Electric Boat Fire?

[NICE PAIR]

Take FJB money away .. and the EV interest will drop like a hookers skirt.

ifin ya want to know how much you spend on fuel in your area, just look at your bill.



Chaz = thinkin, that the garden weasel's dream work truck can haul this much on a single charge ...

Semi's ... LMAO, Cgargle ... trevor milton .. pppfffttttt



Chaz= thinkin, "good ole fords and Chevies" for the win ...

[CUDA]

My Cybertruck will be over the $80,000 cut off so no tax credit, My brothers new Lucid Air GT is double the $55,000 limit, all of Tesla S and X models are too expensive to get a credit.


https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductio...-2023-or-after

[Speed Jr.]

My Cybertruck will be over the $80,000 cut off so no tax credit, My brothers new Lucid Air GT is double the $55,000 limit, all of Tesla S and X models are too expensive to get a credit.


https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductio...-2023-or-after

The federal tax credits are mostly for corporations/businesses as they dont have the restrictions/limitations individuals do. Same with leasing the vehicles. 80% of leased vehicles are corporate leases anyhow. I wrote about this in the appropriate section. Not a big deal if you do the research. My tax strategist sets up leasing S corps for business owners to then lease to themselves. If/when I purchase an EV that's the game plan.

[pcrussell50]

The federal tax credits are mostly for corporations/businesses as they dont have the restrictions/limitations individuals do. Same with leasing the vehicles. 80% of leased vehicles are corporate leases anyhow. I wrote about this in the appropriate section. Not a big deal if you do the research. My tax strategist sets up leasing S corps for business owners to then lease to themselves. If/when I purchase an EV that's the game plan.

Basically, yes. Certain states have mandatory market share for BEVs. Which means that any given manufacturer that sells cars in CA or any of the other handful of states that piggybacks on CA regulations, is required to sell a certain percentage of ZEV, which means BEV. And unless it is a prestige marque like Tesla or Audi or Jag or Rivian, nobody wants them. So what do the manufacturers do? The manufacturers buy their own cars themselves and then lease them to people, often for a loss, just to keep inventory moving. We had a chance to lease a brand new Leaf, for like $160/month. Practically free. And we would have. But it just didn’t have the range to run 35 miles to work work with the a/c on, sit for 2-5 days in Vegas heat, not charging because there is are no chargers in the employee lot, and then drive 35 miles back with the a/c on. Too risky. Would have been range anxiety every time, and worsening as the battery aged. But for short drives it was a hoot. Quickest econobox we’ve ever driven. Although a couple freeway entrance ramp blasts is murder for range as we found out when we rented a Tesla Model 3 last spring. Was supposed to have 260 miles range, but two full throttle 40-80mph freeway entrance ramp blasts, and a couple of 0-50 blasts on the side streets and range was down to 180 in a hurry. Was a great drag car. Quickest street legal car I can remember driving. But better not have too much fun with it.

-Peter

[Chaz]

When I said FJB money, well our tax money, we were talking about the mfg end, not consumer.

The present government, bowing to the extreme left wants a George Jetson society, so they gave car mfg's tons of our money to develop vehicles that run on anything but the one thing we have an over abundance of .... right here in the ground.

Looks like the "tax credit" thing aint workin either. Maybe FJB should mail the end purchaser a rebate check direct. Or just go full tard and buy all registered dims a new EV.

Place stupid people in DC, win stupid prizes ..

[Brad Zastrow]

Chaz, I notice you revert to name-calling when proven wrong time and again. You assume I am somehow woke whatever the hell that means. I enjoy the best cars that are available. News flash it is not 1995 anymore. Last week I bought a 2023 Corvette convertible Z51. Is that woke? I also have a 1940 Willys coupe with a chopped top. Is that woke? EVs are the future. I want the very best and that includes a Tesla S.

[pcrussell50]

Is that woke? EVs are the future. I want the very best and that includes a Tesla S.

