Another Good Christian

[powerabout]

Because the US spends approximately as much on government-paid healthcare (Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare for veterans) as the UK does (or Sweden for that sake). On top of that, it spends as much again on private healthcare.

US healthcare is a Mercedes S-class.
UK healthcare is a Toyota Corolla.

Most of the time, both will get you to the same place, but the cost and experience are different.

Once you are used to the S-class, you don't want to trade down to a Corolla.

Everywhere I look the USA spends more then anybody per head and % of GDP
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...lth-u-s-spends

[powerabout]

John,

I agree with this 100% in theory but the reality is that if we stand back and watch things escalate, it will have a "forest fire affect" and one of the parties involved the conflict will come out with a larger authority then what they went it with. We don't need to have any more "large powered" teams then we already have on the field. The second aspect to our current strategy is saving innocent lives from being caught up in conflict. The third is that our consistant presence at all of the post and bases is a major deterrent and avoids a lot of conflict from taking place at all.

Its a shame that for eight years our military spending was cut, run down and neglected. This current administration has had to make up a ton of ground to bring it back. This is not fiction but a well know fact. I have several relatives that are active military.

Joe

The USA is the punching bag for lots of the rest of the world just because it has been the most successful last century.
They other systems, China and Russia and those idiots living in tents in the dessert have to have an excuse as why they are living in a tent, all have spent years and lots of dollars trying to show the USA system is no good hence everywhere they can they cause trouble in foreign countries. 2 small countries have a fight and one superpower steps in to fund one where does the underdog get help?

[flabum1017]

John,

I agree with this 100% in theory but the reality is that if we stand back and watch things escalate, it will have a "forest fire affect" and one of the parties involved the conflict will come out with a larger authority then what they went it with. We don't need to have any more "large powered" teams then we already have on the field. The second aspect to our current strategy is saving innocent lives from being caught up in conflict. The third is that our consistant presence at all of the post and bases is a major deterrent and avoids a lot of conflict from taking place at all.

Its a shame that for eight years our military spending was cut, run down and neglected. This current administration has had to make up a ton of ground to bring it back. This is not fiction but a well know fact. I have several relatives that are active military.

Joe

Another point with having bases all around the world is that it keeps our conflicts overseas and away from our territory. Even with WW2, we saw almost no war here in the USA, it all was fought on foriegn soil. I think that pays for itself.

[flabum1017]

US economy grows by 3.2% in the first quarter, topping expectations

And Obimbo the great said we'd never see 3% growth, it woulld be impossible

[Markus]

Everywhere I look the USA spends more then anybody per head and % of GDP
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...lth-u-s-spends

Correct. What I tried to describe above was why the US spends more on healthcare than countries that has state-run, socialist, healthcare, like the UK.

The reason is that the US has state-run, socialist healthcare for lots of people (the old, the poor, and veterans). On top of that, it has private healthcare for the rest.

[powerabout]

Correct. What I tried to describe above was why the US spends more on healthcare than countries that has state-run, socialist, healthcare, like the UK.

The reason is that the US has state-run, socialist healthcare for lots of people (the old, the poor, and veterans). On top of that, it has private healthcare for the rest.

ok, the bit I didnt get is you said part of the bill is private healthcare, so thats funded by the gov?

not only lots but all the people in the UK are covered not to mention anyone that turns up as they cant be bothered to bill them

Cant see how the US covers more people to explain the cost per head?

[Markus]

ok, the bit I didnt get is you said part of the bill is private healthcare, so thats funded by the gov?

No, it is funded by company or individual insurance. But it still shows up in the total healthcare spend number

not only lots but all the people in the UK are covered not to mention anyone that turns up as they cant be bothered to bill them

Had a friend whose Indian mother needed healthcare when in the UK. They certainly charged for that. About the cost of a small luxury car.

Cant see how the US covers more people to explain the cost per head?

Doesn't cover more people. Just spends more for each of the ones it covers. Partially because American people receive more care per head. Partially because American physicians and nurses are better paid.

[powerabout]

No, it is funded by company or individual insurance. But it still shows up in the total healthcare spend number



Had a friend whose Indian mother needed healthcare when in the UK. They certainly charged for that. About the cost of a small luxury car.



Doesn't cover more people. Just spends more for each of the ones it covers. Partially because American people receive more care per head. Partially because American physicians and nurses are better paid.

ok
yes, they are supposed to pay bit nobody cares.
now we need to start the conversation of how much of that gov spend is spent on actual healthcare, that a very low percentage in the USA
Huge sums disappear in liability insurance then in the most expensive drugs in the world

[flabum1017]

Doesn't cover more people. Just spends more for each of the ones it covers. Partially because American people receive more care per head. Partially because American physicians and nurses are better paid.

bingo! Healthcare costs here are not under government control; the government does not dictate how much doctors, surgeons, nurses, medications and hospital rooms cost. Under a government run health care system, the government sets the salaries and prices..... you'd see far fewer millionaire doctors here if the government took over.

[flabum1017]

ok
yes, they are supposed to pay bit nobody cares.
now we need to start the conversation of how much of that gov spend is spent on actual healthcare, that a very low percentage in the USA
Huge sums disappear in liability insurance then in the most expensive drugs in the world

Let's not forget the billions in fraud as well.

[SS Minnow]

Let's not forget the billions in fraud as well.

A lot of loss in administrative fees across the board. Every industry, from health care, education, and especially the insurance industry.
The administrative costs of all these aspects have sky rocketed in recent years and over all service has declined. Why is that? If over all administrative fees have increased, should not the services be better? Is that not what the administration is for? System is effed.

[flabum1017]

Anywhere you have the government paying for something, there will be someone trying to rip the government off.......

[Markus]

ok
yes, they are supposed to pay bit nobody cares.
now we need to start the conversation of how much of that gov spend is spent on actual healthcare, that a very low percentage in the USA
Huge sums disappear in liability insurance then in the most expensive drugs in the world

Most expensive drugs in the world: for sure.

Liability insurance: supposedly not all that much. This guys says less than one third or a percent of healthcare costs:

http://truecostofhealthcare.org/malpractice/

[Markus]

bingo! Healthcare costs here are not under government control; the government does not dictate how much doctors, surgeons, nurses, medications and hospital rooms cost. Under a government run health care system, the government sets the salaries and prices..... you'd see far fewer millionaire doctors here if the government took over.

You bet. But also people waiting in line for months and years to get care.

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand", as Milton Friedman said.

[powerabout]

One of my uncles was a plastic surgeon in TX, he said his insurance was based on turnover
And it was 75% of turnover
I wonder what a gp pays?