Caldwell Racing Technology 3.5

[powerabout]

epa regs cut in re total sales numbers AFAIK or per purchase EPA exemption for race engines
Saying that its just spare parts.

[Markus]

Why would someone buy one of these motors? Because they can.

Yeah, but they can buy a V8 Merc, too...

[Markus]

Will the CRT engine need to follow emissions standards? I presume that's why Mercury is getting out of the 2 cycle production?

In Mercury's case, it is a demand thing,

First Suzuki went all 4-stroke, then Yamaha, now Mercury.

Emissions are based on corporate averages, though, so CRT will not be able to sell dirty 2-strokes in the consumer market unless they are selling a large number of clean engines to drive down the corporate average.

Perhaps they can source some 4-strokes in China and offer two options to customers:
1. Powerhead only, only intended as a racing spare part
2. Complete engine, only sold in a bundle together with 12 Chinese 4-strokes to meet EPA requirements

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/outboard-motor.html

[Markus]

But when you have guys where the price differential (can be) neglected, the CRT 3.5 will surely shine. When you have folks who are willing to open the CRT motor and do their own fixes and cylinder bore replacement within just hours and be back in the water quickly, warranty can be secondary.

If the CRT target customer is someone who simultaneously
a) Is wealthy enough to buy the products
b) Is mechanically inclined enough to do their own fixes and cylinder bore replacement
c) Has enough time on their hands to piece together the engines and work on them,

we are looking at a very small group of people...

[JCSmile]

In Mercury's case, it is a demand thing,

First Suzuki went all 4-stroke, then Yamaha, now Mercury.

Emissions are based on corporate averages, though, so CRT will not be able to sell dirty 2-strokes in the consumer market unless they are selling a large number of clean engines to drive down the corporate average.

Perhaps they can source some 4-strokes in China and offer two options to customers:
1. Powerhead only, only intended as a racing spare part
2. Complete engine, only sold in a bundle together with 12 Chinese 4-strokes to meet EPA requirements

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/outboard-motor.html

CRT isn't selling complete engines with fuel delivery/ignition systems as far as I know. I would guess that they are not subject to emissions standards, similar to crate motors for drag cars/customs etc.

[home made tunnel]

In Mercury's case, it is a demand thing,

First Suzuki went all 4-stroke, then Yamaha, now Mercury.

Emissions are based on corporate averages, though, so CRT will not be able to sell dirty 2-strokes in the consumer market unless they are selling a large number of clean engines to drive down the corporate average.

Perhaps they can source some 4-strokes in China and offer two options to customers:
1. Powerhead only, only intended as a racing spare part
2. Complete engine, only sold in a bundle together with 12 Chinese 4-strokes to meet EPA requirements

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/outboard-motor.html

On a side alibaba note . . . What a neat link !!!
I want this RIB inflatable for $3000 !!!

https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...6a2f659dFSCaYh

[CUDA]

Yeah But you have to buy 100 of them.

[Capt.Insane-o]

Yeah, but they can buy a V8 Merc, too...

See Markus it ain't the same, a few (now many) years ago I stepped off the bus in the morning at Spa for final practice with the V 10's. There is nothing, ever never never that will replace that sound and experience, let alone the race to follow, or being in the grandstands at Indy at the drop of the lights. If you see where I am going with this....there are some things that just can't be replaced........and thankfully the CRT guys are in the same boat.

[Capt.Insane-o]

Yeah But you have to buy 100 of them.

100? 100 cargo containers maybe.

[powerabout]

How about a v10 2 stroke outboard made from 2.0 lv6 merc parts?
Probably fit under a verado cowl?

[Chaz]

I just got off the phone with one of my higher up's in the EPA food chain .. that's
Eujeanare Pelafaqua Abajackwadelafontain .

And what he told me made perfect sense .............

They still use silver star's for gator bait in the bayou ..

If you live in Pelosi's hood , it's ok to be a pedo or felon from ms-13 but the thought of two stroke smoke make's the neighbors nauseous ...

Henry didn't design his 9" Ford to be able to lay 4000 HP thru it . So if you haven't made any 300M shaft's or 9310 or 8620 gear sets and dropped em in your 3.0L Sporty .. then you will never be able to pour anything more down the shaft than everyone else has ..

Them big "old school tunnel" boats with a pair of 300's on em always look like they are begging for a third one in the middle to finally give them enough thrust to break free ... maybe saddling them with the new-new wave of four stroke's just might do it ..

Just who's got the magic key to turn up the boost ... Oohhh my &^$#$!#)(*&^ ribs hurt , stop making me laugh ..

How bout when people say , Hey , you know about cars .. how come my car is , bla ,bla ,bla .. and they lift the hood and it looks like a radio shack kit . Your stuck where they want you "tow it to the dealer. period" ..

A 19' - 21' boat with this kind of power ... not for amateurs

If you have to ask why , you'd waste all the goodie ..

2005 - 300x Ancient Alien .. I'll ask my Ford Flathead diehard buddie's what they think about that ..

There is always room at slop trough for everybody to eat . As we can see , some think they have to eat at the 200k a plate table , and other's don't mind going to Burger King and you couldn't fource Estroke cargot down their throat for love nor money .
When I look at the periodic table , I don't see where they have added any new elements . So in a round a bout way , we all eat at the same trough , just in different locations.
I guess for our differences , we are all lucky to have each other . I'm 60 and what I got is paid for . I'm not looking to go on the book of the month club till I'm 80 or burn up what I have managed to save . So I don't see myself buying new CRT's or 4 stroke Merc's or a new cat to hang them on . But for guys who want and can afford that stuff , I'm glad every bit of it's out there .
Luckily for every one of them , there are still ten guys in every town USA who say , it would be nice but I'm going to build this 3.0L block that I already own .
No .. No , Mercury didn't run off and hide from anyone . They did what they had to , just to stay in the game .. Anyone who has worked on a Verado based motor knows that you have a little stronger lower unit and the rest is a soup-sammich that should have stayed on the drafting table . Just count the Yamaha's and Suzuki's out on the water . And how long before one of them came up with a lower. Adapter plate's are pretty easy to make too ...

Probably the most important point

Eujeanare tried to stress , was that if you are going to show up at one of their 'Outlaw Run what ya brung" races .. bouy iz U no gotz , lotz an lotz O cubid inch an tU stage da juize bouy ... U gotz big-big dizappoint come U way ..

[Capt.Insane-o]

I have a buddy that is going to test that idler gear 'zuki lower to death this summer, the rest of the motor seems solid

[Capt.Insane-o]

I'm sure we'll all be anxiously waiting for the 4.6 Drag.

[powerabout]

I have a buddy that is going to test that idler gear 'zuki lower to death this summer, the rest of the motor seems solid

when you say idler gear, do they have a reduction under the powerhead like the yam 350 to take the torque out of the lower?

[Capt.Insane-o]

They shift above the case.