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11-17-2006, 10:30 AM #211
OK so the cowl with the Super Six was the C-6.
The C-6 only used the oval carbs which do say MerCarb on them, I have to go look.
The C-6 although it was the same as the T-II block was advertised as the 1400 for marketing and the later 1973 T-II was marketed as the 1500 even though they shared almost nothing.
I do know the C-6 and T-II are the same blocks and are nothing like a production 1400/1500.
The C-6 and 1973 T-II used the BP type mid and the later 1973/74 on T-IIX used the Champ style.
And they all came standard with Mercury steering bars for cable pulley steering.
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11-17-2006, 10:54 AM #2125000 RPM
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I could be wrong but I believe that there were some factory TII X motors that had both power ports and finger ports.and single or two 1mmring trw pistons.
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11-17-2006, 12:40 PM #213Originally Posted by Mark75H
Instead, I waited for the day that all engineers, which included Charles Alexander (either VP Engineering or Company Pres. at the time) were performing their inspection. When finished, Alexander asked me if there was any more to look at and I said yes, and opened the overhead door to the shop to show him the powerhead we were sent to test. I pointed out a number of things that were, in my opinion, not installed properly on that powerhead and said they would never make it through a race in that form. That really upset the boys from Plt.6, but I didn't think I should worry about that.....they had previously made it clear that I was not an engineer and I should leave the engineering up to them. Well, they were right about that, but my job was to make sure that we finished and hopefully won some races and I figured I would try to get some stuff fixed before it ever got the chance to break in a race. Anyway, I seem to recall some of the Tillotson powerheads being sent to non-factory races to see how they would perform before they were were allowed to run at a major event.....probably about a six month period.Last edited by willabee; 11-17-2006 at 12:49 PM.
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11-17-2006, 01:56 PM #214Originally Posted by Raceman
When I post, I do so with the intent of accurate information and, on occasion, hopefully some entertainment. If I am not sure of something, I try to look it up.....If I can't find it, I give you what I recall to the best of my ability.Last edited by willabee; 11-17-2006 at 04:02 PM.
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11-17-2006, 02:18 PM #215Originally Posted by Bruce Washburn
T2x20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
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11-17-2006, 02:19 PM #216Originally Posted by Jeff_G
2. yes - I don't recall what name is on them
3. - not sure what you said except 1400 on C6 & 1500 on TII &TIIX is correct
4. ok - I don't
5. yes
6. C6 used bars from Molinari - Starting with TII, came with alum.plates
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11-17-2006, 05:56 PM #217Originally Posted by Jeff_G
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11-17-2006, 10:54 PM #218Originally Posted by Jeff_G
One other comment......... I've been in a bunch of T2/T2X powerheads now with my bore scope and again, I've NEVER seen one with the powerport in the side like the 1500. I've only seen one that had the finger ports, and was told by the owner that it had single ring pistons, although we didn't pull a side cover to look, but even it didn't have the power port.Membership upgrade options: http://www.screamandfly.com/payments.php
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11-17-2006, 11:03 PM #219
Dang! I forgot about the bolt pattern change .... I knew that, duh.
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11-18-2006, 09:10 AM #220
Don't be so picky , when I said the BP TYPE I was referring to the BASIC shape as opposed to the Champ style. Not all the little differences!
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11-19-2006, 11:18 PM #221Originally Posted by willabeeMembership upgrade options: http://www.screamandfly.com/payments.php
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Marketing
The Marketing Group didn't know the difference between a power ported piston and a non, or the difference between a direct charged block and a cross flow. These were technical terms used in the literature, supplied by engineering. They also didn't know what kind of "parts" were used in race engines. So, when they refered to all of these developments coming from racing they used it in general terms.
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11-20-2006, 09:26 AM #223
RM remember the discussion about a year or so ago about "forged" pistons? The marketing guys said forged when they were actually pressure cast pistons, never forged. I take what I see in ads and all with a grain of salt.
I'll have to look into my blocks to see what is in there, it has been so long.Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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12-07-2006, 03:55 PM #224
Trying to get this right......
Originally Posted by mbd29
At some point, the race team would have run the power-ported block before it was approved for production. Sorry, I just can't put it in it's exact time frame right now.....maybe something else will come up that will turn on one of my old lightbulbs
Here is Billy Seebold and Bob Hering taking 1st and 2nd in "S" class in Memphis in May of 1973......note that Hering is in his new stars & stripes pickle fork Molinari and Seebold hadn't received his new one yet (he is driving Old Blue IV)......Billy Schumacher finished 3rd in his Johnson/Scotti.Last edited by willabee; 12-08-2006 at 08:52 AM.
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12-08-2006, 11:26 AM #225
Memphis, 1973.......
Jerry Simison was new to the Merc Team, I think becoming a member in 1973 and this event may have been his first race. I do remember the black 17' Sprint Molinari was the first boat he was given and he did win the "U" class with it at this event running the TII. Doug Pearl drove one of those Scorpions we talked about earlier with a 1400 to victory in the "SJ" class.....you could always tell it was Pearl on the course because of that ponytail flying at the back of his helmet .
Mr. T, you should remember that black Molinari also. There was a race in Merrill, Wi. and you and I could not get your Molinari to run well back in Oshkosh. Everyone else had departed for the race except us and we were running out of time. We finally found a problem with hook in one of your sponsons and I decided that we would put your engine on the new black boat in the rig shop.....it was fully riggged but had never been in the water at that point. We made a quick run with it and agreed it was ready to go and we took off for Merrill.
Man, you would have thought we committed some kind of horrible crime the way we were treated when we arrived. All we did was park a boat that wouldn't run and put in a bunch of big time effort to replace it with one that would, and yet certain folks were pissed off. I still don't know what the big deal was about us using that boat, but they sure weren't happy about it..... even took away our truck keys so that we couldn't play that night (didn't matter, we didn't need em ). Anyway, I figured whatever the problem is, it goes away if you win and that was looking pretty good. It didn't help matters much when you ran out of fuel just before your one hour stop.....that was when I realized that in my haste to get everything else done, I had forgotten to check the size of that tank .....sorry bout' that.Last edited by willabee; 03-15-2007 at 11:20 AM.