Xr-2002

[props4u2]

This may be the last chance to own a brand new 2016 XR-2002, it would be the perfect boat to run in ODBA and DSRA Lake Racer and still have fun at the lake or river when not racing.
A basic white boat on a single axle trailer will be in the mid twenties.

Give me a call to get one on order today.

[jas638]

Like 25 k for all white no lay down seats no gas tank and no trailer

[props4u2]

Like 25 k for all white no lay down seats no gas tank and no trailer

Single axle trailer is included.

Total composite and quality does not come cheap.

[ally2dextreme]

Here we go again.......good luclk Lee,great boat

[allisonriverrat]

There were three ready this year to do it. And just with minimal changes the price got up there. Then the biggest draw back was being told 700 pounds... And yes had to pay extra for all of the interior. Love the boats.. And people that builds them.. Yes they are second to none... But working class people is what keeps this sport alive.. Some times you just have to draw a line .I have seen on several sites before people saying... If you have to borrow money to play in this sport ..... You don't need to be in it!!? Well I say blah blah blah.. Only for the maybe 10 % that can pay cash...... But for the rest of us 90%. Well....... Just had to throw that last in there cause that statement has always been obnoxious. And just for record....... So people will know.. Deck stripes. Wings, and fairing stripes. Hydrolic steering. Small windshield, wiring harness hot foot and cable. Plus extra interior cost I was at 25600 without trailer... Then the weight issue came up... Not saying anything negative at all... But this is way it went.but I wished some deep pockets would order first three to keep them live.... Lol just isn't mine at that cost after every other $$$ in rigging .. .. So good luck Mr. Sanderson.

[levi ledet]

how many has to be ordered to make it happen ?

[allisonriverrat]

3 was always magic number

[props4u2]

Hydraulic steering is included along with two bucket seats, hot foot with cable & 6x71/2" powder coated jack plate.
Special base colors and trim colors are optional.

[Tomanytoys]

Lee, just curious regarding the weight.
Any idea?

[allisonriverrat]

Well i ..can tell you what I was told straight from factory.. Motor weight was a concern of theirs, along with three or four people in boat and was afraid we was going to break them in half.,
Thats why it was 700. Pounds. And I debated 650 pound ssr's were fine with a lot more boat.600 is what I wanted and I was told no guarantee.. No way I putting 28 k in hull and trailer and be 100 pounds heavier.like i said not being negative at all.. That's just truth.

[props4u2]

Lee, just curious regarding the weight.
Any idea?

I would have to guess 600-650lbs. if you look at the SS weight, and it being a larger boat. No way of knowing 100% until one is made with total composite.

Larger engines are always a concern. If someone installed a 3.0L or a four stroke, it would probably sink.

Three boats is the minium, I already have two commitments.

[bullwhipjkg]

would love to have 1 at about 550 ilbs to hang my 15" prostock motor on
solid white would be no big deal either vinyl stripes are cheap
sorry I was dreaming

[patchesII]

No reason at all those boats can't be built in the low 500 lb range. They were built like that for years with old technology glass and layup's. My second one was 515 lbs bare and solid

[StratosVT]

They aren't warranteed are they? If not, why would Allison care what someone hangs on the back? I'd love to have one under 500lbs which should be no problem considering they are building 400lb glass drag boats.

[FishingBen]

Put up the money and they'll get gone. I'll take solid white with orange stripes and wing tips. :-)

[allisonriverrat]

Well I'll had money in hand, so did. John and Timmy... And you are right patches.... No reason why not .. But noone was on phone hearing what i was being told... I wasn't being a test goat for no one. My money comes hard. And there was no non sence about 3.0 and 4 strokes being discussed.. Was told that a 2.5 was to much motor for that boat that why he wanted 700#. Now with that said i hope they do get built. That way after that
someone should be able to order just one if they want it. Cause molds will be returned and ready for another..

[patchesII]

A 2.5 is too much motor for it??? Is that what Allison said???

[allisonriverrat]

Erik .. Yes... And this is last time I will post on this thread.. NOT trying to be negative.!!! Dont think anyone loves allison boats more than me other than my dauhhter Allison!!?!Just stating what happened in our deal.. Said that that boat was built in early 80's around 2.0 liter. .. Then I debated about Mr Reynolds and 2.4 liter and world record...and there wasn't hardly any difference between 2.4 and 2.5 weight to matter.. Said he was just afraid with a 2.5 and 3 or 4/people in boat we was going to break them in half. I said y'all have 30 year old 500/pounders that are still running. Agreed. But said that was just way it was going to be. No! Guareentee on weight.

[Michael J Giesler]

Lee you got me thinking but i would want race cable pulley steering like Bill's and but would have to be 550-600 pounds but Lee i am glade you are trying i will think about it and let you know

[perfmarine1]

This may be the last chance to own a brand new 2016 XR-2002, it would be the perfect boat to run in ODBA and DSRA Lake Racer and still have fun at the lake or river when not racing.
A basic white boat on a single axle trailer will be in the mid twenties.

Give me a call to get one on order today.

And this is what Daris is worried about. When someone gets killed on the race track it is not a big issue, but when someone gets killed out on the lake/river then people end up in lawsuits.

I can not believe how much they have gone up. I bought one from Daris back in 86 for $8600 with trailor, seats and steering/cable. He was not happy when he ask me what I was putting on it and I told him a modded 235 crossflow. When I told him I was going to race it only,cuz I had a hydrostream vulture for pleasure, he seemed relieved. Boat was 550# ran just over 100. With a good 2.5 modded you are talking 120mph+ and that gets dangreous in a V bottom. Boat came with a max HP plate of 140HP. This is why he says a 2.5 is too much for that hull.

[freeebird]

I'd love to have another XR2002, but I really don't understand all the fuss over installing a 2.5 on one unless it was built really, really light... even if you load it up with four people. I mean seriously, how many XR's have you seen lately that weren't running 2.5's? That's what I had on mine, and it was a 260.

As for the horsepower ratings on any Allison over 20', those are just their recommended HP ratings as there is no USCG maximum restriction once you pass 20'. If that weren't the case, none of us could buy insurance on our 20's or 21's if we went over that number. As best I recall, when I bought my first SS20 back in '82, I could go as much as 400HP before State Farm raised an eyebrow. My guess is that they lowball the ratings just to keep inexperienced people from hurting themselves, and yes, to avoid potential lawsuits.

Seems to me this would be pretty simple. If you want a lighter layup for race purposes only, just sign a release of liability and have at it. Did they not build these boats with different layup schedules/deck reinforcement when they were in production?

[RED ALERT]

I can't blame Darris, with all the b.s. regs, lawsuits etc.
Boating is one of the last frontiers and it's fading fast.

[patchesII]

They're building 420 lb XR2001's. Don't see the difference that would warrant 250 lbs of extra material

[freeebird]

Not much way to put 4 people in a XR2001 if that's the concern.

[jas638]

Well I'll had money in hand, so did. John and Timmy... And you are right patches.... No reason why not .. But noone was on phone hearing what i was being told... I wasn't being a test goat for no one. My money comes hard. And there was no non sence about 3.0 and 4 strokes being discussed.. Was told that a 2.5 was to much motor for that boat that why he wanted 700#. Now with that said i hope they do get built. That way after that
someone should be able to order just one if they want it. Cause molds will be returned and ready for another..

tony speaks the absolute truth, and we all had the funds ready !

[RNM018]

Lee , Wish i could swing one of these Xr 02's !
I'd love to have a Brand New Xr ride boat , that I wouldn't have to be worried about when the weather turned bad on the big lake .
Reality is , a 550 to 600 lbs lake boat , is a perfect lay up .
If you want a Race Boat , buy a Race Boat !

Rich Martin 018

[JWTjr.]

While some may not like it, the fact is that these are Darris' molds, he created them, and it is his decision whether or not to sell boats from them or not, and how those boats will be sold. It's not like he's misleading anyone. He's being clear about the conditions and the price. So if you want one, buy one under those conditions and at that price, or don't and forget about getting one exactly the way you want it at the price you want it because that's not going to happen. Why do so many threads seem to turn into pissing contests and bitch fests? In a steadily, rapidly declining market where there are not even any new high performance engines that will fit this boat well, Allison is offering a chance to own one of the most favorite hulls in their production history. What's to complain about?

[Brack]

That's exactly what I was thinking John,

[Baitman]

That's exactly what I was thinking John,

i ended up with the 003 2002 built for mod vp triple ccc evinrude powered. not certain but seems like it was 1982. we were told weight was between 420 and 450 no nothing else. I hung a 1996 stock 2,5 offshore mid and it was like a nitros blast from the past. it eventually tore the tramson loose but hell it was our fault. ive never had an Allison come apart but I don't put 5 people in and jump waves at 80 mph either.darris builds as fine a boat as anyone in the land and it shows not wanting to take a chance on breakage of any type.the 2002 is by far the best driving v bottom I have ever sat my butt in baitman ops red wiggerlyer out

[Scott Gilmore]

Hey Lee...........aren't you glad you posted this ?? Scott :D

[BarryStrawn]

Back to the original post, would an XR2002 really be the perfect boat to run in ODBA and DSRA Lake Racer? Are there some racing now?

It is a great old hull design. I still have my old "race" model from 1983 and have never been tempted to change. The recommended max HP plate on mine says 75-115 so this isn't exactly a new policy.

[props4u2]

Hey Lee...........aren't you glad you posted this ?? Scott :D


:thumbsup: I am.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[LongShot]

Hope it works out Lee. A 650 pound lake boat would be perfect. Anyone who buys one to really use would appreciate the extra lbs. on a rough water day. I have a 1986 and a 1994. The 1994 has the composite transom and aluminum insert. Both boats are stress cracked. Both boats are very light lay up with heavy print in the cap. Both are under 550 pounds. I would not hesitate to put a 300 Drag on either one and not worry one second about structural integrity. The 650 pound boat is just going to look so much nicer as far as finish goes. An XB 2002 that weighs 800 pounds will run an average driver out of talent and the XR2002 will be quicker, pad is 1" wider, and faster than the bass boat. Everything is a compromise. I have not seen the perfect boat yet. Give 4 people and a 300XS on a rough water day and they could probably break an anvil in half.

