Outboard Top Speed World Record 200 mph Attempt

[Spectre Powerboats]

Outboard Top Speed World Record 200 mph Attempt

Yes, I use the word attempt, because this will be no easy feat. We want to go 200 mph, more than breaking the current record, because to me that mark in an outboard will be one to remember forever.

I wanted to start this thread to try and keep everyone posted on this attempt. We will post pictures and updates on this project as it keeps evolving. We are still uncertain of the power for this boat after a turn of events with Mercury.

This projected originally was discussed many years ago with my friend Jon Wright. Unfortunately, I wish I would have pursued it harder then, because Jon would have been one of the top guys in the world to help get it done.

The boat is an outrigger built just for this record. The first boat is basically built, just short of some finishing touches. Our goal is to start a second boat in case of any damage would happen to the first one. We don’t want to be held up, because the build time takes many months for one of these.

The original plans were to use a modified 2.5 that makes about 450 hp and on nitrous would make a little over 600 hp. Not the best choice in power, but it is what I was the most comfortable with. I had been talking to certain people at Mercury and there seem to be an interest in assisting. When the time came, the main decision maker at Mercury said they wanted nothing to do with it, but if the record was broken, they wanted to talk then. As you can imagine what my thoughts were to that answer, I had to bite my lip.


Thanks,

Todd

[flabum1017]

Hah, then go with an E-Tech LOL That would teach them..........

[Rodney Nance]

Best of luck guys! Jon got the same response from Merc and he never forgot it. You are setting the bar very high at 200 but why be normal. It sounds like you are going to go about it the right way. If I can help in any way just let me know.

[Forkin' Crazy]

Dave Bush Racing BRP motor! :)

I like the outrigger style. They seem to be more stable.

[oldschoolltv]

Dave Bush Racing BRP motor! :)

I like the outrigger style. They seem to be more stable.

+1 for me as well

[MODVP22]

Hah, then go with an E-Tech LOL That would teach them..........


That would make some great advertising.."Evinrude, world's fastest outboard...again, or still" ;)

[FasterthanU]

That would make some great advertising.."Evinrude, world's fastest outboard...again, or still" ;)

Don't chu Blaspheme in Hea!!!!!! lol :cheers:

[2.5_stoker]

subscribed! good luck on your quest! i look forward to following this.

shaun

[RBT]

Guido's record at 160 in the kilo in an F1 boat with a SSM case make me think that 200 with merc power is possible. They were out of boat not hp, add that the power they had vs what is now made is significant.

[Scott in MN]

So what is the bare hull weight of your outrigger hull set up for outboard?...

[Ray Leach]

Guido's record at 160 in the kilo in an F1 boat with a SSM case make me think that 200 with merc power is possible. They were out of boat not hp, add that the power they had vs what is now made is significant.

Never gonna happen with a 2.5L. It's possible with a big bore, but not a 2.5L. Guidos run was very impressive, but definitely at the limit of that thing staying on the water....IMO

[RBT]

I agree in an f1 boat, but a hydro would be different

[Ray Leach]

I agree in an f1 boat, but a hydro would be different

It would be different, but it's gonna take what a 2.5 doesn't have and never will.......torque. Hope this deal happens no matter what motor they use. Love to see it happen.

[native2]

Subscribed.... I wish you the best of luck. It is awesome your even trying. After 20 years you would think the technology is there to break the record.

[patchesII]

I'd just go to Dave Bush and have one built. No reason to dick around with it, I have zero doubt that he can build the power

[Mr. Demeanor]

Best of luck and thank you for sharing your project with us!

[Ray Leach]

I guess if I had to give a vote for choice of power for this deal, I would have to use the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Meaning when the record was set, they used the hull design of the times and the motor that had the most cubic inches. Fast forward to today......Why would you change that theory when both parts of the equation have just gotten so much better since that time? I believe the outrigger style hydro is definitely the most advanced hull to attempt a run at 200mph. That being said you gotta go with shear cubic inches for something like this and that's a big bore V8. And NOBODY makes that motor better than MONTY RACING. I don't think a motor dependent on a power adder like nitrous, turbos, or blowers is the way to go. To many possible issues. Less is more in that respect, keep it simple, big pistons and a lots of them:)


Granted I may be a little bias:) but with good reason. I know first hand what that motor is capable of and I have NO doubt that if that boat can handle the speed and there is a pilot (hate to use that word but it applies) out there to hold that bad boy down........we could see history, and that would be one for the books.

[300x Stoker]

Kinda hard to argue with that logic.


keep it simple, big pistons and lots of them

[Forkin' Crazy]

Almost there

Can I drive?.... :thumbsup:

[RBT]

I guess if I had to give a vote for choice of power for this deal, I would have to use the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Meaning when the record was set, they used the hull design of the times and the motor that had the most cubic inches. Fast forward to today......Why would you change that theory when both parts of the equation have just gotten so much better since that time? I believe the outrigger style hydro is definitely the most advanced hull to attempt a run at 200mph. That being said you gotta go with shear cubic inches for something like this and that's a big bore V8. And NOBODY makes that motor better than MONTY RACING. I don't think a motor dependent on a power adder like nitrous, turbos, or blowers is the way to go. To many possible issues. Less is more in that respect, keep it simple, big pistons and a lots of them:)


Granted I may be a little bias:) but with good reason. I know first hand what that motor is capable of and I have NO doubt that if that boat can handle the speed and there is a pilot (hate to use that word but it applies) out there to hold that bad boy down........we could see history, and that would be one for the books.

To plays devils advocate, I would like to see a "little" motor set the record. I have no love for mother merc, but for me it is the simplest way to go fast. They have the durability to run at sustained rpm for the few kilometers it will need to go, it is LIGHT, it has a gearcase that is reliable, and is the underdog..... for once.

If you are building two boats, put a merc on one and an OMC/Bomber on the other.

RT

[Speed Jr.]

Not trying to knock ya guys, but you may want to re-think using those rear sponsons...

Jr.

[JWTjr.]

Kudos to you guys and all the best on this effort. It is truly refreshing to see, after 23+ years, someone going after it again.

More than a few "able minds" from past attempts are still alive and well and available for brain-picking; I'm sure you know this of course, but just putting it out there. Guys like Dickie O'Dea, John Sherlock, Mackey (Bill McEvoy), RC Hawie and others from the early 1980s record that Sherlock set are still around and I'm sure would give advice...they had that Karelsen running just under 160 with a true home-brewed effort and an O'Dea 2.4 making 300+ hp. Some of the guys from the Bud Davie days (Wartinger and others) are also still around. Were it me, I would not ignore these guys. I have no doubt it's doable with a 2.5, but some of these other guys are on the right track in my opinion...I'd rather use bigger cubes and lower rpm. Same as OMC did in 1966 when Gerry Walin used a 90ci V4 to go nearly 131, and again in 1974 when he went 150+ with 99ci and blew it over...

John

[JWTjr.]

One more thought, about corporate interest and sponsorship. We can bitch and whine about Merc, BRP and whoever wanting a piece of the glory should you succeed but not wanting to be a part of it until you do, but unfortunately that is today's corporate cop-out world. It sucks--but no sense dwelling on it. You might as well bemoan the weather or the economy. If you're going to go for it, go for it. The days of the outboard giants battling it out on the course or the kilo runs are over, at least for now. If you decide to give them some of the glory when you set the record, that's up to you.

JT

[Spectre Powerboats]

What is the weight of a OMC V-8 and their V-6 powerheads? Are the guys modifying the 3.0, 3.6 or the 4.0 V-8 for the most power?

[flabum1017]

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The prop slip guess is probably way off but the #'s look doable to me. It would take major torque to run a 1:1 gear with 36" prop but I bet a really big bore stroked v6 or a v8 would be up to the task.

[Spectre Powerboats]

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Yes. I have thought of the turbine outboard also.

[Da Bull]

I`m surpised nobody has mentioned the Wizzard. You want tourque, You got it! Two stock 300 drag`s with the power heads canted in for better aero and presto, 600 hp along with however much juice you dare but a 150 shot on each nets 900 ponies. That just might turn that 1.0 gear w/36p prop.

Seem`s simple to me.

DB

[Michael J Giesler]

A Caldwell stroker motor would be my choice i do think a 2.5 could do it so could a omc V-8 or v-6 it's all about money, time, and luck plus a set of balls good luck i hope you do it

[Rayzor]

When I spoke to Dr. Alex Hledin at PTR Engines about going after the record (he built Guido's powerhead that set the current record), he recommended going to Dave Bush for power. He said you cannot get the power out of a 2.5 to get the record - and twins is out of the question because of weight and drag. His biggest fear is will the motor last for the distances and amount of runs it would take to get the record. You lock up a motor at big mph and you're gonna' be in trouble. He and his brother (Peter Hledin) talked me out of going after the record. I do wish you the best of luck, and if you'd like to talk to me further about what I learned through my research, feel free to PM me. Good choice on the DE hydro, I spoke to Dan in length and was also going to use that same boat.

[Capt.Insane-o]

I'd get the boat built first and run a s3000 on a small poof of juice and base line. Honestly this record is out of a 2.5's reach unless you can make it live on a tremendous amount of spray or a turbo set up. I'd skip that party and go right to a 3+ liter build. In a perfect world if Merc told me we'll talk after you set the record I'd build a Yamaha to do it.

[Smoking Joe]

It sure would be nice to see the existing record fall to another V8 OMC. Talk to Monty he may come on board for the challenge........:D

Good luck with the project.

[patchesII]

Monty would be a good one also. I'm quite sure the V8 that Ray had on his Pro Gas boat would do the trick. I'd do my best to do it without the help of nitrous. Just brings in another set of reliability issues at a critical time.

