1st Annual ODBA World Championship "New Jasper"

[Instigator]

And they add freagin weight every time they win a pass!

Your ****tt wouldn’t even get on plane w/what most of them have to weigh.

Although I think those guys are in Pro Drag which I think is a no weight limit class.

They started adding weight to Gordon when he started winning 30 yrs ago!

Funny too, you ney sayers always compare them to the 2.5 Mercs.
Haven't they built a couple bazillion 3.0’s??
And a couple hundred thousand 3.2 “strokers”??

So you bring a knife to a gun fight?
Whos fkg fault is that ������

Dave Bush ruled for yrs w/a 3.0 based OMC looper when y’all had your big motors.
Whete we’re they?

Hilarious.

Those damn OMC's - too much Power

Not If they raced by cubic inch's

The Merc is the most efficient but size matters, no one been able to make a large one stay together at 10,000 RPMs some of those 2.5s turn 11,000.

Back in the old days we called them grenades but Monty has made them pretty dang reliable.[/QUOTE]

[Instigator]

Interesting.

So when they let off, they loose the thrust of prop holding the bow down and the aerodynamic lift takes over and sends them for a swim.

Those guys will both be looking at changes in their end strategy.

I remember Ken Warby telling me that he thought Craig Arfons died while trying to break his straightaway record because he ran out of gas.

Same principle different dynamics.

Could they set their trim timers to dial in down trim when they lift?

Yes, they both went over when they started to lift

[Capt.Insane-o]

Dunno....in Brads case the boat on the outside climbed early and had to lift whilest what ever happened happened. Ban trim computers and make them drive.

[CUDA]

And they add freagin weight every time they win a pass!

Your ****tt wouldn’t even get on plane w/what most of them have to weigh.

Although I think those guys are in Pro Drag which I think is a no weight limit class.

They started adding weight to Gordon when he started winning 30 yrs ago!

Funny too, you ney sayers always compare them to the 2.5 Mercs.
Haven't they built a couple bazillion 3.0’s??
And a couple hundred thousand 3.2 “strokers”??

So you bring a knife to a gun fight?
Whos fkg fault is that ������

Dave Bush ruled for yrs w/a 3.0 based OMC looper when y’all had your big motors.
Whete we’re they?

Hilarious.


Not If they raced by cubic inch's

The Merc is the most efficient but size matters, no one been able to make a large one stay together at 10,000 RPMs some of those 2.5s turn 11,000.

Back in the old days we called them grenades but Monty has made them pretty dang reliable.

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Pro Mod
1. Any boat allowed.2. Any modifications allowed.3. Any mid-section allowed. Spec Fuel and oil only. No additives allowed Minimum weights as follows: 153ci – 156ci 1250lbs 157ci – 186ci 1325lbs 187ci and up 1375lbs V8 1575lbs No billet blocks allowed

Pro Drag (Unlimited)1. Any boat allowed.2. Any motor allowed. Billet motor allowed. Any modification allowed.3. Any mid-section allowed.4. Any fuel. Additives allowed.5. Nitrous boats minimum weight 1100 lbs



If you had any Idea what your talking about we could have a conversation, I use to run at 1,540 lb with a stock 260 in lake racer and 1620 with a MP motor in lake racer
1400 If I ran a 260 in Super Stock class
1430 if I ran in Mod Production class with a 300 drag

The Optimax motors can not rev up, they have compressors to atomize the fuel with direct injection and a factory set computer that is illegal to change, they are engineered to be fuel efficient and do a wonderful job doing just that, I have two 250XSs and a 300XS, If Dave Bush can't make a drag motor out of one no one can, no one is allowed to sell modified computers anymore, I bet at mid range they can get twice the mileage as your antique carb motors, when was the last one built ... over 25 years ago or more right, Hey I raced OMC in the 80's guess why they had more cubes see your problem is your one of those brand loyal guys like Chevy VS Ford and that makes you BLIND I could care less who makes what because everyone has certain product that are better than their competition, I've owned Dodge trucks for 27 years because of the Cummins motor, not because It's a Dodge/Ram

Hey I'm a fan of Monty he's been doing his thing a long time and I have the uttermost respect of him and he knows It,

we have been friends 25 or so years, I love his snarky smile, we rib each other but Its all in fun, I consider him a true friend.

