Fastest SOB hull???

[Da Bull]

Tuff and Progression may not ever go West, but Nordic won't ever come to New York either :smiletest:



You have a valid point. For those of us not in the north a little context would be great about these 21-22ft boats. After reading this thread it is my understanding that the Challenger was the original and all the rest are copies with changes made to the bottoms and the Tuff being the fastest. What changes were made? Pad, No pad? Bottom pics would be cool.


BTW, I`m a V bottom man at heart and love these boats just not popular down here.

DB

[Greg G]

Actually that is an interesting question Bull. One could certainly say that Challenger "started" it all. They were the basis for the entire category back in the late 70's I believe. The first hull built is said to be a 1976. That said, I think of the 6 that are for sale new, only the Tuff 21 has a direct bloodline to the Challenger 21. The Progression and Sutphen are 100% there own design. The Bernico is so radical I'd have to believe it is fresh from the drawing board but S+F'ers from across the pond will know that answer for sure. The Velocity 220 I am not sure on and the Nordic SR-21 came from Cyclone in Australia.

I'll post the bottoms of each

[mariawhitetrash]

Bernico is 100% Bernico, the step and pad have evolved over the years to where they are now on the 'Extreme' models

[Mitchie]

Question for the long island guys... How do the 21's work in the really rough stuff compared to a 24 super?

[dnelson964]

Actually that is an interesting question. One could certainly say that Challenger "started" it all. They were the basis for the entire category back in the late 70's I believe. That said, I think of the 6 that are for sale new, only the Tuff 21 has a direct bloodline to the Challenger 21. The Progression and Sutphen are 100% there own design. The Bernico is so radical I'd have to believe it is fresh from the drawing boat but S+F'ers from across the pond will know that answer for sure. The Velocity 220 I am not sure on and the Nordic SR-21 came from Cyclone in Australia.

I'll post the bottoms of each.

I believe the Velocity is a true Steve Stepp design with roots back to the old Arnow deep vee.

[dnelson964]

Question for the long island guys... How do the 21's work in the really rough stuff compared to a 24 super?

The 24' super is going to always be better in the rougher waters...it's advantages are: longer, heavier, deeper vee. Been in both and driven with both types side by side. I would say at 2' they are close in speed.....below 2' the 21' will pull away...above 2' the 24 pulls away. I have driven a 21' Challenger fast thru 3'-3'+ once out of necessity off Montauk , LI NY and I had to half stand so my knees would take shock absorption but it wasn't too much fun and I was much younger.
JMO

[Greg G]

I would agree with that. I have owned two Superboat 21''s and driven a Superboat 24. It is really an unfair comparison because of the extra hull length.

[Greg G]

How wide is the pad on the Challenger 21 SOB ?

[dnelson964]

How wide is the pad on the Challenger 21 SOB ?

The Challenger 21' and Superboat 21' are exactly the same hulls/ same molds so 6" stock pad width.

[Greg G]

Got it, I thought there were small differences on the pad. Thanks

[Greg G]

I believe the Velocity is a true Steve Stepp design with roots back to the old Arnow deep vee.

Now as I think of it you are correct. Somewhere there is an article about Steve Stepp's development of the Velocity. Brand new design. I bet Stepp has fielded 100's of calls on that hull of his!

[Greg G]

For those of us not in the north a little context would be great about these 21-22ft boats. After reading this thread it is my understanding that the Challenger was the original. BTW, I`m a V bottom man at heart and love these boats. DB

Here you go Bull with some vintage information direct from the source ............


I raced a 1977 Challenger 21' same year w/ a 200 cross flow - this boat dominated offshore racing in Bermuda for a number of years - after this boat i moved onto the Shadow 21' built by Image Boat Co. in NJ, the same company that went on to build the legendary 30' shadow cat. The 21' Shadow was the direct descendant of George Linder's 21' Challenger. the 21' challenger also made the cover of Powerboat magazine sometime in 1977. i'm presently involved with rennovation of my original 1977 challenger - a true classic.

[Greg G]

Bernico is 100% Bernico, the step and pad have evolved over the years to where they are now on the 'Extreme' models

How many years has the 21 been available for sale? Was it designed off the board in 2007-2008 by Nico?

[JamesGang]

Hey Greg, need some Velocity updates here. Aaron with the new style Velocity Aaronmt73 has got 83.5 for a top speed. That currently listed as an unknown driver. My son Ben B kNo023 as you commented on is up to 95. Were gonna try salt water in the spring and see if we can top that.


125 Pages right around the corner ........... :rolleyes:


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long,7’7”Beam 22 degree (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3”Beam unknown (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant)(550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam 24 degree variable (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam 20 degree variable (88MPH Driver Unknown)(525I/O with heavy layup ran 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam 18 degree (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 hull weight-unknown – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam 22 degree deadrise (80.8MPH Driver Unknown)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)

[JamesGang]

Aaron has a 300XS

[Greg G]

100% agree, list updated for Ben's 95mph run. And it is only November!

Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 14” pad (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 83.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 95MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)<o:p</o

[JamesGang]

Thanks Greg, that was quick!

[Greg G]

And the bottoms of the Super 6 .......... For whatever reason I can't get the picture to upload :(

[JamesGang]

I'm glad there's something missing cause i totally didn't get it

[Greg G]

Yep, I'm not sure what is going on with the site technically but will try again .............

[vnemous]

I question the 21 Intimidator entry. Im sure TrimmedOut has a gps reading more than 85.

[dnelson964]

Yep, I'm not sure what is going on with the site technically but will try again .............


Greg.....Ben's Velocity has either a 11" or 12" pad I believe, you have noted 7" ?

[Greg G]

Maybe Ben will see this and give the pad width. I thought that the first generation Velocity 22's had a narrower pad then the current 220 model.

[mikeylarge]

Maybe Ben will see this and give the pad width. I thought that the first generation Velocity 22's had a narrower pad then the current 220 model.
Full size pad, 12" if memory serves me correct

[dnelson964]

Full size pad, 12" if memory serves me correct

Thanks Mikey.....and your old boat is still looking 'like new'....

[Trimmed Out15]

What about 87starflte Shadow? That should be up there too. One of the original hulls for sure

[Trimmed Out15]

Also, Doc, what is the pad width on your challenger? Curious compared to mine which I will measure today for ya

[vnemous]

We have a SD20 switzer with with a 200 merc on it running 70 on gps can we get it on the list. Oh yeah they are no longer made:D

[Omni Present]

The 24' super is going to always be better in the rougher waters...it's advantages are: longer, heavier, deeper vee. Been in both and driven with both types side by side. I would say at 2' they are close in speed.....below 2' the 21' will pull away...above 2' the 24 pulls away. I have driven a 21' Challenger fast thru 3'-3'+ once out of necessity off Montauk , LI NY and I had to half stand so my knees would take shock absorption but it wasn't too much fun and I was much younger.
JMO

As always doc is on the money. I originally was looking to buy a 21 SuperBoat but you really have to consider where your boating an being that I predominately boat in the Hampton's an Miami in water that on any given perfect boating day can be 2' to 4' slop a 21' low sided boat is just not practical. Whereas my 24'SB managed that an more with no problem. Routinely crossing over to the CT River thru Plum Gut an making weekly Montauk & Block Island runs rarely getting myself or my passengers wet until seas jumped to 4' to 6' or bigger. But if you want to go fast not burn a ton of fuel an have smiles for days all you have to do is watch some of doc's videos an it's obvious who's having the most fun! An that's always the 21' SOB guys even when it gets rough there right there to a point.......

[mariawhitetrash]

How many years has the 21 been available for sale? Was it designed off the board in 2007-2008 by Nico?

Nico made his own boat in the early 90s, they've been evolving ever since. The current F2 Extreme model has been around since 2009, and was built after the change in ski race F2 regulations which meant 2.5 EFi motors on 15" legs have been replaced with 20" 300xs.

[RobF]

Greg G= Wikipedia of boat specs, lol

[Greg G]

Greg G= Wikipedia of boat specs, lol

The fount of font's .......... and other useless tidbits

[JohnR]

Don't kid yourself Omni, that 24 of yours is airing out nicely in that second pic you posted.

[dnelson964]

What about 87starflte Shadow? That should be up there too. One of the original hulls for sure

I also agree...there should be a 21' Shadow with a number posted, it was also a significant 'notched' or not model and no longer produced. Bobby/Bezerko had one with an old 300 omc and Eric/87starflite presently runs one so we need a number.

