electric F150

[flabum1017]

The campsite issue has been thought of and they are addressing that with charging stations placed in locations that make them convenient at major intersections around the perimeter of national parks and major campgrounds. Many KOA locations are installing 240V adaptors on the 30A and 50A RV connectors so you can use the portable chargers to charge the first night you arrive and keep it topped off while you’re there. Hell, the little RV campground next to Blackwater in Astor shows up on the Tesla site as a destination charger. The Tesla portable charger with a NEMA 14-50 plug will charge almost as fast as our 60A home wall charger.

the bigger issue for road trippers will be charging along the way. All of the current DC chargers use water cooled cables so the cable length is very limited. The way current fast charging stations are set up you would have to unhitch the trailer to get the truck plugged in. That’s fairly easy to fix but you’d need to set aside a lot of asphalt to allow rigs to pull through and plug in with as much as 40’ of travel trailer / boat trailer behind them. You would need something like the truck/trailer parking areas in Interstate rest stops and most places where the current chargers are don’t have that kind of room.

Well, right now and in the foreseeable near future..... these e-cars are only good for short trips and in-town driving.

[Whaaaaat]

Couldn't this golf cart it fit a nice 10kw diesel generator in the bed?

[flabum1017]

Couldn't this golf cart it fit a nice 10kw diesel generator in the bed?

Put a windmill on the roof, the faster you drive, the faster it charges

[mjw930]

From what I'm reading, about 28 miles per hour of charge at a 240V charge station. So, almost 11 hours. 11 hours of charge, 4 1/4 hours driving (at 70 mph highway)...... that sucks.

I did a trip from Miami to Chicago last year, took about two days up and two days back (10 - 11 hours a day)..... roughly 1400 miles each way. in an electric car/truck it probably would have been almost 5 days each way. Until they get faster charging down and longer range, they can keep them IMO.

Well, right now and in the foreseeable near future..... these e-cars are only good for short trips and in-town driving.

Absolutely not true. On the road you use DC fast chargers. I can get 150 miles of range in 15 minutes on a Gen 3 Supercharger and cars like the Taycan with their 800V system can charge even faster with the right network. On the road we routinely get over 240 miles between super chargers on the Model 3 and considering we normally stop every 3 hours or so anyway it’s easy to cover 600 - 700 miles a day which is significantly more than the average road tripper covers. But yes, if you are making a cannonball run it MIGHT slow you down but there’s a couple of folks out there that are challenging some long standing distance runs with these new generation EVs. Between Tesla’s network and the VW funded Charge America network it’s becoming a none issue. And for those who really like to cover distances 500+ mile batteries with appropriate fast change DC networks are just around the corner.

And FYI, we routinely see 48 mile per charge hour on our 60A 240V home charger so even on those days where we run the battery down to 10% it’s back to 80% (where we normally charge to when we aren’t planning a trip) before we go to bed. On those days we know we’re are going on some longer runs we tell the car when we are leaving and when we get in the battery is topped off at 100%. It’s like driving an iPad

[DangerNewb]

Takes a few minutes to pump 35 gallons into my current F150 and I'm good for nearly 700 miles of highway driving. I'm sure EVs will get there, but no way am I going to be limited to the current range and charge capabilities.

[flabum1017]

I can tell you, that trip to Chicago, all the places I stopped for food and hotels, I saw no charge stations. The way it is right now, you are limited in choices where to stop and charge up. And if you are pulling a u-haul triler with stuff in it like I was, your range is reduced greatly which means more stops and way more time charging.

[Whaaaaat]

I travel fairly often. Not a ton but I can sat for certain that I have seen 1,000,000,000,000, fuel stations for every golf cart charger. I'm going to start making a point to look out for them so I can park my smoky diesel truck sideways in front of them. Just to get back at all the commies I've had to wait behind while they shopped and filed there priuses from shared gas/diesel pumps.

The electric car is as old as the automobile itself. It was abandoned almost from its inception for the same reason they remain a novelty item today. Sure some technology improved, but the biggest change is that the idiots who drove electric cars 100 years ago died without passing on the truth of there fools errand. Now a new generation of idiots have been born without the knowledge or ability to look into the past to see what a stupid idea the electric car is.

Who was it? PT Barnum? There's a sucker born every minute.

[CRH1]

Absolutely not true. On the road you use DC fast chargers. I can get 150 miles of range in 15 minutes on a Gen 3 Supercharger and cars like the Taycan with their 800V system can charge even faster with the right network. On the road we routinely get over 240 miles between super chargers on the Model 3 and considering we normally stop every 3 hours or so anyway it’s easy to cover 600 - 700 miles a day which is significantly more than the average road tripper covers. But yes, if you are making a cannonball run it MIGHT slow you down but there’s a couple of folks out there that are challenging some long standing distance runs with these new generation EVs. Between Tesla’s network and the VW funded Charge America network it’s becoming a none issue. And for those who really like to cover distances 500+ mile batteries with appropriate fast change DC networks are just around the corner.

