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11-16-2006, 03:38 PM #196
Wait, now I'm getting confused.
Are you telling me the T-II was a one year motor? 1973
The C-6 wasn't a T-II and was a 1400 block? How does either one get to be a 1400 or 1500 blocks they were totally different from the production 1400 or 1500. I thought all of the T-II motors were the same basic block.
I was also under the impression the oval carbs were Mercarbs and only used one year unsuccessfully, that's why the change to the Tillotsons.
I was under the impression the C-6 was the correct name for the motor and the advertised public name was the Twister II or T-II
Which motor isthis; Isn't this the T-I with the Super Six on the back and the T-II type cowl?
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11-16-2006, 03:45 PM #197Originally Posted by willabee
you bonehead.....
T2x20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
(The exception proves the rule)
Obsolete and Proud of it
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11-16-2006, 03:49 PM #198Originally Posted by Jeff_G
By the way...ya gotta love the Ride Guide steering.
T2x20 Foot Switzer Wing 2 X S3000 (Dust'n the Wind II)
!6 foot Wood Eltro Vee (2X Merc 1500's) (Dust'n the Wind IV)
15 foot Powercat 15C (2 X Merc 1500) (Dust'n the Wind III)
(Single engine boats are lacking something)
15’ Wooden Switzer Shooting Star...
16 foot Lee Craft Merc S 3000-(Gold Dust II)
(The exception proves the rule)
Obsolete and Proud of it
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11-16-2006, 03:56 PM #199
Mr. Lanphear emailed me a few years ago regarding this time period. He told me that development of the C-6 was actually split into 2 separate groups, one headed by himself and the other by Dr. Morgan. Lanphear's group was using Tillotson carbs and Morgan's group the square carbs and extra exhaust tuning. Things slowed up and Merc tightened it's budget and cut back on staff, Morgan stayed, Lanphear left and the C-6 stuff that was already working from each group was combined to make the T-2 ... Tillotson carbs & the extended exhaust tuning.
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11-16-2006, 04:11 PM #200Originally Posted by Jeff_G
"C-6" unfortunately is used by many folks for all of the 6 carbed inlines, whether they be un-named prototypes, Super Sixes, T-2's or T-IIX's. Mercury never officially called any motor a C-6. I'd say that it is unfortunate that so many people call all of them C-6's, because it is quite confusing. When I write "C-6" I am always refering to motors made before 1973 ... pre T-2.
Yes, the T-2 was a one year motor (or year and a half, whatever)
As per my post quoting Mr. Lanphear ... pre T-2 C-6's were tested and probably raced in both configuations for a year or two ... unless Willabee is certain no Tillotson carbed C-6's were out for racing at the same time as the Morgan's. The impression I got from Lanphear was that they were.Last edited by Mark75H; 11-16-2006 at 04:23 PM.
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11-16-2006, 04:36 PM #201Originally Posted by Jeff_G
Last edited by willabee; 11-17-2006 at 11:26 AM.
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11-16-2006, 04:57 PM #202Originally Posted by T2xBear 45/70
Some people are like Slinkies ... Not really good for anything....but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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11-16-2006, 05:20 PM #203
I did buy that motor several years later. I ran it in Mod 100. It had a 10 bolt base with TC 3B Tillotsons. All the internals were T2. Not sure if Mercury ever said this motor existed but I sure owned it. Like I said in an earlier post, the powerhead has been gone for 20 years but still have the mid with a different powerhead.
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11-16-2006, 05:29 PM #204Originally Posted by largecar91
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11-16-2006, 05:38 PM #205Originally Posted by willabeeMembership upgrade options: http://www.screamandfly.com/payments.php
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11-16-2006, 05:47 PM #206
Anything is possible. The porting was pretty extreme. It sure looked factory. Someone would have had to do a lot of work. I know it was a very strong engine. I bought it from a racer that owned a marina in Bothel,Wa if this rings a bell to anyone. It has been too long for me to remember his name. At the time he told me it was a Mercury factory motor.
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11-16-2006, 05:51 PM #207Originally Posted by largecar91Bear 45/70
Some people are like Slinkies ... Not really good for anything....but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
The Bill of Rights gives me the power to NOT have to apologize for someone else's "gun phobia."
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11-16-2006, 05:53 PM #208Originally Posted by RacemanBear 45/70
Some people are like Slinkies ... Not really good for anything....but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
The Bill of Rights gives me the power to NOT have to apologize for someone else's "gun phobia."
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11-16-2006, 06:18 PM #209Originally Posted by SportJ-US-1Membership upgrade options: http://www.screamandfly.com/payments.php
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11-17-2006, 07:26 AM #2105000 RPM
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1400/1500 blocks
Well here is my two cents. About the only things that were common between the TII,TIIX and 1400/1500 was the block foot print, rod and pin bearings. Now you real detailed guys may find other details but thats about it. I struggle to remember some of this stuff and I looked at it everyday. The production engines were referenced in context with the race engines because they were our flagship engines at the time so Marketing used it to their advantage.
There was so much going on at that time I'm supprised that Bill can remember the details he does, especially decals used. I sure can't and I came later. Believe me I sucked up every detail on all the Merc race engines at that time and thought that I new quite a bit until I see what everyone is coming up with on this site. And I'm sorry to say some of it is way out in left field. But that is the way legends continue.
Sam: I'm sure that Bill can give some details of the competition between Plant 6 and Plant 12 (Morgan/Lanphear). I believe it was quite intense in the 60's and early 70's. Dick did not leave Mercury but stayed on as, I believe, the Director of Large Outboards when Morgan became VP of Engineering. I too saw him a few years ago and he still looked the same. He came strolling into plant 6 when I was there doing a video shoot. Couldn't believe he remembered who I was.