Fastest SOB hull???

[berzerko]

I'm lightening and strengthening things up as we speak.... Not that I'm going to go any faster, just won't brake ! Haha
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i405/Beachcabinet/challenger/f5b530168a9cfc34754b19b208719adf.jpg

[Greg G]

This is the heaviest Tuff 21 ever built. I believe it was hull 001 built in 2002. Nothing but weight loss each year since.

[dnelson964]

I'm lightening and strengthening things up as we speak.... Not that I'm going to go any faster, just won't brake ! Haha



Sure Bobby....I smell a total light weight materials rebuild in the making... you can't fool me. :cool::D

[Jamescole]

Sure Bobby....I smell a total light weight materials rebuild in the making... you can't fool me. :cool::D

its about 9 hours too far south east.....

[dnelson964]

This is the heaviest Tuff 21 ever built. I believe it was hull 001 built in 2002. Nothing but weight loss each year since.

Good spy Greg,... but I believe that was the old Canadian Challenger boat used for testing modifications that led up to the performance enhancements now incorporated into all the present 21' Tuff hulls.

[RobF]

GPS or one on one- I got $100 for the winner. 21/22 SOB V-bottom
anyone else in?

pay it to you, charity, S&F, the pizza girl, whatever

[THE HOSER]

isn't the Intimidator the fastest boat

[87starflite]

GPS or one on one- I got $100 for the winner. 21/22 SOB V-bottom
anyone else in?

pay it to you, charity, S&F, the pizza girl, whatever
Notice how he didnt say strippers, lap dances or alcohol.... He knows you guys too well lol

[mikeylarge]

GPS or one on one- I got $100 for the winner. 21/22 SOB V-bottom
anyone else in?

pay it to you, charity, S&F, the pizza girl, whatever
I will add another $100 to that because it will be entertaining listening to the excuses afterwards

[Mitchie]

Good spy Greg,... but I believe that was the old Canadian Challenger boat used for testing modifications that led up to the performance enhancements now incorporated into all the present 21' Tuff hulls.

Thats actually the Scorpion(Challenger splash) that I mentioned earlier. I wish I had bought it. It went WAY TOO cheap in my eyes.

[TooStroked]

I keep sticking a fork in this thread, but it refuses to die. I may have to try a bigger implement.

[albypine]

I will add another $100 to that because it will be entertaining listening to the excuses afterwards
Is this going down at the romp ? If so I might be in for 100 :D well worth the entertainment ;)

[mikeylarge]

Is this going down at the romp ? If so I might be in for 100 :D well worth the entertainment ;)
I know I wont win so I figure might as well raise the prize money to make it more entertaining lol

[87starflite]

Ill deffinately win, i have the top secret prop.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee275/ebatson88/BE564C0D-1B60-4829-9574-8D877A4A12E2-2852-00000125AF8898CC.jpg

[Greg G]

does anyone know rigged weight of tuff with merc on it. that red one is sick i want it how about more pics.

Do you mean this red Tuff gm? I think this was the only picture. I thought it was a 2013 show boat and not sure if it ever was fully rigged and weighed with a 300XS.

[Superbender]

Wait does this mean no one wants to water ski to the dam?
Nice prop Eric,is that the new variable pitch prop depending on load and rpm

[albypine]

We get a big enough prize pot to gather maybe a few kangaroo chasers will come ski behind our boats :D

[donmac]

Do you mean this red Tuff gm? I think this was the only picture. I thought it was a 2013 show boat and not sure if it ever was fully rigged and weighed with a 300XS.It was at the Toronto boat show!pics. don't do it justice!awesome boat!I was at the torc. racing booth for 2 days and that's the only boat I hunted down to get a look at!

[Mitchie]

We get a big enough prize pot to gather maybe a few kangaroo chasers will come ski behind our boats :D

LOL. I am looking for a volunteer for this summer... Double up a couple of ski ropes and see if I can yank up a skier with a 32 cleaver set up for top speed. I am confident I can.

[RobF]

that yellow prop matches a certain P22

[albypine]

LOL. I am looking for a volunteer for this summer... Double up a couple of ski ropes and see if I can yank up a skier with a 32 cleaver set up for top speed. I am confident I can.
Only way someone would be able to ski behind a fast sob is if they first practice trying to rollerblade behind a pissed off full grown kangaroo with a 5 foot rope :D not picking on the Aussies , but that's how they had to learn and must have been kicked in the head a few times ,because no one in there rite mind would even ride in my boat let alone try to ski behind it ;)

[JohnR]

I was thinking tie a ski rope to the wall, put a set of roller blades on, then try to stand up while someone sprays you from 10 feet away with a fire hose.

[Greg G]

that think is awsome to look at what does any 21 tuff weigh in at rigged

Here you go gm. Looks like there is a used Tuff 21 for sale .................

SPEED BOAT TUFF 21 WINTER BLOW OUT SALE

BOAT MOTOR AND TRAILER.COME AND GET IT.LIST $72,000 NOW WITH 140HOURS MINT SHAPE $39900.00 boat has every option wind screen,sport hatch. boat seating 2 with hatch 5 with out hatch,32 inch prop,jack plate, tilt trim and gas pedal on the floor.great cottage or go fast boat.

Location: Toronto

[baja200merk]

You need to get the hammer and trailer ball out before you run that yellow prop. Put a little cup in her and call it labbed :D

[JohnR]

I think the yellow one needs a little massaging with the heat gun first.

[87starflite]

I dont want to lab it, afraid it might sling a blade

[Jamescole]

any pics greg thanks

that ads from 2011 it sold im pretty sure....

[Superbender]

Its almost time boys hehehe

[vnemous]

Time for what?

[Jamescole]

to settle the fastest SOB....

[vnemous]

When and where is that gonna take place?

[87starflite]

We already know superbender is the fastest on the water

[vnemous]

We already know superbender is the fastest on the water

Yeah so whats to settle?

[Superbender]

All I'm sayin is its time to run our junk,winter banter will be over officially in 2 weeks.

[vnemous]

All I'm sayin is its time to run our junk,winter banter will be over officially in 2 weeks.

Thank God. I was running out of rotten things to say that I dont really mean:D

[Superbender]

I know Mike its all good,maybe you could remove that horrible and offensive calvin logo.hehe.I like it btw.

[vnemous]

No way I had that made special just for you:D

[87starflite]

I know Mike its all good,maybe you could remove that horrible and offensive calvin logo.hehe.I like it btw.
We going to be handing them out at the romp as parting gifts when

[dnelson964]

We going to be handing them out at the romp as parting gifts when

I'ld be careful what type logo you wear/sport or "Seatow" (Yamaha) owner's might just pass up your tow as a non-freindly. On Second thought we might just raise the rates a few multiples to cover new race hatches and such. :reddevil::D

[vnemous]

Freedom of Speech

[Greg G]

I keep sticking a fork in this thread, but it refuses to die. I may have to try a bigger implement.

Maybe try a Brock hammer! This thread won't die until Nordic SOB's hit 100MPH with a stock 300XS like the Tuff 21. They certainly keep tryin.

[Jamescole]

Maybe try a Brock hammer! This thread won't die until Nordic SOB's hit 100MPH with a stock 300XS like the Tuff 21. They certainly keep tryin.


the Nordic is ugly.....

[TooStroked]

But in a Bernico sort of way!

[Jamescole]

But in a Bernico sort of way!


you hit the nail on the head... both of them are just horrible.

[fast fun 2]

Maybe try a Brock hammer! This thread won't die until Nordic SOB's hit 100MPH with a stock 300XS like the Tuff 21. They certainly keep tryin.
TAKE THE ****ING HINT....Actually, HINTS....There multiple examples.

[lowerghut]

hey thats not true i have a 95 progression 22 and i thas a notched transom gonna take pic for u to see.

[whipper]

Love the Tuff also but its pretty much the same size as my GS that is WAY faster in every way:] Pretty sure the GS has a larger cockpit then the tuff also. The tuff is 5 inches longer and 4 inches wider they both have a very deep Vee. The Tuff is 20.8 length, Grand Sport at 20.3ft will do over 100 with a 225 and 110 with a 300 promax. 103-106 with a 260. Not sure the Tuff can even be clasified as a 21ft boat not being 21ft in leagth? If your talking TRUE 21fters-24 so hulls must be 21ft long or over to qualify or the Allisons most being over 20ft as the Tuff would be the very clear winners on the this argument. Popcorn anyone.:reddevil:

[Mitchie]

Love the Tuff also but its pretty much the same size as my GS that is WAY faster in every way:] Pretty sure the GS has a larger cockpit then the tuff also. The tuff is 5 inches longer and 4 inches wider they both have a very deep Vee. The Tuff is 20.8 length, Grand Sport at 20.3ft will do over 100 with a 225 and 110 with a 300 promax. 103-106 with a 260. Not sure the Tuff can even be clasified as a 21ft boat not being 21ft in leagth? If your talking TRUE 21fters-24 so hulls must be 21ft long or over to qualify or the Allisons most being over 20ft as the Tuff would be the very clear winners on the this argument. Popcorn anyone.:reddevil:

There is no comparison between your GS and these boats. Just because your boat survived some rough water... Does not make it a rough water boat. Your GS would break in the water these boats run in. Obviously you have never tied your boat up beside a SOB... They are double the size of a GS. Not to mention the fact that Challenger type boats don't hook. :)

[stokernick]

There is no comparison between your GS and these boats. Just because your boat survived some rough water... Does not make it a rough water boat. Your GS would break in the water these boats run in. Obviously you have never tied your boat up beside a SOB... They are double the size of a GS. Not to mention the fact that Challenger type boats don't hook. :)

not so sure about your last statement, depends on who's driving them!!

