outboard outrigger speed record.

[stormbringer1]

I've been away a while. Wrestled with a 200 carb Merc cooling problem we only partially solved but at least its running on my 22 Velocity very weell if not a little warm.. A few years back there was a group of guys testin an outrigger outboard for a shot at the world speed record. It looked like an Evenrude V6 but uncertain. Can anyone help me out here? Who was working this? Is the boat still out there?
Thanks.
Stormbringer1

[CUDA]

Montyracing.com He knows ALL...

[Chaz]

Kuder .. I think that boat is closer to him .. than either you or I

[sick_nick]

It was a Monty V8. My guess would be that they ran out of free time and/or money. I'd love to hear what happened with this project. click the youtube account names for more videos.

[Mark Poole ModVP]

When an outboard powerhead can make 2000 hp that boat might work.

[CUDA]

I guess you heard about the stacker,

three V8 powerheads bolted together

Got some 12 ft floats and outriggers to carry the weight, stabilize.

The story goes the $money man died so did the dream.

But if you got the money and a dream

Monty at your service!$$

[Instigator]

Bla ha ha!

How true.

When an outboard powerhead can make 2000 hp that boat might work.

[HStream1]

That project Died. The Boats owner passed away and it got tied up in his estate. Last i heard it was locked up in some warehouse down in texas. Regardless From all the videos Ive watched there is no way that boat would Run. It never Broke loose and stayed in the water like a Plow.

[JPEROG]

That outrigger was designed for 3000 hp. I know where there is a VERY nice set of molds for one if anybody has interest.

Joe

[D.E.]

That outrigger was designed for 3000 hp. I know where there is a VERY nice set of molds for one if anybody has interest.

Joe

The outboard boat was smaller than the fuel boats and the mold I think your talking about is for the inboard fuel/alchohal hull(Pictured) The molds for the outboard are junk at this point I am sure. As far as the boat running it needed a few changes including different front sponsons more inline with original drag boats which had more angle of attack and dihedral built in them. I was in the process of building a complete new and different set more inline with the drag boat to "free it up" when Rick passed. I was told my draboat would never work and 15 yrs later the same hulls are on the water with 0 crashes, the current 1/4 mile et record,first hull to run 270mph, current lucas oil et record holder at a 3.10 current TFH champion and runner up. I no were at least one of the outboard tubs are(2 built) and I am sure with lessons learned it can work( Lessons learned are not all about the hulls?) I appreciate what Gordon, Chaz, Jack and all involved did considering we all were at the mercy of the owner's wishes and $. I only wish I would have moved to Florida sooner so I could have been close enough to be more involved at the time they were testing. The pieces are out there and an effort could be made.

[Chaz]

It's really easy to play "tuesday morning quarterback" .. so put me in coach, I don't smoke ..

To say the "boat won't work" is getting rid of the ball because of the pass rush. Let me ask this : Who here would drive a Mirage or STV to 200 MPH .. ???

It's not so much a HP thing, but more about "weight placement". We make a big deal about moving a couple of batteries from the transom to under the deck. Imagine moving a car motor from just behind your head, to a V-8 outboard, outside, hanging off the back.
The first set of rear sponson's were too small and it was obvious that the boat was going to sink. So Gordon had a local guy build a bigger set that would float the boat and not sink or swamp the bottom cylinders coming off of plane. It frustrated me as well , but those early vid's were about making sure nothing would break or sink the boat. A lot of money was spent on that tater-chip, and I don't know of anyone who would want to lose it to make a small handful Youtubers happy, and I'm pretty sure none of us would want to get cut to shreds by frisbee size pieces of thin carbon fiber. Gordon said from the beginning, that he was not the driver, just the guy to break the motor in and make sure all systems were OK , since his long time friend Jack was slated to be the wheel man.

Speaking of STV's, would you be afraid that somewhere between 151 MPH that Dixon ran and 200+ that they set as a goal, you might blow a 19' hull over ??? Yea, they were too, that's why they built a rigger boat. If it proved to not have enough lift, we already had 1 set of "pants" to cover the aluminum tubes that had an adjustable wicker to add additional lift or downforce as needed.
Personally, I would have liked to see the front sponsons pulled in a bit and maybe made a little smaller since they no longer needed to support the weight of a blown alky hemi.
I wasn't fond of it being a "four track" either. True that at speed it would float on the top and the rear of the boat is a tunnel, but the fact that each sponson had to cut it's own path thru the water, had to add to the hydrodynamic drag coefficient numbers.