[olboatman]

Subscribed. Good luck and give it hell guys! Gary

[rock]

subscribed

[largecar91]

I`m surpised nobody has mentioned the Wizzard. You want tourque, You got it! Two stock 300 drag`s with the power heads canted in for better aero and presto, 600 hp along with however much juice you dare but a 150 shot on each nets 900 ponies. That just might turn that 1.0 gear w/36p prop.

Seem`s simple to me.

DB
And the original is real close to you.

[speedinstream]

In a perfect world if Merc told me we'll talk after you set the record I'd build a Yamaha to do it.[/QUOTE]lol if i did run a merc it would not have one merc decale on it paint it orange or somthing maybee T Rex will let u borrow his crysler cowl

[RBT]

Hartley v8 would be interesting

[MODVP22]

Hartley v8 would be interesting

I was thinking the same thing.

a 2-stroke would still be cool ;)

[specboatops]

if Merc told me we'll talk after you set the record I'd build a Yamaha to do it.
As much as I love Mercury, I agree 100% Karl would be rolling in his grave..... pussies

[kimswang]

What a cool project. I am kinda sorta working on the same delio and has chosen Monty for my builds. I am using three of them on the back but will carry a lot more weight and is going after a different record, but a record nevertheless... All the best, keep us posted, I want to be there when you are going for the run.

[olboatman]

As much as I love Mercury, I agree 100% Karl would be rolling in his grave..... pussies

BOY do I second that--- I bet ya he's doin backflips! Gary

[LongShot]

4 stroke Hartley. Might as well push the entire effort three decades into the future. The way I see it power should be the very last consideration. Test the hull and driver with the most available power. Whether that be Merc, OMC, Yamaha or Scott-Atwater. Doesn't matter. You will not get corporate help from motor manufacturers. If you want help look at accessory builders. Props, clothing, oil, etc. they have nothing to lose if it all goes tits up. When all is good, the boat handles well at 160-170 or whatever the power you choose allows, then go after the power you need. The learning curve will be steep but you will know more about what you need after testing than you do now. My $.02.

[HStream1]

:iagree: Now that is very wise advise!!!!!!!


4 stroke Hartley. Might as well push the entire effort three decades into the future. The way I see it power should be the very last consideration. Test the hull and driver with the most available power. Whether that be Merc, OMC, Yamaha or Scott-Atwater. Doesn't matter. You will not get corporate help from motor manufacturers. If you want help look at accessory builders. Props, clothing, oil, etc. they have nothing to lose if it all goes tits up. When all is good, the boat handles well at 160-170 or whatever the power you choose allows, then go after the power you need. The learning curve will be steep but you will know more about what you need after testing than you do now. My $.02.

[Mark Poole ModVP]

I hope the engine will be locked straight and a rudder used like Second Effort did it. Skeg or steering failure at 200 would be ugly. If it were me I would radio control it with a 150lb. sandbag in the cockpit until I knew it would not do the watoosie and explode into 1000 pieces.
Outrigger design can be safer but the drawback is it takes gobs of power to keep it up on the points.

[LaveyT]

I hope the engine will be locked straight and a rudder used like Second Effort did it. Skeg or steering failure at 200 would be ugly. If it were me I would radio control it with a 150lb. sandbag in the cockpit until I knew it would not do the watoosie and explode into 1000 pieces.
Outrigger design can be safer but the drawback is it takes gobs of power to keep it up on the points.

Cool project indeed!
The radio control with a few go pro's in critical spots could save a life until you know it works. With today's cheap technology why not?
The watoosie...:)

[CDave]

I would think those round bars, on the sponsons, would add unwanted drag to your hull. Why not build aerodynamic shaped tubes to cut down on drag and air turbulence. After all you aren't using a big cubic inch car engine with gobs of hp and torque to push through the air. Or are you just running just a 1/4 mile. I would think aero drag is going to be a hurdle to overcome in the push for 200mph.

[kimswang]

If it were me I would radio control it with a 150lb. sandbag in the cockpit until I knew it would not do the .....

You don't know glory,do you? Sounds like a losers approach to me..

Regarding the aerodynamics, flying for a living and having a degree in aeronautics as well as physics please feel free to PM me and get me involved

[LongShot]

150 lbs would only simulate the weight of the nads that will be needed.....just sayin.

[Spectre Powerboats]

The only test dummy we plan to use is Dan, myself or someone with a lot of money who will pay me to drive. R/C is good idea, but a real person can feel what the boat is doing or may be needing adjusted, we know the risk. I personally have drove a Pugh hydro over 160 mph all out and have run into the 7's at 140 plus in the 1/4 when I bought Doo Dad from Jon Wright. I also owed a Alcohol hydro and made many passes over 200 in the 1/4 mile with it. I know this is a different animal, but we wanted that. Dan and I are talking now about everything we still need, so we will probably be reaching out to a lot of you for help before long.

[Da Bull]

And the original is real close to you.



Real close to me or the author of this thread?

DB

[DS77]

Very good choice of boat,miles safer than the current record holder.this boat with safety cell should weight around 400 lbs. Wally told me dixon had to really lower his engine height to stay on the water at 151mph he said they could have made 155 but he told them lets be happy and go home safe that was a #4 speed master 23 p 4blade that is a lot of extra......drag my guess525 HP. i cut a cracked Dewald 4 blade into a 2 blade 17 x10 & ran a very quick 121mph with a 2.4 no Nit #6 speed master on my 360 lb. hydro I'm guessing this outrigger with Dixons power head 11x25 2 blade would not miss the current record much i would say 170 ish but it will take 800 hp. t0 hit 200 it would not surprise me if they do it.im sure they will have a good safety cell .hope you guys do it. Peace steve

[largecar91]

Real close to me or the author of this thread?

DB The author

[mirage243]

subscribed. . . . .not sure why, but I'm all ears.:D

[mrpenguin]

3.5 Liter F1 V8 Evinrude. Someone has one sitting in a collection. I am sure if you ask, someone would enjoy having their engine being part of the attempt. They get it back after the run and now have the worlds fastest outboard in their collection.

No need to reinvent the wheel.

[jphii]

I know 2 people that have the F1 V8s. They only make about 390-400hp.

[Spectre Powerboats]

I need a minimum of 550 hp to break the record and approx. 700-800 hp to run into the 200 mph range. I will use the words "I think" also. As this is all a guess and done on paper, so till it gets to the water, it is a "I think." :smiletest:

[Raceman]

3.5 Liter F1 V8 Evinrude. Someone has one sitting in a collection.

That would be me


I am sure if you ask, someone would enjoy having their engine being part of the attempt.


That would not be me. I'd like to see the record set with a black motor.

[Raceman]

I know 2 people that have the F1 V8s. They only make about 390-400hp.

Now you've gone and done it Joe. That comment will send the F1 V8 cult into a frenzy. Those engines have steadily gained horsepower among their worshippers since they were discontinued and are almost always guestimated at 500 or better. I fully expect to see a 700 horse number attached to a stock one sooner or later.;):D

[jphii]

Now you've gone and done it Joe. That comment will send the F1 V8 cult into a frenzy. Those engines have steadily gained horsepower among their worshippers since they were discontinued and are almost always guestimated at 500 or better. I fully expect to see a 700 horse number attached to a stock one sooner or later.;):D

Everyone seems to forget most of them came with a dyno sheet.

[mrpenguin]

A couple of tweaks, some methanol, a 150hp shot of NOS and the 3.5 liter F1 V8 is a solid 600hp right?

I think that would be the easiest way to hit 200mph. Everything else is reinventing the wheel.

The only other choice would be older loopers 4.0s done up right or maybe a custom3.0 liter Mercury running on the edge.

[BarryStrawn]

For a Mercury based powerhead, I would suggest a 4 cylinder Verado with around 30 psi of turbo boost on methanol.

[MODVP22]

Now you've gone and done it Joe. That comment will send the F1 V8 cult into a frenzy. Those engines have steadily gained horsepower among their worshippers since they were discontinued and are almost always guestimated at 500 or better. I fully expect to see a 700 horse number attached to a stock one sooner or later.;):D

I know I know, use a 7marine :rolleyes:

[HStream1]

First I commend you both for your efforts and goals!!!!!!! BRAVO!!! I would love to see a Black motor be the one as well. But while it doesn't suprise me hearing mercury's position. It still disappointes me. It's no wonder they are loosing there dealers of many years to Yamaha and Honda. My personal best buddy of 30+ years with mercury as a dealer finally cut ties with them. And it killed him. But it became all about them and F--- the dealer.

Unfortuniately I don't believe Honda or Yamaha has a platform to build on that will achieve the goal. And I would probably roll over if a rice burner accomplished it anyway. But it would hopefully teach Mercury (Brunswick) a lesson.

Back on Topic.

[kimswang]

Everyone seems to forget most of them came with a dyno sheet.


Just like all of Monty's engines...... just saying....

[Raceman]

I haven't read the whole thread, but it could very well be that Mercury fears some liability issues also if someone kills themselves with a Merc engine after getting official help from the factory. I recall a tale from a friend at Merc about some guy on the west coast that took a Merc champ mid and Speedmaster with a Yamaha powerhead adapted and promptly went out and killed himself with it. So the story goes, the widow and other heirs sued Merc and got a gazillion bucks from some twisted liberal jury.

[allison8503]

I would contact the guys oversea's that have and are building the turbo charged Hybusa motors and fitting them to a Mercury 12 inch F1 mid. Light weight compaired to the V-8. More horspower and torque than any of our old 2 strokes can make. You would have the capabilty of turning a wide range of RPM's for prop testing. A wide range of plug and play fuel/ignition/boost controllers. They have the best parts money can buy in them and from what I understand arent super outrageous on price. A conservative boosted busa will make 600 horspower, put it on methonal and crank the boost up and hold on! I just hope yall can find a gear case to hold up to the horsepower its going to take. Good luck.

