15 400R news

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Just curious, how would one solve the overheating at idle issue?


Can we turn on a pump to draw cooling water into the motor?





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[AZMIDLYF]

What would create the overheating issue? Powerhead and gearcases are identical? Midsection plumbing?

[Chaz]

More than stalling. Overheating issues at idle speed as well as NO WARRANTY.

Ron, you had better sit down as well . It seems as if you also missed the memo ..

engineermike
5000 RPM

Originally Posted by Chaz
....It has everything to do with the general public, credit, and warranty periods.



This may come as a shock to you so you might want to sit down. In every arm of powersports and motorsports people throw the warranty out the window, many while still paying a note. Visit any sports car, sxs, atv, pwc, snowmobile, etc forum and you see that the majority of “buzz” is about what people are doing with the brand new stuff that’s most recently released. Hell, there’s an engine modification forum devoted to the 2019+ ford ranger for chrissake! All those paid off and out of factory warranty I suppose? Nope. People modify new stuff inside the warranty period every. Damn. Day. I’m not buying that that’s what’s stopping folks from modifying new outboards.

[engineermike]

Chaz, can you lay out exactly what your point is and what evidence you have to support it? What I’m reading so far, if I’m understanding correctly, proves precisely nothing.

[Chaz]

Well Miguel , it seems I've misplaced my trending charts and graphs from past sales of non warrantied Mercury outboards to the general public over the years.

My past attempts to explain this to you has either fallen on deaf ears, or you were too stupid to understand what I was saying.

Perhaps you would gain better insight by asking Ron why he wrote in caps .. NO WARRANTY

But even then, it will more than likely take you putting your "Shrimphead" up for sale. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when the first buyer ask's : How much WARRANTY does it have left on it .. ???
Truly quantifiable results ...

[engineermike]

I have 3 people in line to buy my “NO WARRANTY” 2018 mustang....and it’s not even up for sale. And POOF, there goes that theory....

Maybe just maybe he got rid of them because there were known problems with those particular motors (bad idle, overheating, water flooded bottom cylinders) and merc wouldn’t fix them so he decided to sell. This is totally different from selling new engines just because they didn’t have a warranty. Furthermore, why would he sell engines because they didn’t have a warranty if he knew they didn’t have a warranty when he purchased new? Your logic doesn’t make sense here.

[David]

I know nothing about the 400R except for the observation that 4 of them on one boat at idle are quieter than my single 200XS. The pictured 400Rs and others idled for quite a while. Maybe they were overheating. Maybe it's colder in Canada.

[Chaz]

I have 3 people in line to buy my “NO WARRANTY” 2018 mustang....and it’s not even up for sale. And POOF, there goes that theory....

Only a fool counts his chickens before they hatch ..

Maybe just maybe he got rid of them because there were known problems with those particular motors (bad idle, overheating, water flooded bottom cylinders) and merc wouldn’t fix them so he decided to sell. This is totally different from selling new engines just because they didn’t have a warranty. Furthermore, why would he sell engines because they didn’t have a warranty if he knew they didn’t have a warranty when he purchased new? Your logic doesn’t make sense here.

You continue to put words in my mouth. Stop being an idiot, I said it took 91 pages to find a civilian with a 15" shrimpy on their boat. Then listed a few basic reasons why the majority of buyers don't buy that type of motor. Nothing more - nothing less.

I won't even go into your speculation and absurd text that has nothing to do with me or anything I said.

Perhaps you should learn basic communication and association skills because it's pretty clear you have a difficult time with who said what ... sad

[engineermike]

Only a fool counts his chickens before they hatch ..

Ok fine....but my last vehicle was the same...2 years old, no warranty due to mods...had 2 people in line for it and sold it well above book value with the new owner grinning ear to ear. I’m not sure why you can’t get your head around this.

The warranty is something but it isn’t everything and a large portion of performance-minded folks will gladly flush it for a performance improvement. That’s all I’m saying and there are literally tens of thousands of examples.

And as to lack of sales of the 15” 400ros quite clearly has mostly to do with the fact that it costs double what a 400r does with the main difference being 5” shorter mid. It’s quite obvious merc intended the ros to be used for racing and not for civies.