[Mitchie]

not so sure about your last statement, depends on who's driving them!!
That's true... But my point was that some boats don't discriminate.. lol.

I can't believe that my statement bothered you more than the ridiculousness of the post I was responding too... lol.

[Donat]

Not the best pic to compere but... 21 sob is half bigger then 21 checkmate and twice the ally in this pic

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd495/Donatk77/null_zps53c523c4.jpg

[Mitchie]

Not the best pic to compere but... 21 sob is half bigger then 21 checkmate and twice the ally in this pic



http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd495/Donatk77/null_zps53c523c4.jpg

Exactly... The comparison is laughable. I tied my Triad 21 to james cole's Challenger 21 at a restaurant a couple of weeks ago and the Challenger dwarfs it. Not to mention the fact that the Challenger is smooth in water that my Triad will only "survive" in... I have run beside lots of GS's and by the looks of things they don't handle snot any better than my boat. But I do have almost 15mph on James with roughly the same power.

[whipper]

Not the best pic to compere but... 21 sob is half bigger then 21 checkmate and twice the ally in this pic

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd495/Donatk77/null_zps53c523c4.jpg


That Little red Allison is a SS not a Grand Sport first off. The Grand Sport I was saying is the same size {pretty Much} as the Tuff 21 not a 21ft Superboat or Progrestion. The SS is a little 4 seat rocket much smaller than the larger 5 seat Grand sport. The SS does 120mph. The GS would be more in the size range of the Checkmate beside her that the guys are looking at beside the SS. The thread is fastest SOB 21-24. Not what boat handels the rough water better. Again that has a lot to do with driver also. Hook? Whats that:]

[Mitchie]

That Little red Allison is a SS not a Grand Sport first off. The Grand Sport I was saying is the same size {pretty Much} as the Tuff 21 not a 21ft Superboat or Progrestion. The SS is a little 4 seat rocket much smaller than the larger 5 seat Grand sport. The SS does 120mph. The GS would be more in the size range of the Checkmate beside her that the guys are looking at beside the SS. The thread is fastest SOB 21-24. Not what boat handels the rough water better. Again that has a lot to do with driver also. Hook? Whats that:]

You have been making this comparison for years. By your logic.. If it's just 5 seat v hulls with a single outboard..... Then the Triad wins. Chummy has been 117mph with three in the boat. S.O.B. references an old offshore racing class if I am not mistaken.. And neither your boat or my boat would last 30 seconds in that class. Please do not reference the mythical 23 foot Allison. You would understand this better if you rode in or even saw one of the many boats that have been mentioned in the thread.

[Donat]

Ally is a great boat for sure but never seen one on Lake Michigan... :D

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd495/Donatk77/DSC00440.jpg

[whipper]

Ally is a great boat for sure but never seen one on Lake Michigan... :D


See the water you posted looks like great Allison GS conditions to me I boat in water that looks like that and more all the time. Your missing my whole point. In my first post I was saying that the tuff is being touted as the fastest 21-24ft SOB boat. But the Tuff is not even 21ft in leangth. This is not a comparisen Im making to ROUGH water boats simply saying that the GS is only 5 inches shorter that the 20.8ft Tuff. The GS is 20.3ft. So at what point of the LOA do you say a boat is a 21 or a 20fter!!! Gezzz

Im saying that theres no way a Tuff is faster than an Allison in that 20-21ft range that the Tuff is in. http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o168/forkincrazy/Boats/Allisons/allison20air.jpg http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/JamesWatson3.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/JamesWatson3.jpg.html) http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/eba17c66-4c44-4521-b342-d12e820c09c9_zps32347331.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/eba17c66-4c44-4521-b342-d12e820c09c9_zps32347331.jpg.html)

[Mitchie]

You're missing MY point. S.O.B. is a reference to an offshore race class... 21ft is irrelevant. These boats are HUUUGE compared to your Allison... You need to do better than just showing a picture of somebody launching an Allison in water that it was never meant to run in. And once again.. By your Logic, the Triad is the fastest 21ft 5 seater V boat.. Not a GS. If now your argument changes to any 21ft boat. Then I guess your beloved Allisons would have that covered. You might run in big water in your Grandsport.. But it does not handle it like any of the aforementioned ones. PERIOD.

[tux974]

Looks to me like the co-pilot in that A727 is praying....:D

[whipper]

OK OK OK I love the Superboat, Callanger and the aforementioned hulls alot also dont get me wrong.If money was no object a twin SHO Tuff28 would be sitting in my garage. No doubt the SV Triads are super fast also love those hulls alot. I thought the SOB was refering to Single out board {SOB} not the off shore racing class of hulls as you mention. My bad. The pic was only showing that even the smaller SS has raced off shore. Ill be it looking faily wild of a ride!! OMG!! 21-24ft SOB race class of boats is what the thread should have referd to. I didnt even consider the GS a 21 anyway. Its a 20ft. But since the Tuff was being mentioned thats not a 21 I figured the GS was fair game at over 20 like the Tuff. Am I an Allison lover:] Yep guilty. They do what they do very well and works for what Im looking for in a boat. Everyone will have there own personal veiw of what works for them. Experiance off Shore on the Ocean as a Comercial Fisherman has tought me that its not the size of the boat that matters in the rough water thats for sure!! Theres water that could sink a tanker that a PWC could have fun in as an example. Its personal choise what rides the waves the way you need a boat to ride.

[Mitchie]

I can agree with that. :)

[Mitchie]

It's been one of those days at work too.. So I have ZERO patience.. lol.

[whipper]

It's been one of those days at work too.. So I have ZERO patience.. lol.


I was being contrivertial I know. Sorry for that. BTW i LOVE JamesColes Challanger big time with the H-Tec Yammi. Looks sick as heck!! You boat with those guys?

[Jamescole]

yep Mitchie comes around a few times a year. i was boating with him a couple of weeks ago....

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m533/OneCycle/DSC_0629.jpg (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/OneCycle/media/DSC_0629.jpg.html)

[specboatops]

James Cole' boat is friggin SICK !!!! :thumbsup::cheers:

[aaronmt73]

I remember the day I brought our Grandsport home and parked it next to our 21 Checkmate starflight,The checkmate absolutely dwarfed the Allison.The Gs went through water far better then youd think for its size,howver you are gonna get wet at some point.I don't think the Gs belongs in this group of 21ftrs personaly.Our Velocity is a larger boat then our checkmate and that was FAR bigger then the Ally.The Gs is a great boats but when they do have there limits.

[whipper]

Aron ya more just a 20fter than 21 for sure. Fun as all heck though. Theres days i wish I was in a 24ft thats for sure!

[Chummy]

we comparing lengths again? LOL

[Mitchie]

we comparing lengths again? LOL

Let me fluff mine up a bit first .. It's been cold up here.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!

[FishingBen]

Ummm... I could outrun the boats being compared in rough water in my XB21. Just sayin...

[mariawhitetrash]

Ummm... I could outrun the boats being compared in rough water in my XB21. Just sayin...

What's 'rough'?

[dnelson964]

yep Mitchie comes around a few times a year. i was boating with him a couple of weeks ago....

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m533/OneCycle/DSC_0629.jpg (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/OneCycle/media/DSC_0629.jpg.html)

Awesome to see the size difference up close of the 21' Challenger, and the Triad 21'. Both great boats....depending on the waters you run in.

[Greg G]

That cover looks very cool James. What does it weigh again?

[Mitchie]

http://i50.tinypic.com/34rx2ea.jpg


Ummm... I could outrun the boats being compared in rough water in my XB21. Just sayin...

No...

[xb03fs]

Ben,

I wonder if they realize how much larger a xb21 is than a Grandsprort, based on going from a xb2003 to a xb21, it is a foot wider, 1.5 feet longer and deeper...a Grandsport would fit inside one, at 1450 lbs they are not a lighwieght either.

[Jamescole]

Ben,

I wonder if they realize how much larger a xb21 is than a Grandsprort, based on going from a xb2003 to a xb21, it is a foot wider, 1.5 feet longer and deeper...a Grandsport would fit inside one, at 1450 lbs they are not a lighwieght either.

sounds like you could quite possibly could handle some waves. Not at Jamescole type speeds though.

[Mitchie]

What's 'rough'?
Throw up some pics/video of the stuff you guys are racing in. I'm not doubting the Allison would get home... But it would not be winning and there would be some sore backs and likely some cracked decks. I think I am bowing out of this debate though. It's silly.

[xb03fs]

I don't have enough motor..only a 200.Can only run 81...someone with more motor would have to step up. I can run WOT in small white caps 12" waves or less and in 2 foot waves I prefer to run no more than 70ish but I am new to the bigger boat, only been out twice so far. I do know I still have slow down considerably for barge wakes, especially the ones going up river and wakboard boats pulling surfers and wakeboards or it will leave the water.

[Chummy]

Gulp gulp.. Drink some Allison Kool aid guys and the answer becomes clear lmfao! :D

[DoktorC]

I do know I still have slow down considerably for barge wakes, especially the ones going up river and wakboard boats pulling surfers and wakeboards or it will leave the water.

There is your difference...SOB's crush wakes and survive...

[xb03fs]

So a SOB can run WOT over barge rollers that are eye level at rest? If it is buttery smooth that is impressive. The allison will survive it but it is jarring.. I have hit them at 70+ in the 2003 before and gotten airborn...I have not tried and have no intentions of hitting them at those speeds even in the new boat if I have the chance to slow down.....on the Mississippi when they are are going up river you hit the rollers long before you see the barge.. when the tugs are pushing 9 or 12 barges up river they really kick up some water

[mariawhitetrash]

I'll put some pics and video up later of our last race... No wakes cos there was nobody else out, but plenty of airtime and some nice splits in my outboard well!!

