The Big 6 -- Outboards.

[pcrussell50]

I would not assume that a DFI 2 stroke costs as much to make as an equivalent 4 stroke. Price and manufacturing costs are not the same

That’s what I would have thought too. But Ski, who is a pretty smart bloke, gave us pricing data comparing the two as well as carb motors, and based off of his data they were all around the same price.

I can tell you that when I was looking at ETEC 90 and 135/115HO (the 115HO was the 135 with different badging, near as I can tell), they were… eye wateringly expensive. It was almost a joke, they were so expensive. If BRP held onto their pricing strategy to the end, no wonder they went under. But they were fairly light in certain power categories. I’ll give them that.

-Peter

[powerabout]

The 150 3 cyl was probably the best lightest most fuel efficient engine ever.
How was the pricing on that?

[skialot2]

The 150 3 cyl was probably the best lightest most fuel efficient engine ever.
How was the pricing on that?

The 2020 Evinrude 150 3 cylinder had 11 different model numbers available. The lightest one available is listed at 397 lbs. and the heaviest is 433 lbs. I don't know much about Evinrude's, so I picked 2 models at random. A K150WLP listed for $14,185 Now worth about $6500. A K150GXT was $15,445 Now valued around $7100. For comparison a 2020 Mercury Fourstroke 150 was $14,635. Now worth about $8000 and had a listed weight of 455 lbs. A150ProXS listed at $15,210 Now worth around $8600.

A 1976 1500XS Mercury had a listed weight of 285lbs. That is probably the lightest 150HP outboard ever. But, nowhere near as fuel efficient.

[pcrussell50]

The 2020 Evinrude 150 3 cylinder had 11 different model numbers available. The lightest one available is listed at 397 lbs. and the heaviest is 433 lbs. I don't know much about Evinrude's, so I picked 2 models at random. A K150WLP listed for $14,185 Now worth about $6500. A K150GXT was $15,445 Now valued around $7100. For comparison a 2020 Mercury Fourstroke 150 was $14,635. Now worth about $8000 and had a listed weight of 455 lbs. A150ProXS listed at $15,210 Now worth around $8600.

A 1976 1500XS Mercury had a listed weight of 285lbs. That is probably the lightest 150HP outboard ever. But, nowhere near as fuel efficient.

Ski, are you using NADA Guide for this info?

-Peter

[skialot2]

Ski, are you using NADA Guide for this info?

-Peter

Yes. But it is now J.D. Power. J.D Power bought NADA Guides back in 2015.

[powerabout]

Yes. But it is now J.D. Power. J.D Power bought NADA Guides back in 2015.

better to compare the engines of the same year as features were added over the years it all added weight.

[skialot2]

better to compare the engines of the same year as features were added over the years it all added weight.

I compared a 2020 Evinrude 150 3 cylinder to a 2020 Mercury 150 4 cylinder. But neither are the lightest ever. Not even close

[powerabout]

I compared a 2020 Evinrude 150 3 cylinder to a 2020 Mercury 150 4 cylinder. But neither are the lightest ever. Not even close

Sure i should of said lightest on the market
Best emissions and economy ever

[David]

In my limited experience, one opti, two Etecs, zero 4 strokes, the Etec was the best. Service is much easier. Changing opti plugs is a pain.

We know what everything sold for. We don’t know what the motors cost to build.

[David]

A big V8 outboard cat was doing laps of our lake yesterday. It’s 11 miles by 2.5 miles. Usually the offshore crowd run up the center of the lake, but this one ran much closer to shore. I was surprised how loud it was.

Offshore cats are on my list of things that are interesting that I would never want.