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    Quote Originally Posted by powerabout View Post
    I grew up with both living half way between the UK and USA
    I hate metric fasteners/sockets and their lack of standards to fudge things to fit, but love measuring things in metric when it suits.
    piston clearance, thou
    6 inches and a foot not 150 and 300mm
    4 x 2 or 2 x 4 has the yanks call it
    Tanks measurements and volumes, metric
    weight, metric
    pressure , imperial unless its something where bar makes sense
    degrees, not radians
    lph or US gph and UK gph
    fuel still gets loaded in planes in either lbs or kg
    I think Boeings are still 100% imperial

    Merc and BRP have changed to metric on all new engines i am pretty sure
    GM Ford etc I guess are fully changed
    dont forget some shaft sizes have been metric all along as the bearings have been metric
    Metric countrys havent won any wars and metric engines dont hold any speed records, is that still true?
    Metric means socialism and imperial means freedom
    ...After a disastrous World War 1 replacement equipment fitment & communications problem, the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) created a "standard" fastener sizing for everything mechanical, produced here in the U.S...mostly out of Detroit. Problem solved for everything manufactured for domestic use, and for going into World War ll. Not to mention standardizing all hydraulic hose sizes & hose end fittings, with "AN" flare angles, etc. AN means Army Navy. Everything in war then became "serviceable" & replacable.

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    So—— just Where do “POSIDRIVES” fit into all this———— we still have PHILLIPS and POSIDRIVES to this day——— plus a couple of chinky Cross heads that doesn’t conform to anything except buggering up both bits as well as the guilty Screw!
    Hexagonal screws, and threaded bolts have been tried without mega success———- every so often I come across. “A New Experience in fastening”. Which, unless you have the correct bit——— which is worn out and useless, long before you finished the box of screws.we are not going anywhere soon!

    Anyway back to today and the Tricks I got up to ? Where to begin? I feel I must have done “FAMILY” days before in my life, but for the life in me, I can’t remember the last one. I’ve always been far to busy getting on with my own life to stop and jump the train of life for a “FAMILY” get together! Then one day in my eighty sixth year——- I did just that!
    Was amazed to find I’d had five children——- who gave me eleven grandchildren——— who have produced eleven great grandchildren——- yes, I can tell you the name of each and every one of them, how crazy is that ?
    I nearly did not go to the gathering at the TITCH———- but glad I did in the end!
    So today I took a day off with the intention of spending some time with Craig———- I needed to know just what they were up to——— which way they were headed——- just how good they were in today’s world of carbons and composites———- itnever happened.
    Ten hours on the beach, perfect summers day——- playing Boules, Cricket, American football——- hosepipe on full chat, soaking kids and adults all day long.
    seven bottles of TATTINGER “ four bottles of MOËT and lots of red and white wine washed down the non stop supply of fodder for the family.
    Never got my nap ——- or the Quality time I wanted with Craig———- Family time Took over the day.Tomorrow is Craigs last day before he heads back to Florida and I take off to the south of France——- so Monday is our last chance for a face to face.
    Does it matter ? ——— probably not——— but once I’ve got a bee in my bonnet———— it’s like the crabs——— hard to get rid of.
    So, there’s a thousand pictures of ALL members of the WILSON clan cavorting on the beach——- Craig took Simons shorts off him and ran down the beach with Simon in naked full flight——— don’t doubt the pictures will hit Facebook before the days out..
    Came home exhausted——— happy——- disappointed—— wonder how many folk get a Family day in their life——- with everyone in one place at the same time.
    Take a look at when you last did it ——— you may get a shock !

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUJIMO View Post
    ...After a disastrous World War 1 replacement equipment fitment & communications problem, the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) created a "standard" fastener sizing for everything mechanical, produced here in the U.S...mostly out of Detroit. Problem solved for everything manufactured for domestic use, and for going into World War ll. Not to mention standardizing all hydraulic hose sizes & hose end fittings, with "AN" flare angles, etc. AN means Army Navy. Everything in war then became "serviceable" & replacable.
    That-was all very well in the USA Fuji———- but the rest of the world is a big place——— Europe , except for England were using METRIC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    ...Europe , except for England were using METRIC.
    What was England using again, I forget?

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    So—— just Where do “POSIDRIVES” fit into all this———— we still have PHILLIPS and POSIDRIVES to this day——— plus a couple of chinky Cross heads that doesn’t conform to anything except buggering up both bits as well as the guilty Screw!
    Hexagonal screws, and threaded bolts have been tried without mega success———- every so often I come across. “A New Experience in fastening”. Which, unless you have the correct bit——— which is worn out and useless, long before you finished the box of screws.we are not going anywhere soon!

