Tuff Boat on Long Island

[Dirk Pitt]

So what exactly did the founder and owner of Tuff Boats (Mark W) do that was so bad?

Did he advertise the used 28 footer demo boat as being for sale and then, after you flew up to Canada to sea trial the used 28 and decided you liked it, tell you he would not sell it to you and would only be able to build you a brand new 28 at twice the price?

no thats not what happened, and Im sorry I have decided not to verbalize the events and details on this forum, like i said anyone can pm me and I will provide my number )although i have discussed this with Greg, who supports me in any efforts i would have taken to expose his business practice's,My intention with the "shots" is pruely for educational purposes, If I have given one potential customer,the heads up, to really do his or hers do diligence, that makes me happy,isn't that part of what we do on this forum? I don't even know you, but if you were going down a path of destruction, I would be remiss, if I didn't wake you up, and say "bro, watch yourself with that guy" so maybe its time to focus on the Evenrude Tuff project, the motor is on route, and its pretty exciting to "TRY" and do something out of the box...

[Greg G]

So what exactly did the founder and owner of Tuff Boats (Mark W) do that was so bad?

Did he advertise the used 28 footer demo boat as being for sale and then, after you flew up to Canada to sea trial the used 28 and decided you liked it, tell you he would not sell it to you and would only be able to build you a brand new 28 at twice the price?

no thats not what happened, and Im sorry I have decided not to verbalize the events and details on this forum, although i have discussed this with Greg, who supports me in any efforts i would have taken to expose his business practice's,My intention with the "shots" is pruely for educational purposes, If I have given one potential customer,the heads up, to really do his or hers do diligence, that makes me happy,isn't that part of what we do on this forum? I don't even know you, but if you were going down a path of destruction, I would be remiss, if I didn't wake you up, and say "bro, watch yourself with that guy" so maybe its time to focus on the Evenrude Tuff project, the motor is on route, and its pretty exciting to "TRY" and do something out of the box...

You have done a lot more than make a statement of "Buyer Beware" with all the word count. You now should just publish the issues as they occurred and then let folks be the judge on an individual basis. I don't know Tuff from a hole in the wall just to be clear to the peeps and always thought there web site looked like it was drawn with crayon. I'm a fan of facts, good or bad and. Just put them out there and then move on toward 95mph in salt.

Full disclosure, I'm half Sicilian and half Québécois and all the boats I've ever owned are beat up and slower than anything that runs in the Canada or the GSB. College tuitions see to that.

[Dirk Pitt]

You have done a lot more than make a statement of "Buyer Beware" with all the word count. You now should just publish the issues as they occurred and then let folks be the judge on an individual basis. I don't know Tuff from a hole in the wall just to be clear to the peeps and always thought there web site looked like it was drawn with crayon. I'm a fan of facts, good or bad and. Just put them out there and then move on toward 95mph in salt.

Full disclosure, I'm half Sicilian and half Québécois and all the boats I've ever owned are beat up and slower than anything that runs in the Canada or the GSB. College tuitions see to that.

I think people should be the judge via there own experience, and im certainly not going to go on the stand, you, or whom ever, can take this info, and do whatever you see fit with it, does it really matter what I say, at the end of the day, i dodged a bullet......back to the thread and the salty 95mph

[pointer]

I think people should be the judge via there own experience, and im certainly not going to go on the stand, you or whom ever can take this info, and do whatever you see fit with it, does it really matter what I say, at the end of the day, i dodged a bullet......back to the thread and the salty 95mph

I for one would be interested in your take on what went down.
I'm having a difficult time sorting out your goal, your decision to buy the Tuff brand, your comments re quality build, yet you repeatedly give jabs to the owner of Tuff. Personally, following this thread because I like what I see of the Tuff boat, and your objective to build a fast reliable SOB. For the amount of jabs to the owner, I think you should state your beef.

Very interested to see how your Tuff turns out, it is a beauty.

pointer
Disclosure - Canadian eh! Haven't seen a Tuff up close and personal, yet...

[Dirk Pitt]

I for one would be interested in your take on what went down.
I'm having a difficult time sorting out your goal, your decision to buy the Tuff brand, your comments re quality build, yet you repeatedly give jabs to the owner of Tuff. Personally, following this thread because I like what I see of the Tuff boat, and your objective to build a fast reliable SOB. For the amount of jabs to the owner, I think you should state your beef.

Very interested to see how your Tuff turns out, it is a beauty.

pointer
Disclosure - Canadian eh! Haven't seen a Tuff up close and personal, yet...

the owner and the quality are two distinct issue, seperate entities, I have repeatly complimented the quality of the boat, what can anyone who has examined a Tuff up close, say? other than the build quality is at its best. I have also stated repeatly anyone interested in my "beef" can Pm me and and I will supply my telephone number, some have, taken that initiative,but thank you for your compliments on the boat, being that your a Canadian "eh" ! im sure your proud that one of the finest constructed boats are manufactured in your beautiful country.....

