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[engineermike]

... I'm not going to give you the road map to Verado performance...

You cant give away something you don’t have!

[Chaz]

So when I digitize a 2.5 can and throws them in a Rottler P69 for a little post weld clean up .. 1 good port and I could do 1,000,000 good ports .





( some here remember we had a guy who wanted to do a Hi HP 15" verado a few years back)
How willing do you think I am to go up to Fentress blvd in Daytona to see a good friend of mine of 40 years and have him grind me a set of master lobes for a pair of sticks that go to a motor that guys like you own . If you don't even know how to change your own oil , you'll never be able to shim the lifter buckets ..

[davemvegas]

So when I digitize a 2.5 can and throws them in a Rottler P69 for a little post weld clean up .. 1 good port and I could do 1,000,000 good ports




( some here remember we had a guy who wanted to do a Hi HP 15" verado a few years back)
How willing do you think I am to go up to Fentress blvd in Daytona to see a good friend of mine of 40 years and have him grind me a set of master lobes for a pair of sticks that go to a motor that guys like you own . If you don't even know how to change your own oil , you'll never be able to shim the lifter buckets ..

Charlie. What is the name of that shop in the pic? I have been to it somewhere off SR714 and watched the CNC in action. I bought a overpriced set of intake plates from Austria. Not sure if cost effective to duplicate for a small market. Please refresh my memory for contact info for that shop. I may run a set to him for opinion. Thanks.

[Dave S]

My wife will not let me clean Ex housings in the dishwasher..... how did ya get away with it? And ours don't have a Peeky Look door?????

[Chaz]

Yes we went there one day. There are three of those loud &^^%$%8$@^% things running day and night now. I still use the guy across the street for small runs of stuff ..
Easy way would be if you know how thick you wanted the spacer to be . Have Xtreme digitize a gasket, e-mail it across the street and have those guys run them for you .. ( well I get away with it )
Gotta be a lot more reasonable than getting them from Austria ..

https://www.xtremecylinderheads.com/our-equipment

[Chaz]

My wife will not let me clean Ex housings in the dishwasher..... how did ya get away with it? And ours don't have a Peeky Look door?????

That's the shower over at Shaq's crib .. gold bond runnin out one of them ..

[engineermike]

.. still following me around I see ... weirdo

To be clear, YOU threw rocks at ME in post 1368 then get all upset when I defend myself. Check it out for yourself...every post of mine is in response to attacks of yours. If you want me to stop defending myself, then stop harassing me. Heck, you’ve even insulted me in threads I didn’t even post in. I must have really gotten under your skin.

The side of this "Duckworth" style billet head .. . have him grind me a set of master lobes for a pair of sticks...

Hahaha, awesome. I surmised you don’t have a “roadmap to verado performance” and your response is a picture in a shop down the street showing a Toyota head being machined and a shop up the street that grinds cams. What exactly does that prove? I suppose I was right then. I won’t bother describing the kinematics involved in designing cam lobes. After all, any true expert on Cnc knows all about kinematics anyway.

To be clear, you first constructed a straw-man argument that I wanted free speed secrets from you regarding the verado and then you revealed that you don’t have any.

You're so busy trying to build yourself up and tear me down that you’ve completely lost yourself in your own argument.

My original point that you vehemently oppose is simple: Late model 4-stroke outboard performance advancement would happen more rapidly if this site’s members would embrace it rather than berate it. You can argue warranty this, payments that, secret whatever, and sling as many middle-school insults at me as you want but my original point will still hold true.

[davemvegas]

That name is sounding familiar. Is it Bill that i think worked with Bruce at Alfee's machine shop. That machine shop was a big help being local and mostly new equipment. It seemed to be busy and growing one day and closed and out of business the next. I do remember using Bill with shop name extreme after bruce closed up.

[Risco]

To be clear, YOU threw rocks at ME in post 1368 then get all upset when I defend myself. Check it out for yourself...every post of mine is in response to attacks of yours. If you want me to stop defending myself, then stop harassing me. Heck, you’ve even insulted me in threads I didn’t even post in. I must have really gotten under your skin.



Hahaha, awesome. I surmised you don’t have a “roadmap to verado performance” and your response is a picture in a shop down the street showing a Toyota head being machined and a shop up the street that grinds cams. What exactly does that prove? I suppose I was right then. I won’t bother describing the kinematics involved in designing cam lobes. After all, any true expert on Cnc knows all about kinematics anyway.

To be clear, you first constructed a straw-man argument that I wanted free speed secrets from you regarding the verado and then you revealed that you don’t have any.

You're so busy trying to build yourself up and tear me down that you’ve completely lost yourself in your own argument.

My original point that you vehemently oppose is simple: Late model 4-stroke outboard performance advancement would happen more rapidly if this site’s members would embrace it rather than berate it. You can argue warranty this, payments that, secret whatever, and sling as many middle-school insults at me as you want but my original point will still hold true.

I’m a younger guy 29 so I don’t have the golden age of boating mentality but I would agree with you seems silly how people want to hate on innovation. I’m excited to see what future holds I don’t care if it 2 stroke 4 stroke or electric if it makes my boat faster and more efficient.

