Top Speed How Fast Have You Gone Or Been In anothers Boat haulin azz

[racer]

Jon Roth's 388 Skater went 197 at loto and has been over 200. It is very similar to Chips boat that Dale mentioned.

[davemvegas]

Isn't round-up for killin weed's ... ?

Well now that I think about it , boat owners and self proclaimed top end numbers usually seem to use the round-up system ...

Chaz = Bet I'm the only one who posted a number slower that I've actually been ..

Charlie. I think your boat does need to actually start and run to participate in this thread. is it still a pretty pile of parts or did you screw it together yet? if you need a little motivation lunch is on me at Flannigan's when it fires up.

[vnemous]

Charlie. I think your boat does need to actually start and run to participate in this thread. is it still a pretty pile of parts or did you screw it together yet? if you need a little motivation lunch is on me at Flannigan's when it fires up.

I will be down in July if you want to reassemble it, I can always use lunch

[Pete Budka]

2005 Triad STV River Rocket: 560 lbs..........2005 Drag, stock sporty 1:87, 122 GPS w/32 lab cleaver........8700 rpm. 2 people. I'm driving.
Keys Dave drives ....124. Keys Dave drives solo.......126 with his 32 cleaver. All testing near Cudjoe key FLA. Thanks Dave!

[Stray Kat]

108 Rapid Craft RIOT modified 260 Merc

[Boss]

Thank you for the info Joe. I am also a huge fan of the 32 OB and 38 DW (I'd love to own one of each in the not to distant future). It's a shame Doug has only done 3 of the 38's, that is to the best of my knowledge anyway. Hopefully Guy builds another as I'd love to see one racing in the US. Hell, I'd be happy to take Fire One off his hands if the price was right! Dale's too for that matter...

I'm really glad to hear JJ's boat still looks decent, I heard it was being a little neglected and sitting in the FL sun year round on the lift was kind of taking it's toll on it. One thing I noticed is Guy's deck and the rear "hump" looks like it's lower, was the deck replaced? Maybe it's just an illusion, but I think the lines look just about perfect on his.

[JPEROG]

Thank you for the info Joe. I am also a huge fan of the 32 OB and 38 DW (I'd love to own one of each in the not to distant future). It's a shame Doug has only done 3 of the 38's, that is to the best of my knowledge anyway. Hopefully Guy builds another as I'd love to see one racing in the US. Hell, I'd be happy to take Fire One off his hands if the price was right! Dale's too for that matter...

I'm really glad to hear JJ's boat still looks decent, I heard it was being a little neglected and sitting in the FL sun year round on the lift was kind of taking it's toll on it. One thing I noticed is Guy's deck and the rear "hump" looks like it's lower, was the deck replaced? Maybe it's just an illusion, but I think the lines look just about perfect on his.

The canopy was moved back on Guys boat to change the CG. That boat is dialed in now and hauls the mail--
Part of the reason is that Doug is just a laid back guy that doesn't push to sell. He will sell someone that commits to racing a 38 for a very reasonable price (still very expensive) 4 or 5 times what we spend with the S-class boat.

Joe

[Robby321]

OK, if we gonna talk "fast"? Do NOT cut down us old farts who started chit like this! As "paved the way ya boys". But first (and I looked and cant find it as is he still alive?) But hes got STONES!

Ken Warby has commented "This date is the one that is most important to me as it was the realisation of a lifetime dream of holding the record for Australia. The 317.60 mph, though important, was only the icing on a wonderful cake. I intend to do some celebrating on that November 20th evening and have a toast to my departed team members, Prof Fink and Major Bob Apathy, who are sadly missed""..

That my friends is one "hold my beer dude", and watch this! Link..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Warby

[Robby321]

And my friend Bobby and brother Dave Switzer? They built my Swit SS17 in 74 with a a worked over XS new then. Stuff like this way back when still gets my blood pumping! Stuff was NOT bought, but BUILT! And on Chain of Lakes "Blarneys Island" Thurs nite drags? Back in the early 70's? WE started that as before a simple "lets punch it off" AND show yer stuff, and it now is historic and and WAY faster boats now! Left Illinois 21 years ago and Blarneys now is 3 times the size when I was there . But TRUST me as some ya "boys" build some MEAN CHIT and great "wrenches" building the new "beast" that see now! Takes bucks and dedication and I been fast on MC's, as cages but? In BOAT? I dunno, but speed on the water? WAY diff! Rock on kids! "Go for it but (I HATE that "stay safe BS") but my take? Be vigilant and (OK well..kinda) BEHAVE (if no one watching as do YOUR thing. Showing off ALWAYS gets ya in trouble. Have a fast fun "summer" !


