your 2-stroke for a brand new 4-stroke

[MrG]

Zero they can’t make it past 7 years in saltwater environments

[powerabout]

Yamaha had HPDI and Tohatsu purchased the rights to Orbital, as did Mercury. Maybe the Orbital license was expensive

as it happens they all bought orbital rights, which at the time shows they had no other tech.
The ficht idea was the clear winner but OMC's implementation rushed to market early fatally wounded that.
Moving onto e-tec where they added electronic closing of the injector was great for emissions and the engines became reliable.
Saying that plenty of fichts did big hours

[powerabout]

Yamaha had HPDI and Tohatsu purchased the rights to Orbital, as did Mercury. Maybe the Orbital license was expensive

omc bought a licence as well. they all did as nothing else on the market
HP direct injection is a poor cousin, Yam, nothing to invent just get it to work

[David]

HPDI had been around for decades, but that doesn’t make it the wrong answer. It’s a lot simpler than the orbital system.

[David - WI]

“BRP realized very early on that there were some rather distinct and significant advantages to pursuing the Direct Injection two-stroke path for Evinrude Outboards. Namely, superior torque, greater fuel efficiency, vastly reduced maintenance requirements, as well as lower emissions. Emissions compliance was never in question, as the DI technology, contrary to popular belief, is actually advantaged in terms of reportable emissions. In fact, the technology is so efficient that the latest Evinrude E-TEC G2 engines produce up to 75% fewer emissions than competitive 4-stroke outboard engines, making them the cleanest emissions gasoline outboards in the industry. However, they also anticipated that consumer perception would be that 4-stroke technology was the only "clean" technology, since emissions compliant, Direct Injection was a relatively new concept and technology to the average consumer. That being said, the decision to pursue the Direct Injection two-stroke path was consistent with BRP's culture and philosophy. Go with the technology that is best for the product's application and the user's experience."

https://www.screamandfly.com/content...utboard/view/3

[Chaz]

Zero they can’t make it past 7 years in saltwater environments

This fact seems to have went way over many people's heads. Or their need for bug power numbers has clouded their rose colored glasses.
Thin wall castings, lots of nooks and crannies for water to "linger" .. equals rot between cooling ducts and ports, chambers, crankcases ..

Why do I have water in my oil .. ????

Welp .. seems you went from Porky to Sir rots a lot .. Your a baller, just buy a couple new ones ..

[powerabout]

This fact seems to have went way over many people's heads. Or their need for bug power numbers has clouded their rose colored glasses.
Thin wall castings, lots of nooks and crannies for water to "linger" .. equals rot between cooling ducts and ports, chambers, crankcases ..

Why do I have water in my oil .. ????


Welp .. seems you went from Porky to Sir rots a lot .. Your a baller, just buy a couple new ones ..

Had a buddy with a 100 Yam on a pontoon boat here in asia low hours, ate away in about 7 years even though it was flushed often

[fixer68]

Zero they can’t make it past 7 years in saltwater environments

If this is true how can they offer up to an 8 year warranty? 3 years standard + 5 year extended available. Even on the R series.

• Provides up to eight years of total coverage for your engine. (Mercury Limited Warranty + Product Protection)
  
• A factory-backed extended service contract, Mercury Product Protection is administered 100% by Mercury Marine
  
• Is non-declining coverage. The value of the coverage does not decrease over the life of the contract.
  
• Is transferable to subsequent owners, which typically increases the resale value of your engine.
  
• Must be purchased before your engine’s Mercury Limited Warranty expires. Once purchased, Mercury Product Protection coverage takes effect the day the Mercury Limited Warranty expires.

[Chaz]

I've been able to fix some .. but most by the time a head or block gets to me ... it's beyond me putting my name on it ... But - but - but, they want $3000.00 for a new head (small honda) .. yea, I know ..

Like I said @ the beginning of the "Pork Chop Revolution" Get back to me in ten years .. and tell me how the last couple have been ..

[David - WI]

If this is true how can they offer up to an 8 year warranty? 3 years standard + 5 year extended available. Even on the R series.

• Provides up to eight years of total coverage for your engine. (Mercury Limited Warranty + Product Protection)
• A factory-backed extended service contract, Mercury Product Protection is administered 100% by Mercury Marine
• Is non-declining coverage. The value of the coverage does not decrease over the life of the contract.
• Is transferable to subsequent owners, which typically increases the resale value of your engine.
• Must be purchased before your engine’s Mercury Limited Warranty expires. Once purchased, Mercury Product Protection coverage takes effect the day the Mercury Limited Warranty expires.

$10,000 to extend your "warranty" seems about as legit as the extended car warranty offers I get every week?

[Chaz]

$10,000 to extend your "warranty" seems about as legit as the extended car warranty offers I get every week?

Lots of loop holes to cancel that wty.

[JPEROG]

I have both & I like my Alli better than my Doo. The Doo is great, I've owned it longer, it's fast as ****, hole shot is unbelievable but will never replace the Alli. Just sayin. RR

Young guys can insure them and finance them. Thats why the little boats that we have all enjoyed so much are gone. Its a cash only deal now and young guys can't do it-I couldn't do it when I was young either.

Joe

[JPEROG]

$10,000 to extend your "warranty" seems about as legit as the extended car warranty offers I get every week?

I have them, it doesn't take long to get your money back with the price of parts in todays world. Mine has covered a shift actuator, flywheel, and wire harness so far. Four more years to go on the extended platinum and if I was to sell the boat, its a nice benefit to comfort for the new owner. I have never had a propshaft or gear case failure but just one covers my warranty cost so I figured it was a fair gamble.

David,

Here is the way you have to look at this deal; if I come to you and say David, I am going to give you 10K cash to put in a drawer and go to whenever I need to repair my 450 of anything that happens to it for the next 5 years no matter how hard I run it and how many hours I use it-I also get to take to any Mercury racing dealer no matter what they charge. Anything beyond that you have to cover out of your personal drawer for the next 5 years. Are you going to say yes? If you said no then its obliviously a good deal...

Joe

[XstreamVking]

Ex. warr? 10 g's? Just paying for repairs in advance. Replace them things at 3 yrs and spend the ex. warranty money on depreciation from the old ones sale loss, and pay for the additional inflation on the new one. You might be ahead. And besides, you would have the newest and bestest.

[JPEROG]

Ex. warr? 10 g's? Just paying for repairs in advance. Replace them things at 3 yrs and spend the ex. warranty money on depreciation from the old ones sale loss, and pay for the additional inflation on the new one. You might be ahead. And besides, you would have the newest and bestest.

Put 200 hours a year on and you are going to spend way more then 10K to replace them. These warranties are unlimited hours, I can depreciate them out over 8 years with the warranty period and its much easier to stomach the new replacement. My 450s seem to keep up with traffic just fine so I don't need to upgrade to 500s on this boat.

Joe