BTW....I know you are modest over this Keith but all this fastest list means 'NOTHING' unless you also give us a real number from the 'RED' Intimidator or we get one from Herb.

[2.5-21]

Why dont you guys post all your top numbers as of 2013 in a new post (picture of gps required)

[Greg G]

Nico made his own boat in the early 90s, they've been evolving ever since. The current F2 Extreme model has been around since 2009, and was built after the change in ski race F2 regulations which meant 2.5 EFi motors on 15" legs have been replaced with 20" 300xs.

Got it. Didn't realize that they had upgraded there 21 footer to "Extreme" as of 2009.

[Trimmed Out15]

Why dont you guys post all your top numbers as of 2013 in a new post (picture of gps required)

In the spring we are having a fun run with gps optional and then we will have pics of the boat, driver and GPS.

[vnemous]

In the spring we are having a fun run with gps optional and then we will have pics of the boat, driver and GPS.

Shouldnt boat owner be optional also:D

[Greg G]

Why dont you guys post all your top numbers as of 2013 in a new post (picture of gps required)

Everyone has given GPS verified by photos. The only one of the 12 boats that has NOT is Nordic. I'm not sure why.

[2.5-21]

Everyone has given GPS verified by photos. The only one of the 12 boats that has NOT is Nordic. I'm not sure why.

Is there a post with these pictures? If not do you have them? would be nice to see

[Greg G]

Yes there are several locations in this thread that have the proof pics.

[87starflite]

I dont need to be on the list my boat is slow. Besides my boat is not notched and is the only foam core shadow i have seen or heard of to date.

[afr]

21-24ft, what is the fastest with a single outboard???

there is only one type hull the hydroplane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9zRXmowO8&feature=youtu.be

[afr]

here is second half of the fastest sob on the planet to date

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLDM1kE8pVw

[Greg G]

Full size pad, 12" if memory serves me correct

Wow, I did not realize the older Velocity 22 had that wide a pad.

[Greg G]

Velocity 22 "by Steve Stepp" pad width corrected below ............


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 14” pad (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 83.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 12" pad (Confirmed 95MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH - Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)<o:p</o

[Greg G]

I need to put together the pictures of the hull bottoms of the Super 6 .............

[RobF]

Wow, I did not realize the older Velocity 22 had that wide a pad.


https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/167044_474164352133_8360299_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/167044_474164347133_1990411_n.jpg

[Greg G]

Proof can be had at the Parker 336. The Nordic guys will have a few different boats out and running. It is usually fairly fast water, but by no means flat. Bring out the Tuff, Progression, etc. and race in a real race.

All quite on the Nordic front evidently............

[mercracer2.5]

I dont need to be on the list my boat is slow. Besides my boat is not notched and is the only foam core shadow i have seen or heard of to date.
Do you know what the other shadows are cored with?

[berzerko]

I believe all the jersey built luhrs hulls were balsa like the challengers before them
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i405/Beachcabinet/cars%20bikes%20boats/eaaaff8c.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/Beachcabinet/media/cars%20bikes%20boats/eaaaff8c.jpg.html)

[JamesGang]

Beautiful Shadow. That's gonna make Big Johnson jealous.

[CrazyHippy]

All quite on the Nordic front evidently............

Busy boating... Actually been out in a SOB recently that is not listed on your "Super 6", available for purchase now, running 93+ 2up, and on the limiter.

Good thing the internet SOB authority is around to keep everyone right up to date on things:rolleyes:

[Greg G]

Busy boating... Actually been out in a SOB recently that is not listed on your "Super 6", available for purchase now, running 93+ 2up, and on the limiter. Good thing the internet SOB authority is around to keep everyone right up to date on things:rolleyes:

Ahhh ..... yes, a 93mph "loch ness monster SOB" without a name or a GPS pic. :rolleyes:

[Greg G]

BTW....I know you are modest over this Keith but all this fastest list means 'NOTHING' unless you also give us a real number from the 'RED' Intimidator or we get one from Herb.

Sounds like there is a big number out there from somewhere this past year.

[Greg G]

Hey Greg, need some Velocity updates here. Aaron with the new style Velocity Aaronmt73 has got 83.5 for a top speed

I think Aaron is trying this weekend to better his 83.5mph speed. What do they say, each 100lbs is worth 1mph? Not sure how full of gas he was when he GPS'd 83.5 with his new style Velocity.

[aaronmt73]

Hit the lake today with a 27 Tempest and still was spinning the motor to high at almost 6500.I think there is more left then I thought in it,I just need a bit more prop yet again.I wasn't able to get any gas out a so im about 3/4 tank with around 40 gals.The lake wasn't the best for speed as it was glass again.:D

[JamesGang]

Congrats Aaron. I think you may pass the Nordic if this keeps up. When they up their # I hope we see a GPS pic.

[aaronmt73]

Congrats Aaron. I think you may pass the Nordic if this keeps up. When they up their # I hope we see a GPS pic.

I do think there is more for sure,I want to get the rpms down a bit with more pitch.I could of pulled a skier up today the 27 Tempest it came out so good.One thing I will say is the that looking at the list the Velocity is the only true cuddy cabin on the list.That is one of the most impressive things to me im not sure how heavy the others are but I can 4 girls dancing on the bow of ours without worry.I may see if I can borrow a friends 28 txp to see if that's the ticket.

[limitless]

Congrats Aaron
Great results!

[Greg G]

Congrats Aaron. I think you may pass the Nordic if this keeps up. When they up their # I hope we see a GPS pic.

Aaron is cranking! The Nordic SR-21 fits the bill for rough water JamesGang (SR-20 too small) but as much money as they have there has never been a GPS pic, even of the 86mph.

[JamesGang]

Well maybe its time for Crazy Hippy to step up to the plate and get us one.

[joneill]

I believe all the jersey built luhrs hulls were balsa like the challengers before them
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i405/Beachcabinet/cars%20bikes%20boats/eaaaff8c.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/Beachcabinet/media/cars%20bikes%20boats/eaaaff8c.jpg.html)
I love that boat Bobby, any other pics?

[limitless]

Well maybe its time for Crazy Hippy to step up to the plate and get us one.
I was thinking the same thing what's up with the negativity. What's the old saying...
Put up or shut up!

[2.5-21]

The secret is in the wide pad!

[Greg G]

The pad widths are all different on the 6. Wider has not necessarily meant faster? Here is the Sutphen 21 SSX

[mariawhitetrash]

The pad widths are all different on the 6. Wider has not necessarily meant faster?

That Sutphen pad doesn't look like 1" to me!

[Greg G]

What does it look like?

[mariawhitetrash]

Looks like twice the width of the bung fitting, I'd say 4 or 5" at a guess

[JamesGang]

Sutphen pad is 3"

[Greg G]

What's a bung fitting? The is no way that flat spot is 5" wide.

[Greg G]

Looks like 3 is the number JamesGang. Here is an excerpt from the old Sutphen factory rep as well ...........


The 21 SS Sutphen has a slightly flattened off area of about 3 inches, which may not be considered a traditional pad. I can say that this boat with this power may be the most "user friendly" 21 footer made.

[JamesGang]

I love that boat Bobby, any other pics?

Yea Bob, would love to see some more of this. Reminds me of my friend Chris Majoors twin 2.5 Shadow.

[vnemous]

What's a bung fitting? The is no way that flat spot is 5" wide.
The proper term is Garboard Plug fitting. I agree now way 5" maybe 3>

[JamesGang]

Looks like 3 is the number JamesGang. Here is an excerpt from the old Sutphen factory rep as well ...........

Don't want to take too much credit. I didn't know for sure either. Just got off the phone with Morgan Haak who is my go to guy for info. He and Richie are close friends and business associates so I get the straight scoop from them.

[mariawhitetrash]

3" is closer to my guess of 4-5" than 1" ;). We call the drain plug a bung over here!

Now it's not an open 4 seater, but it is a 23ft V hull so you guys will appreciate it hopefully! This sucker ran a UIM measured 2 way average kilo of 95.3mph, with a bone stock Gen 2 200XS! One way GPS peak was 97.3. 23ft, stepped hull, 1500lb race weight. Immense achievement!

287544

[Greg G]

The thing has some serious steps in it! 97.3 is epic. And congratulations mariawhitetrash, your bung explanation has put this thread into slot #11 of all time "view" count since Scream and Fly was started, and it is not even 1 year old yet. You win a free flight to Lake Havasu and a Go Pro to actually film a Nordic SR-21 doing 86mph on GPS!