[1BadAction]

I haven't read the whole thread, but it could very well be that Mercury fears some liability issues also if someone kills themselves with a Merc engine after getting official help from the factory.

I would bet money on this being the reason they are gun shy. Otherwise Mercury would probably screw a turbo'd VRAT to a 12" mid with a speedmaster and tell them to knock themselves out. The 2.5 in it's race incarnation is well proven among people that would buy them, Merc more than likely would want a Halo engine for the new millennium, and a design rooted in something 40 years old isn't it... That would be like GM backing a land speed record car powered by a Big Block.

[HStream1]

Well if it were a legal issue with merc, omc or who ever. Why not every race driver that got killed due to what ever reason can't their families sue OMC, Mercury, etc? I think its all about the glory without any money. Before Mercury became Brunswick none of this would have been a issue. They would have jumped all over it.

And I do stand corrected if I am wrong.

[oldschoolltv]

In this day and age everything has to go thru legal before it gets approved, 20+ years ago there was a lawsuit with a hydro builder and they sued the builder, the plywood company, the glue maker, the staple maker and any product that was used in the build process, and that was back then now it is worse, if they sponsor something boom they are directly connected, just my .02

[milkdud]

could very well be that Mercury fears some liability issues

That is a large part of it for sure.

Really enjoy this thred!
C

[DS77]

If a person really has their heart set on setting a record of any kind,its always the same u keep your eye on the goal do or die records are not set by half hearted people ,they are set by real men who will stop at nothing to reach their goal . steve

[Scream And Fly]

Very cool thread. Todd, I hope for the absolute best in your goals and above all, your safety.
If you make the run, I would sure love to photograph it.

Greg

[Scream And Fly]

Now you've gone and done it Joe. That comment will send the F1 V8 cult into a frenzy. Those engines have steadily gained horsepower among their worshippers since they were discontinued and are almost always guestimated at 500 or better. I fully expect to see a 700 horse number attached to a stock one sooner or later.;):D

Do you remember the thread here a long time ago about the secret stash of "top secret experimental" F1s that were supposedly produced? The reason I remember this is because your Allison with the T4/Speedmaster setup somehow got brought into the conversation, and then the engine comparisons began. According to somebody, those secret F1s made around 600++ HP. I need to find this thread; it was a while back, before VBulletin 3 so if the original thread-poster removed it, it won't be there. I'll say this much, I remember B. Leonard was fairly vocal on that thread. :)

Greg

[LongShot]

Now you've gone and done it Joe. That comment will send the F1 V8 cult into a frenzy. Those engines have steadily gained horsepower among their worshippers since they were discontinued and are almost always guestimated at 500 or better. I fully expect to see a 700 horse number attached to a stock one sooner or later.;):D

I have admired the work on the OMC V8 but plead ignorance on the nuances of the motor. Was the F1 motor significantly different from the fishing V8? I realize ignition and induction probably were but what about crank, rods, block etc? What does Monty start with when he builds one like Casey is running?

[Scream And Fly]

I have admired the work on the OMC V8 but plead ignorance on the nuances of the motor. Was the F1 motor significantly different from the fishing V8? I realize ignition and induction probably were but what about crank, rods, block etc? What does Monty start with when he builds one like Casey is running?

As far as I know it was an entirely different engine. I don't know much about them, though.

[STV_Keith]

Best of luck to you guys. Dan sure has a passion for it. I got to talk to him about the boat at the Parker Enduro 2 years ago. Sounds like a fun project!

Personally, I'd think a turbocharged Mercury on methanol would be the ticket. The V8's are bad ass, but I'd question whether you could keep one together at those power levels long enough to make the number and back it up.

[oldschoolltv]

Well Greg if it was on the internet it has to be true, also I hadnt heard Bruce Leonard's name in quite some time, Matt

[Mark Poole ModVP]

Wow, the RC idea a losers approach? Seems to work for the military (drones). This is the 21st century my friend. Donald Campbell, Lee Taylor and the Arfons kid come to mind when I think about getting behind the wheel and hitting the afterburner. But anyway I am glad to see an effort launched after such a long drought. Someone also needs to steal Ken Warby's 35 year old thunder!

[MattGreen]

As mentioned above, make sure you touch base with Bob Wartinger, he is a wealth of knowledge on the safety and aero aspects.

Matt


The only test dummy we plan to use is Dan, myself or someone with a lot of money who will pay me to drive. R/C is good idea, but a real person can feel what the boat is doing or may be needing adjusted, we know the risk. I personally have drove a Pugh hydro over 160 mph all out and have run into the 7's at 140 plus in the 1/4 when I bought Doo Dad from Jon Wright. I also owed a Alcohol hydro and made many passes over 200 in the 1/4 mile with it. I know this is a different animal, but we wanted that. Dan and I are talking now about everything we still need, so we will probably be reaching out to a lot of you for help before long.

[dazigg]

Not sure about the sponsorship liability, NASCAR sure does pull in a lot of sponsors. I'm sure the legalities could be worked beforehand.

Also, just thinking outside the box a bit, Red Bull energy drink seems to promote their drink thru alot of alternative/non mainstream sports. A quick email to them about your project might be productive. Ya never know.

[Mike Nass]

How about some pictures of the boat and the capsule?

[2.5_stoker]

Not sure about the sponsorship liability, NASCAR sure does pull in a lot of sponsors. I'm sure the legalities could be worked beforehand.

Also, just thinking outside the box a bit, Red Bull energy drink seems to promote their drink thru alot of alternative/non mainstream sports. A quick email to them about your project might be productive. Ya never know.

The RedBull thing is a good idea!

[RBT]

The f1 v8 isn't gonna do it, consider it is a piston port 3.5 l motor. It is essentially a big 2.4. Also remember that when it raced it was back in the 2.4 merc era, where 300 hp was pushing it. The numbers in the 390-410 mark are believable. I was told once, from inside second effort that the kilo motor was in the 450 range. Also consider that the hydro ran quicker than the 176, they just never put it all together for a better number.
Fast forward to today, guido ran almost 170 at the end of his kilo, in a tunnel. He also didnt have all that much motor compared to want is current. He was out of boat, not motor. A hydro will be a lot quicker, remove the skeg and run a rudder, run methanol with a radiator ( no water pickup drag ). The guido motor was UIM legal, this can be no holds barred. The little black motor CAN get it done, it will just take the right folks to do it.
The remote control idea, is brilliant for dial in.

[Tom Foley]

Seven Marine outboard, Speedmaster , on 30 lbs boost with a button .

[RBT]

Oh and I understand the Hartman v8 is now on an Omc mid, as mother merc didn't see the humor in someone else using their parts.
If the record were to be set with merc parts I would make them PAY to even mention it in there marketing

[hydrostream1]

Ray leach's old quartershot with the V-8 ,I would bet that made 500hp or better.

[Tom Foley]

This :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_QyUD6V5_I

[Spectre Powerboats]

I wanted to take a 12" Mercury mid and cut it down to about 8". has anyone ever cut one this short?

[milkdud]

I would sure love to photograph it. Me as well.

[afr]

subscribed i was looking at buying this hull my self a while back
its a shame that team all fell apart or they would have done it for sure by now

[afr]

when JW R.I.P was still alive and all this was coming together they had thoughts of using a over drive lu 10,000 rpm on the engine 20,000 on the prop

see if you can get a hold of bob wartniger he would be the man to talk to about the propulsion

[Spectre Powerboats]

subscribed i was looking at buying this hull my self a while back
its a shame that team all fell apart or they would have done it for sure by now

???? You mean looking at an outrigger??? Who's team fell apart??? I'm confused, because this boat was built for me. It has not been around, it was custom built for me by Dan Ellison, nobody else. Maybe I am reading your message wrong. Can you shine some light on it please. Thanks

[afr]

dan i spoke via email a year ago or so about it
jw was doing the power etc i dont want to air all this on the boards

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1017084_619153104763714_326384443_n.jpg

[Rayzor]

I researched going after this record three years ago.........Spring of 2010. I'm not here to stir the pot, but none of this is "news" to me. I'd highly recommend you speak to those with firsthand experience such as the aforementioned Bob Wartinger, or others such as Fred Hauenstein, Alex Hledin, Dave Bush, etc. - they will be the ones with credible advice.

[afr]

You are not the first to to see or have that rendering, I drew that picture and posted it yrs ago looking for sponsors or someone go after this record. The Idea is not new BUT Todd Lamb Is the one stepping up and actually getting this built and putting up his $. He has the first and only one of these hulls to date. All the rest is just BS!

10/4 i wish i could have did something back when myself
cool deal good luck i know you can get it done
we all see problem child all the time
i just looked back at the email that was back in 2010 we spoke of this ride lol

[Rodney Nance]

Here is a little secret. Jon Wright bought a full on NASCAR motor from Richard Childress.He figured out how he could stand it on it's end with one of his injection systems. He was going to run it with a big hydro hull, a tube mid section and some nitrous and he was pretty sure he could reset the record. Mercury not helping after all he did really pissed him off. Reid and I told him we were against it because it was not a real outboard. His reply was is the motor in the boat or hanging off the ass? I still think the record would mean more with a true outboard powerhead. But if he was still around I know he would be rooting for you guys. But then I would get a call from Kentucky when yall reset the record."Hey Head" we can go faster.

[LongShot]

Here is a little secret. Jon Wright bought a full on NASCAR motor from Richard Childress.He figured out how he could stand it on it's end with one of his injection systems. He was going to run it with a big hydro hull, a tube mid section and some nitrous and he was pretty sure he could reset the record. Mercury not helping after all he did really pissed him off. Reid and I told him we were against it because it was not a real outboard. His reply was is the motor in the boat or hanging off the ass? I still think the record would mean more with a true outboard powerhead. But if he was still around I know he would be rooting for you guys. But then I would get a call from Kentucky when yall reset the record."Hey Head" we can go faster.