And FYI, we routinely see 48 mile per charge hour on our 60A 240V home charger so even on those days where we run the battery down to 10% it’s back to 80% (where we normally charge to when we aren’t planning a trip) before we go to bed. On those days we know we’re are going on some longer runs we tell the car when we are leaving and when we get in the battery is topped off at 100%. It’s like driving an iPad

mjw930,
You seem like a reasonable person that has experience with the EC's. Can you answer a few questions, if you feel comfortable doing so? I fully understand if you don't, with today's political climate. To me its just a vehicle, a point a to point b tool, but to some its much more.
1. How much extra do you spend a month in electricity bills?
2. Did you have to modify your house for a 220V outlet? If so what is the expected costs in that?
3. What is the normal life span of the batteries?
4. How much is the costs to replace the batteries?

[mjw930]

I’m not an EV zealot but I’m also not closed minded. I see EVs as just another tool in the box. You select the right tool for the job but that doesn’t mean you throw away the box with all the other tools and that’s where the zealots fall off the rail. I will always have ICE vehicles but the advantages of affordable EVs means I get to broaden my horizons. Each to their own.

[FUJIMO]

...anyone seen the documentary/movie "planet of the humans" yet? i got a charge out of it...

[David - WI]

...anyone seen the documentary/movie "planet of the humans" yet? i got a charge out of it...

Michael Moore though?

[mjw930]

mjw930,
You seem like a reasonable person that has experience with the EC's. Can you answer a few questions, if you feel comfortable doing so? I fully understand if you don't, with today's political climate. To me its just a vehicle, a point a to point b tool, but to some its much more.
1. How much extra do you spend a month in electricity bills?
2. Did you have to modify your house for a 220V outlet? If so what is the expected costs in that?
3. What is the normal life span of the batteries?
4. How much is the costs to replace the batteries?

No problem, here you go.

1. So far it’s averaging about $20 / month but the Model 3 is only averaging 500 miles / month. It works out to about 4 cents / mile vs. 14 cents per mile for the ICE car it replaced. It wasn’t an economy car, it was a Porsche Macan S that averaged about 20mpg using premium gas. So we are saving about $50/month. It’s nice but it’s not the reason we bought the car but if it was being used at the average annual mileage for US cars (12000 miles) that would be about $1200 / year in fuel savings.

2. Our house is only 12 years old and has a 200A panel so I was able to add the 60A 220V circuit for about $80 + the $500 for the Tesla wall connector. If I would have had it done by an electrician that would have added a couple hundred to the cost. If you have less than 200A service it may be a lot more expensive depending our your panel load.

3. That depends but Tesla and pretty much all of the new crop of EVs are projecting well over 100,000 miles. There are a couple of documented cases with some Model 3’s where they have surpassed 200,000 miles and only seen a 10% drop in battery capacity so the jury is still out. Tesla and Lucid are hyping the newest generation as million mile batteries, we will see. If they crack the nut on solid state batteries, and they are close, they potentially may never wear out.

4. This is a tough one. The prevailing wisdom is between $3000 - $7000 for the Model 3 but since they are warrantied for 8 years and 100,000 miles there have only been a few cases where people needed to come out of pocket. Here’s a link to one of those cases. In this case it was a whopping $16,000. It’s worth a read because the number should not be taken out of context. https://www.currentautomotive.com/ho...lacement-cost/

Quite honestly our decision to purchase a Model 3 was as much an experiment as anything else. We aren’t tree huggers, we didn’t do this to save the planet or make a statement. We simply are intrigued with the technology and want to be able to make intelligent, informed decisions going forward. The fact that we have throughly enjoyed our ownership experience so far is just icing on the cake.

We also spent a month with a Porsche Taycan 4S and although we are seriously impressed with the car we found the charging experience to be less than optimal. Tesla has a decade head start on the charging infrastructure and until you’ve lived with both you don’t get the true picture of how much of the ownership experience is tied to the charging infrastructure. The best example that people here could relate to is running a high performance outboard that requires premium octane ethanol free gas on waterways that only are designed to service the casual boater, AKA the St. John’s river until recently.

[PaulR]

I’m not an EV zealot but I’m also not closed minded. I see EVs as just another tool in the box. You select the right tool for the job but that doesn’t mean you throw away the box with all the other tools and that’s where the zealots fall off the rail. I will always have ICE vehicles but the advantages of affordable EVs means I get to broaden my horizons. Each to their own.

Well said, but our current so called leaders are throwing away the box with the other tools before the box with the new tools are ready to go.

[CUDA]

From what I'm reading, about 28 miles per hour of charge at a 240V charge station. So, almost 11 hours. 11 hours of charge, 4 1/4 hours driving (at 70 mph highway)...... that sucks.

I did a trip from Miami to Chicago last year, took about two days up and two days back (10 - 11 hours a day)..... roughly 1400 miles each way. in an electric car/truck it probably would have been almost 5 days each way. Until they get faster charging down and longer range, they can keep them IMO.

Yeah I ordered the 500 + mile battery, they said they will have a option for a built in solar panel in the roll up roof on the Cybertruck


https://www.tesla.com/supercharger

[David - WI]

0-60 in 1.1 sec?

Yes, with the SpaceX rocket thruster option package. It will be safe, but very intense. Probably not wise for those with a medical condition – same as a hardcore roller coaster.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/rocket-...oadster-health