[mariawhitetrash]

The thing has some serious steps in it! 97.3 is epic. And congratulations mariawhitetrash, your bung explanation has put this thread into slot #11 of all time view count since Scream and Fly was started, and it is not even 1 year old yet. You win a free flight to Lake Havasu and a Go Pro to actually film a Nordic SR-21 doing 86mph on GPS!

I'll get that sucker up to 90, when do I leave? :D

[Greg G]

Having a European monitor should be sufficiently neutral for the Nordic boys. Please sit on the floor while filming to provide less wind resistance for the proof run.

[mariawhitetrash]

If I'm going all that way then I'm driving!

[limitless]

3" is closer to my guess of 4-5" than 1" ;). We call the drain plug a bung over here!

Now it's not an open 4 seater, but it is a 23ft V hull so you guys will appreciate it hopefully! This sucker ran a UIM measured 2 way average kilo of 95.3mph, with a bone stock Gen 2 200XS! One way GPS peak was 97.3. 23ft, stepped hull, 1500lb race weight. Immense achievement!

287544

Is this the boat deigned by Okee Mannerfeld called a Bat Boat competed in A class Offshore with an I/O in the mid 1990's?

[Greg G]

Well maybe its time for Crazy Hippy to step up to the plate and get us one.


I was thinking the same thing what's up with the negativity. What's the old saying...Put up or shut up!

He has been back to the site several times since and not a peep or a pic out of Crazy Hippy. Maybe he has to check with the folks at Nordic.

[mariawhitetrash]

Is this the boat deigned by Okee Mannerfeld called a Bat Boat competed in A class Offshore with an I/O in the mid 1990's?

Its the 23ft Mannefelt yes. There's a 24 and 28 version which run I/O power, 19, 22 & 23 run outboards. The 28 has been run with twin outboards too in the old 4 litre offshore class. Amazing boats

[Greg G]

That 373 boat limited to a stock 300XS motor was running over 95mph lap after lap. Just being able to pull the motor up an inch on the SR-20 hull will smack that Tuff 102mph # bad. The larger SR-21 hull was tested extensively with a 300XS and could run right at 90 with a skier, but the setup for speed made the boat very flighty in the rough.

So basically the small SR-20 runs 95 but it's too short. The rough water Nordic SR-21 runs 90 set-up for "speed"? Show proof. Or here's a shocker. Given how that #737 hull is
such a "global player" go through the immense effort of putting a bigger prop on it and lay down a run in Havasu. Should take you about 10 minutes :nonod:

[Da Bull]

Well both of the Nordic boats in question were at least in the race so there are lap times that should be able to back their speed claims. There are vids as well. Personally speaking i would love to see either a Tuff, Challenger, SRV or any of the 21ft Vee`s go and run the Parker race. I think they would do well. Way back in the 80`s i test drove the SRV at the Mississippi River race and put it through some real nasty water and thought highly of it`s handling.

DB

[Greg G]

Sutphen pad is 3"


Don't want to take too much credit. I didn't know for sure either. Just got off the phone with Morgan Haak who is my go to guy for info. He and Richie are close friends and business associates so I get the straight scoop from them.

Nothing like going right to the source for the info JamesGang. Also it's interesting that the Sutphen is the only boat of the group to use a true Delta Pad on there hull bottom. You don't see that often. Would be interesting to see that 21 SSX hull flipped over to eyeball how far forward the 3" Delta Pad runs from the transom.

[JamesGang]

4 feet

[Greg G]

Thanks. The Sutphens certainly go way back with fast boats .............


Richie Sutphen, who owned a boat yard in New Jersey with his dad, was a legendary hydroplane racer and drove a wickedly fast, blown Keith Black Hemi powered Lauterbach named "Miss Gangway"...some would say "like he stole it!". After tearing up the Inboard division, he graduated to building High performance pleasure boats for the old OPC racing division. His outboard boats, 16 to 20 feet in length, featured a long constant deadrise bottom that worked real well in the choppy marathons of the late 60's. This design scaled up beautifully into the 30, 32 and 36 foot hulls that he debuted in later years in the offshore circuits after his move to Florida. I have great respect for Richie Sutphen (great racers are just meant to be called Richie, I guess:D) as he always brought a smile and a warm greeting to each race...before beating the crap out of you..... a real boat racer.

[JamesGang]

First of all Happy Thanksgiving Greg and all of the rest of you fast SOBs, Hippy Thanksgiving to the Nordic guys!
Great stuff about Richie Sr. and I dont know if you knew any of the previous history of this family from even a generation or two earlier. Henry Sutphen was also a fierce competitor. During World War II when we were being beaten at sea pretty bad by the German U boats we needed an answer and there was a nationwide competition to see who could build the fastest PT Boats. Sutphen won the competition. While not all the PTs were Elcos over 70% were.
Info on the heritage of the PTs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8tQP3s9DIQ
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e6Ei5UvLqI
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN47z3n52-c
Sorry this is off topic of Fastest SOB but still very cool to see what they had to do years ago to make a fast and durable rough water speedster.

[CrazyHippy]

He has been back to the site several times since and not a peep or a pic out of Crazy Hippy. Maybe he has to check with the folks at Nordic.

I am not connected with Nordic in any way. Been in a few, skied behind a few. I have no special knowledge of how fast they have actually run. I do know for a fact that what you are posting as a fact is an absolute joke.

There are very few boats on your list that are actually raced. The Nordics are. As opposed to posting up a GPS number, take a look at some recent race results.

The Bugatti Veyron is fast, and their owners like to brag about how fast they are. You never hear any F1 teams posting top speed numbers for some reason...

[Greg G]

Oh my, food coma and a Thanksgiving foible with CH. What precisely is an "absolute joke"? No one cares about race results. The other 5 boats are not race boats although any of the five could easily run with a Nordic SR-21 in any "race". mariawhitetrash races his Bernico 21 every weekend, does that work? It is about how fast the boat is running in perfect conditions and how good it is in rough water the rest of the time. When are you going to actually have facts and GPS shots to back your claims up? Get a bigger prop, take a picture and a vid, it really is that easy. Nor more, no less. Nordic makes a great product and it is built in the good 'ol USA. For all I know the SR-21 could/should be really fast with an 18 degree bottom and a pad, but so far it isn't. Why?, hell if I know there Hippy lol.

Get a tape measure for the SR-20 and get a camera for the SR-21. Until then 102 is the number you are chasing. It is 100% verified .......... period.

[Greg G]

I am not connected with Nordic in any way and I have no special knowledge of how fast they have actually run.

Does a Nordic SR-21 clock 102mph like the Tuff Hippy? :smiletest:
Does a Nordic SR-21 clock 94mph like the Progression? :smiletest:

:nonod:

You are not a great spokesperson for Nordic :rolleyes: And btw I am the one who suggested Nordic made a cool boat that was worth checking out :thumbsup:

[Greg G]

First of all Happy Thanksgiving Greg and all of the rest of you fast SOBs, Hippy Thanksgiving to the Nordic guys! Great stuff about Richie Sr.

Happy Thanksgiving, that is pretty cool to see the history go back generations. Not much of that left for sure.

[Omni Present]

Oh my, food coma and a Thanksgiving foible with CH. What precisely is an "absolute joke"? No one cares about race results. The other 5 boats are not race boats although any of the five could easily run with a Nordic SR-21 in any "race". mariawhitetrash races his Bernico 21 every weekend, does that work? It is about how fast the boat is running in perfect conditions and how good it is in rough water the rest of the time. When are you going to actually have facts and GPS shots to back your claims up? Get a bigger prop, take a picture and a vid, it really is that easy. Nor more, no less. Nordic makes a great product and it is built in the good 'ol USA. For all I know the SR-21 could/should be really fast with an 18 degree bottom and a pad, but so far it isn't. Why?, hell if I know there Hippy lol.

Get a tape measure for the SR-20 and get a camera for the SR-21. Until then 102 is the number you are chasing. It is 100% verified .......... period.


I like the the pictures it's like a exclamation point on your statement. So when are we gonna have the family boat fastest thread? I'm thinking that would get us through Jan,Feb,March!?!

[Brabender]

One of my favorite v bbottom


hows it coming omni

[Greg G]

That thing is sweet Omni

[mariawhitetrash]

I don't really get the roasting that CrazyHippy keeps getting?

Race results and drivability mean a hell of a lot more to me than slapping on a load of setback and a prop that is a bitch to plane and corner with just to run a big number and impress someone on the Internet. Sure the Tuff has run 102mph, but would it get near that in a real world race situation? No chance! Bombing around on a flat calm lake must get a bit dull week in week out?

