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**WaterZebra** · 11-30-2023, 09:01 AM

Had to be the ugliest aft cowling Burgess ever made?

**John Schubert** · 11-30-2023, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by WaterZebra

Had to be the ugliest aft cowling Burgess ever made?

Especially with the stripes. Water Zebra, can I ask who are? It sounds like we raced r the same era. I raced at the stadium several times. They put me I a Switzer FE boat one race to support Switzer. The ugliest ride I ever had. If you want confidentlonality, send your id to jschubert19j@gmail.com.BTW who is 2US. Thanks, John Schubert

**lars strom** · 11-30-2023, 09:38 AM

@WaterZebra

Ugly or not..but there is an untold story about David Burgess and Roger Jenkins 1984..
Roger raced his ( ugly) Burgess above the first part of 1984..he won a race with that boat. I think Holland GP.
Something really bad (I guess) happened in the relationship between David Burgess/Roger Jenkins mid season 1984..
I have asked David Burgess..but he did not tell me why..same with Roger..
Before the F1-V8 race in Liege, Belgium 1984 Roger got himself a brand new Hodges and painted in the Carlsberg's colors..
The pictures are from the race in Belgium and Rogers new Hodges..!!
Liege was also Rogers last F1-V8 race..he retired after Liege 1984.

Today David Burgess is probably the only one who knows the 100% correct reason..

**WaterZebra** · 11-30-2023, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by lars strom

@WaterZebra

Ugly or not..but there is an untold story about David Burgess and Roger Jenkins 1984..
Roger raced his ( ugly) Burgess above the first part of 1984..he won a race with that boat. I think Holland GP.
Something really bad (I guess) happened in the relationship between David Burgess/Roger Jenkins mid season 1984..
I have asked David Burgess..but he did not tell me why..same with Roger..
Before the F1-V8 race in Liege, Belgium 1984 Roger got himself a brand new Hodges and painted in the Carlsberg's colors..
The pictures are from the race in Belgium and Rogers new Hodges..!!
Liege was also Rogers last F1-V8 race..he retired after Liege 1984.

Today David Burgess is probably the only one who knows the 100% correct reason..

Carlsberg graphics were good but that straight-backed cowl looked like an after thought.

**WaterZebra** · 11-30-2023, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by John Schubert

Especially with the stripes. Water Zebra, can I ask who are? It sounds like we raced r the same era. I raced at the stadium several times. They put me I a Switzer FE boat one race to support Switzer. The ugliest ride I ever had. If you want confidentlonality, send your id to jschubert19j@gmail.com.BTW who is 2US. Thanks, John Schubert

I like the advantage of having my call sign only on this site. You raced in an era before my time. I entered series racing in the IOGP phase. Never raced Parker or Havasu and always wanted to drive graveyard shift (night time) in 24hr Paris race. Never had anything provided to me and paid my own way.

**lars strom** · 11-30-2023, 06:11 PM

@WaterZebra

First, of course you have the right to keep your Screen name private.

Please..John Schubert use messenger for private questions.

Back to Roger Jenkins "ugly Burgess" 1984...(I do not think it was ugly..Roger was really fast with his ugly boat)..

To make this correct..the first picture is Rogers Burgess with the 1984 rear "ugly" cowling in Stockholm..the second picture is Rogers Hodges in Liege, Belgium with the rear "ugly" cowling.

**John Schubert** · 11-30-2023, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by lars strom

@WaterZebra

First, of course you have the right to keep your Screen name private.

Please..John Schubert use messenger for private questions.

Back to Roger Jenkins "ugly Burgess" 1984...(I do not think it was ugly..Roger was really fast with his ugly boat)..

To make this correct..the first picture is Rogers Burgess with the 1984 rear "ugly" cowling in Stockholm..the second picture is Rogers Hodges in Liege, Belgium with the rear "ugly" cowling.

Didn’t mean to upset anyone, but it’s difficult to respond at times when you don’t know who it is you are responding to. I suggested responding to my email address for privacy. I certainly wasn’t going to broadcast anyone’s identity. Insofar as messenger Lars, that’s Facebook which I don’t use. Was hacked years ago. And , have never had success with Pam ( private messages).
I guess that I will with hold posting. My name isn’t private & if I don’t know who is posting, I will keep my opinion & info to myself

**lars strom** · 11-30-2023, 09:04 PM

One more #9 Roger Jenkins in his Burgess/Carlsberg/Evinrude V8
#2 Arthur Mostert.. Velden/B&H/Johnson V8 in the back ground.
1984

**lars strom** · 12-01-2023, 07:31 AM

#12 Fabrizio Bocca of Italy in his brand new Molinari/Castrol Oil/Evinrude V8 1984

**lars strom** · 12-01-2023, 06:11 PM

#12 Fabrizio Bocca in Stockholm GP 1984.

**2us70** · 12-02-2023, 11:38 AM

I am just a small time privateer racer from the 60s and 70s that you probably never noticed back then. I enjoyed some limited success during the time when OPC racing was still possible for a guy like me. QUOTE=John Schubert;3409410]Especially with the stripes. Water Zebra, can I ask who are? It sounds like we raced r the same era. I raced at the stadium several times. They put me I a Switzer FE boat one race to support Switzer. The ugliest ride I ever had. If you want confidentlonality, send your id to jschubert19j@gmail.com.BTW who is 2US. Thanks, John Schubert[/QUOTE]

**lars strom** · 12-02-2023, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by lars strom

#12 Fabrizio Bocca in Stockholm GP 1984.

#12 Fabrizio Bocca - Molinari/Castrol Oil/ Evinrude V8 and #18 Renato Molinari - Molinari/Martini/Evinrude in the Stockholm GP 1984.
Thanks Sean Barnard

**lars strom** · 12-02-2023, 06:28 PM

Cees van der Velden (left) and Fabrizio Bocca (right) Stockholm F1 GP 1984.

**Mark Poole ModVP** · 12-02-2023, 07:37 PM

Just wondering if that Castrol Molinari of Bocca's is the one that came apart out from under him, which happened in 1984.

**lars strom** · 12-02-2023, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Poole ModVP

Just wondering if that Castrol Molinari of Bocca's is the one that came apart out from under him, which happened in 1984.

Well..I have never heard about that but this is from Liege, Belgium later 1984.
The start and you can see #12 Bocca and a few minutes later the really bad accident happened between Bocca & Tom Percival.
Not sure how much damage was done on Bocca's Molinari boat in the very bad accident but he did not race in London GP a few weeks later.
Lots of misinformation out there..!!

This is from my Svera.se page..more about the accident there..!!

The 1984 start of the F1-V8 race in Liege, Belgium. (picture below)
The #12 Molinari/Castrol/Evinrude boat is Bocca and it looks like Roger Jenkins and Tom Percival is having a slow/bad start.
The crash between Bocca and Percival is just minutes away.
https://svera.se/blogg/the-liege-bel...-race-history/

Picture by Barry Trindall.