    Anyway back to today and the Tricks I got up to ? Where to begin? I feel I must have done “FAMILY” days before in my life, but for the life in me, I can’t remember the last one. I’ve always been far to busy getting on with my own life to stop and jump the train of life for a “FAMILY” get together! Then one day in my eighty sixth year——- I did just that!
    Was amazed to find I’d had five children——- who gave me eleven grandchildren——— who have produced eleven great grandchildren——- yes, I can tell you the name of each and every one of them, how crazy is that ?
    I nearly did not go to the gathering at the TITCH———- but glad I did in the end!
    So today I took a day off with the intention of spending some time with Craig———- I needed to know just what they were up to——— which way they were headed——- just how good they were in today’s world of carbons and composites———- itnever happened.
    Ten hours on the beach, perfect summers day——- playing Boules, Cricket, American football——- hosepipe on full chat, soaking kids and adults all day long.
    seven bottles of TATTINGER “ four bottles of MOËT and lots of red and white wine washed down the non stop supply of fodder for the family.
    Never got my nap ——- or the Quality time I wanted with Craig———- Family time Took over the day.Tomorrow is Craigs last day before he heads back to Florida and I take off to the south of France——- so Monday is our last chance for a face to face.
    Does it matter ? ——— probably not——— but once I’ve got a bee in my bonnet———— it’s like the crabs——— hard to get rid of.
    So, there’s a thousand pictures of ALL members of the WILSON clan cavorting on the beach——- Craig took Simons shorts off him and ran down the beach with Simon in naked full flight——— don’t doubt the pictures will hit Facebook before the days out..
    Came home exhausted——— happy——- disappointed—— wonder how many folk get a Family day in their life——- with everyone in one place at the same time.
    Take a look at when you last did it ——— you may get a shock !

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUJIMO View Post
    ...After a disastrous World War 1 replacement equipment fitment & communications problem, the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) created a "standard" fastener sizing for everything mechanical, produced here in the U.S...mostly out of Detroit. Problem solved for everything manufactured for domestic use, and for going into World War ll. Not to mention standardizing all hydraulic hose sizes & hose end fittings, with "AN" flare angles, etc. AN means Army Navy. Everything in war then became "serviceable" & replacable.
    how do you explain AN, SAE and JIC hydraulic fittings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    So—— just Where do “POSIDRIVES” fit into all this———— we still have PHILLIPS and POSIDRIVES to this day——— plus a couple of chinky Cross heads that doesn’t conform to anything except buggering up both bits as well as the guilty Screw!
    Hexagonal screws, and threaded bolts have been tried without mega success———- every so often I come across. “A New Experience in fastening”. Which, unless you have the correct bit——— which is worn out and useless, long before you finished the box of screws.we are not going anywhere soon!

    Anyway back to today and the Tricks I got up to ? Where to begin? I feel I must have done “FAMILY” days before in my life, but for the life in me, I can’t remember the last one. I’ve always been far to busy getting on with my own life to stop and jump the train of life for a “FAMILY” get together! Then one day in my eighty sixth year——- I did just that!
    Was amazed to find I’d had five children——- who gave me eleven grandchildren——— who have produced eleven great grandchildren——- yes, I can tell you the name of each and every one of them, how crazy is that ?
    I nearly did not go to the gathering at the TITCH———- but glad I did in the end!
    So today I took a day off with the intention of spending some time with Craig———- I needed to know just what they were up to——— which way they were headed——- just how good they were in today’s world of carbons and composites———- itnever happened.
    Ten hours on the beach, perfect summers day——- playing Boules, Cricket, American football——- hosepipe on full chat, soaking kids and adults all day long.
    seven bottles of TATTINGER “ four bottles of MOËT and lots of red and white wine washed down the non stop supply of fodder for the family.
    Never got my nap ——- or the Quality time I wanted with Craig———- Family time Took over the day.Tomorrow is Craigs last day before he heads back to Florida and I take off to the south of France——- so Monday is our last chance for a face to face.
    Does it matter ? ——— probably not——— but once I’ve got a bee in my bonnet———— it’s like the crabs——— hard to get rid of.
    So, there’s a thousand pictures of ALL members of the WILSON clan cavorting on the beach——- Craig took Simons shorts off him and ran down the beach with Simon in naked full flight——— don’t doubt the pictures will hit Facebook before the days out..
    Came home exhausted——— happy——- disappointed—— wonder how many folk get a Family day in their life——- with everyone in one place at the same time.
    Take a look at when you last did it ——— you may get a shock !
    Phillips should be binned
    posi everytime

