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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    We lived the dream, it's all long gone, but we were there Gene, we did it, created a bit of powerboat history, met the legends that were there before us and ran with the men who became legends in their own lifetime. It's a pleasure to have been, and still are, part of "BOAT RACING HISTORY".
    As the young generation would say today, "You guys rock!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob V View Post
    As the young generation would say today, "You guys rock!"
    and as "Rocky" (Sylvester Stalone) would say "ABSOLUTLY"
    most overnite successes usually take at least 10 years


    Certified turd polisher,

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    Shoulda read the comics of the time Stevo or tagged google, or just plain "Believed me" !!!
    Buckley was one of the great names in English powerboating, but the boat was a straight line hydro, I don't ever remember IT actually racing in any event.
    Interesting comparison here I got 124 mph in 1978 at Windermere with 400 horses
    Tony Fahey -------year I don't know, achieved 130 with 625 hp.
    ET 79 ran 133 with 720 HP in 1985
    Didn't Buckley have Three or four "MISS WINDERMERE" ? Boats.
    Tony Fahey got lots of press coverage about going for a world water speed record, but I guess Warbys Bowering dam ride put the mockers on that.
    Didn't he get a "Rude" ride? Remember James Beard trying to teach him how to drive one of the Cougar tunnels.
    I always thought the Cosworth was capable of 150 + ------was just me and the Hodges that weren't capable.
    Bottom line here is, with well over 700 gee-gees,150 mph was well within reach, and tunnel design had rapidly improved by 1985.
    C'mon Stevo, admit it -------YO WUZ RONG.
    Hi Jackie just need to remind you when you did the Windermere speed run in 1978 with 400HP that Alfie Bullen in his old Burgess was there with only 260 HP and he recorded 121 MPH?

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    Tony Fahey?

    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    Shoulda read the comics of the time Stevo or tagged google, or just plain "Believed me" !!!
    Buckley was one of the great names in English powerboating, but the boat was a straight line hydro, I don't ever remember IT actually racing in any event.
    Interesting comparison here I got 124 mph in 1978 at Windermere with 400 horses
    Tony Fahey -------year I don't know, achieved 130 with 625 hp.
    ET 79 ran 133 with 720 HP in 1985
    Didn't Buckley have Three or four "MISS WINDERMERE" ? Boats.
    Tony Fahey got lots of press coverage about going for a world water speed record, but I guess Warbys Bowering dam ride put the mockers on that.
    Didn't he get a "Rude" ride? Remember James Beard trying to teach him how to drive one of the Cougar tunnels.
    I always thought the Cosworth was capable of 150 + ------was just me and the Hodges that weren't capable.
    Bottom line here is, with well over 700 gee-gees,150 mph was well within reach, and tunnel design had rapidly improved by 1985.
    C'mon Stevo, admit it -------YO WUZ RONG.
    . It's me again Jackie' I can remember Tony Fahey racing James Beards Cougar the(James Latham Special) Evinrude V4 powered in 1974 that boat was one of the better Cougars he had the base of the drivers seat in GRP protruding 5 inches down in to the tunnel so he sat much lower but i thought it left his Crown Jewels looking very vulnerable?I do think Tony only came in to boat racing for the experience of fast boats his real agenda was like you say to build a boat for the World Water Speed record.He had a team at I think it was Liverpool University working on a revolutionary design and they built a smaller version as a test mule it was to be outboard powered.In 1976 Tony's team took this boat over to the OMC racing division over in Brugge Belgium to have a V6 racing engine fitted where Tony did some high speed test runs now the race manager Paul Kalbe was overseeing this and later told me that the boat lifted off and Tony went that high he thought he was going to make it back over the channel to the Uk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STEVERINO View Post
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    Hi Jackie just need to remind you when you did the Windermere speed run in 1978 with 400HP that Alfie Bullen in his old Burgess was there with only 260 HP and he recorded 121 MPH?
    No need to remind me Stevo, Why the hell did you think i went all the way up to Windermere, I only went cos Alfie had done the record.
    I also won the Duchess of york the month before at Chasewater--------Percy was racing the works Mercury and Alfie the factory 'Rude'.I lapped them both.
    There was no such thing as an OLD Burgess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie wilson View Post
    No need to remind me Stevo, Why the hell did you think i went all the way up to Windermere, I only went cos Alfie had done the record.
    I also won the Duchess of york the month before at Chasewater--------Percy was racing the works Mercury and Alfie the factory 'Rude'.I lapped them both.
    There was no such thing as an OLD Burgess.
    Jackie:
    We were running those kind of speeds (121+) with a ROTARY in testing in Fl. in 1973 with an OLD Scotti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    We lived the dream, it's all long gone, but we were there Gene, we did it, created a bit of powerboat history, met the legends that were there before us and ran with the men who became legends in their own lifetime. It's a pleasure to have been, and still are, part of "BOAT RACING HISTORY".
    An old guy used to help me in the pits at the Stadium---worked for my cousin in the Keys as a mechanic--came to all the races----


