Small Rough Water Cats....21 or 25 footer??

[hydroo]

If you want to run in the rough stuff Skater 32 Classic. The DCB is too heavy. That is why it runs well into the wind. It needs to pack more air and lift off the surface of the water. Balsa core and bagged is the way to go.

[WILDMAN]

The 25 Liberator has the same bottom as the 24 Skater. I've run over 90 in a 3ft chop with 30 mph winds. The 21 Liberator has a centerpod, and can still run wide open in a 2ft chop.
I'll make you a killer deal on this new 25 Liberator. More pics on my website. I also have 4 21's in stock.

[Ospreyproduction]

GHOST.....I really don't think he's talking about "Offshore" rollers. He's talking about rough lakes that he currently cruises in his 22 foot DCB. You act like he's running in 6 footers in the ocean.

The 21 Trick, 24 Skater, 25 Liberator and Motion as well as the 25 Talon and Trick's new 26 Voodoo are all great boats and all have an excellent ride without being too big or breaking the bank.

They will all have a better ride than any V-Hull out there that is the same size in the same water that you run your DCB. When it get's too rough for the DCB, every boat listed above will give you a very comfortable ride. None of these cats are well suited for offshore type swells but they will all run very well on a saturday afternoon lake.

I run a 25 Talon on my lake that normally has 2 footers and 3 footers on busy weekends and it's very comfortable.

[Ghost S84]

what 20 to 25 foot v bottom is superior to a same size cat with the same power? in any conditions


are any 24 foot v bottoms beating 24 foot skaters in offshore racing ? with the same engines of course

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Osprey this is what he said
Offshore racing is not lake racing by any means if he meant that then he clearly did no say that

[Ospreyproduction]

All I know is that in the offshore circut when you add in a substantial chop the cats CANNOT run fast b/c they stuff in the big seas.

Let me quote you then.

I'm trying to help the guy and you act like he's racing in the Offshore Circiut. Give me a break.

[GDM]

1980's he raced his 23 with a stock single 200 and his 28 with stock twin 200's ...Ill get the exact names of the boats if you want...all I know is ive seen videos of him passing cats of bigger classes b/c the seas were too big...Race teams actually carried 2 boats a V and a Cat and would run according to water conditions

i would like to know what kind of cats he was passing .

i do a lot of boating localy in the gsb and the ocean and i have yet to see conditions where the cats dont shine , in nasty bay chop the ride on a small v bottom sucks , in sloppy gsb conditions a cat goes right over it like a perfectly aligned rolls royce and the v is like a daewoo with 4 diffrent height tires and bent control arms




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[GDM]

one more thing , your goanna be in for a rude awakening once you ride your 23 foot ghost on the gsb on a windy sunday afternoon , west of the robert mosses bridge , when there is a true 2 to 3 foot wind blown chop , mixed with cabin cruiser wakes


it's goanna seem like you have a vandetta on your internal organs



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[SUPERBASH]

24 SUPERBOAT (78.4) in a steady head on 3' chop. No problem.

4-5' waves. No problem.

DanTheMans 24 S.O.B. CAT is there as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aINbi1ztRlo

[GDM]

24 SUPERBOAT (78.4) in a steady head on 3' chop. No problem.

4-5' waves. No problem.

DanTheMans 24 S.O.B. CAT is there as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aINbi1ztRlo

good vid i hadnt seen that one before

bash did you see the bay today ?

real serious wind , im lookig out at the bay right now as i type this and it is nasty out there , whitecaps on top of whitecaps


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[arrowwaves]

What have we learned?
There may be some new Ghosts running around soon.
Most people are delusional about the "big" water they actually run in.
Running in a lake is very different than running offshore.
A good driver can make his rig run its best in prevailing conditions.
Bajas and checkmates shouldn't be surprised at anything beating them.(sorry Jay I can't resist being funny)
Truthfully guys its all about where you boat and when you boat,as to what works for you.
IMHO the worst condition to boat in ,is the churn kicked up by the weekend warrior pleasure boater in places like LI's south shore.BE VERY CAREFUL!! They don't have a clue and yet they look at fast boats with disdain. Talk to your local law enforcement people they will tell you who they would rather be on the water with.
BTW thats me in the yellow Progression you see in Bash's posts.Gene is correct in saying that Dan is always right there in his 24 Skater,hell he is usually out in front!!

[Ghost S84]

GMD i will ask him what he can remember about who was running what ill also take a look at some old tapes...also this is not a personal thing I was responding to a comment made about Cats being superior to V's and like I said they both have there strong and weak points...There is no doubt that a 2-3 foot chop in a 20-24 SOB will be an asskicking but theres alot of factors that go into racing not just pure speed...(Wheel Skill, Navigation, Conditioning, Wave Height and Direction and a little luck) and from what I've seen and been told for the most part Cats are slower in rougher water then V's but excel in calmer seas thats all I am saying

Just food for thought if the cats are superior in all conditions then why would race teams waste money on carrying a V and a Cat to the race?

I look foward to meetin you this summer out in the bay...I assume you are rocking a CAT

[SpeedDemon]

24 SUPERBOAT (78.4) in a steady head on 3' chop. No problem.

4-5' waves. No problem.

DanTheMans 24 S.O.B. CAT is there as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aINbi1ztRlo

Thanks man for posting that video--that is exactly the kind of water I would consider to be the worst I commonly encounter on Lake Wallenpaupack....The wind starts blowing....then all the bagle barges start running at sloppy wake speed...the crap stews up and just gets worse and worse.

I used to run in it about 40-50mph in my Superboat 21, it was fun but would compress your spine. I've definitely become partial to the cats, just like the handling and flying feeling. I'm thinking a 25 Liberator, 26 Voodoo or 24 Skater is going to be the ticket.

Thanks,
Speeddemon

[SpeedDemon]

The 25 Liberator has the same bottom as the 24 Skater. I've run over 90 in a 3ft chop with 30 mph winds. The 21 Liberator has a centerpod, and can still run wide open in a 2ft chop.
I'll make you a killer deal on this new 25 Liberator. More pics on my website. I also have 4 21's in stock.

How fast will she run with 300's?

Speeddemon

[WILDMAN]

Depends on which 300's and the setup. I sold one a few years ago with 99 motors. It ran 112. Another ran 115 with 300X motors. The new motors would probably run 115 on the limiters.

[GDM]

this is not a personal thing

i know . im just busting chops to get a laugh and amuse myself , all in good fun

I look foward to meetin you this summer out in the bay...I assume you are rocking a CAT

i have a 23 foot cat and a 23 foot v bottom , ill bet you will get a kick out of the v bottom i have .

whenever you want to do back to back testing on my 23 cat vs my 23 v just to see which one is better in the rough , let me know . ill make a
believer out of you

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