Eagle one performance worst performance shop

[bigbuck_31]

Those horrible welds that broke are Noahs. I dont care if its shorter,the same, or taller. They are his welds and we have seen that same weld quality out of his shp over and over.

i agree with mr. demeaner

[DavidW]

I cannot for the life of me understand what the "flange repair" guys are even looking at????

It's OBVIOUSLY not the same casting, in fact it appears to be from a bass can.

I see it now that you pointed it out. I just had a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that someone would cut the whole casting in half just to repair a few chips at the top. As many here stated it seems foolish to have even tried to repair this mid at all. I have shortened 2 of my own omc motors from 20 to 16 I did all the work myself and they have been working for years....one over 20 years. I would not call myself a professional but a am a pretty good welder /fabricator on just about everything mechanical . When people ask me to cut their motors down like I did mine I tell them I don't think it's the way to go. In fact I am going to be replacing my mids with something else because even though I have had no problems I am always a little worried about if or when it might let go and that takes a lot of fun out of it but surely not as much as if one does crack.

[rev.ronnie]

It seemed pretty obvious to me right from the beginning that the can was grafted together.

When the response was "WE DID NOT SHORTEN THAT MID"...well, that was a real deceiving statement that threw people off. The same procedure was followed as shortening one, and I can only see that that statement was possibly intended to mislead people.

It sure seems to me that if the response to the customer went like this, the whole outcome would be different;

Dear customer X
I'm sorry to see you had a failure with our work. While I make every effort to keep quality control to the highest level, it does happen that an employee will make a mistake. It's obvious that the metal was not properly prepped and it affected the quality of the weld. This is not how we like to see our company represented and we will deal with the root of the problem.
Please allow me to repair or replace the mid, or return your payment.

Sincerely, marine shop.


Maybe being indignant, belligerent, placing blame elsewhere, and denying all accountability was a pretty bad plan regardless of how many years you've been in business. I hope some people learn a lot from this.

The stock value of any boat featuring this business' parts has taken a serious hit with this. I wish guys would consider this before digging themselves a public hole. He is taking down a lot more people than just himself.



wouldn't testing the engine in a can constitute "inspection prior to use"?? Seems to me it should clearly fall under warranty.

Actual warranty text;

You the purchaser are solely responsible for the inspection of any product purchase from The Company and the determination if any there is any defect of any kind in the product PRIOR to any use.


The Company’s sole warranty and responsibility is to replace or repair any product sold by The Company which upon return freight prepaid to The Company and inspection by The Company prior to any uses and upon written request by you, the purchaser is determined by The Company to have a apparent defect in materials and workmanship. If in the pre use inspection of any product purchased from The Company you discover any matter whatsoever which you believe to be a defect in the product. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE THE PRODUCT FOR ANY APPLICATION WHATSOEVER. You should immediately contact The Company for their final inspection and determination as to any defect.

[aggiestckl]

Chaz or Ronnie I am no welding expert and may be way off base with this and maybe you can comment on this -I am a pharmaceutical engineer and I know a major point of contention with our fabricators and pipe fitters in the field when welding aluminum pipe or vessels is the specification on the job or fab has alot to do with the shielding gas used - ie; Helium, Argon, or Helium Argon Mix

I know another issue that plays factor into this is the heat they are able to achieve with 480v machine in the shop vs what is sometimes found in the field or on jobsites 220v, 277, 208/3, 120/1/60 or generator power / etc. Sometimes on Chryogenic style vessels (extremely thick) the actual power source found in one certain location of the facility may have necessary voltage but not be adequate for the large amperage loads required to get proper penetrating welds.

Obviously lack of experience has alot to do with why the cans look so horrid, but do you think the actual prep and or method used at Eagle One has played a role in this? Do you think the cans were TIG welded or done with a wire fed MIG? I know that in our industry MIG welding of aluminum is typically not acceptable as it is common belief that due to the fact the wire is not as hard as the metal and has a lower column strength paired with the fact that aluminum has such a high rate of thermal expansion and typically cracks as it cools when done with a MIG. It will over time (or in the case of this Eagle one Mid immediately) be more prone to failure

[mirage243]

the guys on this board do tend to have a "pack mentality"

And some have "no mentality" . . . . . . . . . all that really matters is that "WE SHIP WORLDWIDE"

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Judging by the wire in his first pics I'd say mig not tig

[BeefKid]

Looks like mig to me too ... and shoving the spool gun in the mid and pulling the trigger is not welding. .. imo it's guessing... Looks like laziness/ no experience to me

[JohnR]

I found who's responsible for those welds:

[aggiestckl]

Looks like mig to me too ... and shoving the spool gun in the mid and pulling the trigger is not welding. .. imo it's guessing... Looks like laziness/ no experience to me

+1

[rev.ronnie]

It looks like it was mig welded to me too. The problem with trying to weld contaminated metal with a mig is, that it continues to push metal into the puddle even when you may not have even created a bond with the host material. Contaminated metal continually gasses out. This is whey you perform "clean up passes with a tig before trying to add rod. If you have no "eyeball" you won't get penetration. A mig welder doesn't offer you this benefit. It works fine on new, virgin metal which is why they use it in manufacturing.
Sometimes, when tig welding, you need to draw out contaminates, add filler rod, and even back cut with a carbide to get back to good base.

I won't even try to weld on a salt corroded mid or lower. They just keep spewing contaminate. When I weld aluminum cylinder heads that have been run on leaded race fuel, if have to really back cut the host material because the lead contaminates the weld so bad.

[XstreamVking]

I can't believe you would trash talk this poor chimp like that with no proof. He might be a much better welder than a lot of the humans out there doing marine repair work. Maybe we could have a welding competition to see.....

[wired247]

A weld with a spool gun using a good alloy wire ( or just the right alloy ) on pre heated CLEAN and prepped cast aluminum is every bit as strong and durable as a TIG weld. Contrary to what you may have heard or read, MIG welding is used in aerospace and mils spec welding shops such as the ones I have worked at. Its all about prep time and the proper equipment. I dont do a lot of welding at work any more just because I manage a few shops that include high dollar sanitary welders but I do do all the design and a lot of the inspection on said welds.

[powerabout]

A weld with a spool gun using a good alloy wire ( or just the right alloy ) on pre heated CLEAN and prepped cast aluminum is every bit as strong and durable as a TIG weld. Contrary to what you may have heard or read, MIG welding is used in aerospace and mils spec welding shops such as the ones I have worked at. Its all about prep time and the proper equipment. I dont do a lot of welding at work any more just because I manage a few shops that include high dollar sanitary welders but I do do all the design and a lot of the inspection on said welds.

is that still true after they have been sprayed with hot seawater for 20 years

Are we saying a welded casting is as durable as the original, regardless of what the aluminum casting is made from?

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is that still true after they have been sprayed with hot seawater for 20 years

note he said clean, my cousin welds for the air force and has done some bad ass weld with mig, but not for the air force they are tig only

[powerabout]

probably got to grind 1/4" from both sides then weld it. oops it aint that thick