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotary John View Post
    Jackie:
    We were running those kind of speeds (121+) with a ROTARY in testing in Fl. in 1973 with an OLD Scotti.
    You may have done that in testing with an optimistic speed gun Johno in '73---------but somewhere along the way, you lost a sh-t load of speed by 1978, I could match both factories for speed and on the circuits none of 'em were doing 110.!!!
    You should make it quite clear Johno that any factory boat is OLD after one season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    You may have done that in testing with an optimistic speed gun Johno in '73---------but somewhere along the way, you lost a sh-t load of speed by 1978, I could match both factories for speed and on the circuits none of 'em were doing 110.!!!
    You should make it quite clear Johno that any factory boat is OLD after one season.
    Hey Jackie can I be the referee on this one I did 2 races against the Rotaries? I also tested many of the later OMC engines up to 79 Maybe we could got Ron Hill to ask Jimbo?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    You may have done that in testing with an optimistic speed gun Johno in '73---------but somewhere along the way, you lost a sh-t load of speed by 1978, I could match both factories for speed and on the circuits none of 'em were doing 110.!!!
    You should make it quite clear Johno that any factory boat is OLD after one season.
    Jackie: you're correct. In 1978 the rotary engines had been in a crate since 1975, so they weren't going very fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    You may have done that in testing with an optimistic speed gun Johno in '73---------but somewhere along the way, you lost a sh-t load of speed by 1978, I could match both factories for speed and on the circuits none of 'em were doing 110.!!!
    You should make it quite clear Johno that any factory boat is OLD after one season.
    Jackie: you're correct. In 1978 the rotary engines had been in a crate since 1975, so they weren't going very fast. Believe me they were going a hell of a lot faster than 110MPH on the first lap at Parker 1973.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotary John View Post
    Jackie: you're correct. In 1978 the rotary engines had been in a crate since 1975, so they weren't going very fast. Believe me they were going a hell of a lot faster than 110MPH on the first lap at Parker 1973.
    HI John in 1976 they still had one in the reception entry hallway at OMC BRUGGE I think it may have been there while 1978 but not 100% sure?

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    Johno, as the old adage goes" ONE SWALLOW DONT MAKE A SUMMER" along with, you have to finish to win.
    Seems like OMC spent years of R&D and wheelbarrow loads of dollars for a fast lap at Parker and six wins from six complete motors at six minor events. Think cranks at $25,000 a pair sums it all up, overpriced and under achieved, as I said before--------The. Wankel was fatally flawed, even today in the 21st century---------a hundred and odd years since it's inception--------NOBODY is producing a viable ROTORY.
    Just about every form of propulsion device has leaped ahead except of course---THE WANKEL R.I.P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiewilson View Post
    Johno, as the old adage goes" ONE SWALLOW DONT MAKE A SUMMER" along with, you have to finish to win.
    Seems like OMC spent years of R&D and wheelbarrow loads of dollars for a fast lap at Parker and six wins from six complete motors at six minor events. Think cranks at $25,000 a pair sums it all up, overpriced and under achieved, as I said before--------The. Wankel was fatally flawed, even today in the 21st century---------a hundred and odd years since it's inception--------NOBODY is producing a viable ROTORY.
    Just about every form of propulsion device has leaped ahead except of course---THE WANKEL R.I.P.
    Jackie: I believe the discussion was about boat speed. Besides there a 2 yes two companies in ENGLAND producing and selling rotaries today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STEVERINO View Post
    HI John in 1976 they still had one in the reception entry hallway at OMC BRUGGE I think it may have been there while 1978 but not 100% sure?
    Never knew they had one in the Brugge lobby. I do know the last time they ran were Pewaukee, Wis. in the summer of '75. What 2 races did you run with the rotaries?

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