Found another 1-2mph

[RotorHead]

Just by fluke, I had the miss-fortune of hitting something with my skeg the last time out. So I thought I’d take the opportunity to shape it the way I thought the water should flow over the thing. So I created an arc to produce a low pressure on the left side.

This is what it looked like.

[RotorHead]

This is what it gave me.

[RotorHead]

This is what it looked like

[blkmtrfan]

Man you have got your boat movin :cool:

Did you notice any handling changes with the modified skeg?

[RotorHead]

Yes. Less torque steer (at the height I’m used to running it) and an unusually high water pressure. Up in the vicinity of 20psi. I’m not sure if that’s a result of the gear case now going straighter in the water and the ram effect of the water pushing the pressure way high. I don’t know it that’s good or bad.???

[rpm racing]

you are really getting close to the magic number. Do you have any tricks left or things to try to get that last 4-5mph?

[THE HOSER]

to get that speed what prop and gear case?

[RotorHead]

Yes, RPM! Two more tricks, and I’m happy to share them with you. The only problem is that I have to return to work (overseas) tomorrow and you’all have to wait for the results for six long weeks before I return.

I plan on putting my new set back bracket on ( a total of 12”) …

And swapping out he 1.62 gears for 1.75’s

Hoser. Still the SportMaster and the 24” Trophy …. Unbelievable Huhh??

But the numbers don’t lie… Nor do I …

[rpm racing]

WOW, I thought you had the 12" setback on it, I think you should get your goal with that!! What prop do you think you will try with the other gears? Does Mark have any speed secrets that he is saving for when you are all done what you can do? Is that 300x all stock? Are you ever going to bring that boat over to my area?

[THE HOSER]

call me
631-563-7071
ask for billy

[jerry]

give it up hoser !!! your stuck where you are ...........

[THE HOSER]

as long as im ALWAYS in front of you

[Firestarter]

RPM, the motor is stock. There are a few tricks left, it will get to 100 mph.
You might want to mention that it is a SPORTmaster, a speedmaster will confuse a few people ( it is off the champboat motor.)
Fly safe see ya when you get back.

RT

[rpm racing]

RT if your boat will do 90 with a 300 promax what would you guess at with a 300x? The x has about 35-40 more hp, is that right? Do you think 93-95 or even more? I really like these 21 V's more and more. In an old post you said that pre 1988 charger 18DL are like a mini challenger. What do you think one of those boats would do with a strong 2.5? Would it be drivable?

[Firestarter]

My boat is down at 87 mph right now, warmer air and water. I think I would run right at 90-2 with a 300X.
Trust me, these boats ROCK, and are much more fun on the lake than an STV.
Yes a DL is a mini Challenger. With a 2.5 you will get 90's. It will not like rough water. To find a GOOD DL is gonna be hard....... but I might know of one..... an old race boat.

BTW an ET will put that Tuff 21 over 100 mph...... and the cool part is that it is not a flyweight boat... this is FULL weight.

RT

[RotorHead]

Thanks Rob, I stand corrected, I changed the original post. ( I should not drink and post Ha ha)

Just spoke to Hoser, he asked me to post this picture of the prop I’m running…

[Firestarter]

Damn you are flying. Mark dropped by with the Burgandy Tuff on the weekend. He got me to drive it....... my Challenger is going in the trader this week!.
He also said you were picking on the big $$$$ poker run guys!.

HEHEHE

RT

[RotorHead]

Burgundy… Mmmmm…

[rpm racing]

that is what I was thinking, is that one of these v hulls would be much more fun up here than an stv. I was out all weekend in a 18 classic and was thinking if I were in a stv I would be getting smoked. Do you think the 18DL would still not handled the rough stuff very well? What is the story on the charger that you have a line on. I would like to get something that needs work, I have as much fun working on this stuff as I do running it, plus I have a new boat in the water that I will use all summer. I really just want to build up a boat that will go over 90 and still run 60's on the bad days out there.

[Firestarter]

Yup........ me want........ BAD, took my brother out 210 lbs and me at 195 the damn thing was at 84 on GPS with that little 225 and the 28 trophy..... HARD on the limiter.

RT

[RotorHead]

Mr Bigg$$$ Guys. Haaaa Ha ha...

[Firestarter]

Don't count the STV out, I have whpped 24 skaters in 2 feet of chop in mine. ( not light weight ).
The DL will be ok, and ya it will need some work. It could easily be made to dance.
It will be OK with big power in the rough water..... not the larger swells.

RT

[rpm racing]

man, that is a nice boat!!!!! that is what I saw on sunday up in the joe river. It was kind of funny because the guy who was in the donzi with me was trying to convince to try to run it down and I explained to him the vast difference between good hulls with outboard power and classic hulls with truck engines in them.

[Firestarter]

HAHAHAHAHAAHA, your friend would have got a real education had you have tried that one.
People used to always try to run my Euro down!....... though they never tried my rocket..... EVER!.

People seem to like to try the Challenger too..... only ever been passed by a Tuff 21 and the STV's.

RT

[rpm racing]

that does not surprise me, that challenger is sweet. When do you get up here on friday? maybe I will head over your way and we can talk more about the charger. Any chance of the stv hitting the lake this weekend?

[sho305]

Those things sure ride high in the water for 21'! I'll tell you, you don't see anything but vees on Lake Michigan excepting maybe a big offshore skater, but it can get nasty out there in a hurry. Waves are real close together and rarely are there swells.