Motor didn't end up in an old Buick did it?!? Euchee is open Hot Rod. I still need to get up to Kentucky and see if my big head will fit.

[Spectre Powerboats]

I look at it this way. It does not matter who has talked about it before. The time is here now, so what can we all do to get it done. Any help is appreciated and there has been a lot of good comments on here to help me look at other avenues. Let's all pull together and make it our record, not just mine and Dan's, but everyone who gets involved. Thanks guys

[Kam]

Best of luck. This is a very cool undertaking.

[King Dad]

I would presume that, "He with the most money, bears the most liability". What's a hold harmless agreement if it doesn't hold you harmless??

[Michael Dixon]

A 7 marine with a ten inch lower pulley, id 850 injectors, LS 9 cam, and some methanol injection would be close to 750 or so on pump gas at the prop and would push a boston whaler 200 mph. lol

[oldschoolltv]

Start a paypal account, take donations to get your name somewhere on the boat, Matt

[MODVP22]

A 7 marine with a ten inch lower pulley, id 850 injectors, LS 9 cam, and some methanol injection would be close to 750 or so on pump gas at the prop and would push a boston whaler 200 mph. lol

Finally someone jumped on the band wagon with me ;)

[largecar91]

But it weighs 9 million pounds (1050 really)

[FasterthanU]

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[STV_Keith]

I remember GRowe's twin turbo project. Too bad it got put on indefinite hold. :( Is GRowe even around anymore?

[kimswang]

I guess I could do a little research myself but.... Does anyone know the criteria for this record? I e is a foil allowed? Is suspension allowed? Do one have to use a prop? One hull/multihull? Recip/turbine? Etc etc etc.....

[phantomuk]

The RedBull thing is a good idea!

I think your best bet for sponsorship is peters and may. They love powerboat racing!! And Dave Bush has that YouTube vid of the 467hp dyno run.he would be a good bet!

Good luck and I will be following this!

[TMc]

I think Seaway Marine has restored the record boat and there was a rumor that Dave Bush was restoring the motor. There was post on BRF with some photos a while back. Instead of cutting down the Merc 12" why not go with the 6" OMC and speedmaster put what ever you want on top of it. I would think the OMC F-1 lower unit would better handle the hp required for breaking the record.

[phantomuk]

Would herring be a possibility for prop sponsorship? I think you would need some serious pitch props

[afr]

I think Seaway Marine has restored the record boat and there was a rumor that Dave Bush was restoring the motor. There was post on BRF with some photos a while back. Instead of cutting down the Merc 12" why not go with the 6" OMC and speedmaster put what ever you want on top of it. I would think the OMC F-1 lower unit would better handle the hp required for breaking the record.

its all done the last i heard

[RBT]

Why use a mid? Jon wright had it figured out.

[Spectre Powerboats]

Why use a mid? Jon wright had it figured out.

Your right. Jon made his own tower to house the transmission. He used nobody's mid, but his own design. I wish JW was here now.

[Spectre Powerboats]

Does anyone have an OMC 6" mid or know where one is at for an OMC V-8? What does everyone think about the 1st boat housing the baddest Mercury and the 2nd boat housing the baddest OMC? Then put them head to head. Maybe getting ahead of myself, but why not throw it out there.

[jphii]

Greg Jacobson has them.

[2.5_stoker]

Does anyone have an OMC 6" mid or know where one is at for an OMC V-8? What does everyone think about the 1st boat housing the baddest Mercury and the 2nd boat housing the baddest OMC? Then put them head to head. Maybe getting ahead of myself, but why not throw it out there.

I like it!!!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[afr]

Does anyone have an OMC 6" mid or know where one is at for an OMC V-8? What does everyone think about the 1st boat housing the baddest Mercury and the 2nd boat housing the baddest OMC? Then put them head to head. Maybe getting ahead of myself, but why not throw it out there.


ok i would even walk and or hitch hike if i had to to see that one

[300x Stoker]

I would sneak up on it using readily available power at first even though it sounds like the plan is to go out there with the Bomb and letting it eat. The remote control testing sounds like a safe plan if you have a well qualified RC boat racer at the controls.

[mrpenguin]

In my humble opinion, I would want to set the record with a real outboard. Even if it is a limited edition racing outboard but still one that other people could have purchased even modified. Once you get into putting motorcycle, car, airplane engines on custom midsection, its not really an outboard engine anymore. It is a custom engine that just happens to clamp onto the boat.

They had this issue with the fastest car record. After a while, it was just a plane with no wings and not a car anymore.

I would like to see the record set with either a 2.5 liter Mercury or the 3.5 liter Evinrude. My opinion does not matter at all as I dont have any skin in the game but that is my 2 cents.

I am excited to see someone go after the record. Please be safe.

[olboatman]

In my humble opinion, I would want to set the record with a real outboard. Even if it is a limited edition racing outboard but still one that other people could have purchased even modified. Once you get into putting motorcycle, car, airplane engines on custom midsection, its not really an outboard engine anymore. It is a custom engine that just happens to clamp onto the boat.

They had this issue with the fastest car record. After a while, it was just a plane with no wings and not a car anymore.

I would like to see the record set with either a 2.5 liter Mercury or the 3.5 liter Evinrude. My opinion does not matter at all as I dont have any skin in the game but that is my 2 cents.

I am excited to see someone go after the record. Please be safe.
I agree with mrpenquin--- I think the record would have more meaning if a production type outboard was used. Just my .02 also. Gary

[Scream And Fly]

Wouldn't the enormous weight of the Seven Marine engine be a serious issue? Also, what's the maximum RPM those engines can realistically run? You would bee like a 45P propeller. LOL

[HStream1]

:iagree: at 1045 lbs a max RPM of 5400 and assuming a 1:1 lower could be adapted you'd still need a 40 P prop and less than 3% slip



Wouldn't the enormous weight of the Seven Marine engine be a serious issue? Also, what's the maximum RPM those engines can realistically run? You would bee like a 45P propeller. LOL

[MODVP22]

Wouldn't the enormous weight of the Seven Marine engine be a serious issue? Also, what's the maximum RPM those engines can realistically run? You would bee like a 45P propeller. LOL

That's why I was poking fun at it. Come on Greg, that would look so awesome hanging on the transom of a little hydro....I mean, sinking a little hydro, LOL ;)

[1BadAction]

No reason you couldn't spin a 7 marine up past 7000ish for extended durations with stock rockers and upgraded springs. It's just an LS motor. Throw some good springs in it and let that bitch eat. If you want more than 9k it's doable. Core engine is around 450lbs IIRC. Still not really an outboard, though.

[malexie]

Use a 2 stroke outboard not a car engine/4 stoke. The true meaning of the record will be respected.

[keith scotton]

To make any reasonable shot at this I would think you would have to over drive the prop shaft like was done before 21 pinion 19 forward gear or props will get seriously in afficiant make very hard to get to the speed needed.

[afr]

1.1 ratio is out the prop has to be over driven like myself and others have said
its all about the money we have the machinist these days that can do anything they could dream up and pay for

[keith scotton]

A 21-19 is a ten percent over drive.

[baja200merk]

bush 3.3, already made 450HP on pump gas. gobs of power, F1 reliability 8000 rpm 1:1. It will make 50 kilo passes on the dyno before you get it.

[STV_Keith]

bush 3.3, already made 450HP on pump gas. gobs of power, F1 reliability 8000 rpm 1:1. It will make 50 kilo passes on the dyno before you get it.

What about a Bush 4.4 with tighter heads? The math says if you add 25% to it it would be 560+, and then tighten up the heads. The V8 (and cubic inches) still rules the roost for a naturally aspirated attempt.

How about a Monty M-Tech 4.4?

[baja200merk]

Plus today's cases and props will be a nice jump in mph alone.

[Rayzor]

If you guys want to start thinking outside the box, why not try and get your hands on an old F1 car engine - 3.0L naturally aspirated endurance engine, 900+hp at 19,000 rpm and only weighs 209lbs. Mount it vertically to a custom one-off CNC billet midsection mated to a proven 200mph gearcase - SSMVI offshore - fixed/no skeg and a rudder. With gear ratios from 1.6 to 1.2 and 19,000 rpm at the motor, propshaft rpm would be right in the sweet spot for efficient pitches at the predicted speeds. 200mph in back to back kilo runs will never happen with an old design two stroke engine.

[kimswang]

........ 200mph in back to back kilo runs will never happen with an old design two stroke engine.

When I read that it sometimes gets very expensive, however, so far I have always proven nay sayers wrong !

ANYTHING can be done !

[Rayzor]

I know about the expensive part - it cost me over $400k to have the fastest naturally aspirated/91 octane powered Skater that Peter has ever built. It didn't come to being from the advice of internet forums though - it took the knowledge of Mike D'Anniballe at Sterling Performance, Rik Wimp at Arneson Industries and of course Peter Hledin at Douglas Marine to do it! And, we did it with the first boat out of the mold, so we had nobody to rely on for setup help. If this brand new outboard rig is going to set any records, it's going to take the help from those that already have the experience of setting records. 200+mph on water is not easy to reach in back to back runs through the flying kilo, I don't care what boat/power you have......... That's why there have only been a few boats that have actually done it.

[mrpenguin]

I know about the expensive part - it cost me over $400k to have the fastest naturally aspirated/91 octane powered Skater that Peter has ever built. It didn't come to being from the advice of internet forums though - it took the knowledge of Mike D'Anniballe at Sterling Performance, Rik Wimp at Arneson Industries and of course Peter Hledin at Douglas Marine to do it! And, we did it with the first boat out of the mold, so we had nobody to rely on for setup help. If this brand new outboard rig is going to set any records, it's going to take the help from those that already have the experience of setting records. 200+mph on water is not easy to reach in back to back runs through the flying kilo, I don't care what boat/power you have......... That's why there have only been a few boats that have actually done it.