"The Day I Flew a Boat" by: Robert Switzer

It all began with a phone call, (person to person) to me, Bob Switzer, from Carl Kiekhaefer, President of Mercury Marine. The date was July 17th, 1962. The meat of the call was a request for Switzer Craft to build a boat for twin Mercury 100 H.P. outboards that would exceed 100 M.P.H. on water.

The call was impressive. Imagine ... out of hundreds of boat builders, we were called to do this project. We immediately began designing our first effort based on the pattern of the Switzer Hydro Cat (commonly referred to as the "Switzer Wing"). In 1961, the Switzer (U4) wing was a major breakthrough in the twin engine Stock Outboard Pleasure Craft Class U. (Unlimited engines but required to be a minimum of 15 feet in length.) The first Switzer Wing was built in 9 days, just prior to the Winnebago Outboard pleasure craft event, where the Switzer Craft Wing finished first overall, and the next two classes were also won by other Switzer models. The U4 was the first Cat to exceed 80 M.P.H. with only a pair of 76 cu. in. 80 H.P. Outboards. (see below)

Our first new design developed to meet Mr. Kiekhaefer's request was not a complete success. At speeds of over 85 M.P.H. the bow had a tendency to kite or "bow up" (a feared maneuver of every driver).

In late August, we tried a new hull concept, mounting the engines mid-ship in a hull much like the Hickman Sea Sled. It featured square simple lines and a shovel nose. We hoped that the engines forward could control any bow lift tendencies. Much to our regret the trial runs showed that the thrust of the propellers forward and under the hull clamped the back of the boat to the water and drag was too much for our twin 80 H.P. Mercury's to overcome in the initial plane off.

Time was slipping away, the leaves were turning into their fall colors and we estimated approximately five weeks of open water to test on the Fox River near our plant. A decision had to be made... Do we call Mr. Kiekhaefer and postpone the project until spring, or do we keep going "right up to the wire" as the saying goes. The decision was made! Keep going!

My brother, Dave Switzer was the designer in charge of the construction phase of this project. He knew that now the pressure was on to design and build that 100 M.P.H. boat in minimum time. Russell "Pop" Switzer, a pioneer in light aircraft and sea planes since World War I, injected some new ideas he had long thought were necessary to control a boat at flying speeds. Dave welcomed these new ideas and also accepted a weight distribution change that I had recommended. We also concentrated on making a cleaner air-flow version of his original U-4. Several days later the materials were flying into shape and the U-6 hull was finished in record time. With time running out fast it was rigged for the first test runs.

The time was now! We proceeded to the test area on Nov. 29th, 1962, only to find that there was a 1/4" of ice on the river, stopping all progress. The weather reports promised warmer weather for the next day. All was held in readiness. November 30, temperature 45° -Sky clear -water open and calm. Time, 10:00 A.M. we launched the U-106. I got into the enclosed plexiglass cockpit (much like the capsule boats of today) , checked out all instruments, fired up engine #1, check, #2, check, water pressure and cooling systems OK, tachometer reading steady, fuel pressure normal, closed the aircraft type canopy over the cockpit, bring the engines to warm up speed and taxi to position for a wide open run.

