Will Fossile FREE fuels save the combustion engine from Extinction.

[powerabout]

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Anyway, lots of cool F! tech will make it to mainstream someday... I just don't see synthetic fuels being one.

Lets see what happens in 2025 ( edit 2026) when its being used in F1
Technology comes and goes for many reasons

[ModVPinND]

What does F1 mean by sustainable fuel?

As part of the journey to Net Zero, all Formula 1 teams will have to power their cars with 100% advanced sustainable fuels by 2026.

MotoGP, the top division of motorcycle grand prix racing, has dubbed 2024 as the “start of a new era … as we take the first step towards a new global era of zero carbon fuels.”1
Back in November 2021, MotoGP set goals for fuel in all its classes – including the intermediate Moto2 and lightweight Moto3 – to be of minimum 40% non-fossil origin by 2024, and of 100% non-fossil origin by 2027.2
MotoGP said at the time of the announcement that the new fuels “will either be laboratory-created, using components sourced from a carbon capture scheme, or derived from municipal waste or non-food biomass.”
Earlier this month, MotoGP revealed that the Malaysian energy company Petronas will supply Moto2 and Moto3 bikes with fuel from 2024.It said that all bikes competing in those classes will use the PetronasPrimax Pro-Race M2 fuel, formulated with at least 40% non-fossil biofuel.

[powerabout]

What does F1 mean by sustainable fuel?

As part of the journey to Net Zero, all Formula 1 teams will have to power their cars with 100% advanced sustainable fuels by 2026.

MotoGP, the top division of motorcycle grand prix racing, has dubbed 2024 as the “start of a new era … as we take the first step towards a new global era of zero carbon fuels.”1
Back in November 2021, MotoGP set goals for fuel in all its classes – including the intermediate Moto2 and lightweight Moto3 – to be of minimum 40% non-fossil origin by 2024, and of 100% non-fossil origin by 2027.2
MotoGP said at the time of the announcement that the new fuels “will either be laboratory-created, using components sourced from a carbon capture scheme, or derived from municipal waste or non-food biomass.”
Earlier this month, MotoGP revealed that the Malaysian energy company Petronas will supply Moto2 and Moto3 bikes with fuel from 2024.It said that all bikes competing in those classes will use the PetronasPrimax Pro-Race M2 fuel, formulated with at least 40% non-fossil biofuel.

https://www.racefans.net/2023/03/25/...e-fuel-future/

[David - WI]

Again, why?

F*cking brilliant... "He indicates the process by which the fuel is created uses around six times the energy contained in the fuel it produces."

[David - WI]

Something I brought up earlier, this puts an actual (very, very small) number on it:

“When you look at the total carbon footprint in F1 as a sport, our carbon footprint is just over a quarter of a million tonnes. And of that, the amount that’s represented by running our cars around the track is 0.7%. It really is very little indeed.”

It's a good thing that "carbon" doesn't actually matter.

[Chaz]

Again, why?

F*cking brilliant... "He indicates the process by which the fuel is created uses around six times the energy contained in the fuel it produces."

Cuz as we southern's say .. he's ate up with the dumb-azz ..

Personally, I'd like to live in the republic of Bill. They have so much cheap energy, they are thinkin about air conditioning the out doors ...

[powerabout]

Again, why?

F*cking brilliant... "He indicates the process by which the fuel is created uses around six times the energy contained in the fuel it produces."

Doesnt matter if you have green power?
Same like hydrogen

[David - WI]

Doesnt matter if you have green power?
Same like hydrogen

It matters unless you have limitless "green power" and the grid capacity to get it where you need it.
(In theory. I agree... but in reality, we don't.)

[powerabout]

It matters unless you have limitless "green power" and the grid capacity to get it where you need it.
(In theory. I agree... but in reality, we don't.)

Agreed, some of methanol and hydrogen plants seem to be located where they have green power to eliminate that issue but then you have a transport issue??

[David - WI]

Yeah. I both love & hate methanol.
We made tons of horsepower with it, but it's super corrosive and really toxic (even through the skin).

We would be racing karts and all of a sudden fuel would be pouring out on the ground because the methanol ate through the bottom of the Mikuni carb.

Ethanol makes less power but you literally can drink it...

[powerabout]

Yeah. I both love & hate methanol.
We made tons of horsepower with it, but it's super corrosive and really toxic (even through the skin).

We would be racing karts and all of a sudden fuel would be pouring out on the ground because the methanol ate through the bottom of the Mikuni carb.

Ethanol makes less power but you literally can drink it...

Methanol is growing massively as its being used in Ships, cheap as too, no tax in it.
Agreed comes with issues

[David - WI]

[Chaz]

Mother nature sets the temperature. Only greentard idiots think man has the power to change the climate. ..

[pcrussell50]

looks scary. But you’re not thinking at the planetary time frame. All too easy for creatures like us, that don’t even live a hundred years.

BUT (besides temperature hardly tracking in sync with it)

... that chart only goes back 800,000 years. not even one SINGLE million years.

some perspective:

-the earth is 4,500 million years old, (that is, four THOUSAND five hundred MILLION years old)... that chart does not even go back ONE SINGLE million years
-iow, that chart only covers one 5000th (ONE FIVE THOUSANDTH) of the earth's history

-even the dinosaurs, the last of which died 65 MILLION years ago... that chart does not even go back ONE SINGLE million years
-you have to multiply the time span covered by that chart by SEVENTY TIMES, just to reach back to when the last dinosaur died
-you have to multiply the time span covered by that chart by THREE HUNDRED TIMES to reach back to when the first dinosaurs appeared
-the entire time the dinosaurs existed, was only 1/40th or so of the time the earth existed and they lasted a long long long time

The idea that CO2 has never been higher is so laughable it's not even worth more than a few seconds of your thought.

***

While the current CO2 concentration is 420 parts per MILLION. That means that that ALL the CO2 in the atmosphere is 42 THOUSANDTHS of a single percent. Not even half of a hundredth of one percent or our atmosphere is CO2. That of course is not nearly enough to act like a heat blanket.

now... the extra CO2 while it is not nearly enough to cause a greenhouse effect, is enough to do one thing... greening. Terrestrial plants begin dying off around 170ppm of CO2. 420ppm is not that far above critically low. But it is enough that plants have been responding and taking over desert area for about the past 50 years. The Sahara has lost hundreds of thousands of square km in that period to greening. 420ppm isn't much if you're a plant, but at least it's something. Greenhouse growers ADD CO2 to their greenhouses to increase their yields. 420ppm is low for plants, which like something more like 2000ppm.

TL;DR while 420 ppm is not nearly enough to cause a greenhouse, it is at least enough to improve the health and range of plants.

-Peter

[Chaz]

Ice core data ... is much like carbon dating .. can and usually is off by a few million points. But is right on the money for green-tards with no real proof ..