I disagree. There are many many knowledgeable people here with the talent, ideas and brains to make it happen. As you have stated anyone can have the fastest boat if they have a big enough checkbook.

Anyone with enough money could simply buy or duplicate the exist record holding boat/engine and beat the record. But that is not what they want to do. New ideas are born all the time and simply following the old ideas of the past is not what this is about. Innovation comes from people that refuse to follow the pack. If everyone is thinking the same then no one is thinking.

All it takes is money and a little time.

[Rayzor]

I disagree. There are many many knowledgeable people here with the talent, ideas and brains to make it happen. As you have stated anyone can have the fastest boat if they have a big enough checkbook.

Anyone with enough money could simply buy or duplicate the exist record holding boat/engine and beat the record . But that is not what they want to do. New ideas are born all the time and simply following the old ideas of the past is not what this is about. Innovation comes from people that refuse to follow the pack. If everyone is thinking the same then no one is thinking.

All it takes is money and a little time.

You are very wrong with your statement here. Talk to those that were involved with this record, or people truly knowledgeable about what it took to set this record and they will tell you otherwise............

[300x Stoker]

You need to do it with a single motor only??

[mrpenguin]

You are very wrong with your statement here. Talk to those that were involved with this record, or people truly knowledgeable about what it took to set this record and they will tell you otherwise............

I still respectfully disagree. Today it is much easier then it was 20 years ago. All it takes is money. The knowledge is more abundant then it was and technology has come leaps and bounds ahead.

Everyone knows the 176mph record was short of what that boat could do. It is a fact that they made much faster runs. Why couldnt someone buy that very boat, update a few things with modern CNC props and better EFI to easily beat the record.

There are several people here on this very website that could set a new OB speed record if they simply had a blank check. I am not minimizing what the previous record holders have done but a lot has changed and the information is out there.

I do agree that 200mph is much more difficult to obtain but breaking the 176mph OB record can be done with money. The one thing that I love about this site is the quote "I would rather be competitive with something that I built vs winning with someone that I bought." To me, this thread is great because it obvious the guy is not just a billionaire wanting a title but someone who is passionate.

That is why SOB racing is so great because it allows the average joe to run what he brung.

[dazigg]

I know it's a long ways off, but where are you gonna do test runs? If ya don't mind me asking, no worries if you don't wanna say.

[Mr. Demeanor]

I know it's a long ways off, but where are you gonna do test runs? If ya don't mind me asking, no worries if you don't wanna say.

River Ranch! :D

[RBT]

I still respectfully disagree. Today it is much easier then it was 20 years ago. All it takes is money. The knowledge is more abundant then it was and technology has come leaps and bounds ahead.

Everyone knows the 176mph record was short of what that boat could do. It is a fact that they made much faster runs. Why couldnt someone buy that very boat, update a few things with modern CNC props and better EFI to easily beat the record.

There are several people here on this very website that could set a new OB speed record if they simply had a blank check. I am not minimizing what the previous record holders have done but a lot has changed and the information is out there.

I do agree that 200mph is much more difficult to obtain but breaking the 176mph OB record can be done with money. The one thing that I love about this site is the quote "I would rather be competitive with something that I built vs winning with someone that I bought." To me, this thread is great because it obvious the guy is not just a billionaire wanting a title but someone who is passionate.

That is why SOB racing is so great because it allows the average joe to run what he brung.


Well said

[Scream And Fly]

I still respectfully disagree. Today it is much easier then it was 20 years ago. All it takes is money. The knowledge is more abundant then it was and technology has come leaps and bounds ahead.

Everyone knows the 176mph record was short of what that boat could do. It is a fact that they made much faster runs. Why couldnt someone buy that very boat, update a few things with modern CNC props and better EFI to easily beat the record.

There are several people here on this very website that could set a new OB speed record if they simply had a blank check. I am not minimizing what the previous record holders have done but a lot has changed and the information is out there.

I do agree that 200mph is much more difficult to obtain but breaking the 176mph OB record can be done with money. The one thing that I love about this site is the quote "I would rather be competitive with something that I built vs winning with someone that I bought." To me, this thread is great because it obvious the guy is not just a billionaire wanting a title but someone who is passionate.

That is why SOB racing is so great because it allows the average joe to run what he brung.

That's a great post - and I'm very happy to see people enjoying the site.

Greg

[FasterthanU]

Not sure if it's been posted on this thread yet, but its a pretty cool video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLDM1kE8pVw

[Spectre Powerboats]

I believe the record of 176 is not out of reach. In 1995 I took a Gary Pugh 16' hydro (Jon Wright's old Doo Dad), an Earl Moorman 2.5 on alcohol well over 400 hp, with a Wright's device and my own NOS system (.040 NOS holes and .038 fuel holes per cylinder approx. 175-200 hp.) and ran on a radar gun 168 mph spinning almost 10,500 rpm on a 1.1 #4 with one of Jon's props (remind you these props are for 1/4 mile, we had no top end props.) This was further than a 1/4 mile, stretching it out a bit. The motor needed more prop, but the boat and I had enough. It could have taken more pitch, but this was the biggest prop Jon had at the time. If someone has a way to take video from a VHS tape and put it on youtube, I will send it to you to post. Let me know, I'll dig for it. I want to do it with a true outboard first, than let's see what the future holds. Crawl, walk and run theory. :)

[oldschoolltv]

I never liked the locked down motor with a rudder, it just was not an outboard to me, I know it was safer and why they did it but I would like to see it with a true outboard, Matt

[mach351]

I must say....that I NEED to see that video. :cheers:

Would someone with the know how PLEASE take him up on the offer and convert the VHS to YouTube.

168 is haulin the mail!

[Kcraft]

Love too see that vid too:cool: or anything about these boats ...

[afr]

I believe the record of 176 is not out of reach. In 1995 I took a Gary Pugh 16' hydro (Jon Wright's old Doo Dad), an Earl Moorman 2.5 on alcohol well over 400 hp, with a Wright's device and my own NOS system (.040 NOS holes and .038 fuel holes per cylinder approx. 175-200 hp.) and ran on a radar gun 168 mph spinning almost 10,500 rpm on a 1.1 #4 with one of Jon's props (remind you these props are for 1/4 mile, we had no top end props.) This was further than a 1/4 mile, stretching it out a bit. The motor needed more prop, but the boat and I had enough. It could have taken more pitch, but this was the biggest prop Jon had at the time. If someone has a way to take video from a VHS tape and put it on youtube, I will send it to you to post. Let me know, I'll dig for it. I want to do it with a true outboard first, than let's see what the future holds. Crawl, walk and run theory. :)
sweet these guys here can get that done where is transomstand

[patchesII]

Send it to Greg. I'm sure he could do it

[dazigg]

Heck, just play the video on a big flat screen tv and record it on an iPhone.

[MN4V]

Cool boat but seems like it could use some aero lift. You don't have 5,000 hp like the drag boats do.
Here's a couple of photos of a super short stainless steel mid used by Molly Ballou on her Ron Jones drag hydro.
Mark N
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm315/MN392/ShortMid.jpg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/MN392/media/ShortMid.jpg.html)
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm315/MN392/ShortMid2.jpg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/MN392/media/ShortMid2.jpg.html)

[patchesII]

That mid must weigh a ton being made of stainless but very cool looking

[MN4V]

If you compare it to the OMC 6" or Merc 12" race mids it's very light.
The lower unit mounts about 4" below the powerhead.
Mark N

[Da Bull]

I watched that intire record video and not once did i hear the name Bob Wartinger. They simply refer to him as "the driver". Looked more like an infomercial for Mach props. It was cool to see the hydro run and hear the revs that old V-8 was turnning tho. Better than music.

To put things in prospective and relize that the first record they set was 155mph and only five mph faster than Dixon went in a Mod-VP boat with an F-1 Merc. Mind you the record must be set in a kilo and thats 5/8ths of a mile! Many drag boats went faster but they ain`t doin it in a kilo run either. You have to be at top speed when you enter the timming traps and hold it there for 5/8ths of a mile untill you exit the timming traps at the other end. Prolly not all that easy. Wartinger can`t count all the records he has set through the years so he knows how it`s done.

DB

[Spectre Powerboats]

Does anyone know how to get a hold of Jay Fisher? Jay crashed against me in the semi finals at a race in IL. and that was the last time I talked to him or saw him. He ran a Pugh hydro named Miss Lori with an OMC V-6 and V-8. He lived in Tennessee and worked for Johnson and Evinrude. This was 1994 or so. If anyone knows how to contact him, me let me know. Thanks

[Spectre Powerboats]

Also, need help getting a dolly trailer from Ohio to Arizona ASAP. Looking for someone in about 3-4 weeks to transport 1st boat from Arizona to Ohio must be hauled in an enclosed trailer. Let me know cost. Thanks

[Lake rat Skater]

Just a quick question, I know it is a ways out but do you have any idea on where you would want to try and break the record at? Indian Lake in the early morning?

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

Does anyone know how to get a hold of Jay Fisher? Jay crashed against me in the semi finals at a race in IL. and that was the last time I talked to him or saw him. He ran a Pugh hydro named Miss Lori with an OMC V-6 and V-8. He lived in Tennessee and worked for Johnson and Evinrude. This was 1994 or so. If anyone knows how to contact him, me let me know. ThanksFor some reason I thought he was from Georgia? anyway I would pm Racer(Stoker) seems like I remember him using Jay's tow rig back in the early 90's at the St. Louis roundy rounds

[Spectre Powerboats]

[QUOTE=Lake rat Skater;2490793]Just a quick question, I know it is a ways out but do you have any idea on where you would want to try and break the record at? Indian Lake in the early morning?[/QUOTE
Indian Lake will probably be a lot of the testing ground. The actual attempt site is still being discussed.

