White Is Wonderful!(post Omc Pics Here)

**ar300johnson** · 02-17-2008, 02:27 AM

brp is a much more profitable company than mercury. they are a leader in aviation, railcars, snowmobiles, and jet skies. a v-8 is well within their capabilities and they can make an easy 400 hp without any problem. with catalytic equiped sterndrives mandated by epa and carb, high hp outboards will replace a lot of big block chevys. i hope that an outboard hp race between mercury, brp and yamaha will bring better running, more performance, and hopefully keep prices reasonable. i have owned both mercury and omc and i hope that both are profitable. likewise for yamaha. more hp is good for all.

**theoldwizard** · 02-17-2008, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Laker

Wrong

Okay. Educate me.

Key point being a "production" motor. One they are willing to warranty like the rest of their products.

Also, the specs say that the 300 has 76mm stroke vs. the 225/250 73 mm. Did they have to raise the deck, or was there enough stroke in the existing block to just change the crank and rods ?

**theoldwizard** · 02-17-2008, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by ar300johnson

brp is a much more profitable company than mercury. they are a leader in aviation, railcars, snowmobiles, and jet skies.

BRP isn't Bombardier anymore. They spun off the railcars and air planes a couple of years ago. BRP is Bombardier Recreational Products. Evinrude, Johnson, SkiDOo SeaDoo, Rotax, CanAm. Except for Johnson, which is (temporarily) retired, they are all doing well, but I know sales could be a lot better.

...a v-8 is well within their capabilities ...

Engineering and manufacturing, absolutely. Financially, I don't know if they want to take the gamble.

They currently have no low end products. Wouldn't it be better marketing to have some "fishing" outboards from 5 - 35 hp (and the 40hp E-Tec is a pig) ?

Personally, I hope they bring back the V8. I would have to weigh a whole lot less than Yamaha's V8 and I'm sure it could run with Mercury.

**6Killer** · 02-17-2008, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by theoldwizard

Also, the specs say that the 300 has 76mm stroke vs. the 225/250 73 mm. Did they have to raise the deck, or was there enough stroke in the existing block to just change the crank and rods ?

Changed crank and relocated wrist pin.

**6Killer** · 02-17-2008, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by MTS1

would actually buy one, that is supposedly why merc quit sellin them, is the market really there? would u people spent the $20,000 still for a performance motor? i believe that is where the merc hipo stuff was gettin to be at the point they stopped.this is just a hypothetical question, alot of guys talk about wantin new stuff, would they purchase it?

BINGO!

I would say a High Performance 300/350 horsepower OB from Bomb would struggle sell around 50 units the first year and taper off after that. Not near enough to justify the development costs.

**E-tec1** · 02-17-2008, 12:31 PM

we know they will go on a mirage, stv etc without being a handlin issue, so far. all we can hope is they at least look into it.If the epa wasnt a facor, i think things would be different, but this is the way it is and theyll all develope something new, thats the stage thier at, nothing happens overnite

**6Killer** · 02-17-2008, 01:38 PM

A nice 300 ETEC with a factory 15 inch mid and a good gearcase for surfacing would be a sweet place for BRP to start. Leave the power head stock at first and see what the market likes. The mid and the gearcase are esential. A cool looking light cowl would also be very nice.

**E-tec1** · 02-17-2008, 02:07 PM

i like that idea

**LIQUID NIRVANA** · 02-17-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by 6Killer

BINGO!

I would say a High Performance 300/350 horsepower OB from Bomb would struggle sell around 50 units the first year and taper off after that. Not near enough to justify the development costs.

I disagree in regards development costs. The success this high performance race motor would have & the resultant publicity would send sales of their other great products through the roof.

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**neveredge** · 02-17-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by LIQUID NIRVANA

I disagree in regards development costs. The success this high performance race motor would have & the resultant publicity would send sales of their other great products through the roof.

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I agree. It is like the Viper for Dodge. They didn't make any money on them but it was a flagship product.

Just look what the 250 H.O. is doing for sales now that it is winning ski races. BRP is getting tons of free buzz that they don't have to pay for.

A bone stock 300 (gotta be at least 320 at the prop) with a 15" mid and surfacing case would sell. It would be the motor of choice on Bullets, Allis, Stokers, Strokers, STVs, and Liberators. They would also sell as replacements for Merc 280s and 300X's on light boats.

Weight would still be an issue but that can be reduced with the short mid and light hood and lighter parts.

As for a V8 etec. They would sell tons of them to the upscale offshore fisherman. That is what Merc is targeting with the new 350 Verado and Yammie with the 350 V8.

An Etec V8 would come in at just under 600 lbs. and could easily make 400 hp. This would trump the Verado and the Yammie. Rich guys with little nads and big wallets would be all over them.

**Freddie Webb** · 02-17-2008, 07:53 PM

There is no reason not to produce a 15" midsection with the new gear ratio 1.71:1? This would go well on a bass boat with the 300 power head, no excuse not to do it.

**Gusto1** · 02-18-2008, 07:05 PM

did you see the pic on page 1 of this thread? couple years ago but it's your boat, who's the chick in the bikini? I know I was there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Instigator** · 02-19-2008, 12:49 AM

junk in the garage

**Gusto1** · 02-19-2008, 01:16 AM

Looks like good "JUNK", we got the same junk in MTS1's garage although I'm 2,000 miles away now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Going back up to Seattle to make these Johnson's kick some butt this summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, no pics tho!