Tuff 25 with chipped Yamaha

[JPEROG]

Their boats are badass for sure. If I was still a V-bottom guy, I would have one. If Mark does a 40' center console someday, I will be in line.

Joe

[Instigator]

Only real men drive vee bottoms!

Their boats are badass for sure. If I was still a V-bottom guy, I would have one. If Mark does a 40' center console someday, I will be in line.

Joe

[Instigator]

And some companies don’t finish the process.

You can see it in tons of hulls.

A 24’ vee bottom very clearly used to be a 30’.

Put a dam 6’ forward of the transom of the 30’ mold and you have a 24’.

But, freeboard is off, bow is out of scale, rear deck doesn’t look right, etc.

I was lucky enough to witness this first hand while we were in Fla.

Some of the production companies build a killer boat but the ones that ask you, what do you want?
We’ll build it for you.

Joe is witness to this.

Material list/$$ may not change much if any but labor….., goes through the roof.

That’s why you see so many similar designs.

Way easier/cheaper to mod existing than start fresh.

Huge risk if your changes don’t work but, your overhead is still the same.

So pay those bills when sales go to zero!

I did this a 100 yrs ago on a tiny scale.

Designed/built a 9 1/2’ lay down tunnel boat for kneel down racing and made some mistakes in its design.

Was gorgeous but never ran like it should was a hair trigger blow over machine once it built lift.

After it blew over the third time, and hit me in the head when it landed the last time, (in 40* weather and 35* water) I took it home, stripped it, cut it into three pieces and drug it to the curb!

Lucky for me, it cost me $300 in material, a bazillion free hrs of labor but had no overhead, no crew of 7, shop rent, etc.

Was still a great project but invaluable lesson!

Not many Tuff Marines around.

Draw a line and get the skill saw out. You need to visit the Skater factory in Michigan, Pete is the master of flat decking and custom freeboard of choice. The lower you go the more you need to trim the deck, shorten the bulkheads, cut the liner sides down, etc. Its a process compared to something built with traditional molds. We reworked the back deck section on my boat that is being built and its amazing the hours of labor that a "simple to me" modification creates.

Joe

[Mr. Jones]

Their boats are badass for sure. If I was still a V-bottom guy, I would have one. If Mark does a 40' center console someday, I will be in line.

Joe

Even in the world of Vs, I find Tuffs to be much more of a drivers boat. Other Vs, like a Hallet, you can drive at 70mph without a lot of input. There's a lot of hull in the water and boat is running flat. The Tuff at 70mph is starting to lift and walk, needs more input. Hit some choppy water though and Tuff starts to really shine.

I always think with V bottoms in the 20-22' range, you only get two of the following three: fast, good in rough water, easy to drive. Tuff went for the first two.

[RBT]

In other news, the cut down carbon Yamaha powered Tuff that started this thread is now in the hands of Blake, those that know him know that he is determined with all his toys to find all the small stuff and won’t stop. I’m willing to bet that boat will crack 120.

[RBT]

Even in the world of Vs, I find Tuffs to be much more of a drivers boat. Other Vs, like a Hallet, you can drive at 70mph without a lot of input. There's a lot of hull in the water and boat is running flat. The Tuff at 70mph is starting to lift and walk, needs more input. Hit some choppy water though and Tuff starts to really shine.

I always think with V bottoms in the 20-22' range, you only get two of the following three: fast, good in rough water, easy to drive. Tuff went for the first two.

Don’t let the internet read the part about rough water. They all seem to think they aren’t good in the rough…….
my 25 EATS rough water. What it can run through is amazing

[Mr. Jones]

Don’t let the internet read the part about rough water. They all seem to think they aren’t good in the rough…….
my 25 EATS rough water. What it can run through is amazing

I was guilty of thinking they'd run bad and rough water until I got a 21. Pound for pound and foot for foot, I think it handles choppy water with the best of them. I think a lot of it comes from most of the videos online being in smooth water.

The other part of the internet's fury would be that they are light boats and the default way for most people to handle rough water, me included when I'm in my fishing boat, is to bury the nose with plates. Lightweight combined with burying the nose can lead to a pretty crumby ride which is what most people anticipate.

But, I think there's a few things in the Tuff that run a bit opposite to conventional boating wisdom, at least for me. In choppy water, keeping moderate trim in the nose out a little bit helps the boat beat bop around, the lightweight Hull combined with the lift from the propeller softens the blow a lot. We're still driving the boat with a lot of input at that point, but is it bounces around a little bit in the waves, it's a much better ride than a boat that's running flat.

The other funny thing I've noticed that seemed opposite to me is handling porpoising. Standard reaction would be to trim down. My boat starts to porpoise around 50 miles an hour and a couple of bumps on the trim gets the bow up a little more and totally calms down.

[CUDA]

Years ago my wife asked why I speed up when the water gets ruff, I said light boats act like a skipping stone at speed, your just kissing the tops of the waves...

She replied, That may be true, but your scaring me to death.

I really don't care for passengers, boat or bike, too much responsibility.

[John S]

https://www.speedonthewater.com/tuff...k-competition/

Showing off your newest design on 3' of ice above the lake. If that ain't Canadian as it gets, I'll kiss your a**.

Beautiful design. I love all these new cats, but this one is definitely my favorite. Kudos to the Tuff gang.

[David]

Is that on a lake or the field behind the factory?

[hellbents-10]

Looks like the field behind their shop. Awesome rig for sure, looks great wrapped up.

[CUDA]

NICE, now let us see the running surface

I've heard whispers of Victory Boat influenced


It's nice to see REAL steps

[David]

You will have to buy one to see the bottom

[RBT]

[QUOTE=CUDA;3440114]NICE, now let us see the running surface

I've heard whispers of Victory Boat influenced

It’s So different that nobody will ever say ANYONE influenced it. And I mean it’s REALLY different!!!! I’ll say this, the tunnel is 6” deeper than the next deepest and I believe over a foot
deeper than some. Soooo how did they make a heavy boat fast? Well they did a lot different
it’s an unwritten rule… no bottoms on the internet.

[CUDA]

I'll bring a scanner to the Shootout:thumbs-up: