I love the places that let you buy the motors you want

[pcrussell50]

The wife just got back with our 13 year old girl, from a charity trip to Belize, where they re-tarred roofs of leaking buildings in a desperately poor village, that kind of thing.

But on the last day before coming home, the group treated themselves to a half-day snorkeling trip since Belize has a beautiful reef for diving and snorkeling.

Based on the pics my wife took, they were taken out to the reef in a BIG, shallow draft center console. Looked a bit like a giant flats boat.


Anyway, the super cool thing about it, which also made me sad for us here, is that the boat was powered by three brand spanking new, carbureted two-stroke Yamaha 200's. It was like a time machine back to the days when you could buy those here. Or back to 2019 in Australia, where you could still buy things like that, new.



It was also an interesting economics lesson. Carb motors obviously burn more gas, and gas is super expensive Belize. Yet fuel price and savings alone, was not enough for that dive/snorkel business to invest in the extra cost of four strokes. Something about the carb two strokes made more business sense. Reliability? Ease of maintenance? Low purchase price? Long service life? All of the above? Whatever it was, all added up to a better deal at the end of the day, according to that business, than the extra cost of four-strokes. Sad that we don't have that choice, here.

-Peter

[CUDA]

CARB's

SUCK

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[Brad Zastrow]

Why on earth would anyone want to buy 40-year-old technology engines?

[pcrussell50]

Why on earth would anyone want to buy 40-year-old technology engines?

Carburetors are probably closer to 140 year old technology, than 40 years old. In any event...

...You are in money and finances of some sort, aren't you? And AFAICT, you're pretty successful at it. So you obviously understand basic accounting and a balance sheet, right?

It's a business, mate. Not a rich man's "look at me" hobby. Businesses make business decisions, not luxury or hobby decisions. One can only assume that they chose those motors because it was a sounder business decision for them, than something more expensive to buy, more expensive to fix, requires more frequent fixing, more time to fix (down time means no money when it is a business), what have you. I'm sure that on some level, and in your line of work, you understand this at least conceptually.

-Peter

[David]

For me it was mostly about keeping our lake clean. It's possible my old 225 Promax would have run forever, at least at my rate of use. But now I'm putting a lot less junk in the lake with my direct injected engine. A side benefit is I can cruise the big lake to the south without packing jerry cans of gas.

Having said that, if a 16' Raveau found it's way to me, I would love a new or newish 90 Yamaha carb motor for it.

[FUJIMO]

...noth'n wrong with carb motors, in those kind of countries. thats why all the outboard makers still make them for dozens of countries large & small, & sell the hell out of them around the world. you remember the vw bug & how long it was manufactured, and where?...

[David]

LOL, the bug was made in Mexico forever, a place with lax environmental standards where I would get sick from the food in the company cafeterias and where the air on cold winter days was smokey. Not for me now that I am a free (retired) man

[FUJIMO]

LOL, the bug was made in Mexico forever, a place with lax environmental standards...

...lol, exactly. for some reason, we think of the rest of the world to be as advanced and sophisicated as we are. don't know why...

[pcrussell50]

For me it was mostly about keeping our lake clean. It's possible my old 225 Promax would have run forever, at least at my rate of use. But now I'm putting a lot less junk in the lake with my direct injected engine. A side benefit is I can cruise the big lake to the south without packing jerry cans of gas.

Having said that, if a 16' Raveau found it's way to me, I would love a new or newish 90 Yamaha carb motor for it.

If drinking water quality is any kind of measure of lake pollution, The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California draws it's main water from a lake that allows both carbureted two-strokes and carbureted outboards: Lake Havasu. AND they provide their annual water quality and impurities and toxins report. On which there never is or has been any of the impurities or toxins attributed to carbureted two-strokes. They include the disclaimer, "any impurities or toxins present are at levels too low to detect".

One of the things about science, going all the way back to the times when people thought the earth was flat, or the sun and stars revolved around the earth is, that you cannot rely on what seems right. You see the smoke. You know that oil expelled in the exhaust. But that alone is not enough to be certain that it is polluting the water. Or polluting it enough to be detectable by test equipment for the certification of water for human consumption.

-Peter

[CUDA]

So the price of fuel in Belize is double compaired to the US, and gets about 1/2 the mileage, of new 4 strokes, times two motors and run almost daily ?