[Greg G]

21-24ft, what is the fastest with a single outboard???


just vee bottoms. APBA used to have a SOB class that specified vee bottom single OB 21-24ft. Looking for something in that range


Run the Long Island sound, so looking for something that would run decent in some slop

Christmas is right around the corner 302Sport, buy all (6) of them for under the tree :thumbsup:

[Omni Present]

One of my favorite v bbottom


hows it coming omni

The coming of old Chris Kringle has slowed the forward momentum, that and me waiting on the outcome of bonus season. Hopefully after bonus season I will have the appropriate lets say motivation to get things heated up an get her done for a February Southern Florida splash other wise we'll all have to grind out till a March splash down south time will tell.......

[Omni Present]

That thing is sweet Omni

Thank you Sir!

[Omni Present]

I don't really get the roasting that CrazyHippy keeps getting?

Race results and drivability mean a hell of a lot more to me than slapping on a load of setback and a prop that is a bitch to plane and corner with just to run a big number and impress someone on the Internet. Sure the Tuff has run 102mph, but would it get near that in a real world race situation? No chance! Bombing around on a flat calm lake must get a bit dull week in week out?


I as a newbie happen to agree with drivability,reliability and safety. My personal boat is being set up with this in mind, to me I'd rather loose 5 to 10mph off the top to gain 5 to 10mph in consistent rough water drivability. For me someone who boats in the truly rough water conditions off eastern Long Island & Southern New England will hopefully result in shorter real world travel times. With that said we all want to know who when where heading up the CT River is gonna be in front it's just human nature!

#roughwaterboating #requiresaroughwaterboat #notalakeboat #yousaylikesitrough #imjustsaying :eek::cool::D

[CrazyHippy]

Does a Nordic SR-21 clock 102mph like the Tuff Hippy? :smiletest:
Does a Nordic SR-21 clock 94mph like the Progression? :smiletest:

:nonod:

You are not a great spokesperson for Nordic :rolleyes: And btw I am the one who suggested Nordic made a cool boat that was worth checking out :thumbsup:

Still no affiliation with Nordic... they are competitors, ill have a beer after the races with them. For some reason they have an issue with their competitors taking a tape measure to their boats.

I'm sure you can't grasp that thought though.

And I am certainly not chasing 102mph. Speed is irrelevant, I will be out front.

[Greg G]

Still no affiliation with Nordic... they are competitors. And I am certainly not chasing 102mph. Speed is irrelevant, I will be out front.

Strange that speed is irrelevant when the OP of this thread titled it "Fastest SOB Hull???" Perhaps you can't grasp that thought.

[Greg G]

I like the SR-21 by the way. Cool boat for sure.

[albypine]

After all the turkey I am sure it will be a long time before all my sob friends put up a new number :D ESP the jap crew ;)

[CrazyHippy]

Strange that speed is irrelevant when the OP of this thread titled it "Fastest SOB Hull???" Perhaps you can't grasp that thought.

And SOB is a race class. How many of your special 6 have raced on the last 5 years?

I forgot a group with my Bugatti/F1 refrence... the fan boys that insist on regurgitating "facts" from other sources, yet have zero actual experience.

[JamesGang]

Hey CH,
Rather than turning this into a pissing match. We get it your not affiliated with Nordic, but do you know of any threads like this one on the west coat that compare speeds of boats and have the Nordics we discussed here included? I would think there must be a thread on RiverDavesPlace that would have some GPS pics. If you find any could you post a link here.
Thanks,
Jim

[CrazyHippy]

Hey CH,
Rather than turning this into a pissing match. We get it your not affiliated with Nordic, but do you know of any threads like this one on the west coat that compare speeds of boats and have the Nordics we discussed here included? I would think there must be a thread on RiverDavesPlace that would have some GPS pics. If you find any could you post a link here.
Thanks,
Jim

Hey Jim,

With only a few exceptions, the SOB's on the west coast are all raced at least part time. This does 2 things:
1. Prevents people from posting up their top speed, setup, etc (why give away the hours of setup time to your competitors)
2. Generally limits ypur setup. The biggest example is propshaft height. We are limited to even with the pad in the rules. I have 30 pages of setup notes for various setbacks, heights, props, bottom work, etc, none of them are above the pad.

The Nordic boys are competitors. I know how their boat runs because I am next to them.

[dnelson964]

I know of 1 or 2 ...21' superboats that do race the California to Catalina ski race but they might not be set for fastest speeds. It think one sold last year w/225 merc on it and it was one for the first supers built I believe and I think the fellow who owned it is around 70 now.

There is also a 21' Superboat for sale now in Arizona , I wonder if CrazyHippy has any knowledge of these East Coast 21' Superboats running ?

[JamesGang]

Hey Jim,

With only a few exceptions, the SOB's on the west coast are all raced at least part time. This does 2 things:
1. Prevents people from posting up their top speed, setup, etc (why give away the hours of setup time to your competitors)
2. Generally limits ypur setup. The biggest example is propshaft height. We are limited to even with the pad in the rules. I have 30 pages of setup notes for various setbacks, heights, props, bottom work, etc, none of them are above the pad.

The Nordic boys are competitors. I know how their boat runs because I am next to them.

Man it's hard to believe that there aren't a lot of people out west that own these and are setting them up optimum for there own personal preferences. I know personally I like my boat to handle rough water and still be a reasonably fast setup with the priority on handling. I usually opt for minimal setback, side ram steering, but the use of a transom jack for optimum x dimension. That's my preference but I also know I could get more up top with more setback. Having said that aren't there some people that have these, don't race and are proud of their set up and want to compare with others. Are we so out of the norm sharing our successes with each other and getting together and having some friendly competition. I for one know I have met a number of friends doing just this and have had some of the best times boating I have ever had. I think competition brings everybody to a higher peak. If you do find anybody or group like us out west we would love to know how they are making out. We actually have found a couple with Velocitys, Aaron who is on the list is one. So while some of us are not afraid to share our successes I hope we can find some one with a Nordic who can break through that fear and help us all rise to a higher peak.
Thanks for the info CH

[Omni Present]

Open minds and shared results help us all realize our own personal dreams.......

[JamesGang]

What happened to Docs post. LOL that was good. I came back on here to comment and its gone. Every now and then things just have a way of disappearing around here. Maybe he doesn't want to let any secrets out but I know i read it, about the plastic prop. If he was using a GE Lexan prop up at the lake, what's next a hybrid race boat??

[dnelson964]

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"Prevent people from posting up their top speed, setup, etc (why give away the hours of setup time to your competitors)"


Ok That's it....no more secrets sharing. :p

http://i40.tinypic.com/2my0r53.jpg

All boats run different anyway but I'm not telling I use a Plastic prop. :rolleyes::D

[JohnR]

Sorry Doc, no secrets around here. I snapped a picture of your top secret plastic prop before you used it at the lake:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/atc330r/20130414_154858_zps8644f2a1.jpg

[dnelson964]

Sorry Doc, no secrets around here. I snapped a picture of your top secret plastic prop before you used it at the lake:





http://i41.tinypic.com/2vj2wyq.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/atc330r/20130414_154858_zps8644f2a1.jpgHmmmm... It's hard to be certain.. :p:D...after all there are 4 different models...:confused:

[scawd the dog]

http://i41.tinypic.com/dpddoj.jpg

[Greg G]

I wonder if aaronmt73 is done running his Velocity 220 for the season?

[aaronmt73]

I wonder if aaronmt73 is done running his Velocity 220 for the season?

Nope not done,just need a bigger prop 27 is spinning to high.Im looking for a 28/29 Tempest.We finaly closed on our new house so that's been the priority for me.I have to remodel and do an addition for the wife before we move in.The best part is that its on the lake I do all my prop testing.So next summer all I have to do is go down to my dock and swap props.Im thinking a 27 Txp or 28/29 Tempest should put me higher up on the list even with 3/4 tank of fuel.

[JamesGang]

Congratulations on the house and the good #s Aaron. I know from talking with you in the past you have a cool wife who is down with all the boating BS. Glad you were able to get her the dream house she deserves. Good luck buddy.

[Greg G]

Nope not done, just need a bigger prop. I'm thinking a 27 Txp or 28/29 Tempest should put me higher up on the list.

Congrats on the new waterfront pad. I'll hold off on updating your GPS speed (CrazyHippy take note) on the list given there is evidently more to come and no secrets. That's movin with a cabin!

[Greg G]

Sutphen 21 pad width updated from 1" to accurate 3" ..........

Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 14” pad (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 3" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 83.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 12" pad (Confirmed 95MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH - Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)<o:p</o

[Greg G]

Is this picture the cabin area of the new style Velocity 220 hulls? If it is even more impressive that it can run 83.5mph

[aaronmt73]

Is this picture the cabin area of the new style Velocity 220 hulls? If it is even more impressive that it can run 83.5mph

Greg you haven't updated the speed since I posted the pic of the 84.8.

[Greg G]

Is that your boat's cabin area?

[speedboatjim]

how about a 15' ceebee avenger v-bottom, with a 2.5 drag, 92 mph on super calm day , i set the boat up to drag with every thing down the center, if u dont believe me come on over to mark twain lake in mo anytime im here 5 days a week in the local mercury shop

[vnemous]

how about a 15' ceebee avenger v-bottom, with a 2.5 drag, 92 mph on super calm day , i set the boat up to drag with every thing down the center, if u dont believe me come on over to mark twain lake in mo anytime im here 5 days a week in the local mercury shop
No one has to believe you, this thread is for SOB's. SOB=21-22 foot v hull derivative of George Linders Challenger hull for the topic of this conversation:D

[speedboatjim]

No one has to believe you, this thread is for SOB's. SOB=21-22 foot v hull derivative of George Linders Challenger hull for the topic of this conversation:D

yeah, was on wrong thread,was not in the right church, :o

[Greg G]

At least you admit when you are wrong. And you are inching it up to Top 10 :D

[Greg G]

Greg you haven't updated the speed since I posted the pic of the 84.8.

I thought you were going for more Aaron

[Greg G]

Nico made his own boat in the early 90s, they've been evolving ever since. The current Bernico F2 Extreme model has been around since 2009.

Did not realize that the Bernico SOB 21 has been evolving and improving for two decades

[Greg G]

I'm not sure when Progression designed and introduced there P22 hull to the public but here is a picture of a 1991. Maybe the first one was even earlier.

[steve123]

I'm not sure when Progression designed and introduced there P22 hull to the public but here is a picture of a 1991. Maybe the first one was even earlier.
Hi the first Progression 22 was 1989. Yellow/White.

[Greg G]

Hi the first Progression 22 was 1989. Yellow/White.

I wonder if it was this one? Going up?

[Chummy]

I wonder if it was this one? Going up?

if i remember correct, that one is a 95

[Kcraft]

That is a awesome shot :cool: That has got too hurt the boat somewhere :eek:

[Greg G]

Agreed Kcraft, that is the mark of a large set of onions and a well built boat lol

[berzerko]

I'm not sure when Progression designed and introduced there P22 hull to the public but here is a picture of a 1991. Maybe the first one was even earlier.
in 88 or 89 i remember going to progression with a buddy after the winter boat show at the coliseum, kevin was promoting a new 22 at the show.
I think we went in march or april to the factory, kevin had a 237 in the shop that they cut 6" off the free board and like 15-18" off the transom and were finishing up the new deck to make a mold from
we went for a ride in a red and white kevlar 237 with a 275 on it out of tanner and i remember it was fricken cold ( i believe that boat was for sale recently)
I think kevin was talking 30-35k for a 22 with a merc 200

Funny how some obscure stuff like this i remember but i can't remember what i did this morning... It might have something to do with the fact i had a 20' checkmate at the time that went maybe 50 and to go 75 in that 237 was a blast....
I bought my shadow with the 300 that fall

[Greg G]

A Merc 275, that is reaching back. I wonder if the first 1989 Progression 22 is still around and running.

[steve123]

I bet it still is. I have a 1986 Progression 24 it still looks and runs great. These boats are built to last.

[Greg G]

25 years is impressive for sure :thumbsup:

[RobF]

A Merc 275, that is reaching back.

they seemed to run forever

[Greg G]

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"Prevent people from posting up their top speed, setup, etc (why give away the hours of setup time to your competitors)"


Ok That's it....no more secrets sharing :rolleyes:

That's funny, missed this one.......

[Greg G]

Nope not done, just need a bigger prop 27 is spinning to high. I'm looking for a 28/29 Tempest. I'm thinking a 27 Txp or 28/29 Tempest should put me higher up on the list even with 3/4 tank of fuel.

How many gallons does the 220's gas tank hold? I think gas is 6.5lbs per gallon. Not sure if you got to do any weekend running chasing the bigger # for Christmas.

[Greg G]

I know of 1 or 2 21' superboats that do race the Catalina ski race but they might not be set for fastest speeds. It think one sold last year w/225 merc on it and it was one for the first Supers built I believe. I think the fellow who owned it is around 70 now.

The last Superboat 21 ever built made it out to the West Coast as well. I can't remember the year of the hull but I want to say it was a fly yellow 2003

[JamesGang]

Merry Christmas all you SOBs!! And if anyone takes offense to that than Happy Holidays.

[RobF]

The last Superboat 21 ever built made it out to the West Coast as well. I can't remember the year of the hull but I want to say it was a fly yellow 2003


the last flat deck built is still on Long Island.
How many of those newer ones did they build? 1-2?

The yellow new style was owned by a guy who posts here maybe he will know how many new style were made

[Greg G]

I thought that Coen only built that one "new" style Superboat 21. I believe when it was on LI it had a 250XB. I thought that exact same boat ended up in California with a different motor. I'm not sure if it is still out there or not.

[vnemous]

There is one of the new style down here in Mays Landing. Sits on a lift with a 300xs and a sporty. It is white and the older gentleman that owns it says he has never been able to go faster than 76 in it. I would suspect that is "driver error":D At the time my super with a 250 ran 88. He was confused why his wasn't quicker.

[Greg G]

Maybe he wants to sell it :D

[Omni Present]

Merry Christmas all you SOBs!! And if anyone takes offense to that than Happy Holidays.

I love the JamesGangs sense of humor! Merry Christmas........

[vnemous]

Not a fan of the new deck JMO

[Greg G]

Not a fan of the new deck JMO

I kind of agree but the proper color would go a long way to helping the look IMO. It's a lot of yellow.

[RobF]

thats Bill aka "2.5-21" in the boat, he owned the one that I think ended up on the west coast. The white one in jersey confirms at least 2 OB. I could swear I had seen an I/O one in Aqua Marine a few years ago as well.



I kind of agree but the proper color would go a long way to helping the look IMO. It's a lot of yellow.

[Greg G]

I thought that was the one that they were skiing with out West. It might just be me and yellow boats :D

[Amund]

With the risk of lighting a torch ;)
Phantom 21. I have run my old P21 at 80knots (92mph). 2007 Merc 250xs stock, Bobs 5.5" manual lift and a Razor3 27p worked by Mark Croxton. Spent some time rigging and setting her up to get the there.
As some of the English guys in here know, it's a very capable ruff water boat.

Some pics and youtube.


http://youtu.be/rHfNZ2ywGGo

[Omni Present]

With the risk of lighting a torch ;)
Phantom 21. I have run my old P21 at 80knots (92mph). 2007 Merc 250xs stock, Bobs 5.5" manual lift and a Razor3 27p worked by Mark Croxton. Spent some time rigging and setting her up to get the there.
As some of the English guys in here know, it's a very capable ruff water boat.

Some pics and youtube.


http://youtu.be/rHfNZ2ywGGo

Very impressive! Tack sa mycket adjo.

[mariawhitetrash]

With the risk of lighting a torch ;)
Phantom 21. I have run my old P21 at 80knots (92mph). 2007 Merc 250xs stock, Bobs 5.5" manual lift and a Razor3 27p worked by Mark Croxton. Spent some time rigging and setting her up to get the there.
As some of the English guys in here know, it's a very capable ruff water boat.




Very very impressive speed! I know first hand that they're incredible rough water boats, I've co-driven in a couple of 20s when racing and a 30 year old 21 with a 2.4EFi is the boat to beat in rough water over here!

[Greg G]

With the risk of lighting a torch ;) Phantom 21. I have run my old P21 at 92mph with a 2007 Merc 250xs stock, Bobs 5.5" manual lift and a Razor3 27p worked by Mark Croxton. Spent some time rigging and setting her up to get the there. As some of the English guys in here know, it's a very capable ruff water boat. Some pics and youtube.

Welcome Amund to S+F. Your boat looks great. Amazing that with your first post you not only gave all the set-up details but also posted a GPS speed. Awesome footage. Where is Phantom Boats based out of? Looks like a fairly narrow beam, perhaps less than 7'.

