Tricks that old racers get up to after retirement

[olboatman]

...What a nice little score that is...

In my world I would call this a BIG score!!! lol Gary

[jackiewilson]

Now we have meat in the sandwich and we're cooking with gas!
I have seen Willabee working on a C6 and there never were many of them.
Fuji------you ever have anything to do with High Perf ? Or are you just "Enthusiastic" ?

Grandson Craig is racing the P1 Geico number 09 today-------be interesting to see how he does, Dads over here for Daughter SAMs 50th birthday bash!

[taco vonk]

Hi,
I cleaned some places of the motor and found a few numbers { stamped } On the carburater intake manifold { if it is called so ? } is the number F 15. On top of the motor , a flat part close top the flywheel is the number : B.3871040.T Also there is a kind of "starr" with number 2 in it , a circle with number 1 and a square with number 2. Hope this is useful information.
Taco.

[jackiewilson]

I'm sure Willabee can tell you date of manufacture, who assembled it, where it went to, who and where it was raced.

[jackiewilson]

Thats me done for the weekend, all three boats nearly done--------another hour and I'm off to the party. Shut the shop up, pools half full-----24 degrees forecast for tomorrow------why do I always leave things to the last minute.
Thread should liven up a bit with Willa and Taco banging on about long lost C6/s.
If anyone hears any results from the P1 races-----give me a call, Craig sure as hell won't let me know!

[jackiewilson]

Not a "Good day at the races" For Craig---------threw a blade off the prop in the first heat------leading the second heat when the race was stopped-------jumped the gun in the third-------bad day! Roll on Sarasota in two weeks!
Left the party at 11pm, nice to see the gathering of the clans but modern day bands don't really thrill me any more--------maybe as Fuji says it's an age related thing !
By midnight I was in my own bed planning the next "Concept" but when I woke this morning, damned if I can remember what it was ?
We have the first really hot day due today 25/6 C, pool ready just in time.

[jackiewilson]

Never did remember what the hell it was I thought of in the first place-------wandered into the shop, picked up a 3"x 2" x 10" .billet of alloy, turned it around, drew a couple of lines, dissected it and Voila. ------we got ourselves a pair of V6 T5/s

[jackiewilson]

Aw, Bugger it, let's just say it's a T6 and be done-----half a dozen stacks with it-----lets see what the transpires over the next couple of days, blood snot and iron filings------anything can happen!

[jackiewilson]

Cooking with gas again, swimming pool looks like it belongs to somebody ------
T6X coming along strong----------got some serious decibel pipes out there!
Course the six is the second of the futuristic ground breaking technology lumpifications, next up was the T8X, then the legendary T10X, and of course the eye watering T12XXX, see how these first two models turn out afore I venture further up the field of long lost history!!!

[willabee]

Hi,
I cleaned some places of the motor and found a few numbers { stamped } On the carburater intake manifold { if it is called so ? } is the number F 15. On top of the motor , a flat part close top the flywheel is the number : B.3871040.T Also there is a kind of "starr" with number 2 in it , a circle with number 1 and a square with number 2. Hope this is useful information.
Taco.

Taco, you found the one I was hoping might be there! The B.3871040.T. tells me it was originally built at Merc Racing in Oshkosh which was designated Plant #38, in 1971 and was the 40th to be built there!

[taco vonk]

Thanks Bill, I am very pleased it is an original one. Some say Vieser was always putting parts together. Probably one of my better deals as the seller didn`t know what he was selling and I didn`t know what I was buying! Now I need to find the missing parts to make it a complete motor.
Taco.

[Bob V]

Taco, you found the one I was hoping might be there! The B.3871040.T. tells me it was originally built at Merc Racing in Oshkosh which was designated Plant #38, in 1971 and was the 40th to be built there!

Bill - Do you have any recollection of the number of C6's that were built and how many of those had the Morgan carbs?

[Bob V]

Taco - Sounds like you found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

You are from my family's home town. My ancestors immigrated here from Amsterdam in the mid 1800's. I hope to be able to go there and visit some time in the near future.

Regards,
Bob Van Bomel

[willabee]

Bill - Do you have any recollection of the number of C6's that were built and how many of those had the Morgan carbs?

No, I don't know how many were built, but in order to be a C6, it had to have Morgan carbs.

The first was a 1350 with a bulbous exhaust manifold, built by Ted Morgan's engineering group in Fond du Lac. It ran in the Berlin 6 Hour in 1970 and never again to my recollection.
If memory serves, Morgan's group built the next few and we ran them with a single pipe exhaust system at Havasu in 1970 and again at Parker in 1971. We started building them after that without the open exhaust and that is when we would have started assigning Plant #38 serial numbers.

I'm thinking that we started building the 1400 C6 about mid year 71. Half a dozen for the Miami race and more for Paris and Havasu. So the thing that's a little hard to understand is that by Paris, maybe as many as 20 had been built, but there were only about 10 or so still assembled. Failures, flips. etc. had destroyed a few blocks. These weren't like the rotaries where they only had six racing motors (cranks) and cowling for four (or numbers something like that). The number of C6's that could be built and running at the same time was controlled by the number of intake manifolds and carb sets that had been produced.

The most that were ever assembled at the same time was probably about twenty. We had them on all 10 team boats for the first time for the February, 1972 Miami 225. We probably had 5 or six spares in the parts truck. There were probably another 4 or 5 at Molinari's shop in Italy at that same time.

[Bob V]

Bill - Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I was under the misconception all these years that all the inline 6 cylinder - 6 carburetor engines were considered C6's. I had a TII with the 6 Tillotson carbs and always thought that it was a C6. I assumed the the C6 designation was for 6 carbs and not for Morgan carbs only. Thanks