[DoktorC]

So a SOB can run WOT over barge rollers that are eye level at rest? or know? If so that is impressive. The allison will do it but it is jarring.. I have hit them at 70+ in the 2003 before and gotten airborn....on the Missippi when they are are going up river you hit the rollers long before you see the barge..

One boat is designed for fishing...the other for racing offshore. Stop drinking your livewell water and get your head in the game :). These are two COMPLETELY different boats. My boat will beat up on an Alliston in the rough but it doesn't compare to a Tuff when keeping the speed up in the junk...

[dnelson964]

I don't have enough motor..only a 200.Can only run 81...someone with more motor would have to step up. I can run WOT in small white caps 12" waves or less and in 2 foot waves I prefer to run no more than 70ish but I am new to the bigger boat, only been out twice so far. I do know I still have slow down considerably for barge wakes, especially the ones going up river and wakboard boats pulling surfers and wakeboards or it will leave the water.

Our SOB style boats weigh in rigged around 2100-2600lbs, 21 degree deep pad vee (at least) and run over wake water waves with no second thoughts holding between 69-90 mph. SOB class was made to run ocean and large bay waters which get very choppy and 2' might be considered average to small waves more often then not. We actually go faster with more chop/junk then not.

[vnemous]

People often exaggerate the size of the water they run in:D

[DoktorC]

People often exaggerate the size of the water they run in:D

Often after catching an 8.5lb small mouth bass.....just sayin'....:)

[mariawhitetrash]

Our SOB style boats weigh in rigged around 2100-2600lbs, 21 degree deep pad vee (at least) and run over wake water waves with no second thoughts holding wide open 80-90 mph. SOB class was made to run ocean and large bay waters which get very choppy and 2' would be considered average to small waves more often then not. We actually go faster with more chop/junk then not.

You wouldn't run 80-90 in what we race in, last weekend we had Bobby Saccenti's new 42ft Chief with a pair of 725 ilmors over endurance racing, and they weren't running that! Fastest average speed for our racing this season had been 71.3mph, that's over his 3 quickest laps of a 4 mile circuit, and it's a 26ft cat with twin 260s. The 20-23ft single 200hp boats average below 65mph, and there's at least one capable of 80+ top end in race trim

[DoktorC]

You wouldn't run 80-90 in what we race in, last weekend we had Bobby Saccenti's new 42ft Chief with a pair of 725 ilmors over endurance racing, and they weren't running that! Fastest average speed for our racing this season had been 71.3mph, that's over his 3 quickest laps of a 4 mile circuit, and it's a 26ft cat with twin 260s. The 20-23ft single 200hp boats average below 65mph, and there's at least one capable of 80+ top end in race trim

And how do you figure an Allison XB, Triad V21 or STV SRV would fair in those conditions....not so good I imagine lol.

[Mitchie]

Regardless... Lake boats are not gonna do it. I can run my boat in the white cap type water you are referring too at pretty big speeds.. But I know I don't like the feeling of being air borne in my lake boat... Especially the landing.. lol. Dok's boat is built WAY stronger than mine, or any Allison for that matter. but runs fairly similar.

[xb03fs]

Just curious, never been around the ocean don't know what ocean boats are supposed to do....Best riding boat I ave been in is an LCB cat that ate up some rough water but even that boat had a point where it didn't like the bigger waves. Will a SOB outride an LCB? or 21 Skater?

[dnelson964]

People often exaggerate the size of the water they run in:D


Hope you can make the next run Mike the Merc boys were over run. :D

[vnemous]

So I hear. I am just minutes away from break in. I will be at the next run to represent. Dying to get a close look at ericks 200

[vnemous]

Races in Atlantic City this sunday just sayin. We have about 5 or 6 sobs racing in class 7 there is even an ox66 in the pack:D

[Chummy]

Just curious, never been around the ocean don't know what ocean boats are supposed to do....Best riding boat I ave been in is an LCB cat that ate up some rough water but even that boat had a point where it didn't like the bigger waves. Will a SOB outride an LCB? or 21 Skater?

That would be a good question for Brent, I know he has ran with some of those boats.

[dnelson964]

Just curious, never been around the ocean don't know what ocean boats are supposed to do....Best riding boat I ave been in is an LCB cat that ate up some rough water but even that boat had a point where it didn't like the bigger waves. Will a SOB outride an LCB? or 21 Skater?

Bigger and heavier SOB's with deepvee's tend to 'slice' and power through larger waves with better control. I was going 80's 2 weekends ago, Lake boating and just after filming another SOB running thru .75"-1.2' junk I came upon some angled waves maybe a bit worse (happens more often then not), went bow up and saw the sky briefly, the other boat (Mikeylarge) said he could see the floor of my boat before I came back down. My SOB landed back down like it landed onto a soft pillow, I still had full control and continued on like nothing happened. That's how an SOB handles things.

See what you missed Mike...LOL. :cool::thumbsup::)

[xb03fs]

They have a pretty deep long keel. I think the point it goes from smooth the slamming is the sponsons that run to the front to provide stability for fishing and and keep you dry start in rough water tend to trap water instead of letting it expell once waves reach a point. The boat goes from extremely good to not so good with not a lot in between. Generally speaking if it launches evenly bow and stern together fairly soft landing, if you let the nose come up and the stern stays down it slams..again I think it is due to the way the sponsons trap water...
http://www.allisonboats.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/XB21-BasSport-2plus2-from-front.png

[mariawhitetrash]

Here's some pictures from our race last weekend

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p206x206/966365_202811743201604_1288086777_o.jpg
He landed safely and won our class :D

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/945523_202809269868518_832276290_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/983976_10151637536919726_1508422696_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942003_10151624658721358_168232390_n.jpg
This one's a 25 footer running twin 200xs

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970203_10151624661136358_1241875732_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1014754_10152893942270076_807991689_o.jpg

And here's a video of the start run and first lap from onboard

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/n-4qkydB0KQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

We had a poor start but found a nice rhythm as the race went on

[xb03fs]

I would not be feared of the condistions in that video at all.I would take that over barge and cruisser stuff any day....I hope those are not considered SOB conditions...Looked like a farily rough ride as well. That would be conditions I would feel comfortable around 65-70ish faster if not worrying about the other boat wakes..maybe the waves don't show through in the video I could be wrong. they look what I would conside 12" -18" stuff

[mariawhitetrash]

I would not be feared of the condistions in that video at all.....I hope those are not considered SOB conditions...Looked like a farily rough ride as well. That would be conditions I would feel comfortable around 65-70ish

Nice edit. No you wouldn't feel comfortable at 70ish, not even the V24s which are made for those conditions are 'comfortable' at 70. If you could run 70 in those conditions then why havent Allisons dominated offshore racing for 30 years like the Phantoms running in my class? Of course it was a rough ride, it was rough water!

That was with a GoPro with a wide angle lens from right in front of my screen, I can assure you there were much bigger holes than 18"!!

[mariawhitetrash]

Don't forget we're not just running in the chop generated by the wind (which was force 5 on the beaufort scale) but we also have ocean swells and fast running tide, which when it's against the wind makes for awful conditions.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/983976_10151637536919726_1508422696_n.jpg

that photo was taken from 30ft up on the sea wall, and look at how low in the trough of a wave the white boat is... A bit more than 18"!

[xb03fs]

I will assume water conditions don't translate to video well. Because the video didn't look bad

[mariawhitetrash]

I will assume water conditions don't translate to video well. Because the video didn't look bad

My back says otherwise ;)

Horses for courses I think is the saying that applies here, I'd love to have a massive lake and 90+mph boats to play in!

[xb03fs]

I prefer rivers..on rivers you can hold em WOT for miles

I don't have any rough water videos, I have one I can share but it is pretty darn smooth and only with my ski prop so it is not fast upper 60's with too much trim to get there

[Mitchie]

Once the Koolaid is consumed... The hold is very strong. Look at the swell in Mariah's last picture..!!!! You can hardly see the back of the white boats with twins!!!! Any Allison/Triad/SRV would be launched in the air and most of them broken while trying to run 70ish in that. Good Grief. How fast will and A-boat run in these white caps? http://i46.tinypic.com/ei446g.jpg

[whipper]

once the koolaid is consumed... The hold is very strong. Look at the swell in mariah's last picture..!!!! You can hardly see the back of the white boats with twins!!!! Any allison/triad/srv would be launched in the air and most of them broken while trying to run 70ish in that. Good grief. How fast will and a-boat run in these white caps? http://i46.tinypic.com/ei446g.jpg


101 :d

[Mitchie]

101 :d

:) Our boats might get home in that crap... But they would be cracked and we would be wet. I took this picture across the road from my house. I have run over 100mph in this exact location though.

[whipper]

Your picks waves look like FUN!!! These are more the condition it starts to get boarder line. In the sec pic you can even see my Transom:] In waves like this 60 is about it with the motor down deep trim slightly in for wave jumping. 3-4fters Been in 6-7fters that wasnt much fun sorta. Had to run inbetween the waves cross angle. Hop over into the next trough and surf the span for hours since i was an Hour off shore.http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/DSCF9963.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/DSCF9963.jpg.html) http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/40389_456766821634_559686634_6101774_7065683_n-1.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/40389_456766821634_559686634_6101774_7065683_n-1.jpg.html) http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/40936_1567103063728_1419985873_31512713_1358574_n-1.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/40936_1567103063728_1419985873_31512713_1358574_n-1.jpg.html)

[xb03fs]

That picture is what I was expecting to see in the video...running hard in that would be impressive. Those conditions are pretty rare on an inland lake.....but to answer, just on plane and run parrell as much as possible and tack back and forth. Crashing though them repeatedly would be the wrong solution....my next statey would be to tuck behind a big 25-30 foot cruiser and let him break them for me...I do know when to say when..

