Screaming Eagle Boats New Edge 22 Cat

[Chaz]

All plugs or running plugs that have had major mods should be destroyed, because they are either to heavy or to dangerous because of all the chopping and re-glassing. It is mechanic fastening, not chemical, so it will never be as good as one out of the mold.

****** is the most famous for chopping boats up into pieces and I know no one wants to hear a bad word about them, but I have had a lot of these chopped up boats in my shop after as little as 2 years for major cosmetic repairs. I would love to post pictures of them, but it would be a death sentence to my company if I let them out. Just like the whole fuel tank deals and ethanol story. Here is a tank that has had noting but race fuel in it from day one it was built. Probably get crap for posting these.

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Thank you for answering honestly . Perhaps I'm too old fashioned , but I respect someone that can throw the ball over the plate . Now a days , it seems most would rather just walk around the big pink elephant in the room than dare look at it with an open mind , evaluate , and label it for what it really is .
It takes a lot of Kool-Aid to accept the above type situation's in the picture as a normal occurrence . But , to each their own ....

You guys are gearing up nicely to satisfy a pretty wide spectrum of choice , at the perfect time . It appears we are making a run at a bull market in our country . There already seems to be more disposable income floating around than there has in the last eight years ...
BTW ... I hope there is no hard feelings about the grief (crap) I gave you in the 200 MPH threads . It was just "pre~record attempt" banter as far as I was concerned . My apologies , if my competitive nature became offensive or a bit overbearing

[Scream And Fly]

@Screaming Eagle Boats
Todd, I love threads like these and the new boat looks awesome. Please keep the photos coming!
I'm going to send you an email about some photos too.

Thanks!
Greg

[FUJIMO]

Ever wonder why boats aren't shortened, versus lengthened?

[Spectre Powerboats]

Thank you for answering honestly . Perhaps I'm too old fashioned , but I respect someone that can throw the ball over the plate . Now a days , it seems most would rather just walk around the big pink elephant in the room than dare look at it with an open mind , evaluate , and label it for what it really is .
It takes a lot of Kool-Aid to accept the above type situation's in the picture as a normal occurrence . But , to each their own ....

You guys are gearing up nicely to satisfy a pretty wide spectrum of choice , at the perfect time . It appears we are making a run at a bull market in our country . There already seems to be more disposable income floating around than there has in the last eight years ...
BTW ... I hope there is no hard feelings about the grief (crap) I gave you in the 200 MPH threads . It was just "pre~record attempt" banter as far as I was concerned . My apologies , if my competitive nature became offensive or a bit overbearing

Chaz,you are good. I usually have pretty thick skin, so I try to let a lot of things bounce off. Not always, but I try.

It is very sad for the loss of Rick. A true asset to the boating community that left us to soon.

Yes, this cutting these boats up, re-assembling and charging these outlandish prices is out of control.

I don't get to visit the the other boat builders shops like I use to, but one of the builders that I have the utmost respect for is Doug Wright. I had talked to Doug on the phone before, but after meeting Doug for the first time in person January of 2016, viewing his shop and talking shop, he would be the only other one I would trust for any major mods to a boat. Just talked to him yesterday and always enjoy his knowledge.

The big and little boat market seems to be strong. I am trying to figure out how to get this youth to put down these damn electronical devices and get into boating.

[Spectre Powerboats]

Ever wonder why boats aren't shortened, versus lengthened?

Whether lengthening or shortening, nothing matches up. So, you have to extend the areas really far out to make them blend. This is why we will probably burn this boat/plug when done.

[wetsetmarine]

Good luck Todd! Looks awesome!!!

[FUJIMO]

Whether lengthening or shortening, nothing matches up. So, you have to extend the areas really far out to make them blend. This is why we will probably burn this boat/plug when done.

...Understand. My question isn't neccessarilly a serious one though Todd. I have done a bit of tooling myself over the years. Why the heck do people in the boat building business, always stretch an existing boat for they're purposes, versus shorting? Humor me.

[Spectre Powerboats]

Shortening actually is easier and makes the most sense. I remember years ago when Skater stretched a 28 to 30 and shortened a 32 to 30. In my opinion, the shortening is much easier.

We looked at taking a 24 and shortening it, but after laying it out, I was not pleased with the look. It looked like it was really thick, bulky and stubby looking.

This boat we are using will never be run and will probably get burned once the molds are made. I am not big on cutting boats up and lengthening or shortening them , as you know they are not as strong as they were when they came out of the mold. I think it is more of a sales tactic to convenience people to one off boats. I am the first one to tell people I don't like to do it, but I am not dumb enough to turn them away if they want it done.

This 21 should not look much like the 21 Skater when I am done. At least that is the plan. For me it is a foundation to build on top of.

We just got the front back on and all leveled up. I hope to get some more bracing and the first layers of glass on today. I will post pictures tonight. Thanks

[wetsetmarine]

Good luck Todd! Looks awesome!!!

You have the right team for this and all your projects!!

[Spectre Powerboats]

These photos stink, but the front is back on, straightened up and secured. We will reinforce the top side with 2x4's and glass them on, just to support it for being flipped. Than we will remove the bottom bracing and start glassing and fairing. We have some work to do around the top and transom still before all of that takes place. I don't know if you can tell from the photos, but it is wide and looks good in person.

[JPEROG]

This is like watching a time lapse video-unreal what guys that want to work can get done

Joe

[Brabender]

Love the photos, thank you for sharing

[AZMIDLYF]

Moving the dash forward should open the interior up nicely. CG affected much by this?

[Spectre Powerboats]

Moving the dash forward should open the interior up nicely. CG affected much by this?

Moving the cockpit forward is needed, because of the extra width added to the tunnel and we will be adding a little more lift to the bottom, so that also requires moving the driver forward. That is how I settled on the measurements I did. I am fighting with myself on widening the cockpit to much, because as you move further away from the center of the tunnel outwards, which is what we call "side to side CG", you create an un-equal pressure (drag) on one sponson versus the other. In a perfect world or should I say a race world, keeping the driver and passengers in the center is more efficient, but these are high speed pleasure boats, so we have to figure out how to keep them as stable as we can, but also pleasure friendly. There is a lot of behind the scene figuring that goes into a project like this. We look at the compression, lift, sponson surface area, the angle of the tunnel (which is not always the same angle as the sponsons), the CG of the boat long ways, the CG side to side, and the vertical CG, there is a lot of head scratching taking place sometimes. It all looks good on paper and the computer screen, but I have to go with real world testing and past experience. I'm the same way about motors on a dyno. I don't get excited till I see them in real world conditions, not buzzing them up for a few seconds to make it's peak and then lift. I want to see it stretched on and off, jumping in and out of the water, loading and un-loading the crap out of the prop like I would use it on the lake. Then if it lives for over 150 plus hours till I have to rebuild it, I am happy. The race tunnel boats we use to build were a little easier, because we were not working with such a changing condition such as passengers, drastic fuel changes and boats that need to perform well at a variety of speeds. Sorry for the book.

[AZMIDLYF]

Todd, you and various other highly skilled and knowledgeable guys on here like Chaz, Racer, etc. never need to apologize for sharing that with us. I for one thoroughly appreciate the opportunity to learn from it and actually am the one that should apologize for my simple minded questions.

I also agree with you that the variables are much greater when dealing in the pleasure craft vs racing design.