[oldschoolltv]

Do it with a v8 johnson on lake x:D:D:thumbsup:

[RBT]

do it with a v8 johnson on lake x:d:d:thumbsup:


awesome!

[STV_Keith]

To put things in prospective and relize that the first record they set was 155mph and only five mph faster than Dixon went in a Mod-VP boat with an F-1 Merc. Mind you the record must be set in a kilo and thats 5/8ths of a mile! Many drag boats went faster but they ain`t doin it in a kilo run either. You have to be at top speed when you enter the timming traps and hold it there for 5/8ths of a mile untill you exit the timming traps at the other end. Prolly not all that easy. Wartinger can`t count all the records he has set through the years so he knows how it`s done.

DB

At 200mph, you'd cover that kilo in 11 seconds. Of course it will take some time to get there. Doesn't have to last too long though.

[Lake rat Skater]

[QUOTE=Lake rat Skater;2490793]Just a quick question, I know it is a ways out but do you have any idea on where you would want to try and break the record at? Indian Lake in the early morning?[/QUOTE
Indian Lake will probably be a lot of the testing ground. The actual attempt site is still being discussed.

That's great news, I know it will be awhile but once you start testing my dad and I, Jon Gillespie, will gladly watch and can be a camera boat.

[Tcatrett]

This is cool! Good luck and be safe.

[Michael Dixon]

I think Dave Bush's motor would be the motor of choice for the optimum power in a two stroke. But I still think with a hydro and a healthy 2.5 that 200 mph could be achieved. Prop it for 9200 which is peak horsepower with a 26 pitch prop with 1:1 gearing. A nitrous system that came in gradually and ramped up to 250 horsepower should be plenty. I.d prefer a four blade for better driveability. Good Luck

[DS77]

A hydro set up right will almost drive its self u can't really compare it to a tunnel 2 blades have half the drag as a 4blade in this case maybe 8- 12 mph. at 200MPH. DS77

[rod007]

I agree Ray, a 2,5 dose not have enough azz to do the job, and who wants to risk dying to get the jog done. Heaven help whoever tries though!!!

[Michael Dixon]

honestly don't know how much easier a hydro would be to push than a full weight river rocket but in testing the 2.5 I ran would push a 1250 pound rocket to 147 mph with out nitrous. From what I'm hearing a hydro would be much easier to push not to mention the prop would be in clean water and not behind the pad as with the STV. Never driven a hydro so I wouldn't have a clue to how efficient they are.

[Dave S]

The last 10 Mph are killer

[DS77]

honestly don't know how much easier a hydro would be to push than a full weight river rocket but in testing the 2.5 I ran would push a 1250 pound rocket to 147 mph with out nitrous. From what I'm hearing a hydro would be much easier to push not to mention the prop would be in clean water and not behind the pad as with the STV. Never driven a hydro so I wouldn't have a clue to how efficient they are.
A hydro does not pack near as much air as a tunnel they also dispatch it much quicker & set up right they will run almost level,when my hydro unwets at around 115 it gets very quite inside cell & smooth under your boat just hitting running surfaces from time 2 time 4 point with any tunnel at high speeds u have 2 lower motor height 2 grab more water 993 x more dense than air or u will really take flight .on a hydro u keep about 3 " of blade in the water& let it eat . a tunnel is a great boat but 4 running 200 i would think BAD idea Peace steve

[Instigator]

Way cool thread.

IMO, the power it takes to turn a prop the RPM you need for 200.0000001 is TORQUE not HP's. Also, IMO, the more pitch, the less efficent the prop at speed. So the prop calculator #'s w/36"+ pitch are meaningless. They would also paddle wheel the boat around if you could get it there.

Lastly, a GPS/Radar gun blast is WAYYYY different than a Kilo run. Run in, Kilo attempt, run out, reverse, repeat. Now, multiply that times a bazzilion testing and actual attempt passes and I can't imagine how many door stops you'd end up with.
Regardless of motor breed.

Also like the comment on the $400K, fastest Skater. Way different in real life than on a message board ;) There's a reason that record has lasted as long as it has.

Awesome stuff though. Huge fan and biggest supporter. The Indian Lake comments told if it's the Lamb I thought it was. And it is :)

And lastly, I dare yah ;)

[FrenchPhil]

So how does a Hydro compare to an Outrigger ?

[Instigator]

So how does a Hydro compare to an Outrigger ?
An outrigger is a hydro but w/drastically reduced lift due to the reduced surface area of the bottom, w/most being removed between the main bottom and the sponsons.
The inboard guys have been running them for yrs.

I'll scan and post pix's of an O/B version I helped build 28 yrs ago.

[Instigator]

State of the art circa '1985 ;)

From the genius of Tim Butts. Timmy really liked what he was seeing in the RC racing back then and this is what ruled the roost.
He got stung bad from an extremely violent blow over and this was his answer to assuring that never happened again.

Approx. 120 lb hull weight and 200 HP's.

No, it did not work, at least on an oval course. From what we know/knew, they work great in a straight line but not turning w/the greatly reduced surface area of the bottom and drastic loss of lift.

BTW, Timmy also got a call from OMC prior to their record attempt as well. They wanted to know what he thought about the chances of him building a boat to go after the O/B kilo record. He told them it'd be cake but he wanted the outright propeller driven record (I think 201 at the time) or nothing at all.
Their check book wasn't big enough.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll255/Instigatorspixs/buttsoutriggerfront1985_zpsc66ec773.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Instigatorspixs/media/buttsoutriggerfront1985_zpsc66ec773.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll255/Instigatorspixs/buttsoutrigger_zps7a5d665e.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Instigatorspixs/media/buttsoutrigger_zps7a5d665e.jpg.html)

[afr]

very nice gary that wood is sweet

[MN4V]

Interesting photo. I never noticed the ground effect air traps under the cockpit.
Mark N

[Instigator]

Interesting photo. I never noticed the ground effect air traps under the cockpit.
Mark N
Was Timmys last attempt at a clean sheet of paper w/all the built in safety valves he could think of.
Every time you look at it you notice something different. A lay down boat as well.
Notice the sponson, aileron connectors that someone suggested for the boat that this thread is focused on ; ) 1985
He was the first to use the same approach on the main deck on the conventional pickle forks. They were airplane wings.

Same guy at a 100+ w/a 30 cu in motor in the '70's. Notice the leading edge of the front deck. I really like the helmut cut out in the trailing edge of the cowling too ;) Would be the last thing you ever saw in a stuff though.
Driven properly, those boats flew the entire race at that angle of attack. Wide, fast turns w/the motor on the pipe.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll255/Instigatorspixs/timmy.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Instigatorspixs/media/timmy.jpg.html)

Sorry for the hijack guys.

[Rodney Nance]

Jay Fisher Fisher And Associates Calhoun Ga. 706-629-6655

[STV_Keith]

I watched that intire record video and not once did i hear the name Bob Wartinger. They simply refer to him as "the driver". Looked more like an infomercial for Mach props. It was cool to see the hydro run and hear the revs that old V-8 was turnning tho. Better than music.

DB

See the part two video around the 1:55 mark. Bob talks for a little bit about driving it when it hit the water foul.


http://youtu.be/3yr7F2uSOU8

[olboatman]

Hey Instigator Thanks for sharing all that info with us-- This thread has become addictive! Gary

[SCT]

Alan G. looks young in the video!

[BUZZIN' DOZEN]

For some reason I thought he was from Georgia? anyway I would pm Racer(Stoker) seems like I remember him using Jay's tow rig back in the early 90's at the St. Louis roundy rounds


Jay Fisher Fisher And Associates Calhoun Ga. 706-629-6655Thought so

[CptAJ]

Instigator, that boat must've been one crazy ride. Amazing pics.

This thread is full of solid awesome. Can we get more pics/reports from the team here? Come on, let us live vicariously!

[Instigator]

See the part two video around the 1:55 mark. Bob talks for a little bit about driving it when it hit the water foul.


http://youtu.be/3yr7F2uSOU8
Still sucks. I was in line, front and center for that stupid video and Bobby or who ever said it was right, it was purely a PR advertisement for Mach propellers.
Garbreicht never even mentioned Wartinger by name. Who by the way is an aeronautic engineer. Pure crap.
Never heard of or seen a record setting driver being treated w/less respect. I know the guy is dead but he was still an a.hole and everyone I knew that knew him, said the same.

Glad you guys liked the pix's I posted. Was a special time in my life.

[Spectre Powerboats]

Thanks, Rodney. Your still on my list to call.

[Spectre Powerboats]

I need a favor. Anyone know anyone heading from Ohio to Phoenix Arizona, I need a 15' dolly trailer hauled to Dan Ellison as cheap as I can get it there. Also, to all S&F members for all of your help. If any of you are interested in the items I have on ebay. Just mention you are a S&F member and the girls in the office will take 15% off for you. Trying to liquidate a bunch of stuff to keep this project moving forward. Thanks for all the help guys. This is exciting!!! PS here is the link to my ebay stuff http://www.ebay.com/sch/aerotechllc/m.html?item=111044846777&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562

[Lockjaw]

Get one of these and attach to a mid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3t3VcEIB-Q

That should get you the power you need and the ability to run high rpms.