Are these waves possible to run 80 in s SOB? Beacuase thats what I was expecting to see.



Once the Koolaid is consumed... The hold is very strong. Look at the swell in Mariah's last picture..!!!! You can hardly see the back of the white boats with twins!!!! Any Allison/Triad/SRV would be launched in the air and most of them broken while trying to run 70ish in that. Good Grief. How fast will and A-boat run in these white caps? http://i46.tinypic.com/ei446g.jpg

[whipper]

:) Our boats might get home in that crap... But they would be cracked and we would be wet. I took this picture across the road from my house. I have run over 100mph in this exact location though.


Looks real nasty for sure. Be a blast on a wave runner though:] I think most of us Allison guys like the smoother water so we can rip. But its surprising how fast in moderade waves they can still go. As youve said theres no dening a heavier hull has the advantage in confused seas. it has to be pretty bad for me not to go out. But thats just me. Ive been in 30-40fters before and thought i was going to die. Said my hail marys and prepared for the end surfing down those hudge waves with a boat with only a rudder is no fun at all then being picked up and having the wealhouse door get smashed open from the top of the wave behind you isnt a good feeling. But i lived. I used make a point of going out in the nasties water I can just to say I could. But i respect the limitations of my allison and dont normaly try and beat it in the 4+_fters. Ive been out in them and had my glasses broken speering a wave {my Falt} but ussually just try and get back to port unscathed. My next boat will be bigger because I really miss wave jumping in the trully nasty slop like you SOB,s do:]

[xb03fs]

I think they think all of the Allisons are shallow flatbottoms and built like tater chips like the drags, ss, and 2002's....the 2003's and xb21's are very differnt boats with very different hulls and very different layup schedules.

[mariawhitetrash]

No SOB will be running 80 in stuff like the pic Mitchie posted. Also, there's a huge difference between hitting a speed briefly when mucking about with your mates, and holding a consistent speed for a 40+ mile race. I've never broken anything on my boat when testing, and that's when we've seen our best speeds! I always break something in a race situation though... My deck moulding around the engine well is split to hell, I'll get some pics up in a minute! We'll make it stronger though just like we've done with all the the stuff that's broken in the past! :D

[mariawhitetrash]

Although this boat was only 19ft the driver was the best of the best... Shows how quickly things can get bad!

http://youtu.be/RaNiug4vHD8

[Mitchie]

Your picks waves look like FUN!!! These are more the condition it starts to get boarder line. In the sec pic you can even see my Transom:] In waves like this 60 is about it with the motor down deep trim slightly in for wave jumping. 3-4fters Been in 6-7fters that wasnt much fun sorta. Had to run inbetween the waves cross angle. Hop over into the next trough and surf the span for hours since i was an Hour off shore.http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/DSCF9963.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/DSCF9963.jpg.html) http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/40389_456766821634_559686634_6101774_7065683_n-1.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/40389_456766821634_559686634_6101774_7065683_n-1.jpg.html) http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/whipperr/40936_1567103063728_1419985873_31512713_1358574_n-1.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/whipperr/media/40936_1567103063728_1419985873_31512713_1358574_n-1.jpg.html)
That's just windchop. lol. Only a 35 + offshore is gonna run 80mph in the picture I posted... That water was moving fast and scarey. 60mph in any Allison in whipper's second picture would be playing with fire... No way it could be done for extended periods.... It would beat the crap out of you and the boat and getting ready for a trip every wave set. If you guys are actually doing this.. Then you are VERY unwise.

[Greg G]

This thread's topic at the start was the fastest SOB hull (21'-24') in perfect conditions that could also eat up rough water when the conditions turned nasty.

The many 24' options got knocked out very early as they are not capable of the speeds that the 21's and 22's can generate with stock power. Anyone knows that some days you get conditions that would allow a Tuff 21 to break 100mph, and the next day you are out in 3 and 4 foot rollers that will take the (6) boats highlighted in this thread down to 60 or less. What pictures and video can't depict is the spacing of the swells, there varied height, and the added white caps crests depending on how the wind might be swirling at any given point in the day. The (6) boats that came to the top of this thread have from 18 degrees to 24 degrees of transom deadrise angle and a much steeper entry angle at the bow to keep you dry and still running with reasonable safety in rough water. Add to that the freeboard that each of the (6) carry in different heights as compared to the lake boats. I have never driven an Allison but I'd like to know the transom deadrise, bow entry deadrise, and freeboard of the model being highlighted as compared to the (6) boats in the thread. Having owned 2 Superboat 21's and piloted them routinely between Stamford CT, through NYC lower harbor and up the Hudson for lunch as Westpoint, I can't see any of the lake boats ever making that round trip unless the conditions were guaranteed to be calm for the entire 12 hour day. The (6) boats in this thread would not have to worry at all about a significant change in conditions, they are all equipped to handle most anything that a small hi-po boat can.

[whipper]

The GS im pretty sure is, bow entry is 22-24deg and the stern is 20. Dont quote me on that but pretty sure. They are made for a smooth ride in rough water. 1000 lb hull give or take 50# All kevlar reenforced. No wood...anywear. Transoms are designed to carry 3 times rated horse power with SS plate infused in the transome with kevlar. There very tough boats. Maybe not as tough as a Progresstion but for Boat 20-21ft very tough.

[JohnR]

I don't think its a question of how tough an Allison is, its about using the right tool for the job. Can you drive in a nail with a ratchet? Sure, but it'll be lots easier to do it with a hammer. All are fine boats and well made. If I wanted to tear the local lake up I think an Allison would be my choice because it will deliver more mph/hp. If I want to crush waves on LI Sound a Super/Challenger/Activator/Progression would be my choice.

John

[Greg G]

I agree 100% whipper they are awesome, and I believe they hold the top speed record for a shallow V hull in the flats at 125+ with stock power if I'm not mistaken. That just was not the topic of this thread.

[dnelson964]

>>>>>>>Bass Boat Crash - YouTube (http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7t0gz79RaXkAySlXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0dXBvbXM2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0FDQlkwM185M A--/SIG=1200jmvsf/EXP=1371553696/**http%3a//www.youtube.com/watch%3fv=1UEETjztLqI)



The above video is all that is needed to see how an actual Bass Boat handles waves. Enough said !

[aeneas]

Why not try one of the old Swedish Offshore 3C monohulls like the HotShot 21, Frodé 21 or Bass 21 and stick a Merc 2.5ros on the transom. They raced in the 2litre class (Mercury XR2) but would fare well with a 280 also they can take a h*ll of a beating and still go fast.

See the HotShot 21/Merc XR2 testing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yrfBo9NV20

Also there is the Manne Ockerfeldt B-23 Batboat... Built for rough conditions.

[whipper]

The Force 21ft is also a cabable SOB wih a 300 on her. My vote would have to be for a 22ft Progression though. Im pretty sure they could go the fastest in the roughest.;)

[vnemous]

Progression HA

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/vnemous/20130609_153404_zps70e12254.jpeg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/vnemous/media/20130609_153404_zps70e12254.jpeg.html)

[Chummy]

Goog looking boat

[vnemous]

Ran it this weekend, still in break in but it should be out soon.

[dnelson964]

I noticed not much talk about 22 activator why fast boat great rough water ability

Not many Activators running these days but I agree a great rough water boat, very forgiving, comfortable and great handling. Worth finding and restoring an older one.

[RobF]

I sold John's progression, look for its new owner out there but give him a little space he is new to the boat.
Joe is selling his restored yellow Activator if anyone is interested, lots of money invested in it and Joe is beyond anal with his boat.

[RobF]

didnt mean for this to turn into a for sale ad, I dont have pictures of the boat all together but its sitting here still under shrink wrap turn key ready to go.
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?223958-22-Activator/page2

[whipper]

didnt mean for this to turn into a for sale ad, I dont have pictures of the boat all together but its sitting here still under shrink wrap turn key ready to go.
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?223958-22-Activator/page2


SICK Activator love the color of course:] Im sure its ok to post that hear as long as you give Scream and flyers a good discount at Raybo :thumbsup::smiletest:

[anglerssales]

Get a fast cat is the best for the money278281278282

[David]

The picture of the Challenger beside the Triad tells me that length isn't everything
Triad 21'3", beam 82"
GS 20'3", beam 88"
Challenger, 20'8", beam 91

My SS is 20'2" but only 18'9" down the centerline, beam 86", has more deadrise than the Challenger (and yes it's carried forward). It won't handle big water like a real SOB

[Greg G]

Agree. True wetted running surface and freeboard also play a role.

[vnemous]

Check out the South Jersey SOB Atlantic City race, you will see some of the 21-24 footers running in the atlantic last sunday.

[vnemous]

I really like the Allison's but this is the water we boat in. Im not sure they are up to it:D

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/vnemous/dvepg_zpsde084935.jpg (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/vnemous/media/dvepg_zpsde084935.jpg.html)

[Chummy]

The picture of the Challenger beside the Triad tells me that length isn't everything
Triad 21'3", beam 82"
GS 20'3", beam 88"
Challenger, 20'8", beam 91

My SS is 20'2" but only 18'9" down the centerline, beam 86", has more deadrise than the Challenger (and yes it's carried forward). It won't handle big water like a real SOB

The 21'3" on the Triad is centerline, what is the centerline on the Grandsport?