[Chaz]

That name is sounding familiar. Is it Bill that i think worked with Bruce at Alfee's machine shop. That machine shop was a big help being local and mostly new equipment. It seemed to be busy and growing one day and closed and out of business the next. I do remember using Bill with shop name extreme after bruce closed up.

Yes , same Billy that worked for Bruce. He went down to TEC in Palm Beach for a few years before opening his own cylinder head ( and occasional Mercury parts) place in Palm City. Last I spoke to Bruce he was working for a company that made auger bits that excavated coal, gold, diamonds .. never married, no kids, roaming the world following the next acorn.

[powerabout]

I like the part where after the small engined verado they worked out they need a v8 twice the capacity, just sayin...
Did they let the asian design dept have a go first then the good old boys had a go?

[JPEROG]

I like the part where after the small engined verado they worked out they need a v8 twice the capacity, just sayin...
Did they let the asian design dept have a go first then the good old boys had a go?

Everyone can pick on the Verado (I never owned one and never will) but they designed that motor as an inline that could be mounted on narrow centers and were targeting multi engine hulls. I would say they did pretty dam well and made a ton of money with the product over the last 15 years. I have stated it numerous times before-I have never been impressed with the 2.6 as a single engine application but that wasn't its main intent.

The new stuff is a totally different deal if you have a hull that can handle the weight, and the money to put out, you will be fast and they are impressive.

Joe

[Dave S]

no bones in this fight......but it seems like merc got smart and uped the CID and way to go.....Just A ?..... I know they are smart at R+D......But a v8 at 60? %.... joined crank rod issues????? JMO?

[Chaz]

Everyone can pick on the Verado (I never owned one and never will) but they designed that motor as an inline that could be mounted on narrow centers and were targeting multi engine hulls. I would say they did pretty dam well and made a ton of money with the product over the last 15 years. I have stated it numerous times before-I have never been impressed with the 2.6 as a single engine application but that wasn't its main intent.

The new stuff is a totally different deal if you have a hull that can handle the weight, and the money to put out, you will be fast and they are impressive.

Joe

Yes they sold a lot of them. Lots of em in the bone yard too. My dislike for the verado series is purely mechanical. Much of it was stated in the other thread along with parts breakdown pictures .
The factory proved there is no real easy, inexpensive or light weight way to make one into a 15" mid. And even if you did, it's still a big azz, overweight, 2.6L .
Straight six's always have a "buzz" be it a CBX Honda , or an old stovebolt Chevy. Part of the reason is that there is no % of recip mass used in balancing. All you can do is spin the stick and get it to where it doesn't jump out of the blocks as opposed to a V-6 where you can manipulate the % up and down the scale. 52 - 55 % is not that uncommon for one your going to spin well into the red ..

https://hinesindustries.com/images/s...lmasspage7.JPG

No argument about the new V-8's being state of the art. As you know, I would need two .. I'm not cleaning out my kids inheritance to feed my ego . Just can't do it ..
Then there's Mercasil .. Uckk , you shure you want to go there, long term .. ? I have nightmares of Chevy Vega's .. before the 327 swap ..


Mikey Quips:

My original point that you vehemently oppose is simple: Late model 4-stroke outboard performance advancement would happen more rapidly if this site’s members would embrace it rather than berate it. You can argue warranty this, payments that, secret whatever, and sling as many middle-school insults at me as you want but my original point will still hold true.


Once again you lump the entire sites members into a group and insult us . Maybe I'm one of the few who is stupid enough to tell you your being a ****tard about it. But trust me I'm not the only one who feels that way. But as a group .. thanks
I have stated my reasons for not liking the Verado series.
I'm not spending the money for a set of new V-8's . How long would I have to wait for them if I did pony up the money ?
So what does that leave , Honda 150's , maybe some Yamaha four stroke's ?
Nothing out there that makes much sense to me at this point, especially since
I have a half a dozen 3.0L powerheads. And enough stuff to do three or four more ranging from 3.0 to 3.6L stock junk to Billet ..
However, I was always taught :
If I see something lacking, instead of complaining about it over and over. I should be the one who steps up and does something about it. You continue to show us what your made of.
I suggested you become a supporting member ... zip-0 on that ( something for nothing, I get it, the internet's free )
OK try this , I'll reword it .... Go to the boneyard :
Get a head , cams , intake , blower and

engine adapter

plate.
Intake and adapter plate are a bit restrictive, casting flash, etc.
Send or take the sticks to Kip @ Cam Motion there in La. he knows what to do ..
Don't know if Larry Meax is still grinding heads, but he's one of the best in your parts. There's enough meat to cut a good port, I've looked with a flashlight. And enough valve seat O.D. to put 1mm bigger intake valves in. Remember you have to sweep the pistons to clear for depth and radial clearance at that point .
Have the huffer blueprinted, they leak @ the end of the rotor when they get shoved against the end cap.
The exhaust is very small and because of the oil reservoir / drain tube running beside it, you'll have to figure out a way to relieve some of it above the water line / in - out of the can without overheating the stuff that lives inside. Thats what we were working on when Mr. George passed away and the plug got pulled.
Anyway, if I had a Verado, thats what I would start with ...

[Dave S]

dammm Chazzz... your such a pesstamince......Dammm I can't spell......If it has valves....droped....