[bigtis]

XR2002 will be quicker, pad is 1" wider, and faster than the bass boat. what xr2002 pad you measuring? Lmao... You suppose to be he wise one Dave lol.

xb02 and xr02 pads are the same width. Xr01 pads are 1.5" less. And the Xtb21 pads are 2" wider than the xb02/03.

the xr02 pad has a flatter profile than the xb02 but both are the same width at about 10.75-11" depending on where meassured from on the strake.

Xtb 21 is going to be 12.75-13" depending on point of measure.

Wamna say the drag is 9.5-9.75"

[LongShot]

Sorry about that Tis. Meant to say an inch wider than the XR2001. Probably the only mistake I will ever make....:) Actually the XB2002 is 10-3/4 and the XR 2002 is 11". Thinking maybe there was some difference in widths of old Drag and new Drag. but would not want to guess!! I will measure my XTB and XST tomorrow just for chits and giggles. I will also profile the XR2002 pad vs the XB2002. Have not paid any attention to that.

[Michael J Giesler]

Lee i hope this works i would think for lake racer a 260-280's would be a good ticket or a 200ros xs for green class plus you could still river run with it

[bigtis]

The xb02 and xr02 pad are the same width Dave. If either is 1/8-1/4 wider odds are because its been blueprinted and had material added. The Xb has more of a rounded pad versus the xr being a tad flatter. But hard to notice unless they're sitting side by side.

[LongShot]

When you are measuring pads on 20 year old boats anything is possible. I have 2 XB2002's and 2 XR2002's sitting side by side by side by side. Best way to check them is a tool I use to transfer shapes.

Sorry Lee, did not mean to high jack thread. Peace out.

[props4u2]

When you are measuring pads on 20 year old boats anything is possible. I have 2 XB2002's and 2 XR2002's sitting side by side by side by side. Best way to check them is a tool I use to transfer shapes.

Sorry Lee, did not mean to high jack thread. Peace out.

No problem here Dave.

[bigtis]

We keeping his thread to the top Dave with knowledge lmao

[Da Bull]

Back in the mid 1980`s we raced marathon`s with Lasers, Performance Eagles and so on with 225 Yamaha Excel`s. Min weight was 1800lbs with two men and an empty tank. Add 75 gallon`s of fuel and that`s what we raced with. We thought we were fast until the Allison XR-2002`s showed up. They had about 5mph on us but we all said they would never hold up carrying that much weight. We was wrong! They did hold up and soon were unbeatable.

I don`t think construction is the problem. I believe it`s the speed and liability factor. One only has to reference the Rapid Craft Riot law suit to figure that out.

As for the BIA HP rating system 20ft and up is considered unlimited unless the manufacturer label`s it with a lower figure. In that case you cannot go over the rated hp.

DB

[tblanchard]

Well guys 6 months ago I was ready but like river rat said they would not guarantee anything weight was the deal breaker and the most Important thing to darris was new engine weights I talked to him a couple of weeks ago while picking up a new drag it's almost like they do not want to build them but if the money was right they would

[StratosVT]

How much $$$ does it take to get a boat like you want it??? $ for quality is already built into prices for all their boats so how much extra does it take to get one like I want it (light weight & custom one off color) vs what they sell as stock because it's easy?

[Michael J Giesler]

Man i may have to call you this week Lee i am thinking really hard about this this would make a nice lake racer boat easy

[jas638]

i would love to see one of these built again

[ally2dextreme]

Lee do you have your three?

[props4u2]

Still two.

Are you interested in being #3 ? :)

[props4u2]

Any one?

[LongShot]

Lee I have two. One with factory composite transom or I would be on your list. I still think the boat could be built and sold for significantly less money but I guess I am out of touch with the market for sport boats. Who else even makes a 20' outboard sport boat now? The boats, if built, will hold their value forever.

[scj]

I'll be the third. Let me know when you need the deposit..............

[skewby]

steve if you end up with one i just hope i get a ride in it.

[scj]

Sure thing Skewby!
I'm trying my best to motivate everyone to get the ball rolling a little quicker.

[props4u2]

Steve is number three.

[ally2dextreme]

Steve is number three.
So there going to build an orange one ? Lol...Great job Lee !

[evinrudejohnson]

Wow I can wait to see these !

[scj]

So there going to build an orange one ? Lol...Great job Lee !

Yes, all orange except one thing which I'll have to clear with the Allison's as I've never seen it before on their boats.

[ally2dextreme]

Awesome can't wait to see it!...

[cody620]

cant wait to see a Orange xr

[AZMIDLYF]

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[whipper]

Great read and congrats on the 3! i thought the price seemed very low but Im from up north were we are used to paying tripple for everything you guys have down south. Also isnt that the same hull Glenn went 132 with a 2.4 in? Hence what ya need a 2.5 for. :D

[jas638]

not being a debbie downer , but i am just curious? has any of the three seen the build sheet with all the prices ? and what it adds up to for a full interior boat with color and wingtips and or stripes rigged less gas tank? i had one and can't find it ,just wondering if prices have gone up since .

[LongShot]

not being a debbie downer , but i am just curious? has any of the three seen the build sheet with all the prices ? and what it adds up to for a full interior boat with color and wingtips and or stripes rigged less gas tank? i had one and can't find it ,just wondering if prices have gone up since .
Doesn't matter if you want a piece of history. Ask Gohr.

[jas638]

Doesn't matter if you want a piece of history. Ask Gohr.

no chit dave , thats why i bought a 24 skater

[jas638]

no chit dave , thats why i bought a 24 skaterthose won't be made again. if they make new xr02 they aren't history any more ;) and at that weight they won't be near as fast as Reynolds so therefore kinda not history but a new story not as fast as the old one. jmo

[LongShot]

Just sayin'. The boats, if built, will appreciate from year one. I have a factory 1994 composite transom and money to buy it would be stupid

[LongShot]

those won't be made again. if they make new xr02 they aren't history any more ;) and at that weight they won't be near as fast as Reynolds so therefore kinda not history but a new story not as fast as the old one. jmo
Have you driven one?

[jas638]

Just sayin'. The boats, if built, will appreciate from year one. I have a factory 1994 composite transom and money to buy it would be stupid
Dave ,only if you have "that" disease. and you saying the hulls would appreciate thats a pretty heavy prediction . there is always depreciation value in a new boat then a level off point where they hold their value ,allisons are great made that is why there a pretty safe investment ,but if the boats are made and made from here on it will cause a greater depreciation value of used boats even most recent new boats made and older classics ,even the later model classics like yours . the only way i could see these boats appreciating from year one like you say is if they made 3 ,the last three and broke the molds. then there would be 5 because you and i would have to have one. jmo

[jas638]

Have you driven one?
yeah i drove an 88 comp and and 87 both had 2.4 bridge ports ,the guys were brothers . they always said how hard they were to drive .bunk! easiest boat i ever drove.

[LongShot]

You also have the disease!!! And I would like to have a 24 Skater. I think patience is in order. When the first one is picked up from the factory several diehards will need Kleenex. Lots of Kleenex!!!

[LongShot]

By the way John. The boats are an absolute hoot to drive. They sit down from speed much better than a Drag boat. And they have room for a soft tail and cooler.

[jas638]

You also have the disease!!! And I would like to have a 24 Skater. I think patience is in order. When the first one is picked up from the factory several diehards will need Kleenex. Lots of Kleenex!!!

o for sure i would love to have a new xr, i went skater cause of bay traffic , and not haven to pick and choose my days as much . i still can't wait to new a brand new xr02 it will be a great day. nice shooting the fat with ya , gotta hit the sack .night my friend.

[jas638]

By the way John. The boats are an absolute hoot to drive. They sit down from speed much better than a Drag boat. And they have room for a soft tail and cooler.

hey ,when yur ready for a New one ,i buy the 94. i got a nice ss260 drag for it ;)

[LongShot]

Yes sir. Water conditions do dictate usage. Sad but true. Even down here.

[LongShot]

By the way, my first drive was a 1988 with carbed BP. I was eternally hooked. Could not believe the sensitivity of the boat. I could move my left foot to port and the boat would lean!! Darris' biggest fear is the weight of the motors that might be hung on them. They were designed for 375 pounds on the transom. They need 12" set ups.

[scj]

If they do build them, there will probably only be five as that's how many transoms are leftover from years prior. Not sure if they would build any after these are gone as they want these to be 60th anniversary models.
Darris is definitely concerned about the engine weight though so hopefully, he'll relax and produce them.
Lee will be at Jasper next weekend so if you might be interested, look him up.

[LongShot]

Had a really long conversation with Darris last week and we discussed motors, weight and availability of a suitable package for that boat and others of similar weight and length. I am getting with Greg to see ho we can use this forum to advance the idea to Mercury. Darris has laid the ground work. If they could sell 100 of them I am betting they would come up with more transom grids.....:cheers:

[scj]

Had a really long conversation with Darris last week and we discussed motors, weight and availability of a suitable package for that boat and others of similar weight and length. I am getting with Greg to see ho we can use this forum to advance the idea to Mercury. Darris has laid the ground work. If they could sell 100 of them I am betting they would come up with more transom grids.....:cheers:

Met with Darris today and he gave several reasons why it's a tough decision to build these but he said he will build them. When asked if after the first three, would he continue to offer them, his answer was "yes".

I specifically told him I do "not" want mine built light, I want it built to last indefinitely for my big ass to play out on the lake, whatever the conditions are..........:D

[LongShot]

Good deal. I will sell my 1994 and buy a new one. Solid white. Sell of 1994 will be contingent on the new ones being produced. Will want string steering on mine as it will get a 12" mid.