[mymerc2.5]

i have a v hull but it looks like two tunnels are cut down it one on each side is this still a v hull or a tri hull or what is it called ? i have a few pics on here now but just of the back

[David]

GS is 20' centerline http://www.allisonboats.com/content/sport-boats/xs-2003-grandsport/

[Chummy]

19' centerline and 20' overall

[Greg G]

125 Pages right around the corner ........... :rolleyes:


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long,7’7”Beam 22 degree (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3”Beam unknown (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant)(550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam 24 degree variable (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam 20 degree variable (88MPH Driver Unknown)(525I/O with heavy layup ran 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam 18 degree (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 hull weight-unknown – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam 22 degree deadrise (80.8MPH Driver Unknown)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)

[Jamescole]

125 Pages right around the corner ........... :rolleyes:


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long,7’7”Beam 22 degree (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3”Beam unknown (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant)(550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam 24 degree variable (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam 20 degree variable (88MPH Driver Unknown)(525I/O with heavy layup ran 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam 18 degree (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 hull weight-unknown – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam 22 degree deadrise (80.8MPH Driver Unknown)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)

Thanks for that breakdown Greg ! its cool to see the comparisons..

[aaronmt73]

125 Pages right around the corner ........... :rolleyes:


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long,7’7”Beam 22 degree (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3”Beam unknown (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant)(550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam 24 degree variable (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam 20 degree variable (88MPH Driver Unknown)(525I/O with heavy layup ran 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam 18 degree (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 hull weight-unknown – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam 22 degree deadrise (80.8MPH Driver Unknown)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)
Very cool list...although not entirely accurate.I've seen a newer 300xs Velocity go a 83.5

[limitless]

Hi Greg,
Finally got around to doing this!
Roger

[Greg G]

Velocity 220 movin on up............

Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - deadrise unknown (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + no pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (82.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)

[Greg G]

Hi Greg, finally got around to doing this! Roger

Keep up the good work Roger!

[limitless]

Good to see aaron on the list for the title.
Keeping us owners proud.

[aaronmt73]

Good to see aaron on the list for the title.
Keeping us owners proud.

Thanks Limitless,I think the boat will go faster but to do so it would lose some of it drivability.Im at 10" of set back and im running a torquemaster.I still use more positive trim then id like to get the big number.The problem is going to 12" will make it faster in my opinion but it will lose rough water handling as well and be ever so close to blowout speed or surpass it of the tqmaster.

[whipper]

Wow I cant believe how light that 21 Tuff is!! Cool! Aaron your fast with your 22 Velocity because you can drive an Allison.:D

Nice list !!great to see the numbers like this. Someone should compile a list off the hulls we know of on S&F. Weights power and speeds from Venoms to twin 28 skaters. That would be quite the list!!

Good job Roger.:thumbsup:

[limitless]

Good job Roger.:thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

Whipper the list is Greg G's work not mine.
I think he was referring to me finally subscribing to this thread.....lol!

Roger

[whipper]

Good job Roger.:thumbsup:

Whipper the list is Greg G's work not mine.
I think he was referring to me finally subscribing to this thread.....lol!

Roger[/QUOTE]

Oh my bad. Then great work Greg G.:thumbsup:

Im sure you would do great work also Roger:D

[Greg G]

Some pics of the old school boats below..........Superboat, Velocity, Challenger, Intimidator and Activator


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - deadrise unknown (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 82.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)

[limitless]

Great pics.
Cool to put boats together with names.

[Greg G]

This weather sucks so much it's time for a bump and some builders banter .............



Lighter is "always" better. Light by leaving stuff out is probably the right thing for owning a boat -- less stuff to buy, less stuff to carry around, less stuff to break, ...
Light through construction is another good approach.
First, any boat built with polyester should be avoided. Stress cracks, osmotic blisters, and they rapidly structurally deteriorate (they keep looking shiny, but they get very flexible). Way too heavy, brittle, weak, and short lived, send directly to the land fill.
Second, any boat that is not cored is simply too heavy, flexy, and therefore slow to be considered a performance boat.
If its cored, it simply has to be vacuum bagged. There is no other way to get a decent bond between the laminate and the core.
So the absolute basic for an acceptable performance boar is cored (generally foam or balsa), vacuum bagged, and vinyl ester resin.
A significant step up is to use knitted material instead of woven roving and mat. The knitted material is really multiple layers of unidirectional with some very light stitching to hold the layers together as the boat is being built.
Now, let's say you actually want a better boat: lighter, stiffer, and therefore faster.
Vacuum infusion may in some cases be an improvement over hand-laid construction. However, one-off builders around the world have repeatedly found that squeegees in the hands of skilled workers yield a much lighter boat! But most people spreading resin in a mold are not highly skilled, and they leave way too much resin in there, because it looks better. The more resin, the weaker the structure! So given the typical low skilled resin spreader work force, infusion will lead to a lighter boat.
The real step up is to use wet-preg epoxy, where the resin is forced into the cloth between rollers. This yields resin contents closer to the optimum (very low) numbers to get the stiffest, strongest, lightest structure. Epoxy needs to be cooked in an oven, usually about 200 degrees for boats. The oven is just a big room with heaters, fans, and insulation. When the boat is in the oven, its still being vacuum-bagged. This is what Outerlimits does. See the thread on "birth of a race boat."
Next better comes pre-preg. This is like wet-preg, but the pressures are higher so the resin content can be lower.
Pretty much the best in the boat building industry is to combine pre-preg with special films specifically designed for the type of core material. This last level causes a dramatic improvement in laminate to core bonding, with a dramatic decrease in weight due to not needing the heavy goop otherwise required between the core and laminate.
The absolute best is to use pre-pregs and film in an autoclave. An autoclave is an oven where the pressure in increased. This means the vacuum bag is being pressed much harder against the laminate, squashing the layers together more firmly. Very few boats are built in autoclaves: America's cup, some multihull sailboats, that's pretty much it. But this is how aerospace structures are built.

[No Love]

Long Island sound is where I run daily specifically the eastern end an would highly recommend the 24 SuperBoat or the 24 Progression. Anything smaller an you should marry a chiropractor.......

[87starflite]

Im all for lightweight conposites, vinylester and epoxies resin but how are polyester boats short lived? Well built poly boats from the 60's are stick around and kicking so tell me how this makes any sense?

[whipper]

No E-techs running on these boats? Or do they just not create the wot speeds as the other motors? I thought a tuff with a 250sho ran 100 no? I would have thought the 250HO would run faster than the yammy 250 Hpdi or SHO?

[Jamescole]

No E-techs running on these boats? Or do they just not create the wot speeds as the other motors? I thought a tuff with a 250sho ran 100 no? I would have thought the 250HO would run faster than the yammy 250 Hpdi or SHO?


i do believe there is a OMC on one no clue what motor... but i do know its slower than your GS if it had a 9.9 on it.

[Greg G]

It is interesting that there are no E-TEC motors in the line up below ...........


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - deadrise unknown (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 82.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)

[whipper]

The reason I thought about this is there are some Hydros running well into the 100+ mark. So the tuff,Bernco,and Progression are very light hulls. All lighter than my GS for instance. So I cant see why a 250HO or 300 couldn't bust 100? Maybe seeings since it wasn't until 2010 that the better motor became available and not to many running them yet? There 270hp I believe in the 250HO form.

[JohnR]

Assuming it's a stock 300 (pretty sure it is) the Pulsare that Randy rigged is the fastest 21'ish SOB:

http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?272905-21-Checkmate-Pulsare-104-on-GPS!!!

[dnelson964]

Assuming it's a stock 300 (pretty sure it is) the Pulsare that Randy rigged is the fastest 21'ish SOB:

http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?272905-21-Checkmate-Pulsare-104-on-GPS!!!


SOB boats all have at least a 21 degree deep vee....I believe the Checkmate Pulsare has less and is more of a pleasure boat.

[hoser]

104 is a real big number
id like to see it blow by me to be leave it

[vnemous]

104 is a real big number
id like to see it blow by me to be leave it

Ruh Roh Shaggy:D

[Greg G]

Can you even buy a Pulsare 21 new? I kind of lost site if Checkmate is out of business.

[JUPITER PULSARE]

if they were to compare the pulsare with 300xs at 104 look at mikelarges p22 with 300xs at middle 80s why is there such a large difference. I would think difference in vee , weight, both motors are 100% stock I think. any other input would be good what does the pulsare weight a p22 is around 2200 rigged no gas.

The Pulsare is about 1375lbs, 19 degree deadrise with about a 6" pad.

[Greg G]

The Pulsare is about 1375lbs, 19 degree deadrise with about a 6" pad.

What is the height on a Pulsare 21 from water chine to rub rail at the drivers bucket?

[2.5-21]

You say boats 1-6 are all available for purchase in current model year? do you have contact info for any of them? Does Tuff have a website? Is Regal still building Velocitys? Would like to see what a Bernico looks like.


It is interesting that there are no E-TEC motors in the line up below ...........


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - deadrise unknown (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 82.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)

[Greg G]

:thumbsup: Get a few cups of coffee and start at post 1 and you'll quickly see that the answer is YES to all your questions 2.5 21. Ohh, don't make any plans that day either, you're gonna be a while.

[mariawhitetrash]

Finally got round to measuring the deadrise of my Bernico, as accurately as I could with the angle finder on my iPhone...