[bep078]

Running a 36" prop at 10,000 rpm with 1.62 gears and assuming 5% slip should get you there. Of course, building a boat that is capable hydro-dynamically and aerodynamically of such speeds and a motor with big enough N*TZ is another story :D Oh, and then there's the gearcase :confused:

[patchesII]

Any case that holds 1.62 gear ain't gonna do it

[Spectre Powerboats]

Here is the Mercury figures I was using. Boat complete with driver will be under 1000 lbs., S3000 modified with nitrous, cut down 12"mid., cut down #4 speed master without the skeg, 10,000 RPM's with a 26 pitch prop, 5% slip, rudder steered and more. If the boat, motor and driver can all stay together, on paper you should run into the 200 mph range. It will have to be done with a #4 or an old OMC F1 case, not a production case. I am working on the OMC figures now to see what it will take. I actually had someone tell me the other day, screw doing it the APBA kilo way, call Guinness and just set a top speed record, not worry about the kilo. So, it has me thinking.

[Instigator]

screw doing it the APBA kilo way, call Guinness and just set a top speed record, not worry about the kilo. So, it has me thinking.
Great idea but I'm sure they will want verification. Plus everyone else will say it doesn't count.

Guess you decide if that matters or not.

[Hoss Marine Propellers]

............ 10,000 RPM's with a 26 pitch prop, 5% slip, rudder steered and more. If the boat, motor and driver can all stay together, on paper you should run into the 200 mph range............. Theoretically your numbers would be 246 mph at no slip and 201.72 mph @ 18% slip!!!!! At 5% slip you'd be at 233.7 mph!!!!


............. I actually had someone tell me the other day, screw doing it the APBA kilo way, call Guinness and just set a top speed record, not worry about the kilo. So, it has me thinking........... The UIM is THE sanctioning body for world records and the APBA is the ONLY organization recognized in the USA for the UIM. You can still set any records you want though any organization but the 176 mph record would still stand as the "recognized" record! even if you went 233.7 mph!!!!! ........ So, if you're going to the trouble & expense to break the "recognized" record, then why wouldn't you go ahead and BREAK IT!!!!!! ......... Just something else to think about????

[oldschoolltv]

I think he is just talking about a one time top speed, radar or just maybe a timed shorter distance not the full kilo, Matt

[CptAJ]

I'm gonna have to agree with the people saying it won't count if you do it otherwise.

"Outboard top speed boat" is already vague enough. What is an outboard? What is a boat? Where does it stop being an outboard and just become a jet engine hanging on the ass of the boat? Where does it stop being a boat and become an airplane? etc.

Why muddy the waters even more than they already are? Go for the record the right way. If later someone comes and breaks the honor system and does it another way, you can always come back and beat them at it.

Or... just do it both ways on the same day?

[Chaz]

Gary,
Looks like they paid attention to his handy work ... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FP0QUB4BdE



Was Timmys last attempt at a clean sheet of paper w/all the built in safety valves he could think of.
Every time you look at it you notice something different. A lay down boat as well.
Notice the sponson, aileron connectors that someone suggested for the boat that this thread is focused on ; ) 1985
He was the first to use the same approach on the main deck on the conventional pickle forks. They were airplane wings.

Same guy at a 100+ w/a 30 cu in motor in the '70's. Notice the leading edge of the front deck. I really like the helmut cut out in the trailing edge of the cowling too ;) Would be the last thing you ever saw in a stuff though.
Driven properly, those boats flew the entire race at that angle of attack. Wide, fast turns w/the motor on the pipe.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll255/Instigatorspixs/timmy.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Instigatorspixs/media/timmy.jpg.html)

Sorry for the hijack guys.

[Instigator]

Gary,
Looks like they paid attention to his handy work ... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FP0QUB4BdE

Charlie, they've actually been racing lay down boats in Europe way before Timmy built his. They ran on rougher courses than we did and that kept them in the boats.
Back in the day when our guys were still racing on their knees as in the picture you attached, the foreigners had different boats just for racing over here in the states.

[native2]

Here ya go...

http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?268219-Big-Block-Merc!&p=2493405#post2493405

[TMc]

Hey Aerotech I'm thinking you gonna need a transmission like Jon Wright had. I remember reading back in the day in the Evinrude magazine that used to come to dealers the record guys saying to get to 200 was going to take a two speed gear case and possible a turbo. Bennie Roberson told me that he had some F-1 V-8's that were way more than 3.5's he said he had some that were 4.0 + .

[Rodney Nance]

Here is one way to do it.278144

[Instigator]

Here is one way to do it.278144
Correct me if I'm wrong Rodney but that looks like an OMC ;)

[Rodney Nance]

It started out as one. Wright had a very twisted imangination.

[Instigator]

It started out as one. Wright had a very twisted imangination.
He was a stud.

I remember him asking me about the big bore carbs at the Rumble one yr. After listening to me he said he's been looking at that OMC block (I may have sold him his 1st one for that project??) and decided he could build his own manifold and screw on a holley 4 barrel double pumper carburetor.
I think beer came out my nose.
Best part about Jon, he was dead serious ;)

He got my attention when he called me to tell me he wanted to break his own record and wanted to do it w/an OMC.
I still have video somewhere from when you guys brought it to the Rumble and made passes w/it.

[Rodney Nance]

278153Gary if you can find that video I would like to see it. We didn't run it a bunch but that was the most boring/fast rides that Jon told me he had ever took. That is what got him thinking about going real fast 2 times thru a kilo. The gps said 152 that day and Jon said there was a lot left. The back of the boat is real wet and the tune up was still fat. We eased into it and made our mistakes in front of everybody there. Then that last adjustment woke it up some.

[powerabout]

wouldn't this project start with models in a wind tunnel then you get the HP requirement and find out if the boat works at that speed?
before the model a CFD guy might already tell you that data?

[engineermike]

wouldn't this project start with models in a wind tunnel then you get the HP requirement and find out if the boat works at that speed?
before the model a CFD guy might already tell you that data?

I was kinda thinking the same thing. These efforts are usually preceded by lots and lots of math. I remember reading in "Iron Fist" that the engineers already knew the blowover speed of Gary Walin's boat and already knew it was capable of going faster. They installed a speedometer and gave him a do-not-exceed speed, which he exceeded and blew it over, but that's not the point. The point is that the characteristics of the boat were very well understood before they ever put it in the water, and that was long before the days of CFD.

[BarryStrawn]

wouldn't this project start with models in a wind tunnel then you get the HP requirement and find out if the boat works at that speed?
before the model a CFD guy might already tell you that data?

Since the boat already exists the logical next step is to bolt on a readily available and well understood engine and see what happens. For example, how does it run with a regular Champ or S3000 engine? That should reveal any large issues with the boat design and indicate how much engine it will take to get over 200mph.

I don't think there are any CFD guys for this kind of work.

[powerabout]

Since the boat already exists the logical next step is to bolt on a readily available and well understood engine and see what happens. For example, how does it run with a regular Champ or S3000 engine? That should reveal any large issues with the boat design and indicate how much engine it will take to get over 200mph.

I don't think there are any CFD guys for this kind of work.
Yes I would agree but didnt some guys do CFD the work on Al Copeland sons boat ( I forgot his name) who is/was going for unlimited prop driven record which is about 220mph
I would have thought 200mph car stuff would contain lots of data, small object close to static surface that needs to control lift etc etc?

[LongShot]

[QUOthat TE=Rodney Nance;2493965]Here is one way to do it.278144[/QUOTE]
That one has feeling hurting potential!

[Tom Foley]

Though not an outboard there is some good info on this little vid with legendary unlimited pilot Dave Villwock . watch this video regarding record attempts etc . Also just some great footage !

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[Instigator]

Though not an outboard there is some good info on this little vid with legendary unlimited pilot Dave Villwock . watch this video regarding record attempts etc . Also just some great footage !
Awesome video Tom. Never seen it before.
He was one lucky SOB to lose the rudder, prop and strut on a kilo pass and survive!
The crash footage really gives an idea of how violent a crash at speed can be.

[Spectre Powerboats]

1) Anyone got a covered trailer coming from Phoenix, AZ to Ohio to haul first boat in about 3 weeks? Let me know cost. 2) Anyone seen a Mercury mid shorter than 12" new style? 3) Who is the best for re-splining drive shafts (not big on cutting and welding them)? Thanks in advance

[kimswang]

1) Anyone got a covered trailer coming from Phoenix, AZ to Ohio to haul first boat in about 3 weeks? Let me know cost. 2) Anyone seen a Mercury mid shorter than 12" new style? 3) Who is the best for re-splining drive shafts (not big on cutting and welding them)? Thanks in advance
Kevin at Bobs Machine did a fantastic job with my driveshafts.

[afr]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/944125_472937636121471_712467125_n.jpg
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Victoy-Performance/437955902952978

[Spectre Powerboats]

I have been having some good info. for the OMC stuff. Found good 6"mid, good gear cases and some big hp V-8's. I have run 4.0's on a checkmate and a velocity, but never in a race applications. Have always been Mercury, but change may be good. I just need to make a decision and go with it. Question for you OMC guys. I was told today that they have seen same horsepower with a carb V-8 as a efi V-8. Believable because at wide open throttle the motor only knows air and fuel.

[powerabout]

I have been having some good info. for the OMC stuff. Found good 6"mid, good gear cases and some big hp V-8's. I have run 4.0's on a checkmate and a velocity, but never in a race applications. Have always been Mercury, but change may be good. I just need to make a decision and go with it. Question for you OMC guys. I was told today that they have seen same horsepower with a carb V-8 as a efi V-8. Believable because at wide open throttle the motor only knows air and fuel.
thats the story with any engine at WOT
( less the fuel particle size which may or may not make a difference)

[Instigator]

I was told today that they have seen same horsepower with a carb V-8 as a efi V-8. Believable because at wide open throttle the motor only knows air and fuel.
I think the carby F-1 V-8's were rate at 380 - 390 and the EFI's were @ 400. All dyno #'s.
The motor doesn't care where it gets it's fuel/air from. EFI is way more tractable and infinitely tunable where carby's aren't.
Keep in mind too (you probably already know this) the race V-8's share zero w/the recreational motors. Total clean sheet of paper and one of the few things OMC did right. Apples to oranges.
As others have said, when your going to need the level power you will, why start w/something modified to the gills to even get you started?