[mariawhitetrash]

Phantom were based in England, but stopped making boats around 10-15 years ago. The later 21s were very lightweight built with Kevlar/aramat, my friend Tom has one and it's stunning. A few people have taken on the official moulds since, but have never managed to produce a boat as good as the originals. They did a 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25 & 28. The 23s are said to be the best SOB, but they're very rare.

[mariawhitetrash]

loads of pictures here

http://boatmad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17235

[Amund]

Thank you for the welcome guys (or girls) :)

Steve Baker designed and built the Phantom boats and they have some pedigree in racing, I don't know much more than that. I believe it's 24 degrees at the transom. My P21 was a -93 if I remember correct. They are in my opinion very good boats when the wind picks up. Got my best results with some fairly high but tight chops, on flat water she would get stuck and the top speed would stop at around 85-86mph.
Tried a lot of different props and fooled around with weight distribution and got it to run good. I recently sold her and now she is cruising Finland's waters, but i thought she deserved to be mentioned in this tread about the fastest SOB hulls :)

Another vid for the one that thinks it's fun :)

http://youtu.be/xn18TZg0Zp8

Tack så mycket, adjö (Thank you very much, goodbye), good Swedish there omni present:)

[Greg G]

Cool Amund, thanks for the post and info!

[Omni Present]

Thank you for the welcome guys (or girls) :)

Steve Baker designed and built the Phantom boats and they have some pedigree in racing, I don't know much more than that. I believe it's 24 degrees at the transom. My P21 was a -93 if I remember correct. They are in my opinion very good boats when the wind picks up. Got my best results with some fairly high but tight chops, on flat water she would get stuck and the top speed would stop at around 85-86mph.
Tried a lot of different props and fooled around with weight distribution and got it to run good. I recently sold her and now she is cruising Finland's waters, but i thought she deserved to be mentioned in this tread about the fastest SOB hulls :)

Another vid for the one that thinks it's fun :)

http://youtu.be/xn18TZg0Zp8

Tack så mycket, adjö (Thank you very much, goodbye), good Swedish there omni present:)

Hey my first girl friend was from a beautiful village in the south of Sweden called Kalmar. I spent many many subsequent vacations roaming that beautiful country of yours great people great country skal!!!!!!!!

[Omni Present]

loads of pictures here

http://boatmad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17235

Well a 21' SOB with a 250 running 90+ I like!!!!!! Question how difficult are theses hulls to come by mariawhitetrash? I really like driver510's.......

[Greg G]

They look like narrow beam, 24 degree wave crushers for sure. Lot of freeboard.

[mariawhitetrash]

Well a 21' SOB with a 250 running 90+ I like!!!!!! Question how difficult are theses hulls to come by mariawhitetrash? I really like driver510's.......

The turquoise 25 with MadEFi 300X? It's for sale at the moment! Belongs to a mate of mine now from a tiny island across the water called Sark. £15,750

The 20s and 21s are quite common, 25s rarer, 23s and 28s are rare as rocking horse ****! The 19s are currently being custom made to a very high standard by Bananashark

[Omni Present]

The turquoise 25 with MadEFi 300X? It's for sale at the moment! Belongs to a mate of mine now from a tiny island across the water called Sark. £15,750

The 20s and 21s are quite common, 25s rarer, 23s and 28s are rare as rocking horse ****! The 19s are currently being custom made to a very high standard by Bananashark

Thanks! Now that looks like a great stir the pot boat!?! That a ETEC and some bravado an someone would definitely become a S&F black sheep in my neck of the woods.......:D

[Greg G]

Too bad they are not built anymore. Maybe Nordic USA can buy the molds for the 23. It would be cool to see a just below 23 footer (fits the SOB list) get built with new materials and bagging techniques and 300XS power. It would have to be faster than 86mph.

[Greg G]

They might give the Bernico 21 Extreme a run for the rough water money but the Bernico has more interior room.

[Greg G]

The bottom designs of the SOB's .......

[Greg G]

Figured out the bigger version .............

http://i43.tinypic.com/2wcod47.jpg

[mariawhitetrash]

Too bad they are not built anymore. Maybe Nordic USA can buy the molds for the 23. It would be cool to see a just below 23 footer (fits the SOB list) get built with new materials and bagging techniques and 300XS power. It would have to be faster than 86mph.

I think the moulds for the 23 were destroyed, not sure though. There is a legal dispute over the 21 moulds at the moment

[Greg G]

Shame on the 23. Interesting that they offered so many lengths in these hulls.

[mariawhitetrash]

Here's a good pic from a race in the Summer, shows the staggered single step design well

288989

[Omni Present]

Here's a good pic from a race in the Summer, shows the staggered single step design well

288989

Beautiful package you've got there Sir! Bernico & ETEC HO solid hull solid power plant makes a guy proud to be a part of the clan at least the power plant side.......

[mariawhitetrash]

Beautiful package you've got there Sir! Bernico & ETEC HO solid hull solid power plant makes a guy proud to be a part of the clan at least the power plant side.......

I've had issues with both actually haha, to be expected though with the pounding it gets! The powerhead has been faultless, saddle and mounts needed a lot of beefing up!

[Omni Present]

I've had issues with both actually haha, to be expected though with the pounding it gets! The powerhead has been faultless, saddle and mounts needed a lot of beefing up!

I've been paying attention I'm replacing my mounts with solid billet ones on my 250 HO's prior to running my new boat. Have to say though my 24 SuperBoat ran flawlessly for 60 hours this summer. Only issue I had was I never got her propped right. What kinda prop are you running?

[mariawhitetrash]

Best all rounder was a 25p Rev 4, thinned and balanced. Never had a chance to try a bow lifting 3 blader on flat water, a raker or chopper would see great top end I reckon. Bronze bushes are well worth doing if you have the saddle apart

[Omni Present]

Best all rounder was a 25p Rev 4, thinned and balanced. Never had a chance to try a bow lifting 3 blader on flat water, a raker or chopper would see great top end I reckon. Bronze bushes are well worth doing if you have the saddle apart

yup happening really don't think there needed for the kind of boating I'm doing but heck enough of you racers are recommending them so better to be safe then sorry.... I mean honestly my boat is a pleasure performance boat it will never see the type of abuse a race boat will see but I see no harm in being cautious. I ran the same prop on mine labbed I was still on the limiter though I'm thinking I'm gonna need to run a 32p I guess time will tell......

[Greg G]

Here's a good pic from a race in the Summer, shows the staggered single step design well

288989

That pic is awesome and gives a great step shot. Innovative for sure.

[Greg G]

Top 10 ..... Top 10 ..... Top 10 :D

[quicklt1]

Obviously a cat hull of some type,
As far as specifics i think it's all about setup and weight so probably a Liberator maybe a lightweight Eliminator
probably after all the 2nd reply is right..^^^^^^

[Greg G]

Christmas #'s under the tree ............

Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 14” pad (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 3" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 84.8MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 12" pad (Confirmed 95MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH - Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)<o:p</o

[Greg G]

The last push for pics of the new 6 ............

[aaronmt73]

I have another prop on the way,I'm not sure its going to be any faster.It's a 28 bravo xs,the 27 tempest was spinning about 400rpms to high.I'm.going to see about borrowing a buddys 28 txp I really think it may put it a bit higher up on the list.I have been busy with the holidays,new house and we just bought a second boat.Not a go fast boat but it'll be perfect for the lake its a Malibu Echelon.

[Greg G]

And some pics of the old school models ............

[THE HOSER]

How about revamping that picture of my boat a little
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ez1mac.jpg

[Trimmed Out15]

A few of the sob boys have been after me to put a confirmed GPS number up on my boat. I'm more of a shower then a talker when it comes to these things but since its the holiday season and I'm feeling very giving, here you go....

2002 21' Intimidator stock 300x Mercury powerhead with 15" mid 97.1 mph

http://i42.tinypic.com/28tgsya.jpg

[Trimmed Out15]

6" pad

[Trimmed Out15]

I'm in for anything

[dnelson964]

A few of the sob boys have been after me to put a confirmed GPS number up on my boat. I'm more of a shower then a talker when it comes to these things but since its the holiday season and I'm feeling very giving, here you go....

2002 21' Intimidator stock 300x Mercury powerhead with 15" mid 97.1 mph



So .1 hmmm.....Gotta love it...:eek::cool:

[berzerko]

I'm in for anything
April 27 or may 4 Jamaica bay

[Trimmed Out15]

April 27 or may 4 Jamaica bay
When it gets closer we will figure out the date

[berzerko]

When it gets closer we will figure out the date
Some guys on here need a lot of advance notice ��

[Trimmed Out15]

Some guys on here need a lot of advance notice ��
Well figure around those dates

[dnelson964]

Question for all those knowledgeable about the 24' Superboats........what is the highest speed a 24' has attained ?? outboard or I/O...