Now, increasing speed to 50 mph -60-70 -80 and now at the speed range where the previous design started to kite I used the foot throttle over-ride and steering with my left hand, I put my right hand on "Pop" Switzer's stabilizing control lever which operated the elevon (wing tail flap) controlling the last 2 feet of the center section between the twin hulls. At 85 M.P.H. the bow lifted slightly off the horizon - too high for safety, I pushed the lever forward to position 1 ( of 4) and the horizon line returned to normal. Now, at 90 M.P.H. a slight bow lift again, lever to position #2, now the bow was normal in good trim again. Suddenly, at this moment many things seemed to occur. While my 17 pitch (Record props from Switzerland) were turning almost 6,000 R.P.M. my neck snapped back, the Hull lifted off the water about 2-4 inches ... no vibrations from water contact. I felt like I was in a sea plane just after lift off of the water. The R.P.M.'s suddenly dropped back to approximately 5,000, and at the same time the speed increased to the shrill sound of the two engines harmonically balanced. I glanced down at the Keller calibrated speedometer, reading 96-97 -98-99 -100 with those 76 cu. in. 80 H.P. direct reversing engines revving at nearly 7,000 R.P.M. I knew we had just what Mr. Kiekhaefer asked for. Now, almost tranquil from the experience of "The Day I Flew a Boat" with a full boundary layer of air between the hull and the water and seeing houses go by like a picket fence. I realized that the straight away water was fast running out. So, deceleration of the U-6 was started with the same caution used in increasing the speed. The stabilizer control was returned to various positions as the speed was reduced. When the boat speed was between 80 and 85 there was a loud sound and vibration from the hull re-entering the water almost like driving from the highway to a washboard gravel country road. Taxiing to the launching site where all the Switzer Craft crew were on hand for the verdict I could hear all the questions. How did it handle? How fast did it go? What was it like? .....And, you know the answers.

The Hull was then returned to the factory for final preparations to be delivered to Mr. Kiekhaefer at Lake X where she was fitted with a pair of 99 cu. in. 100 H.P. engines with stacks and double pinion speedmasters. She went on to reach speeds in excess of 120 M.P.H. This same hull driven by both Johnny Bakos and Dave Craig startled many of the onlookers and the Helicopter pilots that could not keep up with her to allow the photographers to film her, as she won the Gold Coast Marathon from Miami to Palm Beach and return on the inland coastal waters, with a record average speed of 81.78 M.P.H. that may still stand today!

[Chaz]

Charlie. I think your boat does need to actually start and run to participate in this thread. is it still a pretty pile of parts or did you screw it together yet? if you need a little motivation lunch is on me at Flannigan's when it fires up.

According to the title :
Top Speed How Fast Have You Gone Or Been In anothers Boat haulin azz

It don't matter when ya did it , or ifin it was even your own boat ...

Pretty parts , talked to the rod guy on Tuesday .. he said it was gonna be at least another two months ... Been explorin other people east of Kalifernia .
Buy me and Vnemous lunch when they run .. ? Pffftttt .. when them POS's run , you gonna owe us and "Billy Burn Rubber" a pork sammich from Lil Jim's ..

I hate to spend money on a another set of "stock 225's " that take 10 miles to put a half a boat length on your 300's but I guess I will hafta do that if I wanna ride this summer ...

[davemvegas]

According to the title :
Top Speed How Fast Have You Gone Or Been In anothers Boat haulin azz

It don't matter when ya did it , or ifin it was even your own boat ...

Pretty parts , talked to the rod guy on Tuesday .. he said it was gonna be at least another two months ... Been explorin other people east of Kalifernia .
Buy me and Vnemous lunch when they run .. ? Pffftttt .. when them POS's run , you gonna owe us and "Billy Burn Rubber" a pork sammich from Lil Jim's ..

I hate to spend money on a another set of "stock 225's " that take 10 miles to put a half a boat length on your 300's but I guess I will hafta do that if I wanna ride this summer ...

STOCK 225'S? what are all the pictures of that show both blocks cut in half and ported bigger then atillios BIG CHEESE heads? you do have it right on the ten miles and you had a half a boat on me. but keep in mind you got the wiggle when you shot out and left me in the idle zone under the bridge. hurry up and get it running summer will be gone by January 30.

[Chaz]

STOCK 225'S? what are all the pictures of that show both blocks cut in half and ported bigger then atillios BIG CHEESE heads? you do have it right on the ten miles and you had a half a boat on me. but keep in mind you got the wiggle when you shot out and left me in the idle zone under the bridge. hurry up and get it running summer will be gone by January 30.

That's cuz you guys taught me everything I know :

My blocks : by the time I get them from "second chance" for .43c a pound the broken rods are what cut em in half , not me ..