Without government force, I’m not so sure that is true. Batteries had their day, back when cars first started. Batteries and electric motors are waaay older tech than IC motors, predating IC by at least half a century. In the late 1800’s to about 1900, everything was battery electric until this happened:

Imagine that you come upon the scene, claiming to have unearthed a mysterious liquid that burns readily, can be pumped around at will, stores in a container of any shape, has unheard-of energy density, and to top it all off, effectively vanishes when its energy is extracted, so that it no longer needs to be lugged around. The claims would be so outlandish that you would be dismissed as a charlatan.

This capability has yet to be superseded, least of all by the ancient technology it replaced.

-Peter

[Brad Zastrow]

I guess the auto manufacturers have it wrong spending so much money on developing EV. Good to know.

[pcrussell50]

I guess the auto manufacturers have it wrong spending so much money on developing EV. Good to know.

Quite the opposite, mate. The auto makers are smart. They know exactly how the game is played. They know the way the regulatory winds are blowing and the consequences of a low ESG score. In your line of work, I imagine you understand ESG.

-Peter

[JPEROG]

Right now the electric charging stations are free in many locations. Who is covering that bill? When they get everyone forced into the "electric corner", and we are all dependent on electric, who will set the prices? All of it sounds like more a socialistic style of life and control then I ever expected to see in my time on earth. The manufactures are getting more government money then ever thrown at them from our current administration. I sure think that elec. assist is a great option. The new ZR1 along with all of the other top performance cars are proving it worthy.

Joe

[CUDA]

Put solar on your roof, problem solved, you can buy used EV car battries with lots of storage, cheap.

You can get a nice system for $30,000 to 40,000 depending on battery, then you get a 30% federal Tax credit.

A friend was spending over $400. per month on electric for his shop, not anymore.

[pcrussell50]

Before you sign the dotted line on solar for your roof:

1) make sure you are not on the hook for disposal costs, when they age out, and that the company you sign with will cover that cost since photovoltaics are hazmat and not suitable landfills.

2) make sure that they re-roof or do a fully warrantied seal of the holes in your roof, again when the panels age out and need removal.

3) make sure you are not on the hook for any water damage from roof leaks if water gets in around the mounts

And most importantly, since a lot of these companies won’t be around for you to make these claims against, speak to your lawyer about having the company set aside money in an escrow account for you to use to cover the company’s obligations to you in the event it’s needed and they aren’t around to make good on their promises.

or

Eat those costs yourself, understanding that your nearly free electricity won’t be nearly as free as you thought during the “new solar honeymoon”.

-Peter

[Chaz]

Commiedore, I notice that you resort to lying when presented with facts and common sense ..

BTW, how many time have you posted .. I'm done with this thread .. in the last year ??

I know what it is ... you miss me .. desperately.

40 Willies, hard to tell .. maybe you gotz some (10% @ most) southern krakka in yur blood ..

At the next brunchen , tell ya homies, lori lightfoot and kim smollet (or whatever her name is) that I said howdy ma'am ... Ohh, bless they hearts ..

[JPEROG]

Before you sign the dotted line on solar for your roof:

1) make sure you are not on the hook for disposal costs, when they age out, and that the company you sign with will cover that cost since photovoltaics are hazmat and not suitable landfills.

2) make sure that they re-roof or do a fully warrantied seal of the holes in your roof, again when the panels age out and need removal.

3) make sure you are not on the hook for any water damage from roof leaks if water gets in around the mounts

And most importantly, since a lot of these companies won’t be around for you to make these claims against, speak to your lawyer about having the company set aside money in an escrow account for you to use to cover the company’s obligations to you in the event it’s needed and they aren’t around to make good on their promises.

or

Eat those costs yourself, understanding that your nearly free electricity won’t be nearly as free as you thought during the “new solar honeymoon”.

-Peter

100% correct. I have neighbors who put panels on their standing seam steel roof "which is what I have". Their panels became (way less productive) with age and they pulled them. The roof repairs ate up more then they ever saved.

Even today's panels, (being more efficient and used in Florida-"way more sun then most get"), take 10 years on average to return the cost in savings. I think we will continue to invest any extra money and can for sure more then double it in 10 years conservatively.

Joe

[powerabout]

I wonder if the car parks in the USA will get further apart the more EV's start to fill them?
Perhaps only every second carpark can be an EV but then what is more likely to go up beside a burning EV, another EV or ICE car?

What are the rate of fires for parked EV versus parked ICE?