[whipper]

​Ive never driven one but everyone like you guys say they are great to drive fun fun fun... i would think as far as new power goes this would be the ticket!! OptiMax 200XS SST at only 300lbs with a 12 inch mid they would be peeeerrrrfictttt. The only thing that might be tough is the ssm case? But since the XR has great lift already would the ssm case be a bad thing ya think? also can you swap out the SSM for a SM or any of the 2.5 cases like a cut down 200 modded case like the older 2.5,s?

im looking forward to the 222ft GS personally for the same reasons as Jas went with the Skater. Darris has got the go fast hull and looks doun to a T regardless of size these days. Almost to a falt? As he always seems to be concerned greatly as to what power some may clamp on the back of one of his latest hulls. Ive heard even the 222 is so fast with a 250xs that he worries that with the a 300xs inexperienced drivers will get them selves in trouble well into triple digits. I wonder what it would take to be able to hang a 200xs on an XR without Darris worring as much about it. There 430 lbs but what a sweet combo if the new hulls can be tweeked just enough to handle well with one without sacrificing the whole point of owning one.

[scj]

The SST is left hand output. The ROS requires a different trim assembly off a regular 2.5 so that puts that in the way too expensive category as you would have more in the engine than in the boat.
The engine will be a tough one but they're out there. I'm pretty sure Lee has enough pieces and parts laying around to assemble something that'll propel an XR..............

[LongShot]

Getting the proper motor package for the new XR2002 and all light weight 18-21' boats out there needing re-powered is a campaign that everyone on this website, and others, will need, and get a chance to be involved in. I am soliciting help from Greg and have not heard back from him yet but I am sure I will. It can happen, not saying it will, but we will need to throw everything we have at it. The parts and pieces are available. No engineering really needed. Maybe some badging/stickers. We need a 200XS consumer motor with Sportmaster, solid mounts, 3 year warranty in 20" and 15" versions. Mercury is listening. Darris is OK with 435 lbs.

[Michael J Giesler]

The sst 200 12" can take a 200 case or sporty just cut the drive shaft down as for the ros 15" motor just switch out the trim ram drag racers will snap them up in a second if enough people want it mercury will build it check with Jimmy Hensley and Chris Fairchild they are the go to guys for this i hope this helps

[scj]

The sst 200 12" can take a 200 case or sporty just cut the drive shaft down as for the ros 15" motor just switch out the trim ram drag racers will snap them up in a second if enough people want it mercury will build it check with Jimmy Hensley and Chris Fairchild they are the go to guys for this i hope this helps


Thanks!
What direction will the prop spin on an SST with a sportmaster?

[LongShot]

Thanks!
What direction will the prop spin on an SST with a sportmaster?
All the 12" stuff is great but you get stuck with the one time a year production run, changing trim rams, paying up front, modifying and chopping up a $25K motor, IF, you can even get one. We are talking about a 200XS powerhead on a production platform, with Sportmaster, with solid mounts and a 15" model available if need be. Mercury factory dealers not just Mercury racers and a price tag comparable to a 250XS Sport. It is doable. Working right now on the right way to gather all the input from users to get with Mercury.

[BarryStrawn]

The Optimax 200XS ROS comes with all that but the warranty, price , and regular dealer availability. I suppose it is only paperwork to make it a legal consumer engine. Retails around $18,000 and I don't see how Mercury would cut the price and add the warranty. If dozens of lake racers start trying to buy the ROS outboards, that would be persuasive for them to bring a consumer model to market.

[1BadAction]

Thanks!
What direction will the prop spin on an SST with a sportmaster?
The SST optimax motors are normal rotation powerheads, so it would spin right with a RH sporty. The SSM IVs the SSTs are sold with are unique, in that they are RH in and LH out, so you can use the "normal" tunnel boat props with a RH powerhead.

[StratosVT]

The Optimax 200XS ROS comes with all that but the warranty, price , and regular dealer availability. I suppose it is only paperwork to make it a legal consumer engine. Retails around $18,000 and I don't see how Mercury would cut the price and add the warranty. If dozens of lake racers start trying to buy the ROS outboards, that would be persuasive for them to bring a consumer model to market.

Isn't the 200xs just a direct injected steel sleeve fishing motor with a little better porting & some basic hipo parts. A different fuel map should make it a warranteed motor no? Problem solved!

[LongShot]

The Optimax 200XS ROS comes with all that but the warranty, price , and regular dealer availability. I suppose it is only paperwork to make it a legal consumer engine. Retails around $18,000 and I don't see how Mercury would cut the price and add the warranty. If dozens of lake racers start trying to buy the ROS outboards, that would be persuasive for them to bring a consumer model to market.
They have short trim ram, are made once a year and you have to make a sizable deposit up front and you still might not get one. The last one I saw bought went for $23k and then had to have the trim ram changed out for a bass boat. Not what I would call a consumer friendly motor. Yet you can buy a 250 XS Sport with factory warranty, Sportmaster and solid mounts for $15,500. Mercury can build a consumer 200XS with warranty and sell it for $15K, with solid mounts.

[scj]

Looking for a full length windshield to buy or borrow so I can have one made. Nancy said they're only offering the single console windshield like offered on the XB-2002 for the new 2015 XR-2002's.
The picture attached has the windshield like I'm looking for.

PM me please if you have one I can buy or borrow.

Thanks!

329190

[LongShot]

Windshields for the older models are an issue. Waiting on one for my XTB 21. I have a windshield for the side by side seating arrangement XR2002.

[scj]

Dave,

Are you going to Jasper this weekend? I'll be there.
If you are interested in selling, I'm very interested.

[ally2dextreme]

I would think they would call these 2016 xr2002

[scj]

My order form says 2015

There will be a handful of 60th Anniversary Models made before the 2016's are produced.
Lee has the order forms with all the info and pricing.............

[ally2dextreme]

I can see the tie in but its October, I would say its a little late to call it a 15,I guess 20 years from now a 60th would be worth more than a 16....

[LongShot]

Dave,

Are you going to Jasper this weekend? I'll be there.
If you are interested in selling, I'm very interested.
Not interested n selling....could be used as a pattern. I have my XTB-21 windshield at the factory now waiting on getting new ones made.

[scj]

I can see the tie in but its October, I would say its a little late to call it a 15,I guess 20 years from now a 60th would be worth more than a 16....

You have a good point:


Model Year: This has been much discussed by boat manufacturers, dealers, and engine manufacturers as well as by the Coast Guard and the States.

As far as I am aware the only law requiring a model year designation is the Hull Identification Number (http://newboatbuilders.com/pages/hin.html) regulations. Most boat manufacturers give their boats a model year and make changes to their model lines every year. However, small businesses generally don't make many changes from year to year and some never change their boats except to make improvements that are necessary. Most often these changes are not obvious and are in the actual structure rather than the appearance of the boat. So these builders often don't want to declare a model year. There are even some large boat builders who do this. Grand Banks rarely makes changes to their boats and a 1990 looks exactly like a 2000. They have in the past objected to putting a model year on their boats. So why use model year?
First is your customer. Customers like to know when a boat is new, or not. They like to know what model year it is. Model Year is not terribly important if you never change the boat, but if you make changes then it is.
Second, most states require a model year on the registration. But, this model year is taken right from the Hull Identification Number.
Recently engine manufacturers have been discussing not using a model year. Mainly this is so boat dealers can put a engine on a boat without worrying about whether the engine is the same model year as the boat, as long as it is new. However, the serial number of the engine would still be able to reveal the year of manufacture so there would be no confusion over parts numbers. A new model would be manufactured when a major change was made to the engine. This may work for engines but it is not as practical for boats.
The biggest problem with model year is a sales and inventory problem. If you have a boat in inventory from last year, and it has never been sold, is it a "New" boat or is it last years model? The HIN law says that you can't change the HIN once the boat enters interstate commerce. This means when it has been sold, or shipped to a dealer. But as long as it is still at the factory the builder is free to put whatever model year in the HIN that they wish. However, this can run into a problem with state registration if the model year is more than one year removed from the date of manufacture. So be cautious if you do this. After the boat leaves the factory, it becomes illegal to change the model year. A dealer, manufacturer or anyone else CAN NOT change a Hull Identification Number to update the model year no matter how long the boat sits on his lot. The Federal regulation requires that permission be obtained from the Coast Guard to make any alteration to the HIN. Also, a dealer or seller cannot misrepresent an older model as a current model year boat because most states would consider this consumer fraud. They can however state that it is a "New" boat as long as this is true.
When does a model year begin or end? As of 2009 the US Coast Guard began enforcing the model year regulation as it is written:
Model year means the period beginning August 1 of any year and ending on July 31 of the following year. Each model year is designated by the year in which it ends. Title 33 Code Of Federal Regulations Chapter I Part 181.3.
So Model year begins on August 1st and ends on July 31. Example: Model Year 2012 would begin August 1, 2011, and end July 31, 2012.
Prior to this the US Coast Guard had been allowing manufacturers to determine the model year. So older boats may have a different model year span than new boats. But new boats must use the definition as stated above. For the rules, go to the page on HINs. (http://newboatbuilders.com/pages/hin.html)

[whipper]

Looking for a full length windshield to buy or borrow so I can have one made. Nancy said they're only offering the single console windshield like offered on the XB-2002 for the new 2015 XR-2002's.
The picture attached has the windshield like I'm looking for.

PM me please if you have one I can buy or borrow.



Thanks!

329190

OMG that XR is simply outrageously beautiful!!! WOW i love the looks and layout these boats!!!

[whipper]

BTW was there any XR2002,s that had zero wood? Maybe after 90 ?

[patchesII]

No. They all had wood, like the Drag boats

[ally2dextreme]

I believe there was one or two composites made,I believe the last one in 96 was..

[whipper]

Right i seem to recall an all composite XR02 not that you mentioned it thanks.

im taking it that the new 2015-16 model will also be all composite?

[ally2dextreme]

Right i seem to recall an all composite XR02 not that you mentioned it thanks.

im taking it that the new 2015-16 model will also be all composite?

Yes ,the floor as well

[LongShot]

I think there will be wood in the new ones unless ordered without. I have a 1994 that had factory aluminum grid/composite transom but stringers, floors and knee braces are wood.

