30ft motion twin 400r

[whipper]

Whats the Race motor cost? The skeg must have been modified on the race boat because it is swept more than the stock photo.

[AZMIDLYF]

Think I read somewhere the Xcat motors were $45

[whipper]

So after tax and rigging 100 grand for 800hp and 1400 lbs. Hmm pretty sure i can get 1000+ hp for a lot less money and weight than that.

[Dirk Pitt]

Think I read somewhere the Xcat motors were $45

thats like 45 cents to those guys 45 thousand 45 million whats the difference they want them lol

[Dirk Pitt]

Differences are mid section, 15 shaft in lower unit. It is the same gear case on both the 20inch US version and the race version. Clamp bracket is different also.
Race motors have external fuel pumps and dry sump oil tanks in the boat also.
Powerhead on both motors are the same.

thats a cool set up

[whipper]

thats like 45 cents to those guys 45 thousand 45 million whats the difference they want them lol

Ya no doubt! I also think its a cool setup. i love the way they look just think they could have done better with the hp and weight. Everyone of those boats will be gone and they will have to build new boats around the 400ROS i guess. if ya got the cash flow thats no big deal ofcourse. in racing everything has gotten bigger and bigger over the years.

[Instigator]

Ya no doubt! I also think its a cool setup. i love the way they look just think they could have done better with the hp and weight. Everyone of those boats will be gone and they will have to build new boats around the 400ROS i guess. if ya got the cash flow thats no big deal ofcourse. in racing everything has gotten bigger and bigger over the years.

Go to the Keys and count the Uber center consoles you see. Been saying that for yrs.

Theres a dealer in Islamorada that at any time will have a 1/2 dozen quad engine boats, 6 or 8 tri engines and probably a full dozen twins. All new, all top end.
My questions are always:
A. How can you afford that inventory/overhead??
B. How many do you actually sell??
C. and how often do you turn your inventory?

A point missed by many is, the cowling says 400 instead of 350 regardless of performance which many won't notice/care.
But when they pull into the yacht club, condo, hotel, tiki bar, gas station, storage lot....., and he has triple 400's instead of 350's like everyone has now...

And has been said many, many times on this site, how many on here will actually buy a 400r??
One thing for sure, not enough for Merc to build them.

[BC Black Max]

We have it so good, we can sit back and discuss motors that we can or cannot afford!
Will or would not buy.
How fast we can go, or how cool we look.

This is all very serious stuff, its "developed world problems".

So, 400 HP. Everyone has a choice. Buy it or build it.

Any Mercury Racing product is made with care, and their is a dedicated set of personnel waiting to help you go faster. No other OEM marine propulsion company has a racing department. Be very thankful they still make racing products. If you want to go fast with a previously manufactured Mercury racing product that is great too. Keep all the Mercs running.

There is absolutely no need to Criticize the 400R or the people that built it, or those that buy it.

Go to the Keys and count the Uber center consoles you see. Been saying that for yrs.

Theres a dealer in Islamorada that at any time will have a 1/2 dozen quad engine boats, 6 or 8 tri engines and probably a full dozen twins. All new, all top end.
My questions are always:
A. How can you afford that inventory/overhead??
B. How many do you actually sell??
C. and how often do you turn your inventory?

A point missed by many is, the cowling says 400 instead of 350 regardless of performance which many won't notice/care.
But when they pull into the yacht club, condo, hotel, tiki bar, gas station, storage lot....., and he has triple 400's instead of 350's like everyone has now...

And has been said many, many times on this site, how many on here will actually buy a 400r??
One thing for sure, not enough for Merc to build them.

[Chaz]

Theres a dealer in Islamorada that at any time will have a 1/2 dozen quad engine boats, 6 or 8 tri engines and probably a full dozen twins. All new, all top end.
My questions are always:
A. How can you afford that inventory/overhead??
B. How many do you actually sell??
C. and how often do you turn your inventory?

There seem's to be a private jet , either taking off or landing at our little airport about every 20 minutes ... i guess I missed the memo , but there has to be more than a couple people out there with money than they can spend in a life time ..

[JPEROG]

Why does everyone forget about the 318 skater that went 114 and 32 dw that 124. I never seen any numbers from a motion thats been impressive

Dan Lawrence went 122 with his old narrow tunnel Doug Wright and a pair of 300xs motors this week, so again, 124 with an additional 200 hp is NOT anything great. Doug's boats are great and are for sure the fastest thing out there when someone takes the time to set them up properly. When the 400s start to get real boost put to them and or a smaller case that will live then they will be something to get excited about.

Joe

[baja200merk]

They do sounds awesome but the xcat motor isnt the same motor for 30 large is it? the ones I saw looked like they had different gear cases and midsections on the race boats?

That is the old xcat prototype motor they used a 3.0 sporty but they couldn't keep them alive under the 400

[AZMIDLYF]

Agree with JPEROG above that these 400s are new and have a lot of upside but, weight and price sure excludes a large segment of the market.

[Brad Zastrow]

Real boost put to them??? I believe they are at 20+ pounds now according to Merc tech I spoke with. That is an insane amount of boost to run on pump gas with out detonating. The 400R engine is making more horsepower per liter than just about any production car in world. It is a 2.6L, 2600cc or 158 cubic inch engine making 400 HP. That like a 350 Chev engine making 872 hp on pump gas and have a warranty. I do not think there is lot left to be had out of that 2.6L engine and have a warranty and run on 93 octane.

[Instigator]

There seem's to be a private jet , either taking off or landing at our little airport about every 20 minutes ... i guess I missed the memo , but there has to be more than a couple people out there with money than they can spend in a life time ..

Yep. Kinda my point.

Used to call on a boat builder by you that said his customer (78' sport fish w/twin 1100 hp V-12 or 16 diesels, props were 5 blade 36" x 36"s!!!) would land his chopper on the vacant lot next door and bring him a sack of cash.

Or the houses on what I called millionaires row along the Indian River just south of Sebastian. Favorite one was water front two sides, pool, fountain, statues in the yard, boat on a lift etc. Landscaper friend told me they were probably spending $5K a month just on grounds maint. That's $60K a yr!!
In nine yrs, I never saw anyone there.

Still loved the boat being built and that house. Im always happy that those people are successful enough in their lives to be able to afford those toys.

Same with the huge multi engine center consoles that pulled in beside me in the Keys. Works of art! I always told every owner I thought that.
If you're smart you can normally pick something up from each.

[powerabout]

You cant blame Merc. The EPA has told them what they can sell so you cant expect them to sink more money into R&D on two strokes when they are essentially outlawed or will be shortly.

2 stroke will never be outlawed but CO producing 4 strokes might have some issues soon.