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[Speed Jr.]

Sorry I haven't posted last couple days fellas, I was busy boating with my porkchop. What's Chaz crying about now?

[Dave S]

Forged or billet.......He aint' crying..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ayuF4v_EU

[Chaz]

Chaz quips:

We "brown nosers, nut-swingers, yes men, company men, rose colored glasses wearin .. etc.", is group of guys that appreciate being able to buy a user friendly motor with a warranty that pushes boats faster then ever in history. The group is getting really big and continues to grow as motors get shipped and new boats get rigged daily. When parts or motors are too expensive for us to stay in the hobby, then we get out. I stand by my point that we should be thankful that there is a company offering what we need to go out and play. In a perfect world, things would be perfect. Reality is that life is too short to complain about things that we can't change and be happy for what we have available to us.

We will be boating again, you will be drag racing again. Can you believe how expensive it is to go the track now? Fuel, nitrous, tires, food, entry fees, (all has gone up)--complain about the hobby you are actively involved with and support. I guess I better order you some more shirts.

Joe

Chaz quips ... LOL , You know they say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. I didn't invent the word .. but thanks for following me. next you'll be dot~dot~dot ... oopps you do that too ...

I'm not racing. I'd have to start all over again .. worse part is bulging C-3 , mild herniated C-4 . I had 5, 6 and 7 fixed a couple years ago. Not complaining, just sukks gettin old ..
However I've known "Pinky" and his dad for over two decades. They have stayed here, I've stayed there .. good friends
Couple days of a screw blown alky 526 hemi in a Chevelle .. should do me some good ..

Mercury needs some heads up competition to keep them honest. You know that, I know that .. only difference is you won't say it.
Deb and I pulled a rig all over the country the last time fuel was $5.00 a gallon. Looking back, I was a bit addicted myself ... In my old age, I'd like to think I'm a bit wiser to get in line to be ****** again. Just won't expose myself to that type of treatment. Like I've said before, If it's worth it to you .. then god bless !

In a moment of clarity Hydro sez :

Bud, I totally get your point, and neither do I understand or condone doubling and tripling of parts costs in weeks' or months' time. Obviously if there is the need, the aftermarket will step up, unfortunately that crap comes from China. $11 Briggs carbs come to mind. They weren't worth much more than that new...

The part I do get is how does the gas station explain the instant jump in fuel prices, when what they paid for it remains the same? Well, some of it is looking for profit, and some of it is going to get eaten when the expensive stuff in the tank has to come down so they can sell it when their competitors lower their prices.

Cranks doubling in price isn't normal, I'd say that calls for a pushback by the dealer to ask for the price justification. Tripling of a carb that was already overpriced would probably warrant an ask as well, but we may not like what we're gonna hear.

It's not the stations raising gas prices .. The first day in office F.J.B. declared war on energy produced in the United States. He shut down the communist parts of our country ... cost ten million people their jobs. Now that he's coughed in his hand and reached out to shake others .. the gig was up. Now he claims he created two million jobs. Someone should ask him about the eight million that remain unemployed. Get me his number .. I'll ask ..

Did Mercury suffer hardships thru the plandemic. I would have to think so. Did it necessitate the outlandish new price structure ... I think not. I'm happy to see you agree.

I watched my local track go from 150 cars in Super Pro , down to 100. They raised the entry and lowered the purse .. Then they only pulled 75 cars. They went to buy-backs. Then two rounds of buy-backs .. then raised the entry until they only had 20 cars show up. After the 23rd of this month .. it will no longer be.
Bradenton, Immokalee and Orlando ... have guaranteed purses and are thriving.
If Mercurys parts prices force boat owners into buying new motors because its not affordable to fix the old ones .. My money is on customers looking elsewhere.

In a moment of bi-polar swings :

Looks like you've got plenty of opportunity to sell the o-rings you so dearly cling to...they're NLA, so that's no longer a problem.

Want better rods? Make some! You seem to have the connections, and the "all-you-gotta-do-is" attitude. Why not work with AutoVerde? I'm sure you can make some really great rods that will still have demand.

Want better gears? Make some! You won't be the first person that tried, but I'd love for you to be the first person to be successful! That's exactly what this community needs to keep the older technology stuff running. Kind of like parts for flatheads, Buick nailheads, Caddy's, FE Fords, etc. There's aftermarket available, but none of it is cheap. Small and big block Chev stuff is available like crazy, because there's MILLIONS of them in existence. Heck, I'm working on a bored and stroked Corvair engine for my wife's car, and there's 1.8 MILLION of them made, and parts are hard to find. The Merc motors we love? Tens of thousands originally, and what's left? So the scale of need is way less, and we are the people that need it.

