GM and Ford

[Hydrophobic guy]

Screw any domestic manufacturing we don't need it!

Not exactly what I'm talking about.
Why should government that can't do anything right give these idiots who have let their company's go down the crapper bailouts? It's totally friggin rediculous whats next? Who's worthy how about if G.E. was going down the chute? Them too? Gotta be a huge manufacturing corporation? How about Haliburton, Mobil Exxon, I could go on forever. Remember the airlines they got bailed out and look where their at AGAIN yep, the crapper. How about we see if someone will buy them before we run to the dumb a$$'s rescue. At the rate were going why bother with wasting time on socialism we mine as well jump right to communism.

[Pro300x24LD]

and I'm done.

I along with close friends of mine have been in these manufacturing plants with the beds for the UAW guys to sit on their asses and nap, I've seen the $55/hr floor sweeper (he doesn't exist), I've seen the production numbers from an outside point of view, I've talked with engineering consultants who are hired to up efficiency and production, I've walked plant floors with them, I've seen the engineering departments at suppliers, oem's, design meetings, etc. both transplant and american.

Don't fool yourself, if you think the UAW and the Domestics are still stuck in 1960/70 then you clearly are too....that was 35+ years ago.

Go look up some initial quality stats, go look up fuel economy stats in every category except the sub compacts, go look up the overall fleet fuel economy, quality, and option to option price point....let me know what you find.

[Pro300x24LD]

Not exactly what I'm talking about.
Why should government that can't do anything right give these idiots who have let their company's go down the crapper bailouts? It's totally friggin rediculous whats next? Who's worthy how about if G.E. was going down the chute? Them too? Gotta be a huge manufacturing corporation? How about Haliburton, Mobil Exxon, I could go on forever. Remember the airlines they got bailed out and look where their at AGAIN yep, the crapper. How about we see if someone will buy them before we run to the dumb a$$'s rescue. At the rate were going why bother with wasting time on socialism we mine as well jump right to communism.

I don't disagree at all with what you are saying. I think if the US as a nation wants to survive the way we have for so many years we need to have some pride in locally produced and manufactured products (to me that means North America, not just US) We also need to as a consumer demand that production and manufacturing come back to North American soil (great idea since we have developed and shared such great production facilities with the likes of china and others already). Why should we teach them all of the trade secrets we once held so they can produce our goods for us?

The pain is going to move to the top, just a matter of how long it takes, hopefully these idiots can see it sooner rather then later and can try and reverse the trend....

[Pro300x24LD]

ok I'm done for real this time.

[1BadAction]

ok I'm done for real this time.

Liar. You don't have the capability to sit on the sidelines and make smartass remarks like I do.

[Kartracer]

Not exactly what I'm talking about.
Why should government that can't do anything right give these idiots who have let their company's go down the crapper bailouts? It's totally friggin rediculous whats next? Who's worthy how about if G.E. was going down the chute? Them too? Gotta be a huge manufacturing corporation? How about Haliburton, Mobil Exxon, I could go on forever. Remember the airlines they got bailed out and look where their at AGAIN yep, the crapper. How about we see if someone will buy them before we run to the dumb a$$'s rescue. At the rate were going why bother with wasting time on socialism we mine as well jump right to communism.

The government CAN'T sit back and watch itself die. That is what will happen if they don't help a few out here and there. On top of the union problems, which had the government in their back pocket, the government is partly to blame for their problems. If the "loopholes", that have allowed the foreign automakers to take over this country, didn't exist, and we were involved in much more fair trade agreements with other countries, we wouldn't be in this situation.

As KOK_boy said, initial quality numbers are way up from the past. Toyota's aggressive ad campaigns and with much help from our media we have been brainwashed to believe that they are so much better.

[Pro300x24LD]

Liar. You don't have the capability to sit on the sidelines and make smartass remarks like I do.

Your 50% right.

I started only making LOL comments on this thread, then I couldn't take it, now I have it off my chest so I will just sit on the sidelines and make smartass remarks like you do

[Hydrophobic guy]

We also need to as a consumer demand that production and manufacturing come back to North American soil.

That is the root of the problem. With our idiotic corporate tax rate and not putting tarifs and taxes on imported goods we simply are driving ourselves out of the competition. Sure we can sharpen our pens as far as employee compensation but thats minor in comparison.