[dnelson964]

April 27 or may 4 Jamaica bay


Oh...I better start looking around for a real motor soon then...:eek::cool:

[goneby]

looks like keith intimidator vs billy hoser would have to run to see who comes out on top. are you guys up for it????????????????
Wouldn't miss that for anything, but I think I saw that once before,will be worth the wait. Hopefully be there with my new ride.

[Trimmed Out15]

Wouldn't miss that for anything, but I think I saw that once before,will be worth the wait. Hopefully be there with my new ride.

Your new ride is more then welcome come early spring, can't wait to see it in action, best of luck!

[vnemous]

Please use this picture when it becomes appropriate:D

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/vnemous/1603dw2_zps1a3f4f7c.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/vnemous/media/1603dw2_zps1a3f4f7c.jpg.html)

[Greg G]

I thought the number on the side would be 97

[vnemous]

I thought the number on the side would be 97

Well it has to be more than that to make the list:D

[Greg G]

There's a list?

[albypine]

Please use this picture when it becomes appropriate:D

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/vnemous/1603dw2_zps1a3f4f7c.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/vnemous/media/1603dw2_zps1a3f4f7c.jpg.html) you look scared ;) have to get Ronald to show you how it's done for picture time :D

[vnemous]

Notice the levelness of my boat and the cowl is still attached:D

[albypine]

That cowl slows the yammies down. Lol skinn it back and head for the moon ;)

[hoser]

A few of the sob boys have been after me to put a confirmed GPS number up on my boat. I'm more of a shower then a talker when it comes to these things but since its the holiday season and I'm feeling very giving, here you go....

2002 21' Intimidator stock 300x Mercury powerhead with 15" mid

http://i42.tinypic.com/28tgsya.jpg
Years ago when herb owed your boat it used to run well over 100

[Trimmed Out15]

Years ago when herb owed your boat it used to run well over 100
Maybe it still does, oh and you forgot the 97.1 in your reply

[dnelson964]

Years ago when herb owed your boat it used to run well over 100


I sorta remember that too........oh boy...can't wait for the next post ...

http://i40.tinypic.com/o8ds02.gif

[Greg G]

86mph set up to ski... no one has ever put half a mile of setback on one, jacked the motor to the moon and run a 30" prop. Take any of these 90mph boats and try to pull a skier up as they sit. Let me know if the skier drowns :leaving:


Stock 300xs? What does the setup look like to make a tuff run 100? 15" setback, 2" above the bottom turning a 32 Bravo or ET?


300xs with a light flywheel and a tuner big power?


The Nordic is pulling skiers into the high 80's. They took one to Tenerife in the Canary Islands, and the boat is as fast as anything out there with a STOCK (and inspected) SOB. Greg G. Stock power, heavy (offshore use) layup is running mid 90's without a skier, but not a MPH optimized setup either. The smaller boat (SR-20) will crack 100 without setup work. It will pull a skier into 3rd on the list setup for semi smooth water. They get run in some nasty slop, and out offshore in the big stuff too. This list is at best a small subset of the boats available. The F2 ski race guys are running boats from around the world looking for any gain. The high $$$ guys will test 4-5 boats and bring one of them out to race.


Actually been out in a SOB recently that is not listed on your "Super 6", available for purchase now, running 93+ 2up, and on the limiter. Good thing the internet SOB authority is around to keep everyone right up to date on things:rolleyes:


I am not connected with Nordic in any way. Been in a few, skied behind a few. I have no special knowledge of how fast they have actually run. I do know for a fact that what you are posting as a fact is an absolute joke. As opposed to posting up a GPS number, take a look at some recent race results.
The Bugatti Veyron is fast, and their owners like to brag about how fast they are. You never hear any F1 teams posting top speed numbers for some reason.


Still no affiliation with Nordic... they are competitors, ill have a beer after the races with them. For some reason they have an issue with their competitors taking a tape measure to their boats. I'm sure you can't grasp that thought though. And I am certainly not chasing 102mph. Speed is irrelevant, I will be out front.


Hey Jim,

With only a few exceptions, the SOB's on the west coast are all raced at least part time. This does 2 things:
1. Prevents people from posting up their top speed, setup, etc (why give away the hours of setup time to your competitors)
2. Generally limits ypur setup. The biggest example is propshaft height. We are limited to even with the pad in the rules. I have 30 pages of setup notes for various setbacks, heights, props, bottom work, etc, none of them are above the pad.

The Nordic boys are competitors. I know how their boat runs because I am next to them.


Hey CrazyHippy, you've had a year, any luck finding a handheld GPS or a tape measure. That's a lot of trash talkin posts above lol :rolleyes:

[Omni Present]

Wouldn't miss that for anything, but I think I saw that once before,will be worth the wait. Hopefully be there with my new ride.

Ahhhhh sounds like a pleasant enough afternoon I'll be there as well in my new ride........

[Omni Present]

Question for all those knowledgeable about the 24' Superboats........what is the highest speed a 24' has attained ?? outboard or I/O...

I owned a 24 SuperBoat for many years initially with a 250efi then with a much more torquey an ultimately faster ETEC 250 HO. In all those years I've heard all manner of rumor a speculation but never a definitive this is the top speed to beat.

[dnelson964]

I owned a 24 SuperBoat for many years initially with a 250efi then with a much more torquey an ultimately faster ETEC 250 HO. In all those years I've heard all manner of rumor a speculation but never a definitive this is the top speed to beat.


Thanks Omni.......seems anything of 80ish is very good for a 24' i suppose.

[vnemous]

Thanks Omni.......seems anything of 80ish is very good for a 24' i suppose.

Gene "Superbash" hasnt been on here in a while but his 24 with a 300x is touted as the fastest documented 24 superboat with a single outboard at 78.4 so if someone has that beat it needs to be told to Coen.

[Greg G]

The regular 23 kryptonite is a real 23+ footer...my boat has 8-10 inches cut out of the top of the hull and the lower portion of the deck and then its molded together with no shoebox joint and no rub rail....that cutting down part took away almost a foot of nose on the boat way above the waterline....you have to see the standard 23 krypto next to mine to really realize how much different mine really is.....


23 degrees with one step and a pad .....i will take a picture of it tomorrow, oh yeah and Superbender your figures are off a lil....i was spinning 6400 thru 1:62s with a 25 tempest at 79.9......and that was out of the box the only prop and setup i ever really tried...Kirks personal 23 went 85 with a 300x with him and I in the boat....

How wide is the pad on the Kryptonite 23/22 ?

[Omni Present]

Gene "Superbash" hasnt been on here in a while but his 24 with a 300x is touted as the fastest documented 24 superboat with a single outboard at 78.4 so if someone has that beat it needs to be told to Coen.

I with my 250efi and a labbed rev 4 never got passed 66mph. With my first prop which escapes me got the 24 SuperBoat with the ETEC 250HO into the 74 to 75 mph range on several occasions by myself on fumes always on the limiter really needed a bigger wheel never got her propped right with 3/4 of a tank two three people she would run 67 to 70 mph depending on conditions.

[vnemous]

Superbash's was a step hull also.
http://www.superboatonline.com/images/24/barabash/airborn_frontPage1.jpg

[Greg G]

Hands down the Tuff 21 is the fastest single engine fee bottom.

Ok RBT, so after 2,051 posts and enough views to put it into the Top 10 Views in the history of S+F within one year, you were absolutely right back in Post 5. Carnac The Magnificent.

[hoser]

Maybe it still does, oh and you forgot the 97.1 in your reply
Waz that mean

[Greg G]

21-24ft, what is the fastest with a single outboard???


No cats just vee bottoms. APBA used to have a SOB class that specified vee bottom single OB 21-24ft. Looking for something in that range


Run the Long Island sound, so looking for something that would run decent in some slop

Original pot stirring poster. 3 posts and out lol

[hoser]

Please use this picture when it becomes appropriate:D

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/vnemous/1603dw2_zps1a3f4f7c.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/vnemous/media/1603dw2_zps1a3f4f7c.jpg.html)
Boat looks good for a 18 footer

[DoktorC]

Gene "Superbash" hasnt been on here in a while but his 24 with a 300x is touted as the fastest documented 24 superboat with a single outboard at 78.4 so if someone has that beat it needs to be told to Coen.