[Chaz]

Well Dirk ,
Actually I see it as quite a complement that you think I am the one with enough nutz to be the front man for a conspiracy conglomerate.
But the sad truth is , I don't think anyone else saw the "Canadian adventure" as being news worthy enough to form a group. I'm very sorry, but the post came only from my feeble mind. I was bored ..and the last week or so of "pin-ball arcade boat buying" had me curious ..
I also don't really know who the 400R teasing was aimed at. I don't see myself in the position of wanting or being able to afford something like a Jupiter 31' or 36' Dakota to hang two or three of em off of , so I didn't really pay attention or skipped over that part.
Ollie/Ralph-Frances Langford/OMC/has been a big part of the county I live in. More so than just the test center.
BRP , not so much .. but for you , you can truthfully claim to have a "North American" produced boat and motor combination .
I am glad to see you are leaning twords posting of the rigging and testing of your new undertaking . If the rest of the story is as dramatic as just the purchasing of a hull , I might wind up owing you one of them N.Y. City street vendor pretzel's after all ...

[Dirk Pitt]

Chaz
Im elated that you find what I say complimentory, I must disagree with your claim of you having a feeble mind, I find you sharp as a tack,and Im elated that Im able to provide some entertainment for you during your periods of boredom,
yes its always an adventure when one travels out of the country, I dont know about you, but the boat purchasing experience is never a "pinball archade" experience,for me, I usualy initiate that process based on the integrity of the seller, to be truthful, and forth coming with all the details of the transaction,
thats a interesting observation on your part that I have a "North American boat motor combination" thats very observant,
trust me there was no drama with my purchase of the 21 from John Mcknight, the purchase of the boat from him has afforded me the opportunity to find a "brother from another mother", so even though the "Canadian adventure" Turned out to be detestable,but how fortunite I am, I ended up with a beautiful boat and trailer, and more importantly a friend for life, what a combination

[Greg G]

Did you pay Superboat Coen to let you use that scale of his to weigh the darn hull yet? It sounds like that special contraption could also tell you exactly where the CG is on the Tuff hull with full rigging and interior. You could use my digital scale but you'd have to go get it in Syracuse.

[Dirk Pitt]

Did you pay Superboat Coen to let you use that scale of his to weigh the darn hull yet? It sounds like that special contraption could also tell you exactly where the CG is on the Tuff hull with full rigging and interior. You could use my digital scale but you'd have to go get it in Syracuse.

Not yet the boat is at raybo having the two rigging holes filled as you are aware it originally had s 300x that had 2. Rigging tubes, the g1 will only need one so I figure we start fresh and place it so the tube has a nice bend, I also ordered a I beam aluminum trailer so when it comes I'll swap trailers at that point I'll weigh it, raybo has a overhead lifting rig so I'll pick up s scale at that time, but thank u for the offer to go to Syracuse to borrow your scale
just an observation when were crawling inside we noticed a lot of carbon viber in the layup so it will interesting to actually see how much this particular boat weighs

[Greg G]

Not yet the boat is at raybo having the two rigging holes filled as you are aware it originally had s 300x that had 2 Rigging tubes, the g1 will only need one so I figure we start fresh and place it so the tube has a nice bend, I also ordered a I beam aluminum trailer so when it comes I'll swap trailers at that point I'll weigh it, raybo has a overhead lifting rig so I'll pick up s scale at that time, but thank u for the offer to go to Syracuse to borrow your scale. just an observation when were crawling inside we noticed a lot of carbon viber in the layup so it will interesting to actually see how much this particular boat weighs

Should be interesting to see a layup cross section with the carbon fiber and how it effects the total hull weight. I'm assuming that Tuff bags all there hulls.

[RBT]

No vacuum bagging, all infusion.

[Greg G]

I'm going to guess that the boat will weigh 1347lbs on the scale. That is with all rigging and jackplate plus the full interior installed but no gas in the tank. 1,347 pounds. I'm also going to guess that with the BRP G1 it will end up doing 91.6mph with half tank of gas (is the tank 60 gallons?) and just driver.

1,347 pounds .................................$37k
Evinrude 300 G1 ........................... $19k
Seeing a Unicorn run White ............. Priceless

[DoktorC]

I'm going to guess that the boat will weigh 1347lbs on the scale. That is with all rigging and jackplate plus the full interior installed but no gas in the tank. 1,347 pounds. I'm also going to guess that with the BRP G1 it will end up doing 91.6mph with half tank of gas (is the tank 60 gallons?) and just driver.

1,347 pounds .................................$37k
Evinrude 300 G1 ........................... $19k
Seeing a Unicorn run White ............. Priceless

Hasn't Tuffjr been running a G2 all season? It's 1mph faster than the Hpdi from 12 years ago .

[2.5-21]

Hasn't Tuffjr been running a G2 all season? It's 1mph faster than the Hpdi from 12 years ago .

What does Tuffjr's boat weigh? Not 1347lbs!!

[DoktorC]

What does Tuffjr's boat weigh? Not 1347lbs!!

How much does Dirk's weigh? What does Tuffjr boat weigh? I know the yellow hpdi boat was heavier than both.....

It's not a Unicorn is my point...Unless he's switching to a Scott-Attwater for power lol