I will just sit on the sidelines and make smartass remarks like you do

You sure?

[Pro300x24LD]

That is the root of the problem. With our idiotic corporate tax rate and not putting tarifs and taxes on imported goods we simply are driving ourselves out of the competition. Sure we can sharpen our pens as far as employee compensation but thats minor in comparison.



You sure?

Wholeheartedly agree!! Thats like allowing toyota to ship a partially assembled car to the us to avoid the taxes a fully assembled car would recieve so it can be sold at a more competitive rate.


No, I'm not sure, but I'm trying as I look out my window over the empty streets of Detroit on this grey and gloomy day. Just think I'll pass 2 empty assembly plants on my drive home, thank god those people are out of work, it really makes traffic better....

[Kartracer]

Wholeheartedly agree!! Thats like allowing toyota to ship a partially assembled car to the us to avoid the taxes a fully assembled car would recieve so it can be sold at a more competitive rate.


No, I'm not sure, but I'm trying as I look out my window over the empty streets of Detroit on this grey and gloomy day. Just think I'll pass 2 empty assembly plants on my drive home, thank god those people are out of work, it really makes traffic better....

Chad, how is the resale value doing on your home? I bet those communities around those assembly plants are just as they were before they closed. All those convenience stores and restaurants still kicking, right?

[Pro300x24LD]

Chad, how is the resale value doing on your home? I bet those communities around those assembly plants are just as they were before they closed. All those convenience stores and restaurants still kicking, right?

LMAO

There is about a 10 mile stretch of Dort Highway in flint that EVERY building is abandoned. Delphi West, Buick City, GM Powertrain, EVERY restaraunt, EVERY bar, EVERY party Store, EVERY gas station, EVERY Bank, EVERY parts store, etc. The only thing left is a few strip clubs that didnt close and a few junkyards that are still operating.

Even the thugs moved out and half the homes are empty.

Coming to a city near you.....


damnit Kartrubber, I said I was done!

[JR IN JAX]

How many people nationwide work for GM? Ford? Chrysler?

Let us not forget the other 2 or 300 suppliers that would go under (just the foreign business will not keep enough of them in business), and of course the dealer network, the automotive techs, aftermarket, tire companies, oh and the shipping companies that move the raw materials, parts, and vehicles around.

Let us not forget the designers, engineers, Test, R&D, plant support, assembly workers, at not only the big three, but those other 2-300 companies out there supplying parts, materials, etc. Oh, oh oh, and don't forget all the people who supply the automated machinery and the builders who erect the plants, and the excavators who clear the land, and the pavers who pave the parking lots, and the landscapers who install and maintain the front lawns, and the, and the, and the.,....nope, I dont work for gm or chrysler it will never affect me.

Then once all of those people are out of a job, I wonder what all the market research companies will do? What about the financial companies that write auto loans? Insurance companies? What about the loss of spending in the economy from those further job losses? The job loss that would occur would criple this nation IMO.....but wo cares right?

Hey I know, we'll all just buy foreign made goods, like our computers, TV's, shoes, shirts, etc. and globally we'll contribute nothing by the way of goods, we'll just print money, buy everyone elses stuff and evolve into a third world country...great idea. Now we are talkin'!!!! Screw any domestic manufacturing we don't need it!

You are either; Blind, biased or have never dealt with the UAW [which I doubt]. When you try to drive into a UAW plant and they meet you at the gate requesting to see your union card and then calling your local to see if your dues are in good standing, who do you think is "running the show" them or management?

They also control what UNION contractor gets to provide ALL services to build and maintain the assembly/parts plants. They also get their "cut" from the contractors.

I have also been to a GM regional parts warehouse here where they "warehoused" laidoff union workers. They tried to bully me into not entering the plant but I walked right by them and surveyed the HVAC equipment for the building owner.

They, as Dodos, need to join the Dodo bird [extinct].

I work with a lot of the Trades Union guys and we get along well but the UAW are a bunch of Thugs.

[Pro300x24LD]

You do still live in he 60's don't you?


Don't take that as me being pro-union, but you're out of touch.

The UAW has created problems, why do you think the domestics are trying to re-negotiate contracts with them constantly? Why do you think more and more plants are pushed outside of the US? Why do you think most suppliers try to use non union labor?

[1BadAction]

damnit Kartrubber, I said I was done!

told you.

[Pro300x24LD]

for real this time