[props4u2]

I think there will be wood in the new ones unless ordered without. I have a 1994 that had factory aluminum grid/composite transom but stringers, floors and knee braces are wood.

As Dave stated, the composite part was only the transom.

Darris is building a floor mold now to make the floor composite. The stringers will also be composite.
In other words, these will be the first total composite XR-2002's.

[JWTjr.]

Kudos to you and Darris, Lee, for getting this done. Congrats to the buyers too. Really nice to see.

[LongShot]

Thanks for clearing that up Lee. Last year when it was being batted around all composite was an option. Can they be bought without a trailer?

[Brian Harden]

Thanks for clearing that up Lee. Last year when it was being batted around all composite was an option. Can they be bought without a trailer?

Dave, yes they can be bought without a trailer but the delete option is no where close to what the cost of the trailer is.

[scj]

Dave, yes they can be bought without a trailer but the delete option is no where close to what the cost of the trailer is.

$2200 delete option.

[LongShot]

$2200 delete option.
Thinking maybe that could be massaged a bit......what does a new Boatmate single axle channel trailer sell for?

[ally2dextreme]

A lot more than $2200

[FishingBen]

Solid White with Orange Stripes and Wingtips.

[jas638]

in one of my few phone conversations with darris, i was told "the molds are 30 plus years old ,i feel that building an all white boat will be better because it will show less imperfections" he would not guarantee the straitness of the boat .i wanted mine all red at first, then after this decided it would be white with lime green stripes and black wing tips ,then was told it would be 600$-800$ extra just for the color (cause they said it was custom)on top of the cost option to do the stripes and black wing tips, and extra $ to put the color in the seats to match. lol and yes composite was an option too. also the trailer thing is ridiculous ,they taking off half of what the trailer costs. dave you might need hot stones to massage that ,i tried they wouldn't budge.

guys , good luck i hope it happens but its gonna be 30k or more by the time you get what ya want and get done with the rig. and i felt it was caveat emptor on the finish of the hull. i just couldn't rationalize that kind of money for that boat no matter how it was made. i wanna see a new one built as bad as any one just wasn't worth it to me.i am posting this for the sole purpose to educate people not to bash or hate.

[jas638]

why hasn't anyone asked for a copy of the build sheet with prices to be posted . is it some kind of secret document ???? i wish i still had mine i would post it.

[LongShot]

If it comes down to a new XR2002 or a used XB21 I might have to keep my used XR2002. That new bass boat is impressive.

[ally2dextreme]

in one of my few phone conversations with darris, i was told "the molds are 30 plus years old ,i feel that building an all white boat will be better because it will show less imperfections" he would not guarantee the straitness of the boat .i wanted mine all red at first, then after this decided it would be white with lime green stripes and black wing tips ,then was told it would be 600$-800$ extra just for the color (cause they said it was custom)on top of the cost option to do the stripes and black wing tips, and extra $ to put the color in the seats to match. lol and yes composite was an option too. also the trailer thing is ridiculous ,they taking off half of what the trailer costs. dave you might need hot stones to massage that ,i tried they wouldn't budge.

guys , good luck i hope it happens but its gonna be 30k or more by the time you get what ya want and get done with the rig. and i felt it was caveat emptor on the finish of the hull. i just couldn't rationalize that kind of money for that boat no matter how it was made. i wanna see a new one built as bad as any one just wasn't worth it to me.i am posting this for the sole purpose to educate people not to bash or hate.

I would say that is probably right on for there cost on the trailer,we couldn't buy one for that but he has bought 1000s,hate to hear this,I guess guys should have jumped on them when I was going to be selling them for $18,500 ten years ago

[scj]

Solid White with Orange Stripes and Wingtips.

Stop by and fill out the order form

[scj]

why hasn't anyone asked for a copy of the build sheet with prices to be posted . is it some kind of secret document ???? i wish i still had mine i would post it.

Lee posted the price earlier in the thread and after I built mine on the spread sheet, his price back to me on the contract was spot on. I have several options including all custom paint plus a $2000 adder for a deluxe tandem axle trailer and I'm very pleased with the price. It's not his listed price but with $5k in options, I didn't expect it to be.
And, all composite it is not an option, it's standard now for the new 2016 XR-2002's.

If you want a order form, call Lee.

[scj]

in one of my few phone conversations with darris, i was told "the molds are 30 plus years old ,i feel that building an all white boat will be better because it will show less imperfections" he would not guarantee the straitness of the boat .i wanted mine all red at first, then after this decided it would be white with lime green stripes and black wing tips ,then was told it would be 600$-800$ extra just for the color (cause they said it was custom)on top of the cost option to do the stripes and black wing tips, and extra $ to put the color in the seats to match. lol and yes composite was an option too. also the trailer thing is ridiculous ,they taking off half of what the trailer costs. dave you might need hot stones to massage that ,i tried they wouldn't budge.

guys , good luck i hope it happens but its gonna be 30k or more by the time you get what ya want and get done with the rig. and i felt it was caveat emptor on the finish of the hull. i just couldn't rationalize that kind of money for that boat no matter how it was made. i wanna see a new one built as bad as any one just wasn't worth it to me.i am posting this for the sole purpose to educate people not to bash or hate.

I believe Darris is very forthcoming on what someone is to expect when they purchase a boat that is going to be built out of a 32 year old mold. He places disclaimers on the order form and will give you reasons why you should be cautious. I have gotten to know the Allison's pretty well over the last year and they are harder on themselves than anyone. They're offering these boats to satisfy a demand and that's it. It's going to take a lot of effort on their part to build these 100% composite which, I am willing to pay for as I just do not want wood in the structure regardless of the weight penalty.

If you are wanting one of these boats, there is nothing you should have to beware of or feel you're at risk since everything is disclosed. FWIW, when I look at the molds, they look like perfection but to Darris, he spent hundreds (thousands possibly) of hours designing them so he sees the things 99.9% of us would never see therefore the disclosure. That's about as honest as a person can be IMO.

[JWTjr.]

Darris is being straightforward. When I was at HydroStream, there were several molds that had produced so many boats and seen so much thermal and chemical reaction activity that it took us as much time to repair the imperfections in the parts as it did to actually build the boats. A boat that would take us 35 hours to build took another 35 to make it look right. So I can see Darris' concern.

[whipper]

im so happy for you guys that are buying a 2016 Allison XR2002!! If i could have I would be having one made also. They are my favorite layout inside with the center steer and side loungers! One day thats how I would want my GS inside also. I know after some passes and im waiting for the lake to clear up and chilling the bench seat works for relaxing but im sure not as comfy as those recliners look!! :cheers:

Congrats on making this happen and bringing back one of the finest 100 mph 20ft sport Vees ever made!! :cheers:

[jas638]

im so happy for you guys that are buying a 2016 Allison XR2002!! If i could have I would be having one made also. They are my favorite layout inside with the center steer and side loungers! One day thats how I would want my GS inside also. I know after some passes and im waiting for the lake to clear up and chilling the bench seat works for relaxing but im sure not as comfy as those recliners look!! :cheers:

Congrats on making this happen and bringing back one of the finest 100 mph 20ft sport Vees ever made!! :cheers:

Have all the deposits been taken by Allison ? they wanted 10k per hull to start . unless the deposits have been made its not happening yet ;)

[jas638]

Darris is being straightforward. When I was at HydroStream, there were several molds that had produced so many boats and seen so much thermal and chemical reaction activity that it took us as much time to repair the imperfections in the parts as it did to actually build the boats. A boat that would take us 35 hours to build took another 35 to make it look right. So I can see Darris' concern.

john , there was no concern... he said once the deposit is taken and the build starts how it comes out is how it comes out. i thought holy crap what do i do if i show up after driving 16 hrs and taking time off work add that to the price and i get there and its wavy as hell? these were all the concerns of mine ,not his.... like i said good luck i hope they come out great . i just didn't wanna be the guinea pig. peace!

[ally2dextreme]

john , there was no concern... he said once the deposit is taken and the build starts how it comes out is how it comes out. i thought holy crap what do i do if i show up after driving 16 hrs and taking time off work add that to the price and i get there and its wavy as hell? these were all the concerns of mine ,not his.... like i said good luck i hope they come out great . i just didn't wanna be the guinea pig. peace!

You obviously don't know the Allison's,anything they let leave the factory would be better than anyone would expect, IT may not look like a new mold but it would be more than exceptiable

[LongShot]

Why don't we just wait to see how things go in the next 2 months. All questions will be answered or all questions will still need to be asked......again. I think the questions will be answered......

[jas638]

You obviously don't know the Allison's,anything they let leave the factory would be better than anyone would expect, IT may not look like a new mold but it would be more than exceptiable

i know that every ally boat i ever saw was mint, and i played tennis with the worry that the boat would be less than that .it was a hard decision to not take the gamble. but like i said brand-new and no guarantees. lets see if these get done and how they turn out. i am sure there will be plenty of pictures . i hope they are mint and i still want one. so good hope and lets see. :)

[scj]

Shouldn't be long now as I believe all three orders are finalized.
Something that I'm excited about; Darris is developing a console for an option on the XR's. It's going to allow a "command center" type touch display unit in the console in lieu of all the gauges along the dash.

No more worries about a windscreen now...........my short conversation with him about it yesterday was that it's something that could be retrofitted onto any older XR-2002 as well. I think the console is an excellent idea as I'm tall and having a console in front of me is a huge benefit for wind protection. I think it's also needed to compliment the looks of the rear cowling on the XR.

If all goes well, I should be able to give it to myself for a Christmas present :D

[Michael J Giesler]

Keep us updated and a big thanks to Lee Sanderson for making sure these Allison were pulled out of retirement and not destroyed

[scj]

Have all the deposits been taken by Allison ? they wanted 10k per hull to start . unless the deposits have been made its not happening yet ;)

I'd like to clarify; unless you want a special color or some sort of odd arrangement of colors, the deposit is $5k.

[props4u2]

This is a done deal. There will be 2016 XR-2002's built. :D

[HPjoker]

Congrats Lee, glad to hear you and the guys that really wanted these boats are getting them built!!. Can wait to drive it!!!