You must be using that NEW math.

I did the Mayan Temple thing instead on my trip.

[David]

Our lake is more stressed then ever. I don’t know how much is boats, I suspect fertilizer run off is the biggest problem.

If I had the Raveau I would take it on a cruise once a year, show it at the local show, and take part in the annual old boat run. 3 trips a year would not change the world. Mostly I would look at it and smile.

[bouyhead]

The wife just got back with our 13 year old girl, from a charity trip to Belize, where they re-tarred roofs of leaking buildings in a desperately poor village, that kind of thing.

But on the last day before coming home, the group treated themselves to a half-day snorkeling trip since Belize has a beautiful reef for diving and snorkeling.

Based on the pics my wife took, they were taken out to the reef in a BIG, shallow draft center console. Looked a bit like a giant flats boat.


Anyway, the super cool thing about it, which also made me sad for us here, is that the boat was powered by three brand spanking new, carbureted two-stroke Yamaha 200's. It was like a time machine back to the days when you could buy those here. Or back to 2019 in Australia, where you could still buy things like that, new.



It was also an interesting economics lesson. Carb motors obviously burn more gas, and gas is super expensive Belize. Yet fuel price and savings alone, was not enough for that dive/snorkel business to invest in the extra cost of four strokes. Something about the carb two strokes made more business sense. Reliability? Ease of maintenance? Low purchase price? Long service life? All of the above? Whatever it was, all added up to a better deal at the end of the day, according to that business, than the extra cost of four-strokes. Sad that we don't have that choice, here.

-Peter

Key word, Choice.

[FUJIMO]

...if you know who to buy a new export motor from, here in the u.s., no worries mon...

[Chaz]

Carburetors are probably closer to 140 year old technology, than 40 years old. In any event...

...You are in money and finances of some sort, aren't you? And AFAICT, you're pretty successful at it. So you obviously understand basic accounting and a balance sheet, right?

It's a business, mate. Not a rich man's "look at me" hobby. Businesses make business decisions, not luxury or hobby decisions. One can only assume that they chose those motors because it was a sounder business decision for them, than something more expensive to buy, more expensive to fix, requires more frequent fixing, more time to fix (down time means no money when it is a business), what have you. I'm sure that on some level, and in your line of work, you understand this at least conceptually.

-Peter

Peter, it looks like you don't understand the math.

You can buy three 300r's for $81,000.00

Or you can buy a couple / few ole Yamaha's for $8000.00 and have $73,000.00 left over for gas money to run the diving trips.

300r parts and wty dealers in the islands ...

Old Yamaha carcasses .. parts everywhere.

See where it makes no sense in buying a couple of affordable two strokes .. LMAO

The real math ...

Now if you 4'.6" standing on your tippy-ties or your **** is 4" long .. see where the real need for the new motors comes from ...

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Oil in the water:

Tree huggers, ever watch fully loaded B-52's take off, in air refueling, or dump their fuel load before landing. ???
You couldn't pull enough plug wires and run a two stroke outboard wide open for the rest of your life .. and equal what our military dumps in the water on one flight ..

My kid (when he was young) grabbed a piece of .040 aluminum 2'x4' from under my shear. A square, a few sharpies, a chalk box .. and started doing what he saw being done. He was dirty from rolling around on the floor, chalk everywhere, ink everywhere. A customer of mine walked in, looked at him and asked .. has that boy ever been sick ?? No sir, thank god, why ?? Because he has built his immune system up from being exposed to many elements. Cuts, dirty fingerprint sammiches, runnin his little 4-wheeler in the mud and rain .. chances are pretty good he will be healthy for a long time, like our generation has been.

Go ahead, fall for the fake BS they beat into your heads about the sky is falling, while we let X-ping send thousands of infected people all over the world .. and nobody says nuttin but .. ohh those awful two-strokes ..

[rgsauger]

Chaz, I was at the doctor back in December for my annual check up. She asked how long it had been since I had a tetanus shot. I said probably about 40 years. She almost had a cardiac. She started to say something about getting me updated and I asked her in her career, how many cases of tetanus had she ever treated? Her blank expression said it all. I told her no thanks.

I’m still alive.