The only thing an EV can do without argument is remove pollution from a city.
If that was true ( which it is) the gov would have forced/subsidized all taxi services to convert right?

[PanRonnie]

A fender bender on an F150 could result in a $5000 bill just for the tail light

https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles...50-taillights/

Its possible that current vehicles are overly complex.

I believe you just made my case, to elaborate
My before mentioned christmas lights on the dashboard of my Q7 were due to a broken brake assist servo inside the vacuum brake enhancer which also took out my ABS unit
Total repair bill € 5500,- after the steering wheel column replacement begin 2023 last year was not a shining one
And offcourse the electrical fuel cap opener stopped working
Enough is enough ty rips work
That you can build things that last is proven by toyota

[Instigator]

https://www.tradeonlytoday.com/tech/...tric-outboards

[David]

Small world, I've met Mike Sweers from the Toyota video above. He would not remember me. The Toyota truck in the video is old and relatively simple. Newer Toyotas are also more complex. But if I had to bet on a vehicle lasting a long time, I'd go Toyota.

[PanRonnie]

Simple is good!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

[Instigator]

Hertz just announced they are unloading 20,000 battery cars and replacing them w/gas.

Hummmmmm, what could they possibly be seeing ��

[CUDA]

Tesla started a price war last year, and everyone who had an EV lost lots of Value,

My brother was just about to sell his 6 year old S and he lost around $20,000 because they dropped the high end car a LOT I'm

talking about the New X and S models dropped almost $ 20,000.

So the bean counters say EVs don't hold their value, very untrue, before Tesla's big price dropped values stayed very high.

Growing Pains and nothing more,







It's been three years...

https://winknews.com/2020/08/25/fire...ed-accidental/

From what I read, It's not normal wear and tear maintenance cost, those are lower, but drivers are more prone to front-end.

accidents. with EVS and those cost are higher,

When I'm at a stop light on my 1400 Kawasaki bike and there is a Tesla next to me I

have a 50 % chance he wants to race, that doesn't happen with other cars but many Tesla drivers are game. If they have a twin

motor model, they become racers...

Tesla's are known to accelerate quickly and have poor brakes



Can't get insurance money from EVs

[powerabout]

https://boatingindustry.com/top-news...576C2190245A8R
Will they turn up in freedom boating or just for a few months then they get the Hertz reality moment?

"Its the battery Dummy"

[PanRonnie]

https://boatingindustry.com/top-news...576C2190245A8R
Will they turn up in freedom boating or just for a few months then they get the Hertz reality moment?

"Its the battery Dummy"

Stupidity is going to kill us long before the climate will
Global warming is not all bad