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    Quote Originally Posted by T2x View Post
    or a White Castle Hamburger was .12......

    As I recall dealer net on a 1965 Merc 1000 was about $920.00 and that included a gas tank aluminum (Pot metal) prop and controls.
    The first Molinari Don Ross and i bought was $2,500 US, there were currency restrictions in place at that time and i smuggled the cash out in the front cover of a 1000 Merc.[ where the pull cord was stored]. I took out a freshly moulded yellow 16' Copy of a Levi on a snipe trailer-------Sold the boat for washers in Italy and came back with an 18' yellow Molly on a much modified trailer and sailed through customs without any problems.
    First race was Chasewater which we won----caught Tom Percival taking measurements from the boat and gently told him to beetle off or i would stuff his entrails down his throat, i never saw him near my boat again with a tape measure.

    You are about right on the price Rich, i was a Mercury dealer in those days and the 100 hp six was under £1,000.
    We used to say if the price ever did reach a £1,000 ------- they would never sell, 'cos no one could afford them.
    Crap and corruption-----was i ever wrong.!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie wilson View Post
    The first Molinari Don Ross and i bought was $2,500 US, there were currency restrictions in place at that time and i smuggled the cash out in the front cover of a 1000 Merc.[ where the pull cord was stored]. I took out a freshly moulded yellow 16' Copy of a Levi on a snipe trailer-------Sold the boat for washers in Italy and came back with an 18' yellow Molly on a much modified trailer and sailed through customs without any problems.
    First race was Chasewater which we won----caught Tom Percival taking measurements from the boat and gently told him to beetle off or i would stuff his entrails down his throat, i never saw him near my boat again with a tape measure.

    You are about right on the price Rich, i was a Mercury dealer in those days and the 100 hp six was under £1,000.
    We used to say if the price ever did reach a £1,000 ------- they would never sell, 'cos no one could afford them.
    Crap and corruption-----was i ever wrong.!!!!!!!!!!!
    First time we displayed our 30 foot Shadow Cat at the Miami Boat Show in 1980.... I saw a pair of legs sticking out from underneath the trailer. Soon the figure of Don Aronow appeared attached to the legs in question...as he left he muttered to the bejeweled beauty on his arm..."It'll never work"..... a year later, a (much shorter) pair of legs was caught in the same position at the NY Boat Show...by then the world...and Reggie Fountain....knew it would!

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    They walk amongst us,would have us believe they are unique''!!!!!!!!!!! Instead of being treble D, ( Doubtful. DEvious. and Dubious )
    Still believe Sonny was the original and Aranow was the copier.
    Cetti was the original and Angelo the copier.
    Maybe you know something I don!t Rich, but till I hear different that's my view.
    should get Willa. Out from under the sheets

    Bought a new I pad 3 last week and this is my first attempt at using it--------
    Amazing piece of kit------- but a bit beyond my capabilities yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie wilson View Post
    They walk amongst us,would have us believe they are unique''!!!!!!!!!!! Instead of being treble D, ( Doubtful. DEvious. and Dubious )
    Still believe Sonny was the original and Aranow was the copier.
    Cetti was the original and Angelo the copier.
    Maybe you know something I don!t Rich, but till I hear different that's my view.
    should get Willa. Out from under the sheets

    Bought a new I pad 3 last week and this is my first attempt at using it--------
    Amazing piece of kit------- but a bit beyond my capabilities yet.
    Jackie:

    You might enjoy these from a decade ago.........


    http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...m-history.html


    http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...t-history.html
    Last edited by T2x; 08-08-2012 at 07:08 PM.
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    say Rich- out of curosity- what did the 1980 shadowcat cost roughly without power???

    Ted

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowcat View Post
    say Rich- out of curosity- what did the 1980 shadowcat cost roughly without power???

    Ted
    35-45 K depending upon race-pleasure-options...etc.
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    Everyone, without exception, gets their design cues/names/educaton from the many others that have gone before them. Most designers will admit to this. And to those who will deny this, they call coincidence.
    Last edited by FUJIMO; 08-09-2012 at 10:10 AM.

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    how about the first guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerabout View Post
    how about the first guy?

    Who? Ray Hunt....? Nahh... He doesn't count. He never took the time to "inform us" about his designs through massive PR campaigns like some others. Sadly, it's perception, not innovation that rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie wilson View Post
    Still believe Sonny was the original and Aranow was the copier.

    should get Willa. Out from under the sheets

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    Aronow was very good. So good, he hired great people: Abbey, Walters, Wynne, Chapman, Schoell, Seebold-----

    (So sorry, Bill W.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GENE LANHAM View Post
    Aronow was very good. So good, he hired great people: Abbey, Walters, Wynne, Chapman, Schoell, Seebold-----

    (So sorry, Bill W.)
    I know full well it was "ARONOW" Gene, but that was my first time with an ipad----saw the screw up and couldn't find a way to correct it.
    All ok now though----my 6 year old great grandson showed me a few tricks with the damn thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GENE LANHAM View Post
    Aronow was very good. So good, he hired great people: Abbey, Walters, Wynne, Chapman, Schoell, Seebold-----

    (So sorry, Bill W.)
    Gene....point taken, but, in truth, Aronow gets major credit for building the sport of Offshore racing, when in fact it was "Uncle Carl" who played the most important part. If you think back to the early days Bertram , Formula, Glastron, Vega, Sea Craft, Eltro etc, they all played a part from the boat building side, but it was Kiekhaefer who built the fleets, powered the majority of hulls and developed the powerplants and drives that pulled the sport up by its boot straps. Aronow was smart, competitive, and a shrewd judge of talent, no doubt, but at his core he was a marketing genius, and a wonderful self promoter. Had he not come along when he did, i doubt that the state of the art would have been impacted much, if at all. In the grand scheme, it was the vee hull, the engines and SSM's, the bigger outboards, pad bottoms, the cats, and the props that changed the world as we knew it.

    I may be wrong but neither Don nor Reggie (two driven and talented individuals without question) deserve the overwhelming accolades that they have garnered over the years. Perhaps no one does, but if you had to pick one person at the core of performance boating...that guy has to be Carl Kiekhaefer IMHO.
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    I couldnt agree more T2x

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    When it started, there was no Aronow, or Kiekhaefer. Just a bunch of guys with big egos, like Sam Griffith and Bertram, and Abbey and a few others. But if it wasn't for Red Crise there probably would never have been Offshore Racing, at least as we know it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilabner View Post
    When it started, there was no Aronow, or Kiekhaefer. Just a bunch of guys with big egos, like Sam Griffith and Bertram, and Abbey and a few others. But if it wasn't for Red Crise there probably would never have been Offshore Racing, at least as we know it today.
    Red Crise..fathered Offshore racing...in the southeast and Caribbean...he had nothing to do with the northeast, West coast, European races and the Pacific rim. Sam Griffith, Bertram, Abbey etc all deserve some credit, but boat racing had marathons before those guys came along and simply moved the concept Offshore. Again without Kiekhaefer's budget, engineering, and vision the powerplants that built grass roots boat racing (of all kinds), would have been severely restricted and the price point considerably higher for young, developing boat racers.
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    (Single engine boats are lacking something)
    15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
    16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
    (The exception proves the rule)
    Obsolete and Proud of it

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