[Firestarter]

Normally I am up around 7, but this weekend I am going to the Montreal F1.

The DL would be a good boat with a 2.5

RT

[rpm racing]

the F1 should be a great time!! I had to give up tickets that I had because I have to head down to the city saturday for a wedding. We will have to hook up the following weekend and talk more then. I think the dl with a 2.5 would be loads of fun!! YOu have got me thinking now.

Later, and have fun in montreal.

[stylishskier]

That is awesome, the numbers you are turning with that boat. I love how it rides as well, looks very solid and pretty sweet ride for stock setup/ owners tweaks.

[Chummy]

I'M LATE I CAN'T BELEIVE THE THREAD GOT THIS FAR BEFORE I SAW IT. GOOD JOB ROTORHEAD, KEEP ON KEEPIN ON:D :D :D

[DoktorC]

I would also be interested in seeing the old DL raceboat if its possible, just for interest sake more than anything. Mine (1982) runs well in the chop..but I'm only in the mid 70s.

[sho305]

No doubt, very impressive ride Rotorhead!:cool:

[RotorHead]

One last one before I have to go… Not TTT but just for your enjoyment…

Ciao

Ted

[Reese]

how did you get the boat to fly so well and high. The pic on the first page is hard to tell, but the pad does not look very wide...which makes it even more impressive.

Can you tell a little bit more about the setup...setback, prop height, total wieght, etc.

[sho305]

Hey Reese, there was a thread a while back about 100mph sob or something and I thought I asked about it. Some of these hulls have little pads and some don't. The only answer I got was 'good driving'. I was told my 17' vee checkmate for example, would require a pad to be driveable over 60mph. Maybe they get some air lift that helps? Maybe this larger size hull has enough mass to slow the oscillations/chine..:confused:

[airpacker]

Originally posted by RotorHead
Mr Bigg$$$ Guys. Haaaa Ha ha...

OK Ted, now lets be reasonable here ;) Thats a 50 foot Airborn Marine cat with 1800 hp in it. It runs 123 so I think you might need another 300 on the back to actually pick on him:). Of course, you could probably hit him head on, drive thru his tunnel and out the back without a scratch:)

[Donat]

RotorHead I never saw more beautifull pic than this and boat is awsome. If you beat 100 mph with that hull I will order light layout from you next year

[HERB]

It would be nice to see one of these at the Rondak romp. Donat should come as well to see whats he"s missing. I reached these speeds last year, over 100mph in a 21 Intimidator. Lets see what you have?

[Jay R.]

that boat looks awesome! the big boats WILL run the big numbers with one engine!

[Donat]

Herb I'd love to come but I have a lot of work. I know that you have the fastest 21. But this guy is runing havier hull than yours.

And you know whose price is better;)

[mr.clean]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[MattGreen]

The more I see those TUFFs the more I want one. Friggin' awesome. Would a cuddy version ever be possible ?


Matt

[jerry]

Donat
whos price is better , jerry though herbs price was under 18grand . tuff was over 20 . correct jerry if hes wrong .

[Scream And Fly]

I asked Herb today, and the Intimidator 21 sells for around $15K.

Greg

[Donat]

Price

Herbs of course

[RotorHead]

OK Boys. You guys can¡¦t possibly imagine how much trouble and frustration I had to go through to answer this post. I¡¦m writing this to you from Mumbay (Bombay) India. Nothing works in this country. At the risk of offending some ones heritage (not intended), my lord this is by far the worst place I¡¦ve ever worked. And I¡¦ve worked in some real ****holes. I¡¦ll try to post some photos if I can get the computer to stay on line long enough.

First, let me congratulate Herb. That is a spectacular number. Not to take away from his thunder, but I finally finally weighed my boat. Simply lifted off the trailer the way it runs every day, everything in including 20 galUs. fuel, it weighed in at 2188lbs. Now, again I¡¦m not trying to be a smart about this its simply a fair question. How much does the Intimidator weigh. Just lifted off the trailer in the state it ran those impressive numbers. This interests me from a hobby boat builders technical prospective. Cause we have heard some wild numbers up here. ¡K Several 900lbs. comments, one even as low as 700lbs. These numbers must be bare hull only, or just plain wrong. Herb, kindly verify or correct these myths.

Finally Herb, I¡¦d love to pick up that gauntlet you¡¦ve laid down and run with it. Unfortunately I¡¦m in this hell hole till the end of July. But I¡¦ll tell ya¡¦ what, if I don¡¦t die of Malaria or Montezuma¡¦s revenge, I¡¦ll make every effort to come to an event in your neck of the woods in August. Let me know if there are any. I would love to show you what we¡¦ve got. By then I¡¦ll be good and starved for all the boating I can get.

All the best
Ted

[Jay R.]

whats powering that tuff 21? and whats powering the intimidator?

[Firestarter]

The Tuff price is around 21k us at todays exchange rate. DO not take that as SOLID, as I have nothing to do with the company.

The Tuff is also a 100% balsa boat, deck sides, bottom. It is ALL vacuum bagged, it is ALL bi and tri axel glass. It is all Vinylester resin, it has PPG gel. NOTHING but the best go into this boat. In my opinion, the only competition it has is the Progression.

With all due respect to the Intimidator, as it is very fast they are not in the same league. The Tuff boat pound for pound is the fastest SOB, and with a simple prop change will crack 100 mph, in a boat that can be RACED OFFSHORE in real conditions for years and never come apart.

Sorry for my rant, but should you want to compare the two boats based on price, you are not making a fair comparison.