Eric K (Patches) was working with Dave Bush DBR, he set up a electrical ignition system on his 2.5 Merc that really woke that little motor up, had It running like a V8 ,he was just got things straighten out when Dave said lets try one of my OMC V6s your boat, I forgot what happen I believe the steering had let go and he crashed bad, his wife said no more, but he was making more power per cubic inch than any motor period, Dave Bush is a genius with deep pockets, I'm not sure why others have not contacted him to duplicate what he did with Eric.

As those V8s were going to the ramp Monty walked by and said time to go to work...how prophetic because he had to get the water out of those two motors he built.

You should try drag racing, sound like you have plenty of time





j

[Instigator]

Do you even read the crap that you live to copy/paste???

So a V-6 looper that’s only been offered as a fishing motor, competes in a class against a 2.5 Merc that’s been offered as a race motor (SS 3000/300 Drag) w/factory support for decades has to weigh 125lbs more in Pro Mod?

Or a V-8 that’s only been offered as a fishing motor (different motor from the F-1), and made fun of by you guys from day one, has to weigh 325 lbs more???

You always bring up drinking so I’m guessing you don’t.

There in lies the problem?

Remember the name Chuck Martini mr historian?
Owned Lake Racer 2 yrs straight, unbeaten w/a V-6 looper on a vee bottom!

I’ve never bashed Merc or their owners.
Ive bashed owners who pick on anyone that runs ANYTHING different!

Some of us chose to be different, figure it out ourselves, swim upstream and for that we’re criticized?

Someone is brand blind but it ain’t me.

Im always the first one to see a 2.5 drag (amazing pc of technology) w/the cowling off, or to help regardless of breed.

I’ve talked more prospective OMC racers into running a Merc than you have!

Also spent 9 yrs racing kneel down racing/designing/building my own boats/motors/props and every time someone made an OMC fast, they changed the class/rules.

They came out w/a 45 SS motor that was one cubic inch bigger than the 44 cu in D Merc and they form it’s own class??
Etc, etc,etc.

No hypocrisy here.

You need to stay in your closet where youre safe and in charge.

Pro Mod
1. Any boat allowed.2. Any modifications allowed.3. Any mid-section allowed. Spec Fuel and oil only. No additives allowed Minimum weights as follows: 153ci – 156ci 1250lbs 157ci – 186ci 1325lbs 187ci and up 1375lbs V8 1575lbs No billet blocks allowed

[Chaz]

#1 , Kevin .. excellent pictures as always .. !

#2 , The rest :

I was wrong , Taylor stated that approach speed is legal at 7.5 MPH , not 7 as Jimmie stated. ( Chaz = wunderin why I trusted anything he says or writes) .
I showed that the story about 7 mph - 7 seconds was a bit outside of the 30' start box. Where's the conversation , where's the .. I made a mistake ... Nope , just avoid that thread and come puke on this one .. Yes jim , it much worse .. 7.5 mph = 77 feet.

Calling another member a drunk .. ??? Is uncalled for ... Dad, the village idiot is calling people names ..

Friends :

If your someone's friend , you just jump in and help. Or ask, what can I do to help.
A POS backstabber , just talk's smack from fence ...

Gator : I always enjoy our conversations. You talk , I listen without interrupting , I think twice then open my mouth once. You listen to what I say , and respond in the same manor. You know , just like they taught us in third or fourth grade. Basic communication skills. Some never learn them , just invent the warped sense of the world they see.