It's a numbers thing, and the numbers don't line up for Merc when the new engines are selling 4X what the old stuff did, and even THAT isn't MILLIONS. It's an economy of scale, and if there's going to be a solution, it's going to have to come from our group...no one else cares.

And that's the long and short of it. SeizeCo/UnWiseco is not your solution for pistons, either. We found stock cast, Venolia, or Arias pistons for our snowmobiles were what it took. Had to put every thermal coating known to man to even get close to jetting with an UnWiseco, and then the domes would sag and be down 10 HP; but the stock piston made more power! But you had to replace them more often. So, there's always a solution if you look, you just might not like the cost, the source, or the work it takes to get there. I know, I've done it. And that's why I've got a 4-stroke on my boat.

Your turn to make all the stuff to fix all the problems you've identified...or put a pair of 300R's on your boat, have it run better than it ever has, and do it TOMORROW...While you are still breathing. I'd like to see you use your boat again. I'll second Joe's offer for a place to stay at Lake of the Ozarks. You can even ride in my old jalopy if you are so inclined.

Good luck on fixing everything! And I mean what I say in my signature...

Well I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about If you were sure that the snowmobile engine which held the YPVS (power valve ) was really the roof or maybe the floor .. Crickets .. just long enough to think I forgot .. Now you seem to be a bit hostile towards me ... Take your meds .. oohh now I can crash at your place .. make up my mind ....

I have O-rings .. for motors I build. But if you need some to get ya out of a pinch .. no problem. After all, I'm in the service business.

3.2L cranks .. I have two of my own . And , I like the 3" stuff .. have enough of those to last a life time.

Rods, I send a rod and good size deposit to CP/Carillo. 10 weeks later they sent my deposit back. Wonder why the father of the 3.0L sent it out the door with chicken bones. Instead of just changing the 1 thru 10 number after the dash .. maybe actually make a change for the better in the rod itself.
As of today , I do the standard hot-rod stuff to the rods. We never know what tomorrow might bring .

You have no idea , what I do and what I have done .. or what I'm working on. Just because you cant do something, doesn't mean someone else can't ..

Corvair, a friend of mine builds experimental aircraft. They went with Subaru pancakes because of no parts. Ralph Nader killed that deal and they (most) all got crushed. Call Ed Morgan @ Stuart Propellor 772-286-7343 . His dad raced hydro's with aluminum 215" vair motors in Michigan. Last time I looked , he had new ones in boxes .. stacked up ... since the sixties.

Signature : Corvair's and Shrimpheads .. We go out of our way to be different.

Why not fall in line .. buy the Mrs a Flex-fuel econo box and get yourself a 300r .. or maybe you like to have something a little different than everybody else can buy .. TOMORROW ..

[Chaz]

Sorry I haven't posted last couple days fellas, I was busy boating with my porkchop. What's Chaz crying about now?

Thats the stripped model porkchop you bought .. I asked about :

Side steer mount ?

Sportmaster ?

Rear tie bar mount ?

I'm glad you posted, I was worried about ya ... havin wantin to be in the big-boy club .. and only being able to afford the econo chop.

Read the lyrics ..,. yankee boy

[Chaz]

Forged or billet.......He aint' crying..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ayuF4v_EU

Dave , pay no attention to the post above .. It's meant for the weak-kneed, can I write a check crowd ..

That video is typical of when American Industry was thriving. Today the men are all in Asia from the looks of it ...

[Dave S]

I am supprised how much hand work is still done........

[powerabout]

Dave , pay no attention to the post above .. It's meant for the weak-kneed, can I write a check crowd ..

That video is typical of when American Industry was thriving. Today the men are all in Asia from the looks of it ...

pretty low tech factory..

[HStream1]

I was going to let your comments go. But the more I thought The more something came to mind. I remembered a thread you posted on back in 2018 that had a totally different message. https://www.screamandfly.com/showthr...increase-is-bs

And especially post #3 "aggiestckl
7000 RPM

Mercury is tough how they do business.. I have bought 7 brand new motors in 5 years, which isnt alot but they dont care about the customer.. like at all unless you have 1350s or are a Sheik.

And Post #5

aggiestckl
7000 RPM

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Better yet, try using the mercury hi po shop, atleast by me.. You call and want to hire them to do work they tell you to come in January and act like they are doing you the favor at $150/hr and parts marked up 20-30% above MSRP .. Sad part is like 10 people I talked to say same things but scared to speak out as no other options around here.