RT........ BTW, it is also runnng these speeds in fresh water and at 1200 feet of altitude.

[FX10 Superboats]

Since the Tuff 21' is basically a 21 Superboat. If the cockpit dimensions are the same, we have a mold for the coolest rear cockpit cover. I'll take some pics. I'm sure John Coen will part with the mold since we updated our 21'and no longer make that model. I'll try to take some pics of the mold on Monday, and post them that night.
I still love those 21's.
I'm pretty sure Joey Impresia at East Coast Marine on the Island has a 21'Superboat doing over a hundred.

[Firestarter]

F/X10, the bottom and deck are both different on the Tuff from the Superboat.

RT

[Scream And Fly]

With all due respect to the Intimidator, as it is very fast they are not in the same league. The Tuff boat pound for pound is the fastest SOB, and with a simple prop change will crack 100 mph, in a boat that can be RACED OFFSHORE in real conditions for years and never come apart.


Rob, how did you arrive at this conclusion? How much do you know about the Intimidator's construction? Did you ever even see one in person? I do not want to come off as harsh, and yes, the Tuff is a very nice boat, but your conclusions are based on pure supposition. I rode in Herb's Intimidator 21 all week through some VERY nasty water at over 85+ and I was very impressed. Herb doesn't give that boat a chance to relax - anyone at the Romp will agree with that. Also, the build quality of the Intimidator is impressive.

Herb is also the only person to run over 94 MPH with a factory stock 250. This is a fact. Nobody else is even close to that.

I'm not looking to debate this issue, but you have no experience with the Intimidator (or a Progression 22), so how could you draw these conclusions? Herb has run over 105 mph with a 300X and John G. ran over 101 mph with his Progression 22/300X. This was before anyone even thought 100 mph was even possible with a 21-22" deep V-bottom, single outboard.

Greg

[Firestarter]

I have heard all about the intimidator. Nothing but positive.
There is no question the boat is light, there is no question it is very fast ( BTW, that stock 250 is almost as powerful as an old style 300 Promax, and in some spots more so ). The fact is the Tuff is built EXACTLY like the Progression, only because of default, as there is no better way to build a boat. All this arose, because people were questioning the price difference between the 2 boats. Fact is you can hardly buy the materials to build a Progression or a Tuff for what the other sells for.

Mark form Tuff told me that the Intimidator is a real runner, and looks great.

RT

[Scream And Fly]

Rob - agreed on the 250. It has a more broad torque curve than a 300 Pro Max, but it doesn't make the same power up top - close though, yes. The 250 is a powerful outboard for sure. Also, there is a Progression out on the Island here in the Hamptons running a stock Pro Max 300 (not a 300X) at 94 MPH, turning a Mazco RE-4.

What impresses me even more is that Herb was on the rev limiter with the 250 at 94 mph. That suggests that there might be more to be had from his setup.

Greg:)

[Firestarter]

That is moving!. My Challenger only runs 90.1 best and 87-88 most days with a 99' 300.
On the dyno I have seen only 12 hp difference between the 250 and 300, less on the 250 XB.

RT

[jerry]

Firewalker
jerry is glad to see that tuff boat is going to put up , and race S.O.B , now we will see how great of a boat it is . as far as the intimidator he will be racing also so we can see the difference !!!

[Firestarter]

Well Jerry, I don't know if he is racing but I am sure he will do well. As Mark is a former ( and mulitple time ) Regional and NATIONAL Prostock Champion, former Mod-Vp racer, former Mercury Racing Poster child, and throttleman for All-Risks. He has the skill.

RT

[jerry]

I dont know if hes racing ? but im sure he will do well ??
you must be kidding , running your mouth about it and now your not sure ??? come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.......l

[Firestarter]

Jerry you are a Moron.

[jerry]

jerry knows , but you my friend are an A-HOLE AND LIAR !!!!

[Firestarter]

" Liar"....... explain that, otherwise you are entitled to your opinion.

[Liqui-Fly]

Popcorn and peanuts. The boats are both very nice and run very well. There are enough styling difference in them that they will suit different people. The performance that both companies are getting is unbelieveable and the people theat represent them are too.

Jerry I think you've hid behind sarcasm for enough years. Keeping it just mysterious enough to make some think you may be in the know. But you're just a jackass with a really slow ass boat doing the same things year after year. I don' think there is anyone on the board that has "put up" less than you. Nothing hotter than watching a giant 24 foot bomb with a bomb motor listing over to the right as it plows through the water at 70 mph. What a thrill. blaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[jerry]

ok so WE agree that you are an a-hole ? hahahahahahl

L fly hahahahahahahaha

[Jay R.]

lets be serious, your both A-holes. and honestly Scream and fly wouldn't be the same with out either of you. kinda like main charecters of a movie....... jerry being well... weird..... and L-fly be crass, and abrasive......


just make's for good fun!! :D

[jerry]

who asked you D.B !

[sho305]

I just want to know if Jerrys dog ever gets to ride in Jerrys boat.

[Jay R.]

THPPPPPPPPPTTT!:p

[Liqui-Fly]

Your as in you are is spelled you're. So your sentence should have read "you're both A-holes". hahahahah Jerry sucks

[Jay R.]

opps... i killed half a 12 pack by that point.......

[Liqui-Fly]

Yeah sure. Please don't group me in with Jerry. Atleast I add some constructive things around here. Jerry is simply here to be a big hemorrhoid. My buddy Phasboat said he'd spread a tube of Prep-H on ol Jerry when his shoulder starts feeling better.

