300R on a Mirage Jaguar Ski Racer

[Whaaaaat]

I'm sure their is about 20lbs of weight savings if someone makes a carbon cowl with bottom pans. instead of everyone running 8-12" of setback.... bring it in to 4" and that changes the lever/weight distribution A TON. not sure why everyone is set on 500 lbs as when you add the external components of the 3.2xs your probably close to 525-530

Hey I see you run a 2.5. So i just wanted to tell you about how much better the 4 joke with the non-existent carbon upgrades is over the 3.2 opti that is also to heavy for your boat. Thanks for the irrelevant info, are you a politician by chance?

And sure change the whole geometry of the boat to make it work he says. Forget the balance, thrust angle, center of gravity front to back and side to side.

[Whaaaaat]

Correct, the motors hanging off the transom is the cheap end of the boat. What a deal. Dont need monster V8 I/O's and drives to push big boats anymore. Huge $$$ saved. Smoke clears? What smoke? �� You keep on rebuilding your stuff.....Nobody will hold it against you.

Greg G, the "Mercury has screwed the market" mentality is just not founded. The company that offers SOMETHING is bad in your eyes, the others who offer NOTHING, you make no mention of.....Let's get real here. Mercury is working on cool stuff and will be offering more options. Dont be that guy like some others in here that will critique anything and everything cause it doesn't suit your needs perfectly.

Enjoy the day!

How did we get from will this 300arrghh 4 joke work in place of my 280 on my 18 footer. To these 4 jokes are so much better when there hanging off the transom as opposed to in the bilge?

[Speed Jr.]

How did we get from will this 300arrghh 4 joke work in place of my 280 on my 18 footer. To these 4 jokes are so much better when there hanging off the transom as opposed to in the bilge?

Well stick with your 20 year old technology and keep rebuilding like Chaz believes is the better option. Others will move on and progress. To answer your second question; Because they are much lighter, much more affordable, less maintenance, more room in boat, quieter, on and on.....

[Speed Jr.]

Hey I see you run a 2.5. So i just wanted to tell you about how much better the 4 joke with the non-existent carbon upgrades is over the 3.2 opti that is also to heavy for your boat. Thanks for the irrelevant info, are you a politician by chance?

And sure change the whole geometry of the boat to make it work he says. Forget the balance, thrust angle, center of gravity front to back and side to side.

Probably because Brett is optimistic about using current technology to do great things. What he has done with his Etecs are phenomenal to say the least. I wouldnt trade the Etec on any of my boats for a 2.5. My Liberator came with a mint 2.5 280 53 hrs on it. After the test ride, sold it to replace with a 3.4L Etec. Much better motor with all the torque. 15" 300r will be the next repower once available. I ran a 550lbs motor on a Mirage RR and as I said before, handled it fine. See no issues with it handling a 300r.....Gearcase is bigger, May want a hydraulic plate to lift it up high once rolling. Since its a Mirage, double check the floor and transom yada yada.

Never thought there would be a day I'd be sticking up for Mercury towards other Mercury guys......Hell has frozen over. Lol

Jr.

[wicheckmate]

Hey I see you run a 2.5. So i just wanted to tell you about how much better the 4 joke with the non-existent carbon upgrades is over the 3.2 opti that is also to heavy for your boat. Thanks for the irrelevant info, are you a politician by chance?

And sure change the whole geometry of the boat to make it work he says. Forget the balance, thrust angle, center of gravity front to back and side to side.

LOL irrevlevant info??? your part of the problem... would rather sit on here and bitch about how the companies don't make anything for your boat. Again the 2.5 2.4 and even the 2.0 liter **** is and was awesome. No i'm not a politician forgive me for thinking outside your little 2 stroke box. this is the problem with this site.

[Stoker boy]

No, they weren't made for lightweight 18 ft boats, but we can make due in some cases.

Now that I would totally agree with.👍🏻

[oldschoolltv]

I was a Honda Motorcycle dealer for 35 years and was a 2 cycle dirt bike guy my whole life, I hated 4 stroke dirt bikes, Until the crf450r came out. One ride and I was hooked, it made me a better rider, I just hope they don’t forget about us small boat guys as things keep progressing in the 4 stroke outboard world.

[Stoker boy]

The FULL throttle boats T-3 with the tunnel extensions providing more float in the rear is an excellent example of this. That will float that 300R all day long. In the next couple years I plan on moving from E-tec to Merc V8 to drag and just like time will repeat itself there will be nothing but crickets when it runs with or past most of the old school stuff.

Are you going to run with the pack with a bone stock 300R no modifications that would void the warranty? I’m thinking if you figure out a way to Frankenstein a 300R it should be a screamer.

[wicheckmate]

Are you going to run with the pack with a bone stock 300R no modifications that would void the warranty? I’m thinking if you figure out a way to Frankenstein a 300R it should be a screamer.

stock form will be first to get a baseline... simple basic steps... faster trim... lighter bolts and components. See where it is in true drag race form. Then after that I guess whatever it takes. Even an etec with just the simple rev limiter removed gave enough people headaches LOL

[wicheckmate]

stock form will be first to get a baseline... simple basic steps... faster trim... lighter bolts and components. See where it is in true drag race form. Then after that I guess whatever it takes. Even an etec with just the simple rev limiter removed gave enough people headaches LOL

the other way to do it would be to introduce a 4 stroke class and no internal mods could be done which then comes down to propping, set up, hull type and driver

[Stoker boy]

stock form will be first to get a baseline... simple basic steps... faster trim... lighter bolts and components. See where it is in true drag race form. Then after that I guess whatever it takes. Even an etec with just the simple rev limiter removed gave enough people headaches LOL

After the warranty is over?

[JPEROG]

I was a Honda Motorcycle dealer for 35 years and was a 2 cycle dirt bike guy my whole life, I hated 4 stroke dirt bikes, Until the crf450r came out. One ride and I was hooked, it made me a better rider, I just hope they don’t forget about us small boat guys as things keep progressing in the 4 stroke outboard world.

2002 was a high point for me when I got my first new 450. I too was a CR500 guy and bought a new one every year for many years 1986 was my first new one. Now I have a KTM 450 wow "traction control, launch control, fuel injection, elec. start" they continue to get better and better I just wish I didn't continue to get older and older....

Joe

[wicheckmate]

Specific to what ?? Putting faster trim on it ???

[Whaaaaat]

I want to keep up with the Jones's. I see so many boats out there with 5 or 6 car motors on the transom. Can I put 3 300aarrggh 4 jokes on my 17 action marine? I did a real swell job on the hull. Cardboard stringers with superglue resin. It's real nice. Should hold 3 of those lightweight modern transom car motor contraptions right? I mean there the newest bestest, should be lighter than that old 2.5 stuff right? I mean that crap was 30 years ago there's no way that old stuff is lighter and simpler than fancy modern stuff?


Just because something is new and in fashion doesn't mean it's better than what came before it. It doesn't even imply that it's good!

[wicheckmate]

It doesn’t but it’s what is out and what is coming. Don’t know who is trying to keep up with the neighbors??? It’s called being a little competitive and forward thinking . Nobody is saying you can’t rebuild your stuff . And if that’s what makes you happy that’s awesome. But what drives me is new technology and working to keep driving forward. I do have to laugh at how bitter you are towards anything new. If mercury came out with a new 2 stroke you would find some way to dog that too I’m sure .