Its 24 degrees at the transom between the outermost spray rail and chine, the pad is around 12-13 degrees. The deadrise at the bow step is around 26-27 degrees as far as I could tell.

probably worth pointing out too that the 103.02mph of my hull is a two way average over a measured km, not a GPS peak. For the sake of the table though the 98.1mph with stock 300xs is still the one that counts obviously

[Greg G]

Bernico updated with 24 degree V .........

Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - deadrise 24 degree (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 82.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)

[Greg G]

The Pulsare is about 1375lbs, 19 degree deadrise with about a 6" pad.

It will be interesting to see what the freeboard height is on the Pulsare 21.

[whipper]

It will be interesting to see what the freeboard height is on the Pulsare 21.

http://www.checkmatepowerboats.net/Checkmate-Power-Boats-Pulsare-2100.html

[David]

Tuff web site: http://www.tuffmarine.com/

not SOBs but both the inventory boats look like a lot of fun, very different rides

[hoser]

im with you billy are you coming with us on the 29 would be nice to hang with you
What happen to Freeport ?

[JohnR]

Can you even buy a Pulsare 21 new? I kind of lost site if Checkmate is out of business.

Hustler bought them and they are building boats again.

[THE HOSER]

Hustler bought them and they are building boats again.
That's like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire

[Greg G]

Into the Top 12 of all time.........

[Bjorn08]

HI guys,

Wanted to share with you something from a little promising Malta island in Europe, who might eventually compete with these speeds in the near future.
currently two of these boats are running between 88 -95 MPH one way GPS speed
284557.284555284556
Enjoy the pics

[mariawhitetrash]

What size Phantom is that last one splashed from Bjorn08?

[Greg G]

Dual steps, deep V, high freeboard and what looks like a narrow beam. What make is that? Can I buy one? Looks awesome.

[mariawhitetrash]

Dual steps, deep V, high freeboard and what looks like a narrow beam. What make is that? Can I buy one? Looks awesome.

It's a Chaudron Gregg, which is a modified splash of an English Phantom. I'm guessing that one is based on the 21, but maybe possibly from the rarer 23. The steps must've been added to the mould as genuine Phantoms were never available with steps. There's been dozens of copies of Phantom designs over the years, because they are absolutely fantastic boats.

My mate Tom races one of the last genuine Phantoms in our series, very light build with aramat and Kevlar, it's a stunning boat and very quick with a 2.5 200. They're still the benchmark for unstepped conventional V hulls in rough water.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/179736_10152978317100160_2040641463_n.jpg

[mariawhitetrash]

http://boatmad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17235&highlight=favourite+phantom

[Greg G]

Bernico updated with pad width of 14” .........

Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 14” pad (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 82.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)<o:p></o>

[Jamescole]

Bernico updated with pad width of 13” .........

Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 13” pad (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 82.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)<o:p></o>

13" pad is as good as cheating....

[mariawhitetrash]

Where did you get 13" from?

[baja200merk]

21 checkmate is still faster with the old lady and snap in carpet hahaha

[mariawhitetrash]

Just measured my pad, it's 14"! :D Not flat though, as I said earlier it's at around 13 degree deadrise

[Bjorn08]

Hi,

Its a Chaduron 22 feet here is there website,
http://www.chaudronpowerboats.com/
it's not very up to date lately they changed most of the models by adding twin step

[whipper]

Hi,

Its a Chaduron 22 feet here is there website,
http://www.chaudronpowerboats.com/
it's not very up to date lately they changed most of the models by adding twin step

Looks just like a Sutphen hull. Nice looking also. Hear a pic of the Sutphen top and Chaudron bottom. http://www.sutphen.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/P1010123.jpg http://292fc373eb1b8428f75b-7f75e5eb51943043279413a54aaa858a.r38.cf3.rackcdn.com/sport_01_temp-1337670052-4fbb39a4-620x348.jpg

[Bjorn08]

whipper that looks very close with the sutphen hull,
they also make a 25 feet model with steps equipped with a Verado 350 it does 90MPH with no engine setback
Very ideal for rougher water.

284687

[whipper]

whipper that looks very close with the sutphen hull,
they also make a 25 feet model with steps equipped with a Verado 350 it does 90MPH with no engine setback
Very ideal for rougher water.

284687

Yes I saw these on there web site I really like the little longer models like the 25 with twins!!! Its nice to see those lengths of 23-25ft vees. They can have more possibilities in handling higher power options and even better rough water rides. Very cool looking boats for sure. The looks of the Sutphen never really caught my eye. I like the wind Screen shape and stern section better on these Chaudrons . I also like the way they swept up the bow a little more to help her from stuffing.:cheers: Steffon {sp} on hear has a 350 Verado on his hull 25ft I think/ He really like that motor. Thats the nice thing about the little larger hulls these big powerfull new motors are made for them!! 90 with a single on a 25fter is very good!
Allison is coming out with a 23ft model of my hull pretty soon 2014 hopefully. :rolleyes: She has been in the proto type stage for 6-8 years now and has had some pretty inpressive speeds with low power so far. 87 with a stock 225 with a 27 trophy was the last up date. That will be another real contender in speed with these hulls and as with all Allisons should LOOK really sweet also. Even my 20.3ft Grand Sport boat not SOB has a 22deg deadrise and handles lake chop with ease. Theres only 22inches of free board from the chine to the top cap but good for lakes. Theres a lot more free board on the 23fter and very beamy also. There seems to be a real insurgents of this size hull again in the last year. I hope it continues and outboard makers keep coming up with lighter more powerful engine options as they have.

i would love to see a 350 Verado on a 24 Progression. Ill bet that hull could see 90+ with that engine also?

[Bjorn08]

Very interesting this Alison your mentioning sounds very interesting very good speeds also.
yes the 25 chaudron could be equipped with to mercury 280's and would still be well balanced and go to speeds over a 100mph
But fuel here in Europe is very expensive so the 300 xs or 350 Verado would make more sense.

[Bjorn08]

this is me Second time ever trying to get used to steps on a very short hull on the black boat, full of fuel and anchor and rope etc.
Had also a problem with the plugs they have been replaced in well over 2 years.
It's a very fun boat to drive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfXotgWJUN4

[Greg G]

They also make a 25 feet model with steps equipped with a Verado 350 it does 90MPH with no engine setback. Very ideal for rougher water.
Does Chaudron make a true 23 footer? There are a lot of 24 and 25 foot options but 23 is an unusual length in a rough water SOB.

[Greg G]

Man it looks like there is a ton of freeboard on this Chaudron 22 .........................

[whipper]

Bjorn that was awesome!! I see your still washing the decals of the side a little yet eh. {Side to side}:D Thats OK I was there before also. Its a real skill to drive a fast Vee bottom thats for sure. Throw in some little rollers and it changes even more. Keep driving like that and youll be straight as an arrow in most conditions soon if not already. I see that was 3 months ago.
Looks awesome VERY responsive with the 300xs on there. I would say pretty much free revving like a 2.5 the hull must be light? Looks very very nice. Do you have some pics of the profile on a trailer or in the water of yours with maybe some inside pics I would love to see her? The seating look nice. Your boating area makes me jealous! I like!!

[Bjorn08]

Hi Whipper,
As I explained earlier it was like my 2-3 rd time driving a short hull with twin steps.
Compared with my previous boat this requires no trim since it lift's it's self more naturally.
As you can see in that vedio I was going side to side because my trim was to negative that is why its going side to side.
after a lot of trial and error I managed to fin the sweet spot motor heght and trim which is perfectly neutral and the boat handles much better very very stable.
But it took me over 4 times to get used to this, apart from that there was an increase in speed 88Mph and when the sea is good and am allowed to trim slightly postie il hit the 90+

As for the boating area here it is very rare to be that good In Malta you have to be very lucky and go out early morning.
I love this boat for perfect conditions but now I'll be going with the 25 feet one since it is slightly better for rougher seas.

[whipper]

Thanks nice!! I was only kidding about the chine walking thing.:cheers: As an allison owner we joke about that since our pad is so small there's a big learning curve. Washing decals I always thought was a funny way of saying it.;)

[Bjorn08]

Haha !:) Cheers, I understand... My friend a member of here owns the other boat the Red with black and Ferrari Badges.. He custom build it also adding a pad which seems to be very stable and also does speeds likewise the balck chaudron and even more since its more extremely build check out his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDbGyZduvJw

[dnelson964]

Haha !:) Cheers, I understand... My friend a member of here owns the other boat the Red with black and Ferrari Badges.. He custom build it also adding a pad which seems to be very stable and also does speeds likewise the balck chaudron and even more since its more extremely build check out his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDbGyZduvJw



Cool video..Thanks for sharing. Looks similar to waters I run on a GOOD day.

Interesting to note you run a lighter boat that is very Narrow 6'3" with a wide pad (14") and shallow deep rise (13 degree) compared to our boats.

[Bjorn08]

yes the speedcraft are very narrow compared to the chaudron. When comparing the length of the speedcraft 22 model vs the 22 chaudron there is a slight difference where speedcraft bottom area in length is longer meaning its nearly a full 22' where as the chaudron is around 18' in length

[bep078]

Another good run we had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o96CgZ1EJPk

These kind of seas only come once in a blue moon for us in Malta. Since we are a small island in the middle of the Mediterranean sea, we get bombarded by strong winds from pretty much every direction. Both boats have a 21 degree deadrise which is a must for our seas. And we cannot afford to use so much setback either considering we go boating every weekend in summer even in 4-5 foot swells.

[dnelson964]

Say...that black hull boat looks like it might be a 'bad ass' runner.