David

[Firestarter]

I'll donate the Prep-H

[blkmtrfan]

:D LMAO :D

[jerry]

Liqui-Fly, the only thing phastboat is gonna be spreading is your ass cheeks when his arm is better !!! HAHAHAHHAH

[PhastBoat]

how did i get dragged into this pissing match.

That chit about JerrY's barge was funny!

[Jay R.]

I just wanna make wind chimes bubba!

[RotorHead]

Man, This post has turned into some kinda’ cancer. I was going to delete it when it started going in this direction but now I think Jay R. is right, S+F would not be the same with out Jerry..

"[ Jerry I think you've hid behind sarcasm for enough years. Keeping it just mysterious enough to make some think you may be in the know. But you're just a jackass with a really slow ass boat doing the same things year after year. I don' think there is anyone on the board that has "put up" less than you. Nothing hotter than watching a giant 24 foot bomb with a bomb motor listing over to the right as it plows through the water at 70 mph. What a thrill. blaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [/B][/QUOTE] "

VERY FUNNY:D :D :D

[sho305]

Nah, if it were a real cancer I would have heard the word 'bayliner' mentioned....:D

[jerry]

at least jerrys boat is not a second rate splash !

[RotorHead]

Ohhh… Ha ha ha. Well done Jerry! Bring it on… Second rate??? Wow! Thems are fightin’ words. HaHaha… You’re funny! ... lookin' that is. Harrrr....

[THE HOSER]

WOW.

[blkmtrfan]

Originally posted by jerry
at least jerrys boat is not a second rate splash !

Really, what are you talking about :confused:

[progression22]

ok.... what could you possible say about any of the progressions.

[Liqui-Fly]

Do Progression really exist?:) I've been to a few boat gatherings and never have I seen one. Maybe they're just too fast:p

[progression22]

yes, your 100% correct!!!!
there just way too fast for you... Come to the greatsouth bay and you will see tons of them. No one up there will break the bank to buy one!!!!!

[Liqui-Fly]

Yeah we're all low budget rednecks up here. Most of the pennies we make go strait toward keeping our last two teeth in our heads.

[progression22]

you said it, not me

[blkmtrfan]

Originally posted by progression22
ok.... what could you possible say about any of the progressions.

How about they are expensive ;)

But I really think they are cool :cool:

[skywagon]

I sure would like to see a progression in person. I've never seen one down here in Texas. I think they would be great for some of the larger, rough, lakes. I'm getting tired of my teeth(the ones I still have:D ) getting rattled every weekend by all of the 40 ft cabin cruiser wakes.

Bill

[blkmtrfan]

I have only seen one in person, and maybe it was the color combo, but I actually thought my Activator looked cooler...

No slam, I didn't say better, just my opinion ;) :cool:

[PhastBoat]

BETTER!!!!

[blkmtrfan]

So everyone else can compair (I am still not ranking on any boat, just a looks preference) ;)

[blkmtrfan]

Activator :D

[skywagon]

DAMN IT THAT THING IS COOL!!!!:cool:

[PhastBoat]

:D

[PhastBoat]

;)

[jerry]

nice lookin boats , too bad they are so slow !!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

[stokernick]

I like the hub caps on the trailer...me and Julio bling bling!!

[RotorHead]

Phastoat,

How much set back on your Activator in total? Did you make that bracket yourself or buy? Nice shop BTW.

[PhastBoat]

15" Rapid Jack+ 4" Land&Sea Hydrualic

That Picture of the Activator in the shop is not mine. It was for sale on the board.

[blkmtrfan]

Originally posted by jerry
nice lookin boats , too bad they are so slow !!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

Slow compaired to what powered by what, Jerry?

[blkmtrfan]

BTW thanks skywagon, and you are right about these kind of boats being perfect for the larger (and busy) lakes, much more fun (and safer for the wife and kids) in the rough crap than my old stream :cool:

Lot of fun in the salt too :D

[progression22]

Originally posted
[ by PhastBoat B]BETTER!!!! [/B]

PHASTBOAT I THINK YOUR HAVING A REALLY BAD DREAM..................................WAKE UP

JERRY DID YOU SEE THE HUBCAPS ON THAT TRAILER? THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS BOAT WITH BOTTOM PAINT FAST..............HAHAHAHAHA

[PhastBoat]

And There aint NO bottom paint on MY boat goof ball. Thats black gel coat. And come out to tanner Weds with that baby BARGE. (JerrY's is the papa barge) so I can spank the both of you's.

[progression22]

looks like bottom paint to me!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only way your going to spank me is if i don't know were racing!!!

[PhastBoat]

How fast is that Barge with a 225?
Come down weds and I'll LET you RUB my bottom.

[progression22]

first of all it's not a 225, but i know one thing. I'm faster then yOu

[PhastBoat]

I WILL SEE YOU WEDS!!
Bring a GPS W/ RECALL

[Liqui-Fly]

If you are really looking for an alternative....any of these boats would be awsome. They all run really nice.

How about a Velocity with a 300X?

[progression22]

If you want to beat me you better have twins then.... I guess you never learned when i ran "not walked" away from u last year. I know you changed your motor but that still not going to help!hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[progression22]

bye the way, take the bottom paint off you might gain 1 to 2 mph
blaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[blkmtrfan]

Originally posted by PhastBoat
I WILL SEE YOU WEDS!!
Bring a GPS W/ RECALL

Make sure we all see the results :D :D

BTW Fly, love your Brothers boat :cool:

[jerry]

come on ,dont tease me , i cant make it this wed .