I'm going to list my racing accomplishments , starting with the award I'm most proud of .. I sponsored the Jr. Dragster class for a few years. The kids in the 1995 series presented this to me at the awards banquet.

Jimmie , I'll stop , when you run out of accomplishment's to show ..

[Mirage]

With respect to everyone,
I have spent the last few days reading 100’s of comments across different forums and Social Media from all kinds of people…. Some claim they “know” some “assume”, a lot have been around for 20 plus years and can pinpoint every hull issue, mechanical failure, driver error etc ….

My question is this ….Where was all this knowledge and boats at in Tennessee ?
Why was there only 6 boats in Pro Drag / Unlimited in Tennessee ?
If everyone showed up that knows everything we should be able to have a race of its own but instead this is the biggest class I’ve seen in years….
Most races there is only 2 - 3 boats in this class throughout the year

As the Owner of the “Red Boat” I promise we will be looking at every single pic, video, angle, and data to try and pinpoint what happened and prevent it from ever happening again as we rebuild and get ready for next year

Brad Williams

[CUDA]

Lets back up all I said was cubic in to cubic inch, It's undisputable the Merc is the winner, end of story.

Your complaint is I copy and pasted the rule book? OK ?

The Merc FF block has 260 ports the difference is a steel VS a aluminum coated sleeve for better heat transfer for those "race" blocks, yes the 280s and 300s have a bigger exhaust chest, Merc copied what the Tenn racers were doing, they were already doing it was not mother Merc Idea, was a Hillbilly's idea that they took credit for

Drinking yes I tend to have a 5 to 6oz glass of red wine dinner time and another before bed time, I do not drink to get a Buzz that was 40 years ago, I grew up in a shot and beer town, my uncle owned liquor stores, drunkest I ever was at 15 taught me a lesson, concussion from falling on the Ice many times, I did win a snowmobile the next day from one ticket I bought at a winter festival the week before...

Chuck Martini had a Galen Burden motor Galen died July 10, 2011, he lighten up my mid section, his wife Sherry worked the ODBA official tent sweet girl, yes I was there you left the best part of his winning at Jasper, Chuck motored past Glen Reynolds so Glen put up something like $500.00 to Inspect Chucks boat he thought he had Nitrous hidden in the boat he went crawling all through it and found nothing, I was rooting for Chuck and spent some time with Glen Reynolds last weekend he is 78 now and had some linkage break just as he got in the water this past Saturday , I've been to his Martini's Hardware store in Houston a couple of times I first met him when he raced with the Tenn Drag Boat Association 98 ish he was always with his friend Ace Stringfield with a white STV with red trim , he raced with DSRA for many years and raced Jasper many times you see when I first started drag racing I ran a stock OMC that Monty modified the carbs so It did not starve during hole shot, I bought a 1996 Mariner drag in 98 and kept the OMC on my salt water boat, I've never used my 2.5 stuff in salt.
Patrick Eves was the NY OMC factory service rep who would stop by my parents house in NY for dinner, poor guy spent many years living in motel rooms, I remember he like corned beef and cabbage he was Irish He was the one calling me when he moved to Florida as the factory service rep. { we both moved south at the same time} hey we're going to Crystal river to race, were going to Eustis to race, Pat raced a Mirage and Dave also had a Mirage Monty raced a Mirage back then, Coastal Marine a father & son shop, I believe Coastal was the name was right down the street from Monty's shop they had a nice machine for boring and honing outboard blocks that Monty had access to

I first bought new OMC's 75 1977, 140 1977, then Merc's on four Hydrostreams, in 1982 a new 235 Johnson never ran it took It to Michigan to HRN did prop's and motors for the OMC race teams the MVP era, 1998 a 300 drag 280 260 200... Optimax for salt water boats, I love them all just hate carbs.

Where did I call anyone a drunk?

grasping for straws...