The most amusing thing is The "mercury hi po shop" you were referencing Ended up telling you they no longer wanted your business!!! But that didnt stop you!! You Got some Woman to carry your stuff to them instead. But they found out when she went to pick everything up and was told to relay a message back to you. But it doesnt stop there does it? You knew I wouldnt do anything for you as well. So Once again you get this Woman to contact me Pretending to be a Wife wanting to get some things Powdercoated for Her Husbands Birthday as a Surprise.

Well i bought into it. Pictures went back and forth and I was Extremely clear how everything should come to me. Grease free, all springs or parts removed that couldnt withstand high temperatures etc. Well none of that happened so when the cost increased This fake wife wanted to make a fuss. Finally got everything Boxed and shipped. then she changed destinations for delivery while in Transit.. Then some parts supposedly got damaged??????? Then it was my fault. But nothing was mentioned how She provided the shipping labels and tried to ship everything in a crate that was overweight for a regular Ground truck. Is that the kind of STFU youre talking about Glenn?? Should I mention how you opened a FB account using your neighbors Name? Im still wondering if he really knew anything about that.

As far as your People Trashing Matt Caldwell comment. Ive never heard anyone Trash Mathew. It's not about him. That CRT Engine program is the issue. And without going into all the facts about it. Again I say to you. You might want to speak with the Investors that Lost 100's of Thousands of Dollars on it!!!!!!!

I think its hilarious how everyone bitches about the price of boating, boat parts, mercury, etc.

This is an absolute luxury and at the end of the day Mercury is in business to be profitable.. Everyone on here and facebook that cries and complains and bitches 1. probably never have bought a motor new, or very few, 2. would never shell out 25k for a new 2.5L and would talk about how they were $15k 25 years ago.

Same people absolutely trash Matt Caldwell when he and whoever he worked with at AT RISK companies decided to bring an alternative.

Easiest solution I have found to inflation is to STFU and make more money.. It works great

[XstreamVking]

Can't anyone say no anymore? Are we so pussified that we just roll over and take it? Now, I COULD buy a new porkchop but I won't. I would rather spend my bucks with an independant guy to rebuild an old engine than be ripped (INSULTED) off by a co. that I always admired greatly. I was a merc fanatic since I was a little kid. Now 66 yrs old and see how customer service, parts price gouging, and not caring about our brand loyalty for DECADES is of no concern to the "new"mercury marine. You guys that are rolling in dough can buy all you want. This is still America, do as you please. But you are becoming part of the problem w/o even knowing it. I'm an old hard headed cracker and I know when I am being cheated. And I won't roll over and pay. So, for now I will just say "no thank's" to any new mercury products.

[Speed Jr.]

Most adults know why you call people names Chaz.....Sure seems like your a Mercury promoter, just a selective one. That's okay, stick to the decade that suits your needs buddy. All the best!

[Chaz]

I am supprised how much hand work is still done........

Lots more to do after they are delivered from Mercury ..

Power sez:

pretty low tech factory..

Power-ole-boy,
I'd make mention how poorly the blocks are cast and final machined .. but they'd tell me I would need to cut my own out of billet ...

V-King hits it out of the park :

Can't anyone say no anymore? Are we so pussified that we just roll over and take it? Now, I COULD buy a new porkchop but I won't. I would rather spend my bucks with an independant guy to rebuild an old engine than be ripped (INSULTED) off by a co. that I always admired greatly. I was a merc fanatic since I was a little kid. Now 66 yrs old and see how customer service, parts price gouging, and not caring about our brand loyalty for DECADES is of no concern to the "new"mercury marine. You guys that are rolling in dough can buy all you want. This is still America, do as you please. But you are becoming part of the problem w/o even knowing it. I'm an old hard headed cracker and I know when I am being cheated. And I won't roll over and pay. So, for now I will just say "no thank's" to any new mercury products.

And that's the message the MotherShip should be concerned with. They are too arrogant to even care. They will find out like many others have .. that there are more "silent deplorables" than people with money they cant spend fast enough.
The thing I like about the new "porky's marine" line of thinking ... is the price. Guys take the Mrs. to the dealership, get one look at the price tag, and say to each other ... lets just fix the one we have ...

lessSPEEDMASTERsez :

Most adults know why you call people names Chaz.....Sure seems like your a Mercury promoter, just a selective one. That's okay, stick to the decade that suits your needs buddy. All the best!