The previous owner of Mitchie's 24 soup bowl ran 77mph with a stock 300hpdi. It was on fumes and in some big chop. I think Bash's was a 300pm no?

[Omni Present]

Superbash's was a step hull also.
http://www.superboatonline.com/images/24/barabash/airborn_frontPage1.jpg

I spoke with Coen about the step vs non step personally he told me "your a idiot if you swap your boat for a step the performance difference is minimal at best". Me I have run with a few non steps never a step hull an honestly I've never been past by another 24 although I feel confident there are many who will swear there's is was faster. I guess time will demonstrate the truth in this statement.........

[DoktorC]

Omni, Mitchie's boat is a non step

[Omni Present]

Omni, Mitchie's boat is a non step

at 77mph he had me, although if propped correctly to keep it off the limiters were the ETEC supposedly makes her best speed I wouldn't be surprised to see those kind of numbers, but I never got that far to busy running what I had to be honest. I must say if your running in truly choppy back bay conditions hands down the 24' SuperBoat is unstoppable in the 20' to 24' vee bottom class. I tell ya an most say I pushed my 24' SuperBoat pretty hard. I take mine out in some serious water from many many Plum Gut CT runs to multiple Block Island Montauk Point lunch an brunch dinner runs and I can't name a drier faster boat in that class including the 24 progression that I'd run with the same confidence in those types of conditions. IMO

[Greg G]

The small version ...........

[Greg G]

And the large ............

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ca45z.jpg

[vnemous]

Boat looks good for a 18 footer

Your right Billy LOL

[vnemous]

The previous owner of Mitchie's 24 soup bowl ran 77mph with a stock 300hpdi. It was on fumes and in some big chop. I think Bash's was a 300pm no?

No it was an X.

[dnelson964]

at 77mph he had me, although if propped correctly to keep it off the limiters were the ETEC supposedly makes her best speed I wouldn't be surprised to see those kind of numbers, but I never got that far to busy running what I had to be honest. I must say if your running in truly choppy back bay conditions hands down the 24' SuperBoat is unstoppable in the 20' to 24' vee bottom class. I tell ya an most say I pushed my 24' SuperBoat pretty hard. I take mine out in some serious water from many many Plum Gut CT runs to multiple Block Island Montauk Point lunch an brunch dinner runs and I can't name a drier faster boat in that class including the 24 progression that I'd run with the same confidence in those types of conditions. IMO


You have run in some big s..t there Omni and I have been those same places but the 21' had no choose but to go slow over 3'. I think the extra weight and deeper vee which makes the 24' such a wave crusher will run fastest w/ a big HP I/O and then it can run a little over 80.

[Omni Present]

You have run in some big s..t there Omni and I have been those same places but the 21' had no choose but to go slow over 3'. I think the extra weight and deeper vee which makes the 24' such a wave crusher will run fastest w/ a big HP I/O and then it can run a little over 80.

quite possibly Doc never ridden in one I guess SuperBoat Steve would probably be best to answer IO 24' SuperBoat questions. An yes Doc I've run in big water with you through the gut an honestly in thoughs conditions I'd gladly run the 24' SuperBoat I guess I'm just a fan of high side walls in big converging water...........

[quicklt1]

My 24 io banana was incredible in rough water I guess the 24 super is similar...the lower center of gravity makes a big difference ...

[Greg G]

Gee, You know what.....we might just have to take Vnemous out of contention as he may well be under the SOB (bottom) length requirement. :rolleyes:;)

Bottoms don't matter, only tip to tail. That is except for Nordic and CH :smiletest:

[steve123]

Hi i had a Banana 24 0/B with 1982 300 Mercury. Black Hull & Deck. Great rough water boat. It was the show boat at the Newport R.I. Boat Show.

[quicklt1]

Really big for 24'boats, supposedly one I had was in ny boat show..lol

[aaronmt73]

What is everyone running for there go fast prop?Ive run quite a few and the 27 tempest has been the fastest so far,but was not enough pitch so I sold it.Ive run a 25p txp with the same result not enough pitch.I like the idea of the Yamaha t1 but wonder if the diameter of 15 1/8 is borderline to much.Ive wondered about the Yamaha 27m there a bit thinner blade and prone to cracking a bit more but there the same diameter as the tempest.I personally think everyone sharing there experience with different props will help everyone as a whole.

[Mitchie]

What is everyone running for there go fast prop?Ive run quite a few and the 27 tempest has been the fastest so far,but was not enough pitch so I sold it.Ive run a 25p txp with the same result not enough pitch.I like the idea of the Yamaha t1 but wonder if the diameter of 15 1/8 is borderline to much.Ive wondered about the Yamaha 27m there a bit thinner blade and prone to cracking a bit more but there the same diameter as the tempest.I personally think everyone sharing there experience with different props will help everyone as a whole.

Everyone including myself that I have talked to has trouble getting over 5600rpm with the 27 m1.
The t1 seems to me like the hot ticket.

[quicklt1]

chopper style?

[mariawhitetrash]

Prop choice is totally dependant on hull, weight and set up. What works great for one boat may suck on another, even if the hull is the same design. Best advice I've been given is to try stock, unworked props, find a good baseline and then have it worked to suit by a decent prop guy. I had big gains in rpm, speed and handling by having a Rev4 reduced in diameter slightly and blueprinted/thinned. If I'd tried an already modified Rev4 it may have not been suited to my boat and I'd have assumed the Rev4 wouldn't be any good

[berzerko]

want to be the fastest who going to step up?
289466

TUFF 21 2005
Customer moving to TUFF 21 I/O
TUFF bracket
Detwiler lift
Yamaha 300 HPDI
No Trailer

[berzerko]

Hold on there cowboy, where exactly is that rodeo located?

sorry should of posted the link
maybe the canadian boys will chime in

http://www.tuffmarine.com/inventory.htm

[dnelson964]

Gene "Superbash" hasnt been on here in a while but his 24 with a 300x is touted as the fastest documented 24 superboat with a single outboard at 78.4 so if someone has that beat it needs to be told to Coen.


There is a 24' super with a 300 HPDI in Canada that runs 77 with a T1 27 so that sounds excellent then for a Yami....

[DoktorC]

There is a 24' super with a 300 HPDI in Canada that runs 77 with a T1 27 so that sounds excellent then for a Yami....

That's Mitchie's boat doc...

[dnelson964]

That's Mitchie's boat doc...


Yes Mitchie's 24' super runs nice Dok....I have a T1 27 that pushes the Challenger to 85. If I ever get a 24' outboard that seems like the prop to run.

PS. And we finally got about a foot of snow here over night !

Some NY boy should negotiate on that Red/white 21' Tuff and get er' down here...

[Omni Present]

Yes Mitchie's 24' super runs nice Dok....I have a T1 27 that pushes the Challenger to 85. If I ever get a 24' outboard that seems like the prop to run.

PS. And we finally got about a foot of snow here over night !

Some NY boy should negotiate on that Red/white 21' Tuff and get er' down here...

that sounds like a sweet combo Yamaha and a 24'SuperBoat quick reliable I LIKE! Doc you gotta convince one of the Yammie Clan to get that Tuff match it with a SHO an shut the game down!!!!!!!

[THE HOSER]

that sounds like a sweet combo Yamaha and a 24'SuperBoat quick reliable I LIKE! Doc you gotta convince one of the Yammie Clan to get that Tuff match it with a SHO an shut the game down!!!!!!!

NOT

Performance
• 102mph with Mercury 300x
• 87mph with Evinrude 225HO
• 92mph with Yamaha 300

[Omni Present]

NOT

Performance
• 102mph with Mercury 300x
• 87mph with Evinrude 225HO
• 92mph with Yamaha 300


Funny the the following is what the owner of Tuff had to say about Yamaha SHO an the ETEC 250 HO. Obviously you know more about Tuff boats an motors then him......

[THE HOSER]

Hey don't shoot the Messenger
I got that off hes website
http://www.tuffmarine.com/Boat_Pages/TUFF_21_2.htm

[DoktorC]

Hey don't shoot the Messenger
I got that off hes website
http://www.tuffmarine.com/Boat_Pages/TUFF_21_2.htm

He didn't take into consideration the Bender Stage 34 kit...beautiful water to air intercooler in that package :). The real game changer...

[JUPITER PULSARE]

And the large ............

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ca45z.jpg

You're missing Wildman's 2013 Pulsare 2100/300XS at 98.2 mph gps!!