[JPEROG]

I know nothing about the 400R except for the observation that 4 of them on one boat at idle are quieter than my single 200XS. The pictured 400Rs and others idled for quite a while. Maybe they were overheating. Maybe it's colder in Canada.

Those are the consumer version and are very well mannered. The Race Offshore models have a billet 15" midsection and look like this.



Joe

[Chaz]

Ok fine....but my last vehicle was the same...2 years old, no warranty due to mods...had 2 people in line for it and sold it well above book value with the new owner grinning ear to ear. I’m not sure why you can’t get your head around this.

The warranty is something but it isn’t everything and a large portion of performance-minded folks will gladly flush it for a performance improvement. That’s all I’m saying and there are literally tens of thousands of examples.

And as to lack of sales of the 15” 400ros quite clearly has mostly to do with the fact that it costs double what a 400r does with the main difference being 5” shorter mid. It’s quite obvious merc intended the ros to be used for racing and not for civies.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up your grandmothers Edsel. I come from the car world myself, different deal. They will race their daily transportation, but won't touch their boat motor. Maybe most folks can't swim .. I don't know .. I don't wanna be like you ... and speculate

I think where your confuzed is that you read the comic books, take what a small percentage of people are doing. Make a mess of things and are then somehow "entitled" to have it covered under wty even if it's long expired. BoBumba is no longer POTUS and the **** didn't win , but you won't have to worry about that.
Because for as much as you preach that people don't care about their wty over a performance increase ....

Please show us the receipts and pictures of all the Hi-Po stuff you have on your Verado .. !

Waiting .....

[engineermike]

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up your grandmothers Edsel. I come from the car world myself, different deal.

Lets see here, you said that no warranty kills the resale value. I pointed out that it might reduce it but it's just one thing and other factors can overcome the difference. I have data and presented it. You asked for it, so I answered. I like how you said I was counting my chickens before they hatched, but when I showed you chickens you suddenly switched to "it doesn't matter".

They will race their daily transportation, but won't touch their boat motor. Maybe most folks can't swim .. I don't know .. I don't wanna be like you ... and speculate

Ah, but you do speculate. You clearly believe they don't touch the boat motor because they are scared of losing the warranty. Funny you bring up swimming, though, as there's a very active forum full of folks who don't mind modifying their brand new $20k+ PWC's and tossing the warranty on those as well. Heck, I did that too! One difference is that the 2-stroke guys aren't constantly berating the 4-strokes, so productive discussion ensues.

...take what a small percentage of people are doing. Make a mess of things and are then somehow "entitled" to have it covered under wty even if it's long expired.

Who said anything about being entitled to warranty coverage after it expired? That's another straw-man argument.

Because for as much as you preach that people don't care about their wty over a performance increase ....

Please show us the receipts and pictures of all the Hi-Po stuff you have on your Verado .. !

Waiting .....

You've actually brought this full-circle to my original point. Thanks for that. As I've explained before....I would be willing to toss the warranty on the 400R....done it plenty of times before on more expensive equipment. But in every case, there was a healthy aftermarket and an active forum of folks trying things and proving them. Show me some dyno graphs or before/after data for a PCM flash on a 400R. Show me where someone pioneered it and proved it out. I'm game once I see sufficient favorable data. I won't be the guinea pig, though....that's a bridge too far. This has been my point all along. Certain members of this forum feel the need to crap all over 4-stroke performance discussions which is stifling innovation and experimentation and the site itself for future growth. I can only speculate as to why those folks want to kill every discussion regarding what is obviously the future of the hobby.

[Whaaaaat]

Certain members of this forum feel the need to crap all over 4-stroke performance discussions which is stifling innovation and experimentation and the site itself for future growth. I can only speculate as to why those folks want to kill every discussion regarding what is obviously the future of the hobby.[/QUOTE]

The 4joke is what's stifling innovation and experimentation, not those who see that it's set this hobby back 20 years. If 4 joke is the future then the future looks boring and expensive. Go back to designing cereal boxes.

[engineermike]

Whaaaaat thanks for proving my point once again.

[Chaz]

I'm not going to give you the road map to Verado performance .