If you watch an unlimited hydro start to move, it looks like just as much water is going over it as is going under it. Rick wanted to drag race the boat at Firebird, first to get a feel for it. So that's kind of how it got set-up, little gear , little lefty prop, they would get in it and stomp the pedal. I said my peace one time … watch them at Bonneville, they feather the pedal with airplane gearing until they get going pretty good and then roll into it .. Gotta keep the boss happy sometimes I reckon.
I have no doubt that with a few changes the true potential could be seen.

The mid was 4" or 5" tall and the adapter plate is 2" and some change. I don't remember exactly, but it's between 6" - 7" overall.
An adjustable strut for the trim, and struts to trim the torque steer.



The day Jack came down, the state had just cut the grass growing in canal-X , the rudder got caught in a big grass bed and snapped off. Hindsight is always 20/20. I'm just glad the boat kept going straight ..



The bottom of the cash well was pretty deep in those days, as things were progressing on the "twisted" boat, which was 80- 90% there .. I'm have no doubt this guy below was going to be the next piece in line to replace it . None of us are here forever, Rick's life was cut short due to health (heart) reasons. He was a guy who knew exactly what he wanted. Sought out the best people for the job, gave everybody the freedom to be creative to do what they do … and didn't mind paying for what he got. What more could either side ask for …







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[Chaz]

Happy Easter Dan ...

[D.E.]

Happy Easter Dan ...

You too, I should come down and see you soon , I have Another "fast" project I want to see what you think when the apocalypse is over!

[Instigator]

It was an interesting design concept for sure.

I went to work for Tim Butts in Houston right out of high school.

At the time (mid 70’s - early 80’s) his 3 point hydros held every alky OB record there was.
Tim was s very smart dude who liked to experiment.

He built one of his Butts Aerowing w/canard wings on the back deck, at the transom that were adjustable. He could plant the transom or carry it w/those wings.

He went over in one of his hydros @ WFO and swore never again.

He built a 4 point outrigger (early 80’s) to eliminate lift.
His design premise was what he saw in the RC boat world.
I think he built a couple of them but never got them to work.

He was only working w/maybe 150 HPs from his 500cc Konig but it was only 60/70 lbs and probably 130ish on the hull.

I only saw it run once but it was very wet and never got on top.

W/Dans hull, if they worked long enough to get it over the hump, who knows.
I like the theory, if the weight was low enough (don’t recall a hull weight??) to get it up on the sponsons....., maybe...

If you look at hull attitude on the V-8 record holding 3 point, they have the sponsons planted!
Which has to be a ton of drag.
Im sure to eliminate and chance of blow over.

I know when I was working for Tim, OMC was talking to him about building a 3 point to go after the OB record.
He told them he thought he could break the outright propeller driven record which was 203 at the time!

Wonder how many failed record attempts there are versus successful ��
And how many failed attempts that we never even hear about.

I am friends with Ken Warby and when you look at some of his hull designs/features you just shake your head.
But, who knows more about those speeds than him ����

[Chaz]

You too, I should come down and see you soon , I have Another "fast" project I want to see what you think when the apocalypse is over!

Lookin forward to it. If we go back to being the USA, maybe we can even hit my fav lunch spot .. and you know … send MIDLIFE and Gator the bill … LOL

Gator .. from what I remember. The inner frame was 51 lbs .. mid-section with clamp was 11 pounds and had an inch of up-down adjustment depending on split-collar placement .. The steering seat and pedal added another 10 -15 lbs . Outrigger tubes across the front were 10 each .. not much, but it all adds up .
You know better than me the power Monty can make with a big-inch V-8. Plus he had plans to put a couple healthy stages onboard.
I found a couple more old pics …

6" adjustable pedal + stop ..



Same with the steering column, set screws allowed it to match drivers arm length ..



Both steering cables went down the right side to a bellcrank, then two more back to the rudder, to slow down rudder speed ..



Whole thing lagged to the bottom corner blocks every 12 or 18 inch's. Dan's measurement's were so accurate, that I don't recall a single shim being needed.

I don't remember what the fuselage weighed, but you could pick up each half by hand and walk away with it … carbon is amazing stuff …





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