Tuff Boat on Long Island

**baja200merk** · 08-02-2015, 07:37 PM

A stock (key word

) 3.4l g1 from brp makes 278hp at the prop. The mods required to take it over 300 (are easy) but require porting and a fuel map that no dealer in the world has nor could they install it even if they did have it. No dealer can change a map and a 300hp g1 etec does not exist. Period.

I forget who posted it years ago. But that old superboat on long island ran a 250ho 88mph on the rev limiter. A bigger prop would put it in the mid 90s but the owner didn't care.

Im expecting the Tuff to bust 90 with ease.

**vnemous** · 08-02-2015, 07:41 PM

So a 250HO makes close to the same hp as a 300? We havn't had a 300 on our dyno yet so I cant comment on what they make.

**baja200merk** · 08-02-2015, 09:50 PM

250ho and 300 Powerhead is identical, map is identical, heads are identical. Difference between them is the stickers on the cowl. I have 2011-2013 3.4 250ho and 300 in various stages of assembly and condition

if you order a sleeve (I ordered one of the first 2012 3.4 sleeve advance ever made 2 yrs ago) they are identical as well.

For example A 225HO has 225ho decals and dh model number but the map version is 250 clear as day on the diag.

**Dirk Pitt** · 08-03-2015, 07:28 AM

yesterday Joey and I started getting the Tuff ready for raybo, removed the rigging hoses, wired tied everything out of the way, this is my guess, the construction of the boat increadable, but Im starting to think that in order to go north of 90 Im going to have to leave the back seat out, a race hatch would be cool, maybe next year, we will look for any excess weight, but I dont think there is any,the two front seats are beautiful but heavy, i had one of those wing seats Tuff uses in my hands, they are at least half the weight maybe more, i wonder who makes them?, so next stop Raybo boy you have to give it to Superboat a light bench seat, and front seats that weigh nothing, he really understood the weight concept

**2.5-21** · 08-03-2015, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dirk Pitt

yesterday Joey and I started getting the Tuff ready for raybo, removed the rigging hoses, wired tied everything out of the way, this is my guess, the costruction of the boat increadable, but Im starting to think that in order to go north of 90 Im going to have to leave the back seat out, a race hatch would be cool, maybe next year, we will look for any excess weight, but I dont think there is any,the two front seats are beautiful but heavy, i had one of those wing seats Tuff uses in my hands, they are at least half the weight maybe more, i wonder who makes them?, so next stop Raybo boy you have to give it to Superboat a light bench seat, and front seats that weigh nothing, he really understood the weight concept

Are you going to weigh the boat?

**RBT** · 08-03-2015, 08:06 AM

Tuff, makes the seats. I don't think your going to have any trouble with 90.

**CharlieN** · 08-03-2015, 08:46 AM

One way to address the front seats is to pull the covers and have a splash pulled of the seat structure but build this with materials more conducive to weight savings. Much of the time you will find some thick chopper gun or other crap layups that can easily be built to a third of the weight or less.
This way you can keep the niceness of what you have with minimal weight.

This goes for the rear seating as well, no need for a rear seat to weigh more than 15 to 20 pounds.

**Dirk Pitt** · 08-03-2015, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by RBT

Tuff, makes the seats. I don't think your going to have any trouble with 90.

well getting seats from him, id have a better chance of getting hit by lighting.............. but thank you for the info

**joneill** · 08-03-2015, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dirk Pitt

I hope Merc is reading this, as far as hp joey who is running this show, tells me the G1 makes about 304 hp, he has been talking to BPR tech for some time, he cut his teeth with Evenrudes, but as you know he has been merc's poster child for over 40 years, there was a time when merc came out with a new race motor for the big guys, they went with joey, during that time I must have bought (all New) maybe 15 different variants of their products, and I must say Mercury was always very good to me, whenever I had an issue, but he was the one that pushed me over the edge to go white

Why would Mercury's poster child be pushing BRP's now instead of Mercury? This seems strange to me.
Beautiful boat by the way,

**tres** · 08-03-2015, 07:35 PM

GSBayturkey run 2011. pic,s of my 21 super seats. i,ve had them for 4 years i think.

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i,m sure Tuff,s are carbon fiber light..and maybe a little wider..but.. i,m happy with them!

**Davidlake** · 08-03-2015, 08:09 PM

Why are already loosing weight? Seems that a "good' motor would be first? A VERY up hill battle with the BRP... Way too much variables with the direction you are going( BRP). I know that Merc. has its issues, but what is there other than a Sportmaster? Is the tail wagging the dog? I would differ to the guy that rigged the boat! Every body has the highest esteem for him. JMO I would love to see another MFR. step up with a total package , but it is not now!

**Dirk Pitt** · 08-04-2015, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by joneill

Why would Mercury's poster child be pushing BRP's now instead of Mercury? This seems strange to me.
Beautiful boat by the way,

because it makes sense, and like me were trying to prove a point that make there might be a legitimite alternitive to black, and his roots as a young mechanic was with evenrude

**Dirk Pitt** · 08-04-2015, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Davidlake

Why are already loosing weight? Seems that a "good' motor would be first? A VERY up hill battle with the BRP... Way too much variables with the direction you are going( BRP). I know that Merc. has its issues, but what is there other than a Sportmaster? Is the tail wagging the dog? I would differ to the guy that rigged the boat! Every body has the highest esteem for him. JMO I would love to see another MFR. step up with a total package , but it is not now!

i agree with everything your saying, except the rigger, if anyone can make this happen he can, at the end of the day its a challange, its thinking out of the box, and if all else fails Ill have 5 years of trouble free boating,how bad can that be......it will never be the fasted tuff, the ones that are going in the 100's are very specially boats, this boat is a std layup, example Tuff's jr's blue Tuff with the G2, is carbon viber,infused, carbon viber race hatch, no back seat, lightweight front seats, and Im sure when daddy laid up that boat he pulled every trick out of the book for his son, things that the regular buyer would only get if he really opened his wallet

**Dirk Pitt** · 08-04-2015, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Davidlake

Why are already loosing weight? Seems that a "good' motor would be first? A VERY up hill battle with the BRP... Way too much variables with the direction you are going( BRP). I know that Merc. has its issues, but what is there other than a Sportmaster? Is the tail wagging the dog? I would differ to the guy that rigged the boat! Every body has the highest esteem for him. JMO I would love to see another MFR. step up with a total package , but it is not now!

my plan is the wiring harness will be made to accomidate a merc also, so a quick motor change would be possible,if the BPR is so bad than it goes, I plan on buying a x, in the event this is a total failure.
As far as weight theres really nothing I can do except leave the back seat out during testing,it really weighs a lot, Im going to say this theres nothing like a 21 Superboat, not even a TUFF, yes its beautiful, yes the workmanship is excellent, yes he uses the best materials, bla bla bla,
but unless you have close to 100 G's (thats duplicating a real fast one like the blue one) you just cant beat a 21 Superboat and if you want to know how I come up with that number just ask