Outboard Top Speed World Record 200 mph Attempt

[nitro_rat]

And **** the UIM

[Mark Poole ModVP]

Actually, racing kayaks have not changed much in the last 7 years, neither have the "wing" paddles that are used in racing. Why? Because so many people have spent so much time and effort and money researching it that they all have come to the same conclusion....or in this case, the same design parameters. Stray outside of those parameters and it will not work as good. Is paddle sport racing big? Look up these kayak brand names.....Epic, Think, Nelo, Fenn, Carbonology, just to name a few.

Now, you can bet if the same number of people and time was spent on a record outboard boat the same thing would happen. Design research and testing would quickly narrow down what works good and what does not. I make no claims to being some kind of know it all. All I want ya to do is look at every outboard record boat from the first hydro that went over 100 mph...1957 I think....to the Second Effort boat. Same basic design thought. Low, thin, sleek, tapered, air trapping three point prop rider.

As far as the RC boats go, it is the INBOARD engine RC outriggers that are the fastest, not the outboard powered ones. Hardly anyone races outboard powered outriggers anymore. The tunnel hulls are faster, even in a straight line.

[nitro_rat]

Now, you can bet if the same number of people and time was spent on a record outboard boat the same thing would happen. Design research and testing would quickly narrow down what works good and what does not.

I disagree. The mortality rate in the “testing” phase of chasing water speed records would weed out 99.9% before they made a meaningful contribution!!!

Anybody (or almost anybody) can go out and buy the best of the best kayak and go paddle it to it’s (or more likely their own) full potential. They can do this with a reasonable expectation of no more bodily injury than some sore muscles. Statistically speaking I would be willing to bet that there is a higher percentage of DEAD kayakers than LIVE serious water speed record contenders...

[FMP]

More coffee

[woodbender]

I am fairly new to this forum and I started reading and realized I probably won't live long enough to read everything on here but when I found this thread I got excited. This is my main interest (st.way records on a much smaller scale) but I find this very interesting. I read every word of every page and although there is a lot of b.s. (which happens on all forums) it is still good reading. But then I get to the end and find the project has been scrapped. What a disappointment. I wanted to see one of these riggers going fast with an outboard. I have watched videos of the "twisted boat running and I don't think it ever even got close to 100mph and ran as wet as a jet ski with 2-500 lb. people on it. Well designed riggers run very light on the water even at slow speeds. I really hope this can eventually happen but it seems like it probably will not.

[CUDA]

The boat ran well over a 100 mph , how can you tell speed looking at a video , how fast were the Indy cars last week ? please tell us.

[CUDA]

" I don't think it ever even got close to 100mph and ran as wet as a jet ski with 2-500 lb. people on it. Well designed riggers run very light on the water even at slow speeds. "

Didn't know I was on that committee ,

when someone with no knowledge makes such a statement like THAT , what do you expect ...

[StratosVT]

Guido went 164? with a F1 boat. The motor Monty and Chaz put together is more than capable

This is the approach I'd think would be a logical combo to break the record: Modified F1 boat + Monty V8 = New World Record. I don't think 200 is a realistic goal but definitely think that setup could easily set a new record without a giant budget. I don't understand why someone would need multiple boats, motors, transports and all that crap to do it.

[woodbender]

when someone with no knowledge makes such a statement like THAT , what do you expect ...

CUDA-I have been successful at setting a kilo record and winning several UIM world Championships. What are your credentials? This thread turned into people expressing there opinions and I was expressing mine. I still say the "twisted" boat was an ABSOLUTE FAILURE and would never go fast running wet like I saw in the videos.

[woodbender]

This is the approach I'd think would be a logical combo to break the record: Modified F1 boat + Monty V8 = New World Record. I don't think 200 is a realistic goal but definitely think that setup could easily set a new record without a giant budget. I don't understand why someone would need multiple boats, motors, transports and all that crap to do it.

I would like to see a video of that 164 run-very impressive but a Tunnel boat traps too much air and is the most dangerous boat you could use to try for this record-IMO. I always have been and always will be a tunnel boat person but not for this record.

[Spectre Powerboats]

This is the approach I'd think would be a logical combo to break the record: Modified F1 boat + Monty V8 = New World Record. I don't think 200 is a realistic goal but definitely think that setup could easily set a new record without a giant budget. I don't understand why someone would need multiple boats, motors, transports and all that crap to do it.

Credentials Please! Also, what would you modify on a F1?

[CUDA]

"I don't think it ever even got close to 100mph and ran as wet as a jet ski with 2-500 lb. people on it. Well designed riggers run very light on the water even at slow speeds."

Please don't run away , from YOUR statement , No one ever said much was accomplished , it was a project in motion till Rick's death , they were making changes, breaking new ground trying to figure things out, the project was to be moved to a better area , away from , the small ditch where those video's were taken in, lots of debris in the water there.
Your statement is VERY HARSH don't you think , You can make such statements and that's OK , way off base on MPH , but that's ok right , know it all attitude it what I see.

[StratosVT]

Credentials Please! Also, what would you modify on a F1?

Don't know what you mean by "Credentials Please" but if an F1 race boat can do 160 with a 2.5 Merc, why can't the same boat do 10+ more mph with a 600hp V8? At that speed nothing can be truly safe and I never said anything about safety. jmo, no need to bash! As for mods I was thinking something that would make it pack a little less air.

[StratosVT]

I would like to see a video of that 164 run-very impressive but a Tunnel boat traps too much air and is the most dangerous boat you could use to try for this record-IMO. I always have been and always will be a tunnel boat person but not for this record.

Never said anything about safety. Throw safety out the window and hang the same horsepower motor on the back of whatever boat you want.....which hull design is going to be the fastest in perfect water conditions?

Here is your video of the run (does this look like "the most dagerous boat you could use to try for this record"):
http://www.guidocappellini.com/Guido....php?lingua=uk

[Mark Poole ModVP]

Racing is dangerous at almost all levels. Straight line records have always been and will be very dangerous.

I will say one more thing about kayaks and stop because this is not a kayak forum. No, almost no one who has never been on a racing kayak can paddle one. Go get on a 17" wide racing kayak and all you will be doing is swimming. It takes a lot of time and practice.