[Chummy]

Hi Whipper,
As I explained earlier it was like my 2-3 rd time driving a short hull with twin steps.
Compared with my previous boat this requires no trim since it lift's it's self more naturally.
As you can see in that vedio I was going side to side because my trim was to negative that is why its going side to side.
after a lot of trial and error I managed to fin the sweet spot motor heght and trim which is perfectly neutral and the boat handles much better very very stable.
But it took me over 4 times to get used to this, apart from that there was an increase in speed 88Mph and when the sea is good and am allowed to trim slightly postie il hit the 90+

As for the boating area here it is very rare to be that good In Malta you have to be very lucky and go out early morning.
I love this boat for perfect conditions but now I'll be going with the 25 feet one since it is slightly better for rougher seas.

Check out the water in the 3rd picture!!! So clear it looks like the boats are hovering

[Greg G]

That water clarity is pretty amazing. That Chaudron 22 with the double step is progressive. Looks like it runs limited setback with that 300XS.

[Greg G]

How fast is that Chaudron 22 with 300XS versus the SOB rough water boats below?


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 14” pad (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 82.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)<O:p></O>

[aaronmt73]

Greg G here is the speed it was actually 83.5..Hopefully it will be changing in the next week or so.285556

[Bjorn08]

Hi Greg G,

Tha chaudron 22 step hull best till now was 96 MPH I could attach picture of speed where as the other boat we mentioned the speedcraft did over a 100 MPH a few days ago which is impressive enjoy the video. put it in high res and make the screen big in order to see the digital speedo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzhrEA1Qobo&feature=youtu.be

enjoy :)

[bep078]

Another vid of the Red speedcraft giving everything she's got! I was crapping my pants at this speed to be honest. I got the feeling that I wasn't in full control of the boat. I guess you guys know what I'm on about..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1yvcDtuQrQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1yvcDtuQrQ)

[mariawhitetrash]

Very cool, looks like she got a bit loose around 90mph but driven well!

I'm re-rigging my boat with a 115HO E-Tec for next year, as I'm going to race the UIM World Championships which will hopefully be in my home waters next September! Hoping for low-mid 60s top end, but it will certainly handle loads better in rough water. In theory I should still be at the same race pace, if not better than the 200HO in rough water. I was hoping to get mine to Lake Coniston in England next month for the flying Kilo 'Records Week' event, but after stuffing it badly and splitting the hull/deck joint down one side racing in the summer that won't be happening, simply don't have time to repair it.

Records week is a brilliant event which I've followed for years (although never been), and is on the same stretch of water where Donald Campbell lost his life. Everything from kids boats with 15hp motors, right up to Unlimited Hydros, F1 tunnels and Ilmor powered offshore endurance racers simply trying to go as fast as they can over a measured kilometer, with full UIM ratified timing gear.

[bep078]

Thanks!

When does this event take place? And what is needed in order to take part? Yes I get your point on the 115 HO. I was thinking of putting a 200XS 15" Gen 2 which would make her handle much better in the rough. The 3 liters tend to have a lot of weight and torque and requires a lot of finesse when driving in the rough stuff!

[mariawhitetrash]

http://www.conistonpowerboatrecords.co.uk

It takes place every November. You need to have a racing licence from a UIM affiliated association, do you have a race series in Malta? Your boat will need to pass scrutineering in race spec for whatever class you chose to run in, if you want to run for a UIM World Record you need to have a top 3 finish in a World or European championship race I believe...

Your boats would be able to run for the Outright Immersed Prop Outboard Mono record I think, which my hull currently has (set in 2009) with a 103.02 2 way average over the Kilo... You'd give that a good run for it's money judging by that video ;)

[mariawhitetrash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WBggHZaWCk

Never get bored of this video! Bob (the guy in the video that I bought my boat from) is lending me one of his smaller Bernicos with a 115 Yamaha to go for a record this year (not sure which one yet), can't wait!

[Greg G]

Greg G here is the speed of my Velocity 220. It was actually 83.5. Hopefully it will be changing in the next week or so.

As the say, every mph counts. 83.5mph achievement noted below aaronmt73! Is the pad width on your Velocity 12" wide at the transom?


Fastest SOB Hulls Available For Purchase New In 2013....All Boats Powered with a stock Mercury 300XS (306HP and 6400RPM Limiter)

#1 Tuff 21 kevlar hull-890lbs – 20’8” Long, 7’7” Beam - 22 degree deadrise (Confirmed 102.5MPH Driver Blake Sewell) (2002 Tuff 21 ran 102MPH w/300X)
#2 Bernico F2 21 standard hull-727lbs–21’4” Long, 6’3” Beam - 24 degree deadrise + 14” pad (Confirmed 98.1MPH Driver VanSteelant) (550lb s3000 385HP ran 103.1MPH)
#3 Progression 22 standard hull-948lbs – 22’1”Long, 7’8” Beam - 24 degree variable deadrise + 7" pad (Confirmed 94MPH Driver goneby)
#4 Sutphen 21 standard hull-1325lbs–20’9” Long, 7’2” Beam - 20 degree variable deadrise + 1" pad (88MPH Driver Unknown) (525I/O with heavy layup ran GPS 93.4MPH)
#5 Nordic Crossfire-21 or SR-21 standard hull-1475lbs– 21’ Long, 7’1” Beam - 18 degree deadrise + 9" pad (Confirmed 86MPH Driver wildone)
#6 Velocity 220 standard hull-1895lbs – 21’6” Long, 7’11” Beam - 22 degree deadrise + 12" pad (Confirmed 83.5MPH Driver aaronmt73)


And the fastest of the no longer produced hulls....with power noted

#1 1986 Superboat 21 Classic Deadrise=22 Degrees + 6" pad (Confirmed 97MPH -Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver hoser)
#2 1985 Velocity 22 Stepp “Old Style Deck” Deadrise=22 Degrees + 7" pad (Confirmed 93MPH– Stock Merc 300X(325HP)- Driver B kNo023)
#3 1976 Challenger 21 - Hull 1350lbs Deadrise=21.5 Degrees (Confirmed 90MPH - Yamaha 250HPDI Phase III (326HP) - Driver Jamescole)
#4 2007 Intimidator 21 Deadrise=22 Degrees (Confirmed 85MPH - Stock Yamaha 250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver Hydropimp911)
#5 1990 Activator 21 - Hull 1475lbs Deadrise=22 Degrees + 5.5" pad (Confirmed 84MPH – Stock Yamaha250 Ox66 (256HP) - Driver dnelson964)
#6 2005 Kryptonite 22 Custom - Hull 1500lbs Deadrise=23 Degrees (Confirmed 79.9MPH -Stock Merc Promax(285HP)- Driver ghost28)<O:p</O>

[Greg G]

Greg G here is the speed it was actually 83.5mph. Hopefully it will be changing in the next week or so.

How did you do over the last couple of weeks upping the ante? I remember you changed the case on your Velocity 220.

[aaronmt73]

How did you do over the last couple of weeks upping the ante? I remember you changed the case on your Velocity 220.

Havent had a chance to run it yet.Ive only had 1 day off in 2 weeks.My lower should be here in a few days id imagine.I need to raise the motor a hole or two as well.Hopefully ill get the chance to relax a bit this weekend and get it done.Im not sure I have enough prop now since im going from 1.62 gears to 1.75s.I do have a 6800 limiter so that should help.Im hoping to crack 85 when all said and done.Looking at all the other SOB I believe the newer style Velocity is the only one with a actuall cuddy cabin.So it probably wont ever be the fastest of the group but 85 with a cuddy is nothing to laugh at.

[Greg G]

I think you will clock 86.1mph and move the Nordic 21 out of 5th Place on the list. Good Luck.

[steve123]

No truth at all to the progression rumor,was there today.

What ASSHOLE started that rumor?

[Greg G]

It sounds like Progression is alive an well in 2013.

[steve123]

It sounds like Progression is alive an well in 2013.

I was there this past Tuesday. Kevin is very busy.

[CrazyHippy]

The Nordic is pulling skiers into the high 80's. They took one to Tenerife in the Canary Islands, and the boat is as fast as anything out there with a STOCK (and inspected) SOB. Greg G. pissed off every nordic owner in history, and now is getting no information on them. Stock power, heavy (offshore use) layup is running mid 90's without a skier, but not a MPH optimized setup either. The smaller boat (SR-20) will crack 100 without setup work. It will pull a skier into 3rd on the list setup for semi smooth water. They get run in some nasty slop, and out offshore in the big stuff too.

This list is at best a small subset of the boats available. The F2 ski race guys are running boats from around the world looking for any gain. The high $$$ guys will test 4-5 boats and bring one of them out to race. I doubt they are discounting them due to interior color schemes...

[Greg G]

I was there this past Tuesday. Kevin is very busy.

That is good to hear that Progression is cranking along. :thumbsup:

[Greg G]

The Nordic is pulling skiers into the high 80's. Stock power, heavy layup is running mid 90's without a skier, but not a MPH optimized setup either. The smaller boat (SR-20) will crack 100 without setup work. They get run in some nasty slop, and out offshore in the big stuff too.

Ok, it just hit 32 degrees. Are you saying the two Nordic boats pictured below are faster than a Tuff 21 at a verified 102.5mph? I respectfully disagree and say show proof.

[CrazyHippy]

Ok, it just hit 32 degrees. Are you saying the two Nordic boats pictured are faster than a Tuff 21 at a verified 102.5mph? I respectfully disagree and say show proof.