[Corona Mike]

This is a done deal. There will be 2016 XR-2002's built. :D

Good Deal Lee!!:thumbsup::thumbsup: Anyone Whe Has Watched Darris Build Boats Should Know That ANYTHING!! That Comes Out Of That Factory Is Much Better Than Other Boat Builders "Show-Pieces":eek::D So, There Is No Need To Worry About The Quality! Now, If I Just Wasn't So Close To Retirement....;);)

[jas638]

This is a done deal. There will be 2016 XR-2002's built. :D
Congrats on this project.
What was the average on the build costs ,all said and done ?

[props4u2]

Congrats on this project.
What was the average on the build costs ,all said and done ?

Give me a call or E-mail so we can talk about what options you would want added. The prices vary due to options, needless to say.

[scj]

Approved my color chip yesterday. Probably two weeks out on the gel................

[props4u2]

Still taking orders.

Order now to have one ready to go in the Spring.

[LongShot]

I was down at the factory Tuesday. They were working on patterns for the composite floors, knee braces and stringers. The new owners will be very happy folks especially if they hang a cherry 15" 280 SS on one of them....or get one without steering , go Wintech steering and 12" mid. Maybe factory Drag powerhead and XR 6 case. I know someone that has all those parts and pieces.

[props4u2]

I see someone named Dave has those items for sale.
Maybe he needs a new XR instead of selling parts off. :D

[JWTjr.]

Lee, really nice work pulling this off. You are without a doubt one of Allison's best dealers.

[patchesII]

I see someone named Dave has those items for sale.
Maybe he needs a new XR instead of selling parts off. :D

I can't think if anybody that needs one more than Dave. Then he wouldn't have to worry about the arduous task of selling all that junk :D

[LongShot]

If I had Lee or Erik's money I would have ordered 5 just to have gotten them made 3-4 years ago!!!!!:cheers: Us poor hillbillies have to stick with hand me down stuff. Hoping to have both of these old wood hauler XR2002's running this coming year. I just need a little dedicated time on them. I thought retirement meant having more time for what you wanted to do. I had just "mis-remembered" all the projects I had started around the house and property. Also trying to get my machine shop set back up and usable so I can do block work again. The 1994 is close.

[props4u2]

Lee, really nice work pulling this off. You are without a doubt one of Allison's best dealers.

Thanks for the kind words John.

We'll have to get together when I get one rigged.:D

[props4u2]

I can't think if anybody that needs one more than Dave. Then he wouldn't have to worry about the arduous task of selling all that junk :D

:iagree: 100% Erik. :D

I don't know where Dave gets his information from on the money part, must have me confused with someone else. :D

[LongShot]

:iagree: 100% Erik. :D

I don't know where Dave gets his information from on the money part, must have me confused with someone else. :D

You can't hide it. Smart , plenty of money, 007 looks and a 2016 XR2002......what else do you need?

[props4u2]

You can't hide it. Smart , plenty of money, 007 looks and a 2016 XR2002......what else do you need?

You are definitely talking about Erik. :D

[patchesII]

Can't find one part of that description that applies to me. Lol

[LongShot]

Merry Christmas to you and your families. I hope 2016 brings speed and prosperity to all. I am just wishing for a little less work time and a little more seat time in an antique XR2002!!!! Working in that direction as we speak. She will have a few character cracks and blemishes but hopefully it won't be an embarrassment when the Big Dogs pull in the 2016 models.

[props4u2]

Merry Christmas to you and yours also Dave!!!

[ally2dextreme]

Lee any guess when we will see pictures of the first new 2016?

[props4u2]

Not sure, Darris is working on the composite stringer and floor system.
Hopefully by the middle of Feb.

[MODVP22]

I just went back and re-read this entire thread. It's truly one of the best ever...and I don't even own an Allison. Lee you are the freakin' MAN for staying diligent and pulling this off. I can not wait to see the first of these bad boys roll out of the assembly plant. Long live the XR-2002!

[ally2dextreme]

Any updates Lee

[thunter764]

I think Lee goes and gets some warm air, sun and sand this time of year so don't think he is ignoring you. It may be a few weeks before he responds. As busy as he is during the year it takes a month or so for he and Donna to unwind and get ready for another year.

I will spill this much. It was decided that all three boats were going to be solid colors, no stripes. :D

[LongShot]

And yours is ??????? White? When you get it all rigged out yell at me. I will give you the opportunity to beat up on this old 1986 wood hauler.

[scj]

I think Lee goes and gets some warm air, sun and sand this time of year so don't think he is ignoring you. It may be a few weeks before he responds. As busy as he is during the year it takes a month or so for he and Donna to unwind and get ready for another year.

I will spill this much. It was decided that all three boats were going to be solid colors, no stripes. :D

Not exactly, mine will have black wing tip stripes on the deck.............

[thunter764]

Now you have gone and done it, You "orange" people just got to do your own thing don't ya...

Hensley there will be a special pearl white, hull#3, but not mine.

Mine?? well, IF I were going to have one built it would have to be the impossible to get Flame red, no stripes, flame red inside with red seats cushions and side curtains, red trailer (that should be enough red huh?) and it would have to be hull #1. But only someone like Jedi master Lee qui gon jinn Sanderson could use the force well enough to change the mind of Darris "yoda" Allison into thinking that would be a good thing to do for a long time multi Allison but nobody special owner.:leaving:

[LongShot]

Man that red would be nice if it had a pristine all numbers matching 2005 SS 280 on it.

[thunter764]

Excellent as I am currently accepting donations..it's all for the cause you know

[LongShot]

Get 14,000 of your closest friends to give you $1 each and I can fix you right up . The cool guys will be running 12" mids:cheers: With throw back T3 cowls...

[thunter764]

Well once again I am out, not cool and no friends, maybe I will check with the omc guys since they are all outcast's

[LongShot]

I feel your pain.....never been cool in my life. Darris' worst fears will materialize if one of those boats gets a 500 lb refrigerator hung on it!!!! Do you have a dog?

[scj]

Now you have gone and done it, You "orange" people just got to do your own thing don't ya...

Hensley there will be a special pearl white, hull#3, but not mine.

Mine?? well, IF I were going to have one built it would have to be the impossible to get Flame red, no stripes, flame red inside with red seats cushions and side curtains, red trailer (that should be enough red huh?) and it would have to be hull #1. But only someone like Jedi master Lee qui gon jinn Sanderson could use the force well enough to change the mind of Darris "yoda" Allison into thinking that would be a good thing to do for a long time multi Allison but nobody special owner.:leaving:

Sorry, no Pearl White XR-2002's in the first three. Lee went with standard white. The other fellow will have an all red one I'm told then mine and it's not orange.......................changed my mind a while back.

[LongShot]

And the serial numbers don't pick up where the last one was built in 1997?

[scj]

And the serial numbers don't pick up where the last one was built in 1997?

Are you guys purposely giving out the wrong information?

[jphii]

Sorry, no Pearl White XR-2002's in the first three. Lee went with standard white. The other fellow will have an all red one I'm told then mine and it's not orange.......................changed my mind a while back.

I was looking forward to seeing an all orange boat....

[MODVP22]

I was looking forward to seeing an all orange boat....

I was getting my hopes up...;)

[LongShot]

Are you guys purposely giving out the wrong information?

Did somebody not mention hull #1? I was just asking the question.

[thunter764]

Yes Steve, Hensley and I were just publicly goofing off. I apologize for any humor that has offended anyone (except Hensley)

So let me factually correct my statements and information.

I have no Idea where Lee is and why he is not answering.
I no longer know the colors of Steve's and Lee's boat because my information is changed and outdated.
I do not know if Lee is a Jedi master
I do not know if JUST OMC guys are outcast since I have owned Mercs AND omc's and I am an outcast.
I do not have a dog, not even one in the hunt
I do not know how they will number the hulls.

What I do know is that the first one out of the mold (hull #1 of the new production) will be all red and I am the owner.

[LongShot]

Too bad about the dog.... At least you would have one friend. I am not offended that you aren't worried about me being offended....

[scj]

Tim(?)Hunter, I'm not offended and I did not know you were one of us three that ordered XR's.....................
Yeah, Lee changed his mind about going with Pearl for some reason and I do know for a fact the sequence of numbers are a continuation from years past.
Also, mine will be the last of the first three built.

[patchesII]

It's a shame no pearl white. My 2005 XR2001 was pearl and that was a pretty color

[LongShot]

Maybe the fourth will be pearl white.....Still trying to figure out how SCJ didn't know Tim was getting #1 and that it was red? :)

[tblanchard]

Fellas, I wish I would have waited a couple of months longer instead of ordering a new drag. XR2002 is what I really wanted I can't wait to see them. I'll just have to get one latter.

[thunter764]

It's all good Steve. I was going back and forth about the color choice for various reasons but then I said to Lee, you are going all white or possibly pearl white, Steve is going all orange so I said, I think we have hit on something. The first 3 will be anniversary models and all solid colors. So when Lee was able to convince Darris to do an all red one just for me I thought we had a plan and never heard different. But I am just happy mine will be the first and all red. Do you want to disclose the color of yours? Understand if you do not want to. Tim

Come on Hensley be #4

[LongShot]

Why? I have one of the, if not the, last regular production boats built and it has the aluminum transom and a Hot Rod 1986. I would have to add 150 pounds to both of them to get up to #4's class..:reddevil: The logic of your point would be you can only drive one at a time?

[specboatops]

^ I was told that Bill G. had the last production one made ?

[LongShot]

^ I was told that Bill G. had the last production one made ?
Those 2-3 boats were built in 1997, 3 years after "regular" production....semantics, semantics.

[patchesII]

Why? I have one of the, if not the, last regular production boats built and it has the aluminum transom and a Hot Rod 1986. I would have to add 150 pounds to both of them to get up to #4's class..:reddevil: The logic of your point would be you can only drive one at a time?