Rumors are Dave Bush was making 557 HP's, on the motor, w/his V-6 OMC in Pro Gas tune. If you multiply that # X 1.33 to simulate the addition of 2 cylinders, you're at 741. Now open the bottle.

Heres a link to an ad for an ancient, carbureted offshore V-8. Study the #'s then find anything else that starts anywhere close to that.
One thing to note in the ad, pump gas ; )

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll255/Instigatorspixs/offshoread.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Instigatorspixs/media/offshoread.jpg.html)




Here is some of Montys handy work w/a V-8. I believe this one started as a fish motor. I think they are now able to end up w/a 5.0 liter motor which I don't think they can do w/the race block.
There's an old saying that says, "if you need a big engine, why start w/a small one?"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaBbSKOfYQ8



(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaBbSKOfYQ8)

[powerabout]

wot ya saying?
I'll bet the coils were the same
lol
Cheers

[Instigator]

Some eye candy for the faithful.

Learned three things w/my little visit to Montys shop today.

#1. I dind't buy enough epoxy for my current project.

#2. I will, still build a V-8

#3. Still can't get my micrometers past his metal detector!

V-8 w/Montys magic including his big bore sleeves. W/stock crank, this motor is now 264 cu.in's.
That's 4.4 liters for you keeping track at home.

Enjoy....



(http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Instigatorspixs/media/montyv-8e-tecfront_zps8088c3d1.jpeg.html)http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll255/Instigatorspixs/montybogborev-8_zpsc72114c2.jpeg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/Instigatorspixs/media/montybogborev-8_zpsc72114c2.jpeg.html)

Didn't think they made a V-8 E-Tec?? They didn't. Try and tell Monty that ;)
Between the block and the front 1/2, you/we can't even imagine the amount of time the guys has in this thing.

Kim S, I saw yours in line.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll255/Instigatorspixs/montyv-8e-tecfront_zps8088c3d1.jpeg

[RBT]

I can't figure out the v8 thing as the pulse tuning on a v6 is MUCH better, the hp a v6 makes cannot be converted in a linear fashion to a v8.
For the kilo, I would have concerns with a big bore motor disappating heat for kilo run.
I still think a little merc could do it. I would also use a fabricated mid, nothing existing is ideal, none are fixed, all are a lot heavier than required.

[Spectre Powerboats]

Who has the closest dyno to Ohio? Needs to be capable of at least 700 plus hp. for OMC.

[StratosVT]

Who has the closest dyno to Ohio? Needs to be capable of at least 700 plus hp. for OMC.

Probably doesn't exist, but as has been said many many many times in this thread, Dave Bush or Monty is who you need to ask! There is no one here on S&F who has dealt with that kind of horsepower so you need to pick up the phone to get the help you want. ;)

[Instigator]

There is no one here on S&F who has dealt with that kind of horsepower so you need to pick up the phone to get the help you want. ;)
Bingo.
Great advice Harry. Be easy to spend a ton of money figuring out who the arm chair quarter backs are and who walks the walk.

Only two dynos I know, capable of doing the deed are both out west. Montys dyno is in his head ;)
Everyone on the planet combined has probably built less V-8's than he has.

Been in Fla 7 yrs now and this is the 1st time I wish I was back in Ohio ;)

[Instigator]

Had a PM from a member asking about the epoxy on Montys V-8 block. for anyone else curious, here is what I replied:

Montys porting is so radical that it penetrates the stock block. He builds up the areas w/welding and epoxy to have an area to grind and to re-seal it.

[ultrafast]

That one gonna run. Lotsa air in lotsa air out!

[Instigator]

That one gonna run. Lotsa air in lotsa air out!
I like the shot looking through the front 1/2 @ the rod slots ;)

[Chaz]

I like the shot looking through the front 1/2 @ the rod slots ;)

What ? No picture from the deck side ... :nonod:

How are those big sleeves stabilized .. :eek:

Probably uses some of them old leftover Hondasaki parts ... ;)

[powerabout]

ya the deck looked interesting
maybe easier to sand cast the F1 blocks again?
Does Seaway have the drawings?

[Instigator]

What ? No picture from the deck side ... :nonod:

How are those big sleeves stabilized .. :eek:

To the first question, no ;)

To the 2nd one, I know but am not allowed to divulge under penalty of death.

Funny Chaz, over the yrs I've been lucky enough to see much, high zoot stuff behind scenes and mainly becuase they know I can be trusted for whats on the record and what ain't.
Kinda cool.

[powerabout]

I reckon they could be like the guys ( Darton) doing 7 ltr sleeves in the first ls1 blocks, all tied together and the deck is the sleeve as is common in race engines

[Chaz]

G-Money ,
Sooo .. you was within 5000 feet of my shop and didn't stop in .. :nonod: :D

The Hondasaki blurb was a bone twords the machinist who did some of the deck side work. If you hung out at Miami Hollywood in the late 70's early 80's you would have seen a fairly stock (pro) looking 750 Honda with a healthy 900 Kawasaki motor in it ... Same guy .. ;)

[mach351]

So, back on track....Aerotech - what's your plan once you get the boat in your hands? Any timeframe? Made any progress on getting it shipped?

[Instigator]

The Hondasaki blurb was a bone twords the machinist who did some of the deck side work.
I figured either that or it was your handi work.

[Chaz]

I figured either that or it was your handi work.

You know Monty's got a wide network .. ;)

When it comes to outboards ... He's like this guy .. :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMBycZq66ks


mach351
So, back on track....Aerotech - what's your plan once you get the boat in your hands? Any timeframe? Made any progress on getting it shipped?

Mach .. we just kickin it, keepin it on the front page .. untill the next report .. ;)

[mjscrap]

Thanks for the honorable mention chaz

I just make the parts

gordon is the man

Remember keep your feet on the pegs and your front wheel in the air MJ

[MN4V]

Mike Wienandt could be a good source for engine development. http://www.wptracing.com/
He has many connections in the engine design field. And he designs his own too. I think he lives in Florida, designing two stroke drone motors for the military.
Also Ron Anderson is another person who does engine development. Don't have a contact number but Greg Jacobsen at Seaway Marine would know.
Greg would have the mid and lower you need. He bought all the tooling for the OMC race outboards. http://www.seawaymarine.com/
Mark N

[Spectre Powerboats]

So, back on track....Aerotech - what's your plan once you get the boat in your hands? Any timeframe? Made any progress on getting it shipped?
The plans were to attempt the record this fall, but realistically it will be spring next year. To get 2 boats done and ready I just do not see it being done by then. I will be calling Bush and Monty this week. I am nervous about the switch to OMC, but I like the idea. I might put a S3000 on one to see what it would do on all motor, just out of curiosity.

[Spectre Powerboats]

I'll be honest. One of the reasons I have not called Bush, is the rumor was that his camp had some talk of record running 1/4 mile and kilo in his Pugh hydro. Like I said, "Rumor" I did not hear this from him, but I will be asking. I don't care about the 1/4 mile, but did not want a conflict with the kilo.

[Instigator]

I might put a S3000 on one to see what it would do on all motor, just out of curiosity.
Great idea.Would give you a good bench line.

[Spectre Powerboats]

I talked to Gordon today. Top notch guy. Wish I had him building motors in the early 90's when we were running unlimited outboard. Getting a lot accomplished this week. Email sent and heard back from Frank Mole on transportation options. Trying to get it together. I am working on getting some of the old unlimited outboard VHS runs on youtube and will let everyone know when they are up. I have to thank all of you here on S&F, you all have been very helpful in many ways. Even though there have been a lot of opinions on which way to go. You all have provided me with a wealth of contacts, information and new thoughts to approaching this. Thanks

[Frank Molé]

this is a great thread,would love to be involved....................:thumbsup: :)

[kimswang]

I talked to Gordon today. Top notch guy.

Anyone saying anything different, has never dealt with him.

[Capt.Insane-o]

\o/ ...

[AlanButts]

this is the 1st time in as long as i can remember reading every single post on a thread , you have my attention, that vessel is simply menacing , I think you're on the right track , not to sound like a patsy for merc. but shake it down a few times with the s3000 add a power adder ,play with props and ratios , the KISS theory . Anxiously awaiting more on this one .

[robertpitter]

i want to see this

[Spectre Powerboats]

Boat scheduled to be picked up next Saturday and make its trip to Ohio. Decided to build my own steering and rudder. Will start posting old videos of Unlimited Hydros I promised in earlier text. Got another big deal I can't wait to announce. Just working out the final details.

[PARKER RABE]

What's the latest news?

[hydr0_scrm2]

Hopefully this happens
Good luck

[Spectre Powerboats]

Who out there has a brand new S3000 power head, with engine cowl, 12" hydraulic up/dn in/out mid and #4 speedmaster dealer or private? It all has to be 100% brand new. PM me price and contact info. or post it. I'm getting ready to call some dealers I know and get pricing, but any help I can get is appreciated. This does not mean the OMC deal is dead, the Mercury may go on the first boat. Thanks

[afr]

Who out there has a brand new S3000 power head, with engine cowl, 12" hydraulic up/dn in/out mid and #4 speedmaster dealer or private? It all has to be 100% brand new. PM me price and contact info. or post it. I'm getting ready to call some dealers I know and get pricing, but any help I can get is appreciated. This does not mean the OMC deal is dead, the Mercury may go on the first boat. Thanks
i would call marty or brendon be kinda tough i would think in the middle of the race season for someone to part with one