Lawrence,
Didn't you just say something to the effect that I'm "crying" or being a "crybaby".. ???
I tried to keep it about the Mothership .. (which I still haven't got an accurate response yet) But no .. you seemed to want to make it personal. When you got back more than you tried to give .. don't be upset with the results.
All the best to you and your's .. and I do mean that !

Bud pulls the rabbit out of the hat :

https://www.screamandfly.com/showthr...increase-is-bs

Ohh Uncle Bud .. now we ain't never gonna get to sail the Caribbean in aggi's mega-yacht .

Wait .. listen ... de plane boss .. de plane ...

[Greg G]

Chaz I have to say, you give that T-Rex a run for his money in some of your posts. "De plane" is a classic.

Now where the heck is my 3.4 dwarf chop at at a stupid big price.

[Chaz]

Chaz I have to say, you give that T-Rex a run for his money in some of your posts. "De plane" is a classic.

Now where the heck is my 3.4 dwarf chop at at a stupid big price.

Mr. G ,
The powers that be , have heard your plea.
Their response is .. since you have chosen to be a loyalist to the small boat, small motor faction .. they want you to suffer a bit longer for not starting over with a new larger boat (that they mfg) and a standard size chop (V-8).

I see two options .. follow J.P's lead and get a V-6 and put a V-8 lower on it ..
Do a little extra work and put a smaller more efficient 3.0/3.2 lower on it ..
Fifteen inch mid ... pppfffttttt wha-do-ya-want .......... everything

OR ...

Go with the new 1200 HP , 3.6L V-6 Yamahammer ...

[FUJIMO]

...holy crap, is that boat small or what?...

[HydroSkreamin]

In a moment of bi-polar swings :



Well I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about If you were sure that the snowmobile engine which held the YPVS (power valve ) was really the roof or maybe the floor .. Crickets .. just long enough to think I forgot .. Now you seem to be a bit hostile towards me ... Take your meds .. oohh now I can crash at your place .. make up my mind ....

Chaz, if I'm the one that said anything about bi-polar or meds, I apologize. I tend to not joke about those things.

As far as a power valve question, I never knew you asked it, and all bike and sled mfg's called any type of exhaust port timing change their own acronym, and anything I've worked on is in the roof of the port, or in the auxiliaries. You might even try filling in the floor, amazing what you can find there. Pretty sure I'm solid on 2-stroke porting, did it for a living for 10 years, not really looking for advice. If you'd like some, I'd be happy to share what I've done, worked or didn't work. I have dyno and track results that speak for themselves.

Yes, if you'd like to see LOTO, you've got multiple offers of places to stay, and if you'd rather just have a camper hookup, I'll have that for you, too. I don't bite, and most will tell you I'm a pretty decent guy. I do like to stick to subject matter at hand, though.

I have O-rings .. for motors I build. But if you need some to get ya out of a pinch .. no problem. After all, I'm in the service business.

I'm capable of sourcing my own o-rings, but thanks for the offer.

3.2L cranks .. I have two of my own . And , I like the 3" stuff .. have enough of those to last a life time.

Rods, I send a rod and good size deposit to CP/Carillo. 10 weeks later they sent my deposit back. Wonder why the father of the 3.0L sent it out the door with chicken bones. Instead of just changing the 1 thru 10 number after the dash .. maybe actually make a change for the better in the rod itself.
As of today , I do the standard hot-rod stuff to the rods. We never know what tomorrow might bring .

You have no idea , what I do and what I have done .. or what I'm working on. Just because you cant do something, doesn't mean someone else can't ...

I would say the same to you; I'll never ever tell you that "you can't do that" or "it can't be done", that's not the way I work. I might warn you about the pioneer saying tho...

Corvair, a friend of mine builds experimental aircraft. They went with Subaru pancakes because of no parts. Ralph Nader killed that deal and they (most) all got crushed. Call Ed Morgan @ Stuart Propellor 772-286-7343 . His dad raced hydro's with aluminum 215" vair motors in Michigan. Last time I looked , he had new ones in boxes .. stacked up ... since the sixties[/QUOTE]
Now THAT sounds cool.

Signature : Corvair's and Shrimpheads .. We go out of our way to be different.

Why not fall in line .. buy the Mrs a Flex-fuel econo box and get yourself a 300r .. or maybe you like to have something a little different than everybody else can buy .. TOMORROW ..

I have daily drivers, and then there are toys. I stopped modifying my daily 20 years ago.