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerabout View Post
    how do you explain AN, SAE and JIC hydraulic fittings?
    ...I thought I already did. I covered that under "etc." lol ...SAE and JIC are simply the two different flare angles available in the AN fittings series, no matter what material they are made out of. Be it steel, aluminum, brass, nickle plated brass, etc. All available nowadays via Aeroquip(now Eaton-Aeroquip), Parker, Brasscraft, and many other manufactures.
    Last edited by FUJIMO; 06-10-2018 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUJIMO View Post
    ...I thought I already did. I covered that under "etc." lol ...SAE and JIC are simply the two different flare angles available in the AN fittings series, no matter what material they are made out of. Be it steel, aluminum, brass, nickle plated brass, etc. All available nowadays via Aeroquip(now Eaton-Aeroquip), Parker, Brasscraft, and many other manufactures.
    I have never heard that AN is the standard and SAE and JIC are part of that?
    JIC is part of the SAE standard.
    AN only really exists in aircraft/military stuff and hence moved into hot rod stuff.
    You never hear the term AN when dealing with hydraulic machinery anywhere in the world.
    ( metric hydraulic fittings are horrible and the way they do things, yes AN is the simplest system and would be great if that was the only standard)
    Last edited by powerabout; 06-11-2018 at 03:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUJIMO View Post
    ...I thought I already did. I covered that under "etc." lol ...SAE and JIC are simply the two different flare angles available in the AN fittings series, no matter what material they are made out of. Be it steel, aluminum, brass, nickle plated brass, etc. All available nowadays via Aeroquip(now Eaton-Aeroquip), Parker, Brasscraft, and many other manufactures.
    I have never heard that AN is the standard and SAE and JIC are part of that?
    AN only really exists in aircraft/military stuff and hence moved into hot rod stuff.
    You never hear the term AN when dealing with hydraulic machinery anywhere in the world.

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    Pozidriv





    Screws with the Pozidriv head.


    The Pozidriv (sometimes incorrectly spelled "Pozidrive") is an improved version of the Phillips screw drive. It is designated "Type IA" by ANSI standards.[6]
    The Pozidriv was patented by GKN Screws and Fasteners in 1962.[20][21] It was specifically designed to allow more torque to be applied and greater engagement than Phillips drives. As a result, the Pozidriv is less likely to cam out.[10][22][23][24] It is similar to, and compatible with, the Supadriv screw drive.[25]
    Pozidriv screwdrivers are often designated using the letters "PZ" followed by a size code of 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 (in order of increasing size).[10] The numbers do not necessarily correspond to nominal screw size numbers.
    Pozidriv screws have a set of radial indentations (tick marks) set at 45° from the main cross recess on the head of the screw, which makes them visually distinct from Phillips screws.[10]
    While a Phillips screwdriver has angled (tapered) flanks, a pointed tip, and rounded corners, a Pozidriv screwdriver has straight-sided (square edge) flanks, a blunt tip, and additional smaller ribs at 45° to the main slots. The manufacturing process for Pozidriv screwdriver bits is therefore more complex than that for Phillips: while a Phillips screwdriver bit can be manufactured by cutting four simple slots, the Pozidriv screwdriver tip requires two machining processes at right angles for each slot.
    Pozidriv and Phillips are broadly interchangeable, but may cause damage if incorrectly used. While Pozidriv screwdrivers fit Phillips screws, they may slip or tear out the Phillips screw head. Conversely, while Phillips screwdrivers will loosely fit and turn Pozidriv screws, they will cam out if enough torque is applied, potentially damaging the screw head or screwdriver.[10][22]

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerabout View Post
    Well folks——- remember you heard it on this show first——-everything you ever wanted to know about screws !
    You have to admit, we do have contributors with a vast amount of knowledge in worldly matters——- when Fujimo and the Pilgrim get into it, better watch out ! Sparks can fly.
    I reckon Powerabout has shares in POSIDRIV , but it’s all good clean fun.

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    The world would be a better place if phillips screws and the screwdrivers disappeared
    Last edited by powerabout; 06-11-2018 at 03:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerabout View Post
    The world would be a better place if phillips screws disappeared
    Now that’s not very nice is it Pilgrim?—— next you’ll be wanting hookers, priests,viagra and Jonrudes to disappear——— world might be a better place without them——- but somebody somewhere would miss them madly!

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