Have you weighed your two boats? I still can't comprehend why Darris wants to build the new boats as heavy as he's wanting to

[mikesufka]

Yes Steve, Hensley and I were just publicly goofing off. I apologize for any humor that has offended anyone (except Hensley)

So let me factually correct my statements and information.

I have no Idea where Lee is and why he is not answering.
I no longer know the colors of Steve's and Lee's boat because my information is changed and outdated.
I do not know if Lee is a Jedi master
I do not know if JUST OMC guys are outcast since I have owned Mercs AND omc's and I am an outcast.
I do not have a dog, not even one in the hunt
I do not know how they will number the hulls.

What I do know is that the first one out of the mold (hull #1 of the new production) will be all red and I am the owner.


LOL - great post. Congrats on a new XR2002 !!!!!!!!!!!!

MDS

[LongShot]

"Have you weighed your two boats? I still can't comprehend why Darris wants to build the new boats as heavy as he's wanting to"

^ I understand his thinking. He knows the possibility of a heavy motor being hung on one. Even a 280SS is much heavier than what the boat was designed for. Had a long conversation with him about it and he said a 2.4 on a 12" was design target. That was what, maybe 350#. He said "if you take the wings off that thing it's only 6 feet wide". When Mercury started beefing up the swing buckets, mids and clamps the 2.5 started getting on the edge of his envelope.
With cable steering, bare bucket shell, control box, wiring harness and 6" jackplate my 1986 weighed 590 at the factory. It was built as a ski/comp. I haven't weighed the 1994 but it was built as a comp with center steering from the git go. It is lighter than the 1986. The 1986 is getting string steering, liteweight batteries, 3 gauges and a 12" mid so it will be pretty slim for a lake boat. Given that it will get a fishing motor powerhead......The 1994 has a 15" smooth back, hydraulic steering, full upholstery, full gauge package and will have a bone stock virgin 260 with blue SVS. It came with a 20" 280 and it did not have a good feeling at all in any kind of cornering.

[Ally101]

^ I was told that Bill G. had the last production one made ?
gohr was 2nd to last and dean hollier was last and both boats (97 models) look as good as new and always been garage kept

[thunter764]

Thanks Mike!

Hensley, really? Your trying to justify what? You have like 50 boats so whats one more...

Personally I don't mind the weight since I will be using it for a lake ride and not a drag boat. Shook will tell you it has to be the right weight to be fast...and the lightest weight is not the fastest.

One thing I submit to is whatever Darris says is what it will be and I do not question it. I am just glad he is building me one.

[LongShot]

^ Not trying to justify anything my friend. I have just let my fingers type words that will require me to get busy and finish a couple of projects. Hopefully I will live long enough to do just that. Meanwhile as you wait my Xr2002's are tucked into bed for a long Winter's nap.....and more snow is on the way.

[mikesufka]

DH - you should get rid of that 225 Promax on your XTB. I know of a yellow SS Excel looking for one. LOL.

MDS

[LongShot]

DH - you should get rid of that 225 Promax on your XTB. I know of a yellow SS Excel looking for one. LOL.

MDS

Mr. Mike it is a nice one. Might be putting a 3 liter on the XTB if I can find some help around here to disassemble assemble the powerhead. Got a 250 Pro XS with a little sleeve problem. That Opti looks like an octopus under the cowl!!! I am not fooling with it. I have a 225x and it has whipped my butt chasing electrical gremlins. When you get past 16 amp charging systems it is beyond my pay grade to work on them.

[mikesufka]

DH - keep me in mind. Sorry to derail. Cannot WAIT to see these first ones !!!!!!

MDS

PS - THUNTER764 - did you purchase a Talon 25 from MN years ago? I think we talked on the phone about it?

[LongShot]

^ Will do Mike. Tim has owned every performance boat in the US at one point or another.....and a motorcycle to go with it...50 boats...yeah right.:)

[thunter764]

Get to work Hensley, God wont let you die until you have finished all your projects and at the rate your going you will be here forever..

Yea Mike I bought the Yellow and Red Talon 25 after Lee D passed on it and it was a great boat. I think Bob in SC still has it.

[scj]

I don't know if the other XR-2002's have carpet ordered for them but the new floor system Darris designed for the Classic's is similar to the texture on the SS boat. Mine will not have any carpet in it; doesn't need it now.
I know Darris has spent countless hours perfecting the design of the new floor and stringers for the all composite hull. I realize now why he needed at least three orders before he started building them and I still think he will be upside down on his price as he does not leave anything untouched when he's working out the changes for going all composite. The griping about the price of these boats gets old to read after I have witnessed how much time and money Allison spends to perfect his boat so that the consumer has a worry free experience for decades of enjoyment.
These new XR Classic's will be something special to have when he does finally pull the plug on all the older models.

[MODVP22]

I don't know if the other XR-2002's have carpet ordered for them but the new floor system Darris designed for the Classic's is similar to the texture on the SS boat. Mine will not have any carpet in it; doesn't need it now.
I know Darris has spent countless hours perfecting the design of the new floor and stringers for the all composite hull. I realize now why he needed at least three orders before he started building them and I still think he will be upside down on his price as he does not leave anything untouched when he's working out the changes for going all composite. The griping about the price of these boats gets old to read after I have witnessed how much time and money Allison spends to perfect his boat so that the consumer has a worry free experience for decades of enjoyment.
These new XR Classic's will be something special to have when he does finally pull the plug on all the older models.

wait...pull the plug on other models?? Do you have information on Darris discontinuing other boats?

[LongShot]

Get to work Hensley, God wont let you die until you have finished all your projects and at the rate your going you will be here forever..

Yea Mike I bought the Yellow and Red Talon 25 after Lee D passed on it and it was a great boat. I think Bob in SC still has it.

:cheers::iagree:

And dragging in more every week!!!! Got a couple of special projects going on and had to have a lathe and 3 phase power to run it. Installing a 45 kWh 480v/ 3ph generator and getting the lathe tooled up. A couple of "new to me" boring bars showed up too....

Lee better show up soon and get this thread back on track.

[specboatops]

gohr was 2nd to last and dean hollier was last and both boats (97 models) look as good as new and always been garage kept

Sounds a lot like Bill's, sits in a nice garage and only comes out to play once in a great while.;)

[scj]

This is just me and my thoughts but we all know Allison's are hand built one at a time. When Darris releases the new boat he has been working on, there will be a furry of orders. I can see them getting a few months behind on orders for just the new boat plus he still has to keep orders filled for the XB-21's.
Remember, this is just "me" but, when and why would they take time to build XB/XR-2002's that probably net a lot less profit for the company? I do not claim to be "in-the-know" of how Darris runs his company but "I" would produce work that gives me the greatest return for my efforts. He commented, once the redesign is complete on the XR-2002 he would build them when ordered but I would think there's a time when you just cannot scuffle that many models.

I'm thankful he dusted off the XR-2002 molds and has invested his time to make it all composite.
I have not nailed down an exact color yet as we're going to try and match something. I think there are four orders now and I still want the last one built which is why mine is not expected until June. If they get anymore orders, I may request for them to go ahead and build it before they have to identify my boat as a 2017 year model.

[thunter764]

No carpet in mine Steve. Not sure if it will be solid red or a splatter though.

As for the price, well quality comes at a price and so does the reputation of the original builder still building the boats he designed. That is worth a premium in itself. There are not many left. In fact I can only think of one, Peter at Skater. So whatever he has to charge to remain in business is what it will be. I am just thankful he and his company are still around and still willing to build quality small performance boats even though the engine manufactures have all but abandoned us.

[scj]

Tim, the floors will be a non-skid gel similar to the design used in the SS2000's. That would make it an exact color match to the hull since your boat will be a solid color.
I agree with you on paying a premium to participate and what really makes it worth it is Darris still gets excited about improving his product. He has a passion for making the best product out there and goes beyond any reasonable expectation in doing so. The new composite stringer system he designed for the all composite XR-2002 has hundreds of hours into just building and perfecting the plug. Some of the cracking issues I've read about that were experienced in the older wood hulls around the rear of the deck opening should be non-existent on the all composite XR. These new Classics may look the same on the outside but they'll have 18+ years of knowledge applied underneath to make what some say is the best Allison hull ever designed, even better.

[thunter764]

Perfect, that is what I was hoping for.

I understand you are pretty close to the factory? If you have any spare time I would love some picture history of anything Darris allows to document the process. Kind of like a build book for a show car. I asked Lee about it but it would be nice to have an inside guy.

[scj]

Ha! Tim, if I were to take a picture inside their building, Nancy would look like Yoda the jedi-master coming after me opening a can of whip-ass on the way! That's a big no-no! I respect their property as if it were my own but when your boat marries the hull to the deck, she may allow me to take pictures with your permission. And, I would gladly do so.

You could say I live (soon) close........335198

[thunter764]

LOl...yea when it is approved by Nancy you have my permission! Thanks!

Man that is pretty close. I would be ruined if I lived that close!

[SANTAFE]

How long does it take to build a boat?

[scj]

I would imagine about two weeks but if you're inquiring about the XR-2002, everything from the gel coat in was changed on the classic to go to an all composite boat. That means everything goes through R&D so the process will be stream-lined as molds are developed for the changes there. Building a final mold for a boat is a lot more involved than I thought though.

[whipper]

What great read! SCJ Ill trade ya locations boy i would be bring Darris Bill and Nancy coffee every morning. your really right beside the factory? thats so awesome! Have ya seen Darris pull the 23fter out for a testing this winter yet? Bill told me he likes to do that when its very early or very late on bad cold days in the winter when no ones out there.:rolleyes:
I cant wait to hear about you guys new XR,s No doubt they will be a work of art and fast as all that! A buddy of mines a very well known Architect and structural engineer in Vancouver the big city south of me. in the summer he stays with us for about a month on the lake we stay on. i take him with me for morning high speed runs 60 miles to one end of the lake and back lots. we stop hear and there and he always comments on how smart the guy is who builds these boats. haha The attention to details over every square inch that he could find is finished and simple yet elegant. He has a 22ft Crownline he paid twice what mine cost and he says the engineering and functional curves blows him away. Just all kinds of things ya dont even notice unless your looking for that sort of thing. That made me feel good but I already knew there are no corners cut when Darris designs a boat. ive had my GSE for over 10 years now and never get sick of looking at her. Shes just gorgeous in every way and i cant imagine how sweet your XR02,s will be! One of my favourite layouts of any boat! The lounge seats with a Center steer what I would want. The perfect place to kick back on the lake on a sunny afternoon after spanking every boat on the lake. :cheers:

[scj]

The Allison's are great neighbors! Darris has even been over to help me stand up walls; he's in great shape for his late sixties!