That 373 boat just took second at the Parker 336 enduro. (STV won) Limited to a stock motor, and even with the pad or deeper it was running over 95mph lap after lap after lap. It has pulled a skier deep into the 90's with the same basic setup. I'm a pretty small guy, and will slow a boat 5-6mph... their skier has me by 25lbs. Just being able to pull the motor up an inch and a half will smack that 102# bad.

Will it be done? probably not. Bragging rights on an east coast website, and $7 will get you a really fancy cup of coffee...

The larger hull was tested extensively prior to Worlds in the Canary Islands.. It could run right at 90 with a skier, but the setup for speed made the boat very flighty in the rough. A decent setup for the rough was 5mph slower. Some more time with the big boat will make some healthy strides.

Proof can be had at the Parker 336. The Nordic guys will have a few different boats out and running. It is usually fairly fast water, but by no means flat. Bring out the Tuff, Progression, etc. and race in a real race. Motors will be teched to keep everyone honest.

[Greg G]

That 373 boat just took second at the Parker 336 Enduro. Limited to a stock motor, and even with the pad or deeper it was running over 95mph lap after lap after lap. It has pulled a skier deep into the 90's with the same basic setup. Just being able to pull the motor up an inch and a half will smack that 102# bad.

Cool little boat for sure and built right here in America. How long is the SR-20 #373 boat that you are referring to? Is it 20' LOA or is it 19 and change? Or maybe it's longer than 20'. No one on the West Coast seems to know. The Nordic SR-20 model just looks like a flatter water boat overall. It has a much shallower bow than the SR-21, has less freeboard waterline to gunnel, and looks a bit stripped down to race with no rear seat. It also has less dead rise angle than any of the (12) boats on the list, new or used, at 18 degrees.

Aren't there any Go-Pro videos of it running at top speed? The Tuff 21 evidently runs triple digits with a fully fitted interior, pleasure boat style. Full interior also, including bow cushioning in the Progression 22 so the kids can take a snooze or you can store a ton of extra stuff. I just can't see the Nordic SR-20 getting to those speeds you mention, even "stripped down", but you could prove it with a vid clip and a LOA measurement that shows it is between the Tuff at 20'8" and the Progression at 22'1".

Can the Nordic SR-20 pictured below, under perfect conditions, really run better than the Tuff 21's 102.5mph which has been verified multiple times on GPS?

[Greg G]

That 373 boat limited to a stock motor and with just being able to pull the motor up an inch and a half will smack that 102# bad. Will that be done? Probably not. Bragging rights on an east coast website, and $7 will get you a really fancy cup of coffee.

Hey, play nice. For $7 bucks you can get a cup of coffee and a 25' tape measure back East :)

[RotorHead]

How come Herb's intimidator did not get an honorary mention in the "list". Back in the day, when I was paying attention, he ran 104. I read all the way back to page 90 but there was no explanation as to why he was disqualified..?.

[Da Bull]

Proof can be had at the Parker 336. The Nordic guys will have a few different boats out and running. It is usually fairly fast water, but by no means flat. Bring out the Tuff, Progression, etc. and race in a real race. Motors will be teched to keep everyone honest.



My guess is they didn`t show.

DB

[Trimmed Out15]

I believe its because they were talking about stock hulls same reason keith wasn't talked about
What do you mean stock hulls?

[vnemous]

Didnt Ben lay down a verified 95 on gps in his velocity. Whats considered a stock hull. What if its been lightened or the bottom modified or blue printed. Are these reasons for banishment from the fastest sob reign? List needs to be updated.

[Trimmed Out15]

True story

[Trimmed Out15]

Didnt Ben lay down a verified 95 on gps in his velocity. Whats considered a stock hull. What if its been lightened or the bottom modified or blue printed. Are these reasons for banishment from the fastest sob reign? List needs to be updated.
I thought a 21/22 sob was an sob no matter what. My boat was a production boat, it has everything the others do and some. I run a radio and carpet, and a 50 something gallon tank, most don't. The bottom was blue printed but most were anyway. Have to get the #s somehow! I'm also running a stock powerhead unlike manny of the sobs these days.... Yami boys :nonod:

[vnemous]

Agreed. Thats like limiting horsepower or just taking for granted what the cowl says:D

[Trimmed Out15]

Uncle mike, you need to update your "speed coming soon", its well deserved

[vnemous]

Uncle mike, you need to update your "speed coming soon", its well deserved
Want to lay down a little better number with the new fuel pump before I update it.

[Trimmed Out15]

Want to lay down a little better number with the new fuel pump before I update it.
How was your water pressure?

[vnemous]

12psi with the bobs. Still plenty. Have no idea on the rpm so dont ask:D Need a tell tale:D

[dnelson964]

I thought a 21/22 sob was an sob no matter what. My boat was a production boat, it has everything the others do and some. I run a radio and carpet, and a 50 something gallon tank, most don't. The bottom was blue printed but most were anyway. Have to get the #s somehow! I'm also running a stock power-head unlike many of the sobs these days.... Yami boys :nonod:

Keith and Mike you both bring up good points and why we all love the SOB's. They are 'one offs' so no two will ever be the same. We know repairing hull creaking or making original untrue boat bottoms straight (as was intended to be) are not doing anything improper. We all respect the boats that clearly excel in performance no matter what power you put on it and that helps retain certain boats value. Hull notched and non-notched are variations all SOB's have come with and without so that's almost like an original 'option'. The great diversity however keeps all us wondering how each boat performs against the others. Makes for friendly competition that is good for SOB boating and keeping it a unique hobby/sport no?

As for power, we all know you can put a 'stock' 'race bread 300x' on anything and go 'fast', no argument there (as long as you can find a good one or are willing to find and pay a great mechanic). However, for the majority of us I think, realize half the fun is 'trying' to make a reliable outboard (non-race motor) run respectable against the Race motors. When the phase "variety is the spice of life" was coined they could have been thinking about SOB's.

Ps. I also have a radio, full carpet, and a 50 something tank . :D

Let the debates continue....:cheers:

[vnemous]

I would kill for a 50 gallon tank:D

[vnemous]

I would kill for a 50 gallon tank:D

PS dont tell my mechanic that he should be paid:D

[Donat]

Ps. I also have a radio, full carpet, and a 50 something tank . :D

Let the debates continue....:cheers:[/QUOTE]

Doc you meant you had in your activator - can't trust yamahahaha guys :D (James put 30 in that flawless challenger of yours) :cheers:

[albypine]

Hope you guys get the rules ironed out soon. Would hate to build my sob then find out the changes I made disqualified me :( never shaved my balz's so does that count as carpet :D

[vnemous]

Rules......we dont need no stinkin rules

[dnelson964]

Hope you guys get the rules ironed out soon. Would hate to build my sob then find out the changes I made disqualified me :( never shaved my balz's so does that count as carpet :D

non shaved can count....or is that only for Hydrostreams? :confused:...can't wait to see your real SOB Alby. Saw my old activator on Saturday and John has done a nice job setting it up.

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Doc you meant you had in your activator - can't trust yamahahaha guys :D (James put 30 in that flawless challenger of yours) :cheers:

Don I was just waiting for that comment to pop up......actually the 'Original' Challengers have a separate center floor (I know some remember) that comes out separately for easy open and close access to the gas tank. James was thoughtful enough not to change that and did gave me the 52 gallon tank. The other is actually a 35 gal. ;)

But unless I run over and up the CT river at the end of the year I never have used more than 29-30 on any other long day with the thirstLESS Yami. :D

[albypine]

All I have to say is wow mine will not be 100% stock this summer. You guys are out of control and yamaha's rule :)
Ok I had to fix it in what you really ment to say ;) . Doc if all goes well by spring time you will see it. With everyone crying about mods and boats not being stock to put up true numbers I just might keep it under wraps what's going to be done ;) Jk I am way to honest for them games :D or am I lol

[Trimmed Out15]

Alby, give us a sneak peak, what kind of boat? I'm sure it will have something black pushing it

[albypine]

Alby, give us a sneak peak, what kind of boat? I'm sure it will have something black pushing it
Regal velocity . She is in need of a lot , but will be better then New when done and about 50lbs lighter ;) would be sick ride with two diamond 280's on the back:D.but might have to start with one while I learn to not wash the rub rails every time out :) been a long time since I flown a v . But sure will come back to me and will be able to hang it out like I can with the virage :)

[Trimmed Out15]

Regal velocity . She is in need of a lot , but will be better then New when done and about 50lbs lighter ;) would be sick ride with two diamond 280's on the back:D.but might have to start with one while I learn to not wash the rub rails every time out :) been a long time since I flown a v . But sure will come back to me and will be able to hang it out like I can with the virage :)
It's like riding a bike, you will do fine, good luck with your build. Will it be ready for the romp?

[albypine]

Going to try, tonight was the first time I even looked inside the boat. Was shrink wrapped before I knew i was ending up with it. Wrap is off now. Lots of screws to turn ;)

[dnelson964]

Going to try, tonight was the first time I even looked inside the boat. Was shrink wrapped before I knew i was ending up with it. Wrap is off now. Lots of screws to turn ;)

I'm sure you'll do your magic Alby .... I hope it's done to take a run to the Sagandaga dam late Saturday again w/ tres and myself..

[Greg G]

My guess is they didn`t show. DB

Tuff and Progression may not ever go West, but Nordic won't ever come to New York either :smiletest:

[Capt.Insane-o]

Time to take a Tuff to the Parker Enduro.

[Greg G]

Time to take a Tuff to the Parker Enduro.

That would be VERY interesting for sure.

[Greg G]

Pulled 95 out of the '85 velocity yesterday on Greenwood Lake.

Have to give some credit and pull his other post over. 95mph, very cool.