Fastest SOB hull???

[WavetoWave]

I love many of the boats mentioned here but Darris is a genius boat designer and builder.

Some of the biggest names building the biggest and fastest on the planet recognize him for that.

[RBT]

I love many of the boats mentioned here but Darris is a genius boat designer and builder.

Some of the biggest names building the biggest and fastest on the planet recognize him for that.

lol, Randy Pierson not exactly the reference point I’d use.
Owen set the kilo record at 126 with 240hp and side water pickups.
one is a flyweight smooth water race boat, the other an offshore boat. How this even became comparable is beyond me. Nobody ever said Darris isn’t brilliant, he’s like Pete at skater… just it’s natural for someone to come along and set new trends.
Also, this thread has made Tuff weights something of legend. They aren’t that light.

[WavetoWave]

lol, Randy Pierson not exactly the reference point I’d use.
Owen set the kilo record at 126 with 240hp and side water pickups.
one is a flyweight smooth water race boat, the other an offshore boat. How this even became comparable is beyond me. Nobody ever said Darris isn’t brilliant, he’s like Pete at skater… just it’s natural for someone to come along and set new trends.
Also, this thread has made Tuff weights something of legend. They aren’t that light.

Just referencing a fast XR, there's many.

And all boats exceeding 100 or 110 on here are running calm water at those speeds.

I love the Tuff 24. Not sure I'd call it an offshore boat.

[WavetoWave]

Anybody have a fast Superboat?

[RBT]

Just referencing a fast XR, there's many.

And all boats exceeding 100 or 110 on here are running calm water at those speeds.

I love the Tuff 24. Not sure I'd call it an offshore boat.

well it is longer and has a deeper deadrise thank a lot
of this list…. So what do you call it?

[WavetoWave]

well it is longer and has a deeper deadrise thank a lot
of this list…. So what do you call it?

Same deadrise as the Allison, interesting.

Sorry RBT, it's only SOB talk from now on. You'll have to buy me a Molson Canadian and tell me how slow Allison's and Skaters are another time.

[RBT]

First I won’t drink that swill. But would be glad to get you something good to enjoy.
I never said that Allison’s or skaters were slow. They have just been superseded buy other brands (Doug weight MTI etc). As stated above my all time favourite boat is the Allison xr2002 and the Velocity 22. This doesn’t make me blind to the fact that other boats are out there and do things better.
The reputation this thread and others has created for the Tuff being a calm water boat is laughable.
The challenger 21 was a great rough water boat, as are all its offspring. This makes the Tuff 21 similar to its performance and arguably better as they incorporated ballast tanks. Remove the setback used for speed oriented setup and it will run with any of its siblings. Now the 24 is a whole other animal, it is longer, narrower, has a deeper forward entry and deadrise. How do you think that would compare the the 21?
reading this post has really been like cnn, there is a narrative that is biased.

[David]

The Tuff 20 has me intrigued. Will it be a small 20 like the 20' Allisons? Or sized more like the 21 Tuff (huge beside my SS2000). What motors will Tuff put on it? The 150 Pro XS seems possible, and could be compared to Allisons running 150s. The trouble with the 20' Allisons now is motor selection. The 20' Allisons may have been the best 2.4/2.5L boats, but those motors are a fond memory. I'm curious to see what Mark has in mind for their 20.

Tuff and Allison are my favorite boats. And J Crafts.

[WavetoWave]

The Tuff 24' is one of if not my favorite boat. I believe you said the Allison hull philosophy was outdated, it's not from a design perspective.

Skaters still win world championships.

For small v hulls, the fastest ones aren't going to be the best in rough water. The variables that make them the fastest hurt rough water ability.

I have only ever said the 24' is superior in every way, that much is obvious. The Chaudron 22/25 is also superior in every way to an old SOB, especially in rough water.

[WavetoWave]

The Tuff 20 has me intrigued. Will it be a small 20 like the 20' Allisons? Or sized more like the 21 Tuff (huge beside my SS2000). What motors will Tuff put on it? The 150 Pro XS seems possible, and could be compared to Allisons running 150s. The trouble with the 20' Allisons now is motor selection. The 20' Allisons may have been the best 2.4/2.5L boats, but those motors are a fond memory. I'm curious to see what Mark has in mind for their 20.

Tuff and Allison are my favorite boats. And J Crafts.

They're aiming to use the 150-225 (4 cyl - V6). It will be smaller than the old 21, less beam, more aerodynamic.

[David]

The 150-225 motors don’t have the sportmaster gearcase. I thought everyone not named Owen needed low water pick ups to make best speed.

[RBT]

The Tuff 20 will be big like the 21 but with all new design.
wavetowave the Allison design with a pencil roll bottom struggle with mass. The larger the mass, the larger the hole. This becomes a lot less efficient as speed and mass increase.
One day I hope to ride/drive a Chaudron, modern build narrow deep vee.

[WavetoWave]

The Tuff 20 will be big like the 21 but with all new design.
wavetowave the Allison design with a pencil roll bottom struggle with mass. The larger the mass, the larger the hole. This becomes a lot less efficient as speed and mass increase.
One day I hope to ride/drive a Chaudron, modern build narrow deep vee.

The Tuff 20 looks smaller, like the newer Tuffs: 150-200HP.
https://www.tuffboats.com/tuff-20

The Allison 21 goes 108 with a 300R, as a heavy fishing boat. Imagine with a sport deck and lighter layup. That's super efficient. Wish I could tell you more about another Allison but I'm sworn to secrecy.

The Chaudron is incredible in rough water.

[hellbents-10]

The Allison is still a heavy hitter!!! Cool thing about the 24 Tuff that I never really talk about though is how far down you sit in the boat. I liken it to a sit down Skater. My friends cannot believe how you can carry a normal conversation above 80 and still do not need sunglasses or goggles.

[WavetoWave]

The old school 21' boats are wide with a narrow pad, less lift, and don't punch through the air as well as a narrower boat with more lift. That and balance (weight distribution) stronger and lighter materials, reduced drag (air and water). For pure top speed, those are key components.

Very impressive for a 28' single 450R.

@RBT you're starting to sound like me. Lol.

Everyone knows the rules are arbitrary. A 24-25' hull is going to carry these big engines much better than a little boat and be able to harness that power.