No matter how great of neighbors they are, I've never seen a glimpse of the new boat. Granted, I'm there only to work on my house but he obviously knows my schedule.


Darris and I talk quite a bit; his mind never stops when it comes to perfecting his product. He works ten/twelve hours a day, six days a week. I get a kick out of Nancy getting on Darris about taking time to stop and eat, the man never stops!

[mikesufka]

I can't believe there are not some "spy photos" of him testing the 23 or whatever it is. People are dying to see it.

MDS

[MODVP22]

I was eager to see the 23' version of the GrandSport. After reading this thread, I'm dying to see a step by step of the new XR-2002's :cool:

[whipper]

I can't believe there are not some "spy photos" of him testing the 23 or whatever it is. People are dying to see it.

MDS

I know its pretty unreal considering he has been testing it for 8 years or so. Since the 23 will change everything in that size of boat for performance I guess until the début I would be top secret also so close to finishing. Bet the new XR2002 will have the new composite schedule hes been perfecting for ever that will also go into the 23ft? Total speculation obviously. Ive heard a few things over the past few months but swore I would keep it under wraps. :leaving:

[scj]

LOl...yea when it is approved by Nancy you have my permission! Thanks!

Man that is pretty close. I would be ruined if I lived that close!

Yeah, she reiterated today that no pictures will be taken until it's in the trim shop. I did ask though.................Seeing the plug for the stringer system Darris has designed for the XR's looks nothing like the boats of yesteryear. I know little about working with fiberglass but when I look at what he has designed for the new boats compared to the pile of wood parts he had to fiberglass in on the older models, it would surprise me that the new boats would weigh more than the old ones. 18 years of advanced methods and means hopefully nets a light weight hull for those that seem more worried about weight than having an all composite hull. We'll see as I'm sure it will go on the scales when he is satisfied the redesign is complete.

[thunter764]

Thanks for asking...when the boss (Nancy) says no she means no!..so when the time is right snap away.

I know Darris will make it right before he makes it at all. I know he does not like to talk weight on this boat for reasons previously stated. I just want a good running, long lasting lake boat. So whatever it weighs that is what it is.

[90 5.0]

This might not be the right place to ask this question, but it's something i've been pondering a while and with new 2002's out maybe its a good place to ask. Since there are a plethera of dead 2.0's and 2.4's laying around everywhere and cores would be cheap. Is there any market for totally refurbished, like remanufactured 2.0 and 2.4 for the lighter boats of yesteryear? I mean like 100% disassembled and remaned. Blasted mids with all new hardware, mounts you name it. 100% built back to like new. what would someone pay for a 100% re manufactured EFI 2.0/2.4 200 to hang on a New Xr2002? 15k possibly??

[Esox4130]

The markets in 260/280 short shafts motors. Perfect for the xr2002

[JCSmile]

I don't see anyone paying 15k for a 2.0 or 2.4. Doing a little searching on craigslist, you can find 2.4's for under a grand blown up. Throw in a grand of new sleeves and pistons and you can have a reliable motor (if anyone wants the old technology). You don't even see complete 260's going for 15k most of the time, so something for the early 90's probably won't get that either.

[90 5.0]

I don't see anyone paying 15k for a 2.0 or 2.4. Doing a little searching on craigslist, you can find 2.4's for under a grand blown up. Throw in a grand of new sleeves and pistons and you can have a reliable motor (if anyone wants the old technology). You don't even see complete 260's going for 15k most of the time, so something for the early 90's probably won't get that either. people were talking about the weight issues with a 2.5(not that i think there would be). But I was thinking more along the lines of a completely new 2.0 or 2.4 with laser injection etc. reliablity of a promax in a 2.0 or 2.4 packadge for the everday lake riders that want a new motor that cant be bought right now. I know the hot rodders would do a 260 or 280 but not he average joe that just wants to ride and put 500hrs on a motor only changing plugs once a season

[90 5.0]

And to be clear i'm not talking about just a rebuilt motor, i mean remanufactured. all new sleeves, pistons etc. all new electronics retrofitting laser injection. pulled down 100% blasted and repainted mid, all knew solid mounts. new triggers, stators wire harness , solinoids . not rebuitl junk off craigs. a 100% new as you can get motor with a NASS cowl etc

[patchesII]

A 2.5 isn't any heavier than a 2.4 and both are lighter than a 2.0.

[scj]

I want a custom 4 stroke...........

[JWTjr.]

I don't see anyone paying 15k for a 2.0 or 2.4. Doing a little searching on craigslist, you can find 2.4's for under a grand blown up. Throw in a grand of new sleeves and pistons and you can have a reliable motor (if anyone wants the old technology). You don't even see complete 260's going for 15k most of the time, so something for the early 90's probably won't get that either.

Certainly not $15k, but for what the OP is requesting, you're not going to build or find that for a couple grand. To use your example, a 2.4 or 2.5 (steel sleeve) engine blown up for $750-1000, parts to properly rebuild it from the powerhead to the gearcase, sandblast/clean/paint/decal, new Nass hood, mounts, etc. you'll have $5000 in it easily; I do this all the time with OMC V4s and occasional V6s and 2/3 cyl models. I've done a few Merc V6s this way, not race engines but good solid reliable lake engines for the guy who doesn't need to go 120 mph, so a good selling price would be in the $6-7500 range depending on what is desired. I've sold them for $4500-5500 stock (no performance parts, just a stock engine) so one equipped with coned gearcase, solid mounts, Nass hood, fiber reeds, etc. is certainly worth another $2500.

[90 5.0]

A 2.5 isn't any heavier than a 2.4 and both are lighter than a 2.0.

SO why is there recommendation not to put 2.5's on them??

I know everyone does, I'm just curious here. I really thought my 2.5 was heavier than my 2.0 I have???

[90 5.0]

Certainly not $15k, but for what the OP is requesting, you're not going to build or find that for a couple grand. To use your example, a 2.4 or 2.5 (steel sleeve) engine blown up for $750-1000, parts to properly rebuild it from the powerhead to the gearcase, sandblast/clean/paint/decal, new Nass hood, mounts, etc. you'll have $5000 in it easily; I do this all the time with OMC V4s and occasional V6s and 2/3 cyl models. I've done a few Merc V6s this way, not race engines but good solid reliable lake engines for the guy who doesn't need to go 120 mph, so a good selling price would be in the $6-7500 range depending on what is desired. I've sold them for $4500-5500 stock (no performance parts, just a stock engine) so one equipped with coned gearcase, solid mounts, Nass hood, fiber reeds, etc. is certainly worth another $2500.
Even 7500 I thnk is too low. I think that might be a good number without all new electronics and converted to laser injection.

Just trying to see if there was any kind of market for that. I've been thinking about it for a while. Repower options for guys with older boats just aren't out there new anymore.

Say a guy has a clean old 80's model ranger or skeeter etc, and has kept it up updated electronics and wants to repower. Only new options for 200hp are 3l now and way too heavy for those boats.

If you get a 2002 only 2.5 option is a 175 hp.

I'm looking at this on a business model point of view and trying to find out if there was a market for it.

Talking converted 2.0's/2.4's with laser injection ALL NEW electronics, etc with a warranty , rebuilt gear case.

With the slow down in the oil field I've been thinking about different side businesses I could grow. I used to have an Engine Building company years ago before I got tired of it(I built primarily Ford race engines, and my hobby was my lively hood, just wasn't fun anymore).

So this would be an actual business, remaning motors with warranty for something you can't get now.

But if there's no market then I won't research actual costs vs selling price anymore.

I guess I can build a laser injected 2.0 and see if it works, and see how much it would cost first. But don't really want to do it if its a waste of time...

[scj]

I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it again; nothing that burns oil really gets me excited anymore. Yes, I know the Mercury 2.5's are a hoot and every (majority of) drag racer across the land has one hanging on their boat but I want something 4 stroke and different. It's time to add a four stroke class to the drags!

I really doubt I'll have any controls installed in my XR as I do not want to buy something just to get by. A 12" skeleton mid with a 2.5 SportMaster gearcase and a 4.2 SHO atop w/cf cowl should net the sub 450# engine weight goal. A 12 volt lithium would remove a little more weight from the rear as well.

[LongShot]

I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it again; nothing that burns oil really gets me excited anymore. Yes, I know the Mercury 2.5's are a hoot and every (majority of) drag racer across the land has one hanging on their boat but I want something 4 stroke and different. It's time to add a four stroke class to the drags!

I really doubt I'll have any controls installed in my XR as I do not want to buy something just to get by. A 12" skeleton mid with a 2.5 SportMaster gearcase and a 4.2 SHO atop w/cf cowl should ne the sub 450# engine weight goal. A 12 volt lithium would remove a little more weight from the rear as well.

The boat needs a 350 pound motor package . 12" Merc mid with liteweight clamp bracket and string steering. Anything else is extra fat. Powerhead needs to be 2.4 Bridgeport EFI or a 260/280/300 2.5 with 16 amp electrics. I would also think a super duper Laser injected ProStock motor would be in the running. A Sportmaster case is over kill too. Coned early 200 with big guts is best suited for the hull.

[thunter764]

Hensley have you weighed a 12" mid set-up? Can you really get it to 350# ? Mercury posted the weight of the 2.4/2.5 series without the lower. Total weight was 410-435 range.

What about the 200xs 15 inch engine. Is it still available?