LOVE JJJ

[CUDA]

"So when they let off, they loose the thrust of prop holding the bow down and the aerodynamic lift takes over and sends them for a swim." Gator


The prop's we run produce tail lift so if you cut the throttle fast you're loosing tail lift you already have bow lift at 100 whatever now you quickly loose that tail lift... up up and away, tag the down button slowly back out of it, ask a Allison driver what happens If they cut the gas quick, watch out right lane... and hold on.

You see the keel on a Allison is straight, level so when the bow drops quickly It drives the bow to the right because the prop is pulling it that way from quick deceleration, just as the boat twists up on the right under hard acceleration, it does the opposite during quick deceleration.

[Chaz]

Yea you mentioned the rule book .. exactly one day after I showed where your 7 seven second , 7 mph logic was fake news ..

You raced a little .. long ago ..

For those that are long on complaint's ...

The rule book says in bold print races are to be held Saturday and Sunday

I'm sure that if someone wanted to step up and pay for permitting , insurance , safety crew , electric fee , etc. I'm sure that they might/could get a Monday rain-date. Complaining ... not so much as one single **** given ..

Lets see , the starting area is 30' long .

7 mph for 7 seconds is ........... 52.8 feet .. Easy to complain , hard to do simple math = fake news.

Same kind of boats blew over .. wus dat .. each boat has multi-time championships , with different drivers ... under their belts ... ???

"From what I heard" Each driver thanked the builder for constructing a hull that saved their life's ..

"From what I read"

http://www.odbaracing.com/wp-content..._Rule_Book.pdf

You left in such a hurry .. you left ..

[/quote]

just hanging in mid air ... LOL .. Run jimmie run ...

I know you like to mention racing mopeds when you can't squirm in any other direction .. why , cuz you know I nearly died in a motorcycle accident in 1985 . awfully brave of you .. where your clueless is , I never lost my heart ..

I showed you where 27 young racers thanked me for supporting their efforts. I have a feeling you couldn't name one that would say anything nice about you ..





Brad , I'm happy you made it out in one piece ...

My kid was pretty devastated when I sent him the pictures. Right after Casey bought the boat from Ray , we made some pieces for it over here ... Mr. Gordon can I please sit in the boat .. please , I wont mar anything .. please .. LOL
Big deal , for a young kid ..

[Chaz]

Ppffftttt .. that was easy , as I thought .. never had to go past 1991

[specboatops]

Just a quick question;

Cuda, when did you become such a dick I remember when I was on here a lot and seeing you post, you never seemed to attract the negative attention you do now. Its like you WANT to start crap or something??

I used to think you were one of the good guys, clearly things have changed. Instigator has been on here for a looooooooong time, always helpful, posting builds, giving advice, helping out with part numbers, or whatever he could, yet you seem to kinda attack him in some of your comments I read?! I don't get it??

Be nice/ play nice would ya?

You have knowledge to offer, just don't understand why you can't just do that without all of the BS.

[Chaz]

TDS has wiped their chip clean ...

[CUDA]

Just a quick question;

Cuda, when did you become such a dick I remember when I was on here a lot and seeing you post, you never seemed to attract the negative attention you do now. Its like you WANT to start crap or something??

I used to think you were one of the good guys, clearly things have changed. Instigator has been on here for a looooooooong time, always helpful, posting builds, giving advice, helping out with part numbers, or whatever he could, yet you seem to kinda attack him in some of your comments I read?! I don't get it??

Be nice/ play nice would ya?

You have knowledge to offer, just don't understand why you can't just do that without all of the BS.

If you read and internalize what was said you might understand what he said was wrong on all counts some one prove me wrong, Gator has been away from performance boats for some time.

I just like truths not opinions, prove me wrong !

[Chaz]

He , he , he , they , they , they , them , them , them ... Pppfffttttt , be responsible for your own untruth's. Slanderous comments with NOTHING to back up anything you say ..

BTW ... I humbly submit ... 1994 Champion