Small Rough Water Cats....21 or 25 footer??

[Ghost S84]

Ghost S84, considering the RVC adress the yammi avatar and a "2008" ghost are you perhaps building this boat yourself?[/quote]

Yup my dad is jeff kalibat and we have a 23' in the mold that needs a deck we gonna start building when yard slows down

And for the V hull haters...the cats are without a doubt faster in the FLATS but add in a 3-4 foot chop and a 24 skater gets eaten up by a comparably fast V

[GDM]

in a 3-4 foot chop and a 24 skater gets eaten up by a comparably fast V

when did this happen ?

what 24 foot v bottom with a single outboard can beat dans 24 skater ?

i want proof not theory

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[Ghost S84]

None of you people have a clue how big 2 or 3 foot waves are, you need a 30 foot or larger boat to run over 40 mph in 2 or 3 foot chop. Get out a yard stick right now and get a clue. Stop posting how your boats will eat 2 & 3 foot till you kids grow up.

I dont know about your facts as being true considering my fathers 23' Vbottom was clocked at 63 in 2-3's in the ocean in key west...and his 28' posted an average speed of 72 mph in offshore races and how can that be true if a under 30' boat cant run over 40???????If you know HOW to drive and the BALLS to do it you dont need a 30' boat by any means and he was what 20 years old and a world champion i would consider that a kid...your age dont mean nothing

[Ghost S84]

when did this happen ?

what 24 foot v bottom with a single outboard can beat dans 24 skater ?

i want proof not theory

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WANT PROOF...Watch some Offshore races in actual ROUGH WATER (not a little lake) and watch the Vee's walk through cats of a higher class

[GDM]

WANT PROOF...Watch some Offshore races in actual ROUGH WATER (not a little lake) and watch the Vee's walk through cats of a higher class

what 20 to 25 foot v bottom is superior to a same size cat with the same power? in any conditions


are any 24 foot v bottoms beating 24 foot skaters in offshore racing ? with the same engines of course

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[SpeedDemon]

I can tell you what runs fast in slop and thats a V bottom

I used to run a Superboat 21 on this lake. It would run in it but still beat you up pretty good. But as far as being fun to drive, IMHO, it doesn't touch the Cat.

Speeddemon

[SpeedDemon]

Without a doubt. They are a blast in rough water. Your 22 won't even come close to a comparable ride.

Is that the reason that the trick 21 will beat my 22 dcb? The Mach 22 is very low to the water compared to a Trick.

One thing I've noticed running my Mach 22 with other guys in V's is that I can actually whoop 'em in a wind blown chop and even in a certain amount of slop(crossing wakes etc). I've had guys in 26-28ft Checkmates and Bajas and the like be blown away that I can run with them in certain conditions. guys are getting scared in a 28 and I'm running with them in a 22. Their bouncing around and I'm just flying over it. Theres just a point where I'm done...can't hardly run at all. Plus it scares the crap out of the girls when I run like that.

Still know I want a Cat, just want something a little less nail biting and a little more flexible. That DCB is fun to drive though....don't want to lose that....

Thanks All,

Speeddemon

[Ospreyproduction]

You asked a very realistic question about the comparison of a DCB 22 which is very similar to a 22 Talon. Both have a center pod and the 21 Trick is a true cat. You're not going to carve up the river like the DCB and Talon will do will do but the Trick is a true cat with out the center sponson. It has much more freeboard that the 22 DCB and 22 Talon and handles rough water much better than both of them. You should take a ride in one and try to get into some water that's normal for your area. They are very impressive for being 21 feet.

There is no substitute for length, however you can always find water that will rattle even the biggest offshore boats. It's more about what is normal water for your area.

[Trick Powerboats]

This one!

Or if you want.... the new 26 VooDoo!

Call me or e-mail me with questions.

[lowlifeAE21]

if i were you i would get a twin 24' skater not a 21'. I had a 21' skater and with a 300x it has good top speed but doesn't pull very hard and a bad hole shot. I now have a twin 22' talon and the 21' was a bit better in the rough but what you lose on a bit of rough water you get better turning and no hop. So from my experience i would go 24' skater, 25' liberator or 25' motion for your needs.
just my .02 cents.

[Ghost S84]

what 20 to 25 foot v bottom is superior to a same size cat with the same power? in any conditions


are any 24 foot v bottoms beating 24 foot skaters in offshore racing ? with the same engines of course

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Dude you have to be kidding? Like I said in FLAT water cats will destroy any vee bottom...All I know is that in the offshore circut when you add in a substantial chop the cats CANNOT run fast b/c they stuff in the big seas. The Vee are always faster in the Rough stuff...but ill say it again in the flats the cats will embarrass V's...If you want proof ask any REAL race boat driver and they will tell you the cats are kings of the flats and the V's are kings of the rough stuff...If you doubt that check the video footage and history...any real racer even a KID can tell you that...Like i said before my dad dreamed of rough seas before racing his vee bottom b/c it was then that he had the advantage and it was then that he won 5 offshore world championships in a VEE BOTTOM beating your beloved CATS! they had NO CHANCE! and I have VIDEO FOOTAGE of that taking place and all boats had the same motors

[SnakeBit]

It is not the 1 to 2 foot chop on the 21's or the 2 to 3 foot chop on the 24's. The cross wakes that become part of the chops on the big lakes is what makes it a challenge and gives you all the pounding and possible danger. When you mix the 2 chop and cross wakes you better be sitting in at least a 24 and anybody who says there running all out when these waters get like this are crazy.
A chop is easy to identify but when the crusiers and the wake board boats (I think are the worst) because of there constant turning get in there with the chop Well thank god for the party coves and beer - Hey at what the gas is going to cost this summer there will be alot of us beached and havin fun.

[GDM]

my dad dreamed of rough seas before racing his vee bottom b/c it was then that he had the advantage and it was then that he won 5 offshore world championships in a VEE BOTTOM beating your beloved CATS! they had NO CHANCE! and I have VIDEO FOOTAGE of that taking place and all boats had the same motors

what year was this ?

what kind of cats was he beating ?



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[SpeedDemon]

This one!

Or if you want.... the new 26 VooDoo!

Call me or e-mail me with questions.

TPB,

Whats the holeshot/top speed like on one of those with twin 300xs? About how much $$$?

Thanks,
Speedemon

[Ghost S84]

what year was this ?

what kind of cats was he beating ?



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1980's he raced his 23 with a stock single 200 and his 28 with stock twin 200's ...Ill get the exact names of the boats if you want...all I know is ive seen videos of him passing cats of bigger classes b/c the seas were too big...Race teams actually carried 2 boats a V and a Cat and would run according to water conditions