[LongShot]

Hunter I don't know where you are getting your numbers but Mercury Racing lists a 200 XS ROS at 434 pounds. The 200 XS ROS with 12" mid is 300 pounds. Now, pay close attention, those weights are with an air compressor powerhead. Put a 16 amp 2.5 powerhead and lightweight clamp bracket.......do you think 350 is possible????? I can hang mine on the digital scales if need be....

[whipper]

My merc manual says my 96 225 promax is 346 lbs.

[Tomanytoys]

I've got a lightweight 12" / 2.5 drag / XR-6 case on my 01.
Planning to pull it off shortly for some maintainence.
I'll hang it on the scale and letcha know what I get.

[AZMIDLYF]

http://www.nadaguides.com/Boats/2016/Mercury/Outboard-Motors

[patchesII]

A 12" Drag with a factory cowl and XR6 should be 315-320 lbs with adapter plate and wing plates. You can get another 25 off that with a Nass carbon cowl and a Geigertech center section
These are the weights I had written down.

Mid with wingplates/tuner/gearcase adapter- 84 lbs
XR6 case-49 lbs
powerhead-170 lbs
factory drag cowl- 17 lbs

[patchesII]

I've got a lightweight 12" / 2.5 drag / XR-6 case on my 01.
Planning to pull it off shortly for some maintainence.
I'll hang it on the scale and letcha know what I get.

I'd like to see if my calculations are right.

[thunter764]

Hunter I don't know where you are getting your numbers but Mercury Racing lists a 200 XS ROS at 434 pounds. The 200 XS ROS with 12" mid is 300 pounds. Now, pay close attention, those weights are with an air compressor powerhead. Put a 16 amp 2.5 powerhead and lightweight clamp bracket.......do you think 350 is possible????? I can hang mine on the digital scales if need be....


Put down the Monster energy drink old man. I was asking, not doubting. My numbers came from the scale, not a spec sheet. I thought everyone knew Mercury printed their weight specs less the lower unit. I know what specs say but hang it from a scale and lets see what you got.

As for the 15 inch 200xs I was asking if there were still available. I have never weighed one of those, have you?

Its kind of like 500# hulls, I guess it is good to know where you start but I like to know what they weigh ready to run.

[Brian Harden]

A 12" skeleton mid with a 2.5 SportMaster gearcase and a 4.2 SHO atop w/cf cowl should net the sub 450# engine weight goal. A 12 volt lithium would remove a little more weight from the rear as well.

Stay Tuned!!😜

[LongShot]

Put down the Monster energy drink old man. I was asking, not doubting. My numbers came from the scale, not a spec sheet. I thought everyone knew Mercury printed their weight specs less the lower unit. I know what specs say but hang it from a scale and lets see what you got.

As for the 15 inch 200xs I was asking if there were still available. I have never weighed one of those, have you?

Its kind of like 500# hulls, I guess it is good to know where you start but I like to know what they weigh ready to run.

I don't know anything. But a few of the guys that posted are concerned with ounces not pounds. They keep up with it pretty well. I haven't weighed a 200 XS ROS but I owned one.......they don't come in red. Get you one and give me a call.

[ally2dextreme]

Stay Tuned!!😜

That ain't happening

[scj]

Stay Tuned!!

I'm a little more optimistic than Thomas so I hope you have something in the works??????????

[whipper]

I'm a little more optimistic than Thomas so I hope you have something in the works??????????

Me two, ill bet if Brians working on something not only will it be clean it will work. If I remember correctly didnt he put a stock SHO on an XR for kicks and giggles to try? Those sho motors have potential. There the closest motor to what a 4 stroke should be like for racing against a 2 stoke like in Moto Cross but the two stroke is making a big come back it looks like. The SHO is not refined enough and reliable enough in the lower units for high speed yet. A SM should really help. Trim the fat.:cheers: im just waiting untill the 15th to find out what the new billet block is more about for pricing. The near future looks good.:cheers:

[scj]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ZJoRPXnjc

If Wayne can push an old Triton to 100 mph with a SHO/SportMaster, what do you think one with a lightened mid and a few more light weight covers could push a 650 pound XR-2002 to? I don't think you could find a big enough prop.........
Anyway, my boat will not have an engine until I can find the 4 stroke that'll push it. I indeed hope Brian has something in the works..........
I do agree the stock SHO gearcase holds it back.

[scj]

A little update:

Darris has completed the new floor design. instead of just a flat floor, it's now "C" shaped to add rigidity to the stringers below. The floor now all ties together with the sides of the lounges and stringers to make a much stronger design. He estimates it's at least twice as strong as the previous model and much more resistant to any flexing

[90 5.0]

A little update:

Darris has completed the new floor design. instead of just a flat floor, it's now "C" shaped to add rigidity to the stringers below. The floor now all ties together with the sides of the lounges and stringers to make a much stronger design. He estimates it's at least twice as strong as the previous model and much more resistant to any flexing

Is it similar to the c shaped floor in the SS drag?

[thunter764]

Steve, any chance that floor mod will sit you lower in the boat? That would be awesome.

[Tomanytoys]

I'd like to see if my calculations are right.
Complete 12" drag.
Giegertech clamp.
12" Merc can
XR-6 case
complete turn key powerhead with PPE flywheel
Nass carbon pan (no cowl)
wing plates
Weighed in at 309 lbs on my digital hanging scale.

Complete turn key powerhead 170 lbs

As I break down the rest of the package I'll check the weights.

[LongShot]

You mean you didn't weigh it without a gearcase ??:reddevil:

[LongShot]

Sorry Tim. It was the Monster Energy drink. Nuff said. You can get light with a 2.5 set up.

[Tomanytoys]

You mean you didn't weigh it without a gearcase ??:reddevil:
I'll weigh the gear case for you today.
can you do the math or should I? /;-)

[LongShot]

I'll weigh the gear case for you today.
can you do the math or should I? /;-)
On a serious note, was that with the Giegertech from the transom out? If so that is lighter than what I thought. At 350 lbs I was including a trim pump and hoses. A 15" Offshore is a completely different story. Sum beaches are heavy.

[Tomanytoys]

On a serious note, was that with the Giegertech from the transom out? If so that is lighter than what I thought. At 350 lbs I was including a trim pump and hoses. A 15" Offshore is a completely different story. Sum beaches are heavy.

Clamp / swivel with merc trim lines attached, no pump.
I don't want to hijack the 02 thread with all the details.
Ive got some more pieces to weigh, I'll probably start a separate thread and post my results if anyone is interested.

[scj]

Is it similar to the c shaped floor in the SS drag?

Sorry, I've never seen the floor of an SS.

[LongShot]

Clamp / swivel with merc trim lines attached, no pump.
I don't want to hijack the 02 thread with all the details.
Ive got some more pieces to weigh, I'll probably start a separate thread and post my results if anyone is interested.

I think it is good info for anyone interested in the ultimate set up for a new XR 2002. Hydraulic steering can be fitted to a 12" mid.:D If I could get back on my 1986 project it sure would be tempting to put a 280 rotating assembly in a CRT and go that way.I have done very well lately and have not brought another boat in since August last year and have sold two. The first step in solving a problem is to admit you have one.....

[scj]

Steve, any chance that floor mod will sit you lower in the boat? That would be awesome.

Tim, Darris said it's the same height as the original. The reason for the "C" shape was to add stringer height to increase rigidity. Everything through that area is now either glassed in or bonded. No more screwing the system together at the floor.

The only part of the boat I have seen so far is the molds before they blueprinted them and the plug for the new stringer system. There were several old patterns laying in the molds to identify where they went on the original XR's then they were all glassed in to the hull. That would result in a lot of fiberglass to cover that much material.

The new stringer plug they built must of had 100 man hours in it with all the detail involved which would replaced all the wood pieces used in yesteryear versions. The technology they used to build that piece is the same as used in his new boat. What's going to surprise me is, is if the new Classics are actually going to be heavier than the originals 2002's. They're using 18+ years worth of advanced materials and design methods to build these Classics. The great thing is it will still look exactly like an XR-2002. Not like what the auto manufacturers do when they reintroduce older model muscle cars names as that is about the only thing it has in common with the original.

Darris also mentioned they found an exact match of the vinyl used to line the original molds and the guys were in the process of wrapping the new molds with it. Hopefully this means we're actually about to see some red gel..............but, they are being tight-lipped about time frames.

[90 5.0]

What's going to surprise me is, is if the new Classics are actually going to be heavier than the originals 2002's. They're using 18+ years worth of advanced materials and design methods to build these Classics.. I doubt it, they can get a glass drag down to 450 now from what i've heard. with the new tech they should be lighter??

[90 5.0]

I think it is good info for anyone interested in the ultimate set up for a new XR 2002. Hydraulic steering can be fitted to a 12" mid.:D If I could get back on my 1986 project it sure would be tempting to put a 280 rotating assembly in a CRT and go that way.I have done very well lately and have not brought another boat in since August last year and have sold two. The first step in solving a problem is to admit you have one..... wouldnt a 12" mid be a pain for sand bar hoping etc? I keep seeing people wanting to put 12" mids on these, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the boat?? It would be cool as all get out though a 12" 280 on one, seen a few with hydraulic steering it seems to be becoming more popular on the 12" stuff...

[LongShot]

wouldnt a 12" mid be a pain for sand bar hoping etc? I keep seeing people wanting to put 12" mids on these, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the boat?? It would be cool as all get out though a 12" 280 on one, seen a few with hydraulic steering it seems to be becoming more popular on the 12" stuff...
Most of the owners of nice Allison's I know would never beach their boat. Everyone uses corkscrew anchors and bungees. Why would a 12" mid be a pain??

[90 5.0]

Most of the owners of nice Allison's I know would never beach their boat. Everyone uses corkscrew anchors and bungees. Why would a 12" mid be a pain?? We all beach our allisons down here, but we have soft sand to beach on. and a 12" would be a pain while beaching because of the limit in trim angle i would assume.

[LongShot]

Cool comes with a price.

[specboatops]

All the guys with Allisons I hang out with ( and those with other nice boats) Always anchor out a bit. Usually we're walking around them looking at 1 thing or another anyway.