[progression22]

WHY? DO REALLY WANT TO SEE SAM LOSE AGAIN!!!
JERRY DON'T YOU BEAT SAM

[PhastBoat]

If you took off atleast two of your gold chains.

[PhastBoat]

Does your daddy know you took the motor off his Grady White?

[THE HOSER]

whats up with that Velocity looks like someone throw up on it:p

[progression22]

how did u know, ohhhh that's right i also beat u in the grady white with my grandmother driving.................

[Liqui-Fly]

Hoser the trailer queen with the World's ugliest SOB with baby freaking blue stripes and a sweet bow rail is talking trash. All you need is some headlights on that dork monster and you and Jerry will be the main girls on Fire Island:eek:

[THE HOSER]

do you have a problem?

and whats a dork monster:D

[Liqui-Fly]

I think a dork monster might be a dork master when typed with rage. My brother is very sensitive about his paint job and he don't need no chit from a bow "wire" sporting baby blue stripe having, boring lame ol Superboat.

[THE HOSER]

it seems to me like your the sensitive one on the paint job.

and whats wrong with a superboat?

and there are three blue stripes. What does that mean?

[progression22]

did i miss something?

[THE HOSER]

yea i think i hit a never

[Liqui-Fly]

Isn't it the fire island flag or something?

[THE HOSER]

. :confused:

[Liqui-Fly]

If you're just gonna play dumb then why did you start....I was hoping for a mid afternoon spar. I'll have to go mess with Raceman.

[progression22]

Why do u talk about fire island so much? There is alot more straight places then gay places !! You might only know about cherry grove, if that what you are tring to get at!!

[Liqui-Fly]

I don't know WTF I'm talking about.... Phastboat just told me Hoser and Jerry like to oil up, throw on sppedos and cruise out to Fire Island...so I just assumed.

[progression22]

it just makes you look ass

[THE HOSER]

you would like to see that wouldnt you.
now we know the truth your the one thats like to walk the walk at cherry grove

[Liqui-Fly]

Not being sure of what you occupation is makes you look like what??

[THE HOSER]

what ever guy

[Liqui-Fly]

What ever?

[THE HOSER]

lets see your boat

[progression22]

Do u see when i have nothing to do at work, i love ripping on these hicks from upstate

[THE HOSER]

i see your point

[progression22]

who would really want to see that junk box

[Liqui-Fly]

It's everywhere...you know I'm joking with you right?

Here is all you'd see

[Liqui-Fly]

Do I know you Progression 22....did you come up with that name all by yourself?

[progression22]

pissing contests are fun

[progression22]

ohhhh someone can't take a joke.... We might have hit another nerve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Liqui-Fly]

Man I got the baddest Stratos in the nation. You couldn't bring me down with a wrecking ball.

[progression22]

chit, i'll try it. can i borrow yours

[Liqui-Fly]

What have you got there anyway...a 3 liter 225 carb...**** that should push your rig to what 55, 60 mph atleast right.:p

[progression22]

I have no clue where u get your info but it's not a 225 and i do 59mph. that means your boat does 51

[Liqui-Fly]

I get all my info strait from my ass....... Come on now I heard you were coming to the Romp and then you actually put that thing in the water and decided to save yourself the embarassment.

[progression22]

IF I KEEP THE 22, I WILL HAVE A X ON IT BY THEN AND I WILL GIVE YOU A 5 MILE HEAD START

[Liqui-Fly]

You might have a chance then.....my boat has a weird tendency of going faster each time out. But an X will be good for someone like you.

[progression22]

WHAT THE HALL DOES THAT MEAN, MYI RIG WITH THE 250 IS JUST AS FAST IF NOT FASTER THEN U NOW

[Liqui-Fly]

I didn't know anyone knew what numbers I'm currently running. Hmmm must have some sort of spy secretely riding in my boat. Does your boat weigh 400 lbs or something?

[progression22]

MY BOAT WEIGHT IN A 2450, ASK ANYONE WHO WAS @HERBS SHOP. hOW FAST DO YOU THINK I GO

[THE HOSER]

why dont you bring that lead sled down here and i will give
progression22 my motor and then we will see. :p

[Liqui-Fly]

Please hold the rust

At 2450 your boat might run 70.

[progression22]

THANKS TO HOSER, BUT I DON'T THINK I NEED AN X TO BEAT THAT BOMB.... I AM BETTER OFF TAKING MY MIGHT MERCURY OFF THE LIL BOAT " 9.9" AND I DON'T SEE A PROB BEATING HIM WITH THAT MOTOR

[progression22]

PUT YOUR MONEY WERE YOUR MOUTH IS OR SHUT UP.... HOW DO U LIKE THAT

[Liqui-Fly]

You cannot beat the power to weight calculator. I don't care what you think what you say or what you wish for. I don't care what your boat's design "features" are or any of that garbage. If your motor is truly 250 hp your boat will not break 70. Two things I know for sure...I don't weigh 2450 and I got waaaaaayy more HP than you do.

[Liqui-Fly]

Then you want me to take your money too. Seems to me someone has their panties in a knot.

[progression22]

HOW ABOUT THIS... BRING THAT SLED AND YOU CHECK BOOK AND WE WILL RACE. THEN I WILL CASH THE CHECK FOR ME BEATING YOU. IF THAT DOSEN'T SOUND GOOD TO U SHUT THE F UP

[Liqui-Fly]

I told you I won't run my sled in brine. How about the CT river run. There should be a nice crowd there.....