Atillio : Chaa lee , U wanne go &^%$# fas like #$@* U needy cuddy GRANDE &^$#*& por's ... cuz U no Davey gotti belt an suppa sharge , makey 80 psi air a press putti rite in de &^%#$& cyl end er . I si id my ^&%#@& selv mang

You : I seen you take enough money off of the boys out at Rinker to know when to leave .. and just how much to drag em thru the stripe ..err .. power lines by ..

[olboatman]

And my friend Bobby and brother Dave Switzer? They built my Swit SS17 in 74 with a a worked over XS new then. Stuff like this way back when still gets my blood pumping! Stuff was NOT bought, but BUILT! And on Chain of Lakes "Blarneys Island" Thurs nite drags? Back in the early 70's? WE started that as before a simple "lets punch it off" AND show yer stuff, and it now is historic and and WAY faster boats now! Left Illinois 21 years ago and Blarneys now is 3 times the size when I was there . But TRUST me as some ya "boys" build some MEAN CHIT and great "wrenches" building the new "beast" that see now! Takes bucks and dedication and I been fast on MC's, as cages but? In BOAT? I dunno, but speed on the water? WAY diff! Rock on kids! "Go for it but (I HATE that "stay safe BS") but my take? Be vigilant and (OK well..kinda) BEHAVE (if no one watching as do YOUR thing. Showing off ALWAYS gets ya in trouble. Have a fast fun "summer" !


"The Day I Flew a Boat" by: Robert Switzer

It all began with a phone call, (person to person) to me, Bob Switzer, from Carl Kiekhaefer, President of Mercury Marine. The date was July 17th, 1962. The meat of the call was a request for Switzer Craft to build a boat for twin Mercury 100 H.P. outboards that would exceed 100 M.P.H. on water.

The call was impressive. Imagine ... out of hundreds of boat builders, we were called to do this project. We immediately began designing our first effort based on the pattern of the Switzer Hydro Cat (commonly referred to as the "Switzer Wing"). In 1961, the Switzer (U4) wing was a major breakthrough in the twin engine Stock Outboard Pleasure Craft Class U. (Unlimited engines but required to be a minimum of 15 feet in length.) The first Switzer Wing was built in 9 days, just prior to the Winnebago Outboard pleasure craft event, where the Switzer Craft Wing finished first overall, and the next two classes were also won by other Switzer models. The U4 was the first Cat to exceed 80 M.P.H. with only a pair of 76 cu. in. 80 H.P. Outboards. (see below)

Our first new design developed to meet Mr. Kiekhaefer's request was not a complete success. At speeds of over 85 M.P.H. the bow had a tendency to kite or "bow up" (a feared maneuver of every driver).

In late August, we tried a new hull concept, mounting the engines mid-ship in a hull much like the Hickman Sea Sled. It featured square simple lines and a shovel nose. We hoped that the engines forward could control any bow lift tendencies. Much to our regret the trial runs showed that the thrust of the propellers forward and under the hull clamped the back of the boat to the water and drag was too much for our twin 80 H.P. Mercury's to overcome in the initial plane off.

Time was slipping away, the leaves were turning into their fall colors and we estimated approximately five weeks of open water to test on the Fox River near our plant. A decision had to be made... Do we call Mr. Kiekhaefer and postpone the project until spring, or do we keep going "right up to the wire" as the saying goes. The decision was made! Keep going!

My brother, Dave Switzer was the designer in charge of the construction phase of this project. He knew that now the pressure was on to design and build that 100 M.P.H. boat in minimum time. Russell "Pop" Switzer, a pioneer in light aircraft and sea planes since World War I, injected some new ideas he had long thought were necessary to control a boat at flying speeds. Dave welcomed these new ideas and also accepted a weight distribution change that I had recommended. We also concentrated on making a cleaner air-flow version of his original U-4. Several days later the materials were flying into shape and the U-6 hull was finished in record time. With time running out fast it was rigged for the first test runs.

The time was now! We proceeded to the test area on Nov. 29th, 1962, only to find that there was a 1/4" of ice on the river, stopping all progress. The weather reports promised warmer weather for the next day. All was held in readiness. November 30, temperature 45° -Sky clear -water open and calm. Time, 10:00 A.M. we launched the U-106. I got into the enclosed plexiglass cockpit (much like the capsule boats of today) , checked out all instruments, fired up engine #1, check, #2, check, water pressure and cooling systems OK, tachometer reading steady, fuel pressure normal, closed the aircraft type canopy over the cockpit, bring the engines to warm up speed and taxi to position for a wide open run.

