are superboats still made

[Chaz]

A friend of mine is / was the VP of Viper boats in West palm Beach.
They started out with a 17 or 18 foot flats boat like a Hewes bone fisher . Sold enough of them to add 19 and 20 foot bass boats to their line up.
Twords the end of their run , all they were building was a Sportfisher that was basically a 39' Cigarette hull with deck and tower like a Rybovitch powered by Mann diesel's .
When the bottom fell out of the market , I said why don't you go back to making your small boats again till things get better ... he said , can't make no money building little boats.
If I remember correctly , he had a nice house , new truck , bought the building , put his daughter thru collage , had a nice race car , before they ever built the first 39 ...
Guess he's right , ain't no money in little boats ....
I'd have to think there's a whole lot less in pad locking the building shut ...

[Markus]

I gotta see pics of the $500 toilet seat!!!
lol

Not joking

http://www.looseats.com

[Markus]

in 10 years resin has almost tripled

Well, that seems very odd given the overall price environment for petrochemicals, so I decided to do some research over breakfast.

This table comes from OffshoreOnly, and shows West System epoxy prices from 2005:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...ems-resins.jpg

As far as I understand from the table, 2005 prices were as follows:

0.98 gallons of 105-B resin: $78.8
0.33 gallons of 209-SB hardener: $53.75
Total price: $132.55

Here is West System's 2015 price list:

http://westsystem.com/ss/assets/Uplo...st-2015-US.pdf

As far as I understand from that price list, the corresponding prices are as follows:

0.98 gallons of 105-B resin: $99.73
0.33 gallons of 209-SB hardener: $78.21
Total price: $177.94

$177.94 is a 34% increase from $132.55

Gallon prices are of course different from prices by the drum, but the relative price increases should be roughly the same.

Please correct any errors you see in the above.

[powerabout]

More margin in a larger boat to have poor productivity and zero innovation

[FMP]

http://www.looseats.com

Splendid, proper thought .

[mrcrsr]

You also have to look at the cost of living, taxes,rent,etc for nys and long island, which is about ridiculous. A buddy of mine pays over 13k $ a year in taxes on the water in seaford.

[delawarerick]

And workman comp insurance insurance in general is the killer that has risen by many times the inflation rate.

[RobF]

Well, that seems very odd given the overall price environment for petrochemicals, so I decided to do some research over breakfast.

This table comes from OffshoreOnly, and shows West System epoxy prices from 2005:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...ems-resins.jpg

As far as I understand from the table, 2005 prices were as follows:

0.98 gallons of 105-B resin: $78.8
0.33 gallons of 209-SB hardener: $53.75
Total price: $132.55

Here is West System's 2015 price list:

http://westsystem.com/ss/assets/Uplo...st-2015-US.pdf

As far as I understand from that price list, the corresponding prices are as follows:

0.98 gallons of 105-B resin: $99.73
0.33 gallons of 209-SB hardener: $78.21
Total price: $177.94

$177.94 is a 34% increase from $132.55

Gallon prices are of course different from prices by the drum, but the relative price increases should be roughly the same.

Please correct any errors you see in the above.

Vinylester and polyester resin has tripled,i have the checks to prove it lol
obviously i buy a few drums a year
it did come down a little bit from the height of crazy fuel prices but still almost triple

[Markus]

Vinylester and polyester resin has tripled,i have the checks to prove it lol
obviously i buy a few drums a year
it did come down a little bit from the height of crazy fuel prices but still almost triple

Please go back and look at some receipts from 2005 and 2015 or from 2006 and 2016. What you say is very strange given overall prices for petrochemicals-based products, as well as the specific example of West System epoxy resin above.

(Or maybe your supplier is charging you to pay for his $500 toilet seat habit)

[Markus]

And workman comp insurance insurance in general is the killer that has risen by many times the inflation rate.

It is included in the employment cost index I referred to.

[RobF]

Please go back and look at some receipts from 2005 and 2015 or from 2006 and 2016. What you say is very strange given overall prices for petrochemicals-based products, as well as the specific example of West System epoxy resin above.

(Or maybe your supplier is charging you to pay for his $500 toilet seat habit)

Maybe esters subjected to greater increases. 3 different suppliers i doubt they all use $500 toilet seats
just got a gallon of fuel resistant vinylester, paid $100 8 years ago for 5 gallons just paid $69 for one gallon. Drum of poly used to pay in the $300 range for ccp in 2006 last week little over 900 from my best supplier other is over 1000

Black imron in 06 was 64 a gallon, activator about 30 or so,now 265 and activator is 135 and thats on c schedule

[Frank Molé]

You also have to look at the cost of living, taxes,rent,etc for nys and long island, which is about ridiculous. A buddy of mine pays over 13k $ a year in taxes on the water in seaford.

theres people paying 30k plus its nuts here

[hoser]

And workman comp insurance insurance in general is the killer that has risen by many times the inflation rate.

You can say that again
all you need is one person to supposedly hurt themselfs at your place of business .
I guess what goes around comes around





Some dance to remember some dance to forget

[tux974]

You also have to look at the cost of living, taxes,rent,etc for nys and long island, which is about ridiculous. A buddy of mine pays over 13k $ a year in taxes on the water in seaford.

Many would be very happy paying that!

theres people paying 30k plus its nuts here

You can say that again.
They still cry about not being able to meet budgets.....
God forbid they cut the grass and pickup litter along the highways a few times a year or send street sweepers to sweep the sand after the winter mess.....

[AZMIDLYF]

Waiting for my 5 point harness to come in...