[progression22]

I CAN BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE. THEY TAKE A SPORT MOTOR AND PUT A HOT MOTOR AND THEY THINK IT'S FAST. WHY DO U WEAR A LIFE JACKET @ 51 MPH BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Liqui-Fly]

The life jacket comment shows just how stupid an inexperienced you are. Ahhh I said how about the CT river run?

[progression22]

YOU WILL HAVE NO CHANCE @ CT I WILL HAVE THE X BY THEN. i WANT TO BLOW BY THAT BOMB WITH THE 250

[progression22]

I WILL BRING MY SUPERCHARGED SEEDOO TO CT YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF BETTING THAT. THAT DOES 67 TO 69 ON GPS. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT LOSING TO THAT ?

[Liqui-Fly]

All I hear is talk out guys like you...then there are guys like Herb that put up..... you bring your X....

[progression22]

HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY COME HERE ASSH*&^% AND I TAKE YOUR MONEY

[progression22]

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

[Liqui-Fly]

Duh.....put up or shut up but I have to come there....hello

There is another event up here August 20th until the 22nd. Come on up. Or as you'd say...put up or shut up. Typing in caps has no effect on me.

[Chummy]

ROTFLMAO, YOU GUYS ARE TOO MUCH!

[Liqui-Fly]

Or else will both come down to Geoooogia and put an ass whoopin on you....then you'll have ta move North cause ain't no southerner gonna wanna live next ta some guy dat got spanked by two yanks:)

[Chummy]

LOL, YOUTS GUYS HAVE FUN I'LL JUST KEEP READING:D

[Liqui-Fly]

I can't drag you into this?

I think Prog 22 went to go punch walls or soemthing. He can't stand the thought of getting spanked in front of everyone at the CT river run by a Stratos.

[PhastBoat]

AFTER WEDS HE AINT GONNA HAVE NO MO MONEY.
I've seen him run. All he needs is a set of outriggers and some fishin poles for that Barge. Big gaint 25" fishin motor.

[Liqui-Fly]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he doesn't have a chance. The best part is I will do it with a 22....let him go by and then nail it...that should look really cool at the long beach in CT.

Numbers are starting to come up nicely. I've got Ray helping me out for visuals...the 15" has me all screwed up but the sweet spot is coming back.

[skywagon]

This thread is like a car wreck....I just can't look away..!!!

[progression22]

THE ONLY TIME PHASTBOAT SEEN ME RUN IS WHEN I WENT BY HIM LAST YEAR... YOU STARTED THIS SO COME HERE

[PhastBoat]

Passed me Homie

[progression22]

ARE U KIDDING

[Liqui-Fly]

Phasboat and Progression 22 is a better challenge because both of them are pretty slow. There is no shame in getting walked on and no satisfaction in winning by a mile. But with you two......whomever is running the strong 75 that day will be a happy guy hehehehehehe:p

[progression22]

look who's talking you have a wet bag of **** ...........junkbox...... I spoke to a few people who knew you and they said you were a **** talker... so whatever you want to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Liqui-Fly]

You obviously didn't talk to anyone that knew me. If ya think you're going to beat me with your big 80.6 that you ran once on some cool dry day in May....well you're going to be sad. Then when you see the 22 pitch prop I'm running on top of that...then you're reallly really gonna be sad. Keep your money for the 300X...then I'll only beat you by a couple.

[progression22]

the only way your boat is going in the 90's if you droped it off the cliff, remember it doesn't count getting towed behind your suv

[Liqui-Fly]

I don't own an SUV!!

[progression22]

ohh...that's right, the pickup

[Liqui-Fly]

See you are lost

[progression22]

Do you want to know the difference between you and me? I will buy something that will beat you or just put something together REALLY FAST. If you want to race the progression then fine. If you want to race the virage or the vking you won't even have a chance. Your lucky the budget boat not together. How would you feel getting beat by a $900 boat?

[Liqui-Fly]

Are you backpeddling? I've been beat by a $500 along with many others across this great land. I thought this had to do with the boats. Are you some kind of wack job or something? I don't like arguing with crazy people. Your name is Progression 22....your avatar has a 22 Progression....now all of a sudden you're trying to spare yourself grave embarassment by getting something else. Doesn't matter...I don't imagine you coulkd fdrive anything that was smaller and faster. Do as you wish....either way I will win.

[progression22]

You see i have a few boats jack and what the hell are u talking about? Read what i wrote again.... If you want to race the progression, then fine with me .................... hello..... mickfly

[Liqui-Fly]

Well good for you....got any that are fast?

[progression22]

i'm done with u, all i have to say 3 boats all faster then u

[Liqui-Fly]

Yep...well that Progression with the Grady White special on the back ain't got a "Long Islander's Chance in the Woods" against my bad ass Stratos VT Rocket!!

[PhastBoat]

Leave me out of your cat fight.

[Liqui-Fly]

Maybe if the two got togther you might have a chance....you know of not getting your feeling hurt. I can't imagine the pain of having three slow boats and no fast boats....and mine isn't really fast either but it is way fatser than anything he's got.

[progression22]

I can't imagine not having a quality boat. That would piss me off if i have a wet bag of **** under me. I say we go to the 1 mile out marker and back and we will see WHO COMES BACK!!!!!!!! Blaaa hahahaha.....

