Fastest SOB hull???

**Greg G** · 11-05-2015, 04:20 PM

It's raining and no boating so updating The List with the Velocity 220 for the last time before it goes to the NLP category...............

Say goodbye to Hollywood.

Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2015....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6300 RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 7 1/2" pad -- Confirmed 105.9MPH Driver Blake Sewell Canada
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 14” pad -- Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver Dave Van Steelant (550lbs3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad-- Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2”Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 3" pad -- Assumed 88MPH Driver Unknown (525 I/O heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire 21 & SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs – 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad -- Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad -- Confirmed 84.8MPH Driver aaronmt73
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#1 2002 Intimidator 21 - Hull Weight Unknown-Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad -- Confirmed 100MPH <o

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#4 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs-Deadrise=21.5 Degrees -- Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III(326HP) – (Driver Jamescole)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs-Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5 1/2" pad -- Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 EFI(256HP) – (Driver dnelson964)
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**Greg G** · 11-08-2015, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by JUPITER PULSARE

Not sure what you are implying but the thread is about single outboard V bottoms that are production boats..not one off raceboats. Then you question Checkmate's quality?? Let's see, been in bussiness for close to 50 years, they've actively raced throughout the years, they've been competetive and yes, they've been fairly mass produced so their factory rigging may not be up to the standard of a custom rigged boat but, if you look at any of Randy "Wildman" Corsen's Checkmate creations they would be right there with any Progression, Superboat, etc. Velocity's were also mass produced; would you question their "quality"?? I believe all these 21/22 foot V bottoms have their own merrits..some better slightly better than others, some fairly equal. The bottom line is that you can't go wrong with any 21' Checkmate Pulsare, 22' Velocity, 21' Superboat, 22' Progression, etc. for the ability to handle relatively snotty water, the fun factor, the ability to run fast (upwards of 90 with the right power) and versatility (carry at least 5 passengers, have a small cuddy to get out of the weather, storage, etc.).

Originally Posted by buddy stewart

Nice boat. Al Shapiro "Waterheater" race boat. Checkmate.

Originally Posted by RobF

Guy in bellmore or oceanside area has a 21 Checkmate Pulsare with a 300xs. Don't know if he comes on here too much.
checkmate is still building boats im sure they will make one http://www.screamandfly.com/showthre...to-Long-Island

Originally Posted by gm250

I like checkmate boats

Originally Posted by Don Geiger

CHECKMATE numbers don't count for some reason even on go pro with live GPS.

Does anyone by chance have film footage/pictures of the 2100 Pulsare 19 degree V hull racing or running in rougher waters over the years? I'm assuming they made that model in both O/B & I/0.

**progression22** · 11-08-2015, 12:27 PM

Besides Wildman is there any other checkmate running higher then 90 mph?

**wickedwitthestix** · 11-08-2015, 12:29 PM

Checkmates don't belong on this list. I don't get why they are still being brought up. Also there's pictures on herbs intimidator thread of his gps at over 106. Bs or not idk but if we're going by pics of gps y is that not on the list? Also everyone knows the black 21 super was the fastest one. Y is that not on the list? Is this really a popularity contest? Or an impartial list?

**whipper** · 11-08-2015, 02:43 PM

Looking at the bottoms its easy to see what makes the Tuff,Progression and Bernico,s the fastest. Also though i love the dash layout of the Sutphen they sure are shallower than i thought and not much fee board? Were they always designed this way or have they made them less substantial these days?

**2.5-21** · 11-08-2015, 03:00 PM

Is the list made up of boats that are currently available or a list of what someone finds interesting?
Because this boat is currently available new,

**whipper** · 11-08-2015, 06:20 PM

Checkmate boats has a great racing history and the 21 closed deck is for sure a SOB why would anyone say its not? Thats what there built for running the rough water with a deep vee closed deck ect...? No different than the Velocity or any off the boats on this list. Maybe im wrong but they have more fee board than some on this list and just as deep of vee? why wouldnt they?

**Greg G** · 11-08-2015, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by 2.5-21

Is the list made up of boats that are currently available or a list of what someone finds interesting?
Because this boat is currently available new,

Do you know if your old boat pictured was the last time that Coen built a Superboat 21? It was a 2003 you had, correct? Glen Anderson had it the last I believe but I'm not sure if you sold it to Glen directly back in the day. Anyway, Coen really needs to start building these things again. I had two over the years and it's a shame that he hasn't built one in 13 years but I could be wrong. Seems that the market is coming back for these smaller boats.

**RobF** · 11-08-2015, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Greg G

Coen really needs to start building these things again.

Its not that he WONT build them, its just that no one has wanted one

when everyone said bring back the flat deck and he asked for 10 buyers not a single person stepped up

**2.5-21** · 11-08-2015, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Greg G

Do you know if your old boat pictured was the last time that Coen built a Superboat 21? It was a 2003 you had, correct? Glen Anderson had it the last I believe but I'm not sure if you sold it to Glen directly back in the day. Anyway, Coen really needs to start building these things again. I had two over the years and it's a shame that he hasn't built one in 13 years but I could be wrong. Seems that the market is coming back for these smaller boats.

He built this deck for the IO and my boat had the first well and hatch for it (took nearly a year to complete) He then built 2-3 outboards since that I Know of most went out of state. They are out there but Coen always built them for stock applications

**progression22** · 11-08-2015, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by gm250

Don guyger has a fast checkmate but it has a Yamaha and over 90 can't go on the list he isn't popular

Its very interesting to see what other checkmate that put up a good solid number. I don't think checkmates are that bad of a boat and definitely has the right to be next to any sob built on long Island or anywhere else. I would like to see some pics of the ones we are talking about.

I see how it is a popularity contest. When a guy like me comes here they frown upon actually running their boats and competing. I'm sorry that the in crowd don't like me and they don't wanna play in my sandbox. Ask urself why?????

**2.5-21** · 11-08-2015, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Greg G

2.5-21, did you sell your 2003 boat to Glen Anderson directly?

I think it was Glen, He lived in copiague at the time and shortly after moved to california with it. Do yo know Him? Do you know the whereabouts of the boat? I know it was for sale out there at one time.

**Greg G** · 11-08-2015, 06:57 PM

That's pretty interesting. He sold it. I want to say about two years ago but I lost track of where it ended up but I believe it went to Havasu. He's running a different brand of 21 now with a 300XS.

**2.5-21** · 11-08-2015, 07:01 PM

Keep an eye out for it I would buy it back at the right price

**Don Geiger** · 11-08-2015, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by wickedwitthestix

Checkmates don't belong on this list. I don't get why they are still being brought up. Also there's pictures on herbs intimidator thread of his gps at over 106. Bs or not idk but if we're going by pics of gps y is that not on the list? Also everyone knows the black 21 super was the fastest one. Y is that not on the list? Is this really a popularity contest? Or an impartial list?

Apparantly you dont like chckmates like it or not there fast and well bilt and great looking and family frendly and a real interior, what boat do you run and what speed

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