Now, increasing speed to 50 mph -60-70 -80 and now at the speed range where the previous design started to kite I used the foot throttle over-ride and steering with my left hand, I put my right hand on "Pop" Switzer's stabilizing control lever which operated the elevon (wing tail flap) controlling the last 2 feet of the center section between the twin hulls. At 85 M.P.H. the bow lifted slightly off the horizon - too high for safety, I pushed the lever forward to position 1 ( of 4) and the horizon line returned to normal. Now, at 90 M.P.H. a slight bow lift again, lever to position #2, now the bow was normal in good trim again. Suddenly, at this moment many things seemed to occur. While my 17 pitch (Record props from Switzerland) were turning almost 6,000 R.P.M. my neck snapped back, the Hull lifted off the water about 2-4 inches ... no vibrations from water contact. I felt like I was in a sea plane just after lift off of the water. The R.P.M.'s suddenly dropped back to approximately 5,000, and at the same time the speed increased to the shrill sound of the two engines harmonically balanced. I glanced down at the Keller calibrated speedometer, reading 96-97 -98-99 -100 with those 76 cu. in. 80 H.P. direct reversing engines revving at nearly 7,000 R.P.M. I knew we had just what Mr. Kiekhaefer asked for. Now, almost tranquil from the experience of "The Day I Flew a Boat" with a full boundary layer of air between the hull and the water and seeing houses go by like a picket fence. I realized that the straight away water was fast running out. So, deceleration of the U-6 was started with the same caution used in increasing the speed. The stabilizer control was returned to various positions as the speed was reduced. When the boat speed was between 80 and 85 there was a loud sound and vibration from the hull re-entering the water almost like driving from the highway to a washboard gravel country road. Taxiing to the launching site where all the Switzer Craft crew were on hand for the verdict I could hear all the questions. How did it handle? How fast did it go? What was it like? .....And, you know the answers.

The Hull was then returned to the factory for final preparations to be delivered to Mr. Kiekhaefer at Lake X where she was fitted with a pair of 99 cu. in. 100 H.P. engines with stacks and double pinion speedmasters. She went on to reach speeds in excess of 120 M.P.H. This same hull driven by both Johnny Bakos and Dave Craig startled many of the onlookers and the Helicopter pilots that could not keep up with her to allow the photographers to film her, as she won the Gold Coast Marathon from Miami to Palm Beach and return on the inland coastal waters, with a record average speed of 81.78 M.P.H. that may still stand today!

Hey Rob thanks for postin this!!!! A great read that gets any performance boat freak blood boilin. Any one that has flown a rig knows how important some info can be. Should be mandatory readin for new perf. boat owners! Great stuff...Gary

[MN4V]

I once took a ride behind the seat and on the floor of Tony Sitars STV Mod VP race boat. 100 mph going backwards (for me).
Lots of fun!
Mark N

[Robby321]

Hey Rob thanks for postin this!!!! A great read that gets any performance boat freak blood boilin. Any one that has flown a rig knows how important some info can be. Should be mandatory readin for new perf. boat owners! Great stuff...Gary

Gary, that was the old days when we "had to explore the limits"! but theres more the story Bobby. Haven't seen him since the 80s and moved west 94. But in 2006 did a "road trip" back Illinois for a all grad year HS picnic.." last Blast"!

But hooked up Bob as heard the net, "Extreme Boats" mag did a 6 PAGE write up him, as pix..the "Wing"" Starts page 34, and Volume 3.4. I asked to meet him again that "Fox Lake Chain". And still has the old house the Fox River where the much happened. And give me a copy the mag! So met him, BSed the old days, and got the mag sitting here. Dude is STILL a "wizard", full "energy"! What posted Gary is condensed the full 6 page write up!

But back to "the fastest in a boat ever?" Fastest me simple! Jump the rat scoot marina runner, beers, and walk to the slip. Uncover the boat, smell that fresh "Salty (yep PITA) ocean water air, then a "fire up" and get that "mans perfume" smokey burnt 2 Stroke "fog! Get me 10 feet off the dock? "Heaven! ..(then sit down, tether on, and out the "no wake".."WOOF!