[Liqui-Fly]

Now it's about rough water....hey dude you dream up any scenerio you need to so that maybe.....just maybe you'll come out on top. My guess is that you really think you have something special. That's great. The thing out don't get is how a company that brags about their process can get a boat to weigh 2500 lbs. Maybe it has a sweet lead keel like a Pearson or something like that. Could just be the oil injection tank too I guess. Either way, you keep changing your story so it really doesn't matter. In a way you've already admitted defeat.

[skywagon]

Not to stir the sh!t but insn't a Progression still a balsa core boat also. Don't get me wrong, I think using endgrain balsa(vacuum bagged or not) is fine but to imply that "my wood boat is great and your wooden, wet bag of crap sucks" is sort of mis-guided. In my opinion they are all in the same category.

[progression22]

number one when i weigh it i had a full tank of fuel and ropes anchore and a hole bunch os **** in the boat. My BOAT IS THE BEST BUILT BOAT ON THE MARKET YOU JACK. SO, YOU MUST NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.

[Liqui-Fly]

Apparently the slowest too. Hey partner...over built isn't necessarily the "best built". Ropes and anchor....**** that's got to weight about 600 lbs atleast. You're right...I don't know anything.

[progression22]

YOU MUST NOT HAVE PASSED THE SECOND GRADE
WHAT IS 60X7 I'LL TELL YOU BEACUSE YOU SEEM A LIL STUPID
420LBS IN FUEL
AND MAYBE ANOTHER 50LBS IN **** YOU JACK
KNOW COULD YOU FIGURE IT OUT

[Liqui-Fly]

Yeah I can't do math....what is it you do? hahahahaha If you haven't heard boat do require fuel to run. I would imagine pushing that pig around requires quite a bit. You know.....maybe one day one of you Progression owners will stop TELLING everybody how bad ass their boat is and actually "SHOW" it. But I doubt it...the way the new 21 SOB's are running I would stick to talking too cause you aren't even in the ballpark.

[progression22]

WHATEVER!!!! i JUST THINK YOUR A ASSHOLE AND YOU SHOULD DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND PULL YOUR BOTTOM LIP OVER YOUR FACE AND SWALLOW

[Liqui-Fly]

Geez if I knew you were 12 yo girl I wouldn't have been so hard on you.

[Liqui-Fly]

"yes, your 100% correct!!!!
there just way too fast for you... Come to the greatsouth bay and you will see tons of them. No one up there will break the bank to buy one!!!!!"

Also the "your" you are looking for is "you're". Just a note from your dumb upstate redneck.

[Liqui-Fly]

What the hell...the last two days have been fun.....

[Bulletboy]

It sure has made for some good reading :D When your done beating up that big tank I want some of you Grandview to the dam winner gets the braggin rights loser has to admits defeat here. :D

[PhastBoat]

Lets see which finshin boat is faster !!!!!

[progression22]

I will not let him win. It will never end i keep typing
then i will start getting rude and i don't want that!!
The deepest pockets win

[Liqui-Fly]

If that were the case it isn't me and certainly isn't you. Someone with deep pockets surely would not be on the watre with that thing you got hanging off the back of that boat. Anyway it seems that every post you've been in you talk about racing. That's funny cause your stuff is slow without a doubt. I especially like how you question everyone else's numbers. Have a nice day. I'm going to go wax my pad so I can go 80.7.

Ray definitely has the fastest fishing boiat right now...it just takes him an hour to get there:)

[skywagon]

Progression22,

I know in the grand scheme of things the guy with the most resources will come out on top. That being said, just because a guy sinks 80K into his boat doesn't mean he will win a drag race or be the fastest. There are a bunch of $100k boats on the lakes around here and only about 1% could beat me in a drag race or in top end. And on the other end of the spectrum, a guy with a used stv and an old 260(properly set up) would lay waste to my allison grand sport.

Bill

[Liqui-Fly]

Reasoning with a guy that doesn't know his age or occupation is like arguing with liberals. It's pointless...........

[Bulletboy]

You got the last word in. :D

[sho305]

Well I'll whip all you'alls with my bayliner!


Until you get your motor in gear anyway:D :p LOL

[progression22]

I was out of the office for a few day but, now i'm back
Listen up liqui,

your boat is a sport boat not even a speedboat you pissed me off and i will not tell you what i did. I will tell you one thing you might have had a chance with the 250 but now is over. Blaaaaaaaaaa
HAhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahha

[Chummy]

XXXXX:cool:

[progression22]

liqui-fly
he has to find out for himself. It's going to be a very good victory has i beat him by 10 mph with my wife driving the boat!!!!hahahah

[Chummy]

LMAO:D

[PhastBoat]

of a CAR motor, fueled by Bull Chit.

[progression22]

Hey Sam,
Put your money were mouth is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PhastBoat]

Well when I get my 300X with N02 and a blower with twin turbo and forced induction and tight spark plugs then I'll be at least 3 MPH faster then you.
So There!

[blkmtrfan]

progression22 post a pic of the new ride :D

So is the progression for sale ;)

[progression22]

I will make sure i get a pic of phastboat and liquid-fly behind me
I like the boat again so it not for sale right now but an thing is possible!!!!!!! I always take offers

[blkmtrfan]

So its a new motor for the 22 then ;)

Must be a 300x :cool:

[progression22]

I got a new 250 fishing motor and i want to play nice!!!!!!!!!

[Liqui-Fly]

I'd love to beat you with your old boat hahahahahahahaa. I hope you got around 1100 hp....that should run foir about 15 or 20 minutes....then you'll be putting a drive in it the week after that. We've got a new drive and a boix of gears up here. Let me know when you're reaqdy. I hop[e you test drove the thing because I'm sure the owner tagged on the Long Island 15. Once again...the CT River run...I will be there excuse free.

[progression22]

why wait until ct come down here with your sport "slow " boat and i will show you what's it all about

[Liqui-Fly]

I can't wait

[progression22]

so take a trip down this weekend so you could go home all pissed off and you will see me give phastboat a big head start then i will blow by him as he is standing still

[Liqui-Fly]

I'm not done tuning this thing and setting the boat up. See you made a good choicen for yourself. I would imagine that you wouldn't want anything to do with effort. That's o...like I said...no thanks on the salt water.

[progression22]

ok... here it goes.....the chit is getting deep.....still testing.....sure guy... I have only went out once since the '' lil mod " and i will monkey stomp you with the wrong prop and with 3 or 4 people in the boat. So let just hear all your excuses now.... So far we have three

excuses
1, still testing
2, setting up
3, saltwater

let see how many we could get, You started this and now your going to lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Liqui-Fly]

I'm gonna buy this and I'm getting that if I sell this if not I'm gonna and do this and that and the other thing.

When it all boils down what you do or don't do is gonna depend on what you're Daddy decides. So why don't you just zip it and spare us all your pipe dreams. When you actually DO something you let us know what you DID and not what you think you're gonna do.

[Liqui-Fly]

The children are so onvious to spot. They've never been anywhere or done anything but when they're ready, adults are supposed to drop everything and run right down and race them. Blaahahahahahahaha...I mean what are you 2?

[progression22]

what the hell are you talking about you hick....My father never got me anthing in my life. You might have got that want to be speed boat from your father because that's about how old and slow it is. News flash jackass i have the x on the boat and it's comming for you. So go pay someone to set up your slob, oh i'm sorry... i mean... you're boat

[Liqui-Fly]

Are you that stupid that you think that X will be running by the weekend. You got break in time son and lots of it unless of course it's used well then you'll find that anyone who knows anything, knows that nobody sells motors that are good. So maybe you should get that thing on the water first. Find out that you haven't gained a thing and then decise who you want to call out. What do you think you're picking up 20 mph or something? Hello.

[progression22]

oh .... i forgot your a know it all, put up or shut up because the boat was running on saturday. So what do you want to do

[Liqui-Fly]

Man I don't know how many times I have to tell you. The CT River Run. What is your problem with that? You could come to the Romp up here in hick land in a couple of weeks too. I will be at both.

So running this past Satuday. What are your numbers?

[progression22]

Do you really think i'm going to tell you. Blaaaaaaaaaaa HAaaaha
You will just have to find out @ Ct when i take your money. Sucker

[Liqui-Fly]

You need a few bucks or something...sorry man I don't gamble cause I'm too good to take money from stupid people and always pay when a debt is owed so it's a lose lose situation for me. Sticking it in your face from now to eternity is enough for me. We gonna drag race, flying mile, to Hartford and back or what?

[progression22]

I have three letters for u

The only way your going to beat me

STV

[Liqui-Fly]

A freaking STV will go something like 175 mph with my motor on it. No thanks.

[progression22]

if you keep playing with yourself you will go blind.
So now you can beat helmut, ok......i see blaaaa
lol lol lol

[Liqui-Fly]

You really are clueless.

[progression22]

I think the clues are coming to me, You are the type of person
that thinks everything you own is the best and other people chit is chit. look at the bright side you drive a bass boat

[Liqui-Fly]

I think my 1987 Stratos VT Ski is the best there ever was. Hello!!!
A couple of things I do know are that 1. you just described yourself and 2. you will never show up anywhere because you can't back up anything you've ever said or face the music if you're wrong.

[progression22]

I will give you directions to my house and you could ring
by door bell when you want me to kick your boats ass.
I will put the boat in the water to beat that slob ANYTIME!!!!!!
Just remember you keep letting the hot air out of your mouth!!!!

[Liqui-Fly]

You need a tow or something? Sounds to me like I hit the old nail on the head. You'll never show anywhere. I am not sticking my stuff in that nasty water sorry man...whooping on you is not worth busting rust for a week.

[progression22]

listen i saw the pictures of your friends
now i know what's going on.. I know you have
alot of hp and bigger then a 2.5 but i will tell you one thing
I WILL NOT RACE IN FLAT WATER, it for your kind of friends

[skywagon]

Hey Progression and Fly,

Just for the record...how fast are your boats? What has been both of your top speeds?

Bill

[Liqui-Fly]

I really have no idea what you just said but I thought this was a speed arguement. Now all of a sudden it's an ocean adventure. Seems to me you are inserting the ol foot in de ol mouth to me.

Skywagon I honeslty do not know. I should be in the mid 90's atleast but I made a lot of changes this winter. On top of that...programming a fuel curve on a system I've never used before. We shall have to wait and see. The boat ran 85 last year with a 260....I have around 320 this year.

[progression22]

I never said anything about the ocean
stuiped, but i will give you a head start in the rough stuff

[Liqui-Fly]

You spelled stupid wrong. This was about top speed and now you are waffling. Progression Kerry the waffler.

[progression22]

For the record
I went out on sunday with 3 people in the
boat and 3/4 of a tank and i went 88.6 with the trophy
When i switch to the et lighting i should go 95 to 98 by myself

[Liqui-Fly]

That's pretty impressive. Good luck with the changes....see you in October.