Tariffs

[mercrazy]

Wonder what the quota is? Sounds like a tricky way to say they don’t have tariffs.

[CUDA]

You guys are WRONG about the dairy tariffs, like...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-chec...120052228.html


President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the US. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.

Those high tariffs kick in only after the US has hit a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the US is not hitting its allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product.

In many categories, notably including milk, the US is not even at half of the zero-tariff maximum.


“In practice, these tariffs are not actually paid by anyone,” Al Mussell, an expert on Canadian agricultural trade, said in an email Friday.

Trump also made a claim that is simply false. He told reporters Friday that the situation with Canadian dairy tariffs was “well taken care of” at the time his first presidency ended, “but under Biden, they just kept raising it.”

In reality, Canada did not raise its dairy tariffs under then-President Joe Biden, as official Canadian documents show and industry groups on both sides of the border confirmed to CNN. The tariffs Trump was denouncing Friday were left in place by the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA, which Trump negotiated, signed in 2018 and has since touted as “the best trade deal ever made.”

The White House did not respond to CNN’s Friday request for comment.


Trump vowed Friday to retaliate against Canada with new US dairy tariffs in the coming days, but Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said Sunday on NBC that the president’s response to Canada on dairy will actually come on April 2, the day Trump has said he will impose reciprocal tariffs on countries around the world.

[David]

The US boarder security’s numbers are at 40 lbs, the flow is actually from you to us.

The 40 lb number is a miss representation and over states how much has been seized coming from the Great White North. 40 lb is what was seized near the border, not what came across the border. A good chunk of the 40 has been documented to have come from Mexico.

Mr Trump needed an emergency to legally apply tariffs. He made one up for the northern border. Last time he claimed national security as the emergency. As if we were going to throw donuts across the border at you guys.

[David]

Is there a modern western country that does not subsidize or protect their farmers? The US has massive farm subsidies. Canada has supply management. Our dairy farmers can only sell their quota to the market. Imports are similarly restricted.

[XstreamVking]

Keep screwing around with the US and you guys might get a new fence.....

[LakeFever]

This is going off track here. The strange thing is the aluminum and steel Canada sells is quality product, being sold at low prices. There’s no subsidy to it or anything like that it’s just sold cheaper because Canadians make less than Americans and their dollar is weak. These tariffs are imposed and paid by Americans and have nothing to do with Canada. The only sin Canada has committed here is selling quality products, at lower prices. That’s it. So for those of you thumping your feet for these tariffs? You want to pay more for things? This tariff is a huge tax, to be paid by Americans.

Further to the point it’s a big government move and I did not expect it from Trump. Caught me completely off guard it’s just not good business. Granted if the tariffs sustain this will crater the trade almost completely with Canada you can be assured of that Canada will be decimated by this. Now think about something else. Canada by and large sells resources and that’s about it. It’s the second largest country in the world and its population is less than California. Canada has basically built industries around supplying America with these resources and while Canada can pivot they cannot do this overnight and slamming them with tarrifs that will erase ten plus percent of their economy overnight might make some of your happy but then consider this. Canada buys mostly American products. So much of our supply chains go back and forth accross the border in so many industries this whole Tariff approach on Canada is going to hurt everyone and cost a lot more.

Then think about Canadas retaliation to these Tariffs. Is this really the path forwards? Screwing over neighbors who serve our interests mutually well?

As for the dairy “tariffs” these are not tariffs or any cost to Americans they are in place as some sort of old school war measures act that Canadians pay the premium on exclusively. The only “loss” if you want to call it that is the market share of California where American dairy producers can’t sell their product as cheaply. That’s it there is no cost to the average American.

the key element here though is while Canada may well be small on population the resource supply extremely outreaches their size and right now? America has the best access, the best prices, and a solid proven reliably supplier of these for over a hundred years. Blaming Canada for Americas problems might sound convenient but it’s just another Boogey man to point a finger at. To think Canada could actually cause lasting harm to Americas economy is laughable but these Tariffs sure will cause inflation in America big time. Doesn’t seem wise to me at all but I’m not a big government man and this is the biggest of big government moves. I want open and free markets and I want to buy what I want from who I want. I don’t want my government forcing me to but what they want me to buy. That’s just insane and will certainly lead to the worst kind of corruption. Think of the lobbyists and kick backs in that world. Yikes. The average citizen will be screwed worse than ever


so it seems south park had it figured twenty years ago, eh?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR385...ZSBjYW5hZGE%3D


Ben Shapiro seems to get it I saw a vid of his this morning that now seems hard to find. I’ll see if I can dig it up.


finally for what it’s worth I have no idea about where fentanyl comes from but im all for eradicating drug problems. But I’ve never heard until recently that Canada was some
cartel drug producer. Is that true? Got proof?

[XstreamVking]

Tariffs are tools. Never meant to be in place permanently. The "sky is falling" mentality of some about them and not seeing the long term view of their purpose if fairly comical. Canada is a good trading partner. We just want more cooperation from them. We can ask them nicely all day long and they won't do anything. Force is sometimes needed to initiate action.

[David - WI]

This is going off track here. The strange thing is the aluminum and steel Canada sells is quality product, being sold at low prices. There’s no subsidy to it or anything like that it’s just sold cheaper because Canadians make less than Americans and their dollar is weak.

That is NOT why... Canada has plenty of cheap natural gas and hydroelectric power; which makes refining cheaper. If President Trump gets US energy back on the right track Canada will not have any advantage over the US... at that point tariffs won't matter because we'll all be buying US produced aluminum and steel.

[JPEROG]

"tariffs won't matter because we'll all be buying US produced aluminum and steel".

BINGO!!

Give Trumps plan 18 months and lets see where things are at. He is looking well beyond next year with these changes. If he can continue this, and take our national debt out of the picture, he will go down as the G.O.A.T.

Joe

[David]

18 months is not nearly enough time to build aluminum refining capacity, new auto assembly plants, new par5s plants etc. Mr Trump better be planning on a third term

[RBT]

This is going off track here. The strange thing is the aluminum and steel Canada sells is quality product, being sold at low prices. There’s no subsidy to it or anything like that it’s just sold cheaper because Canadians make less than Americans and their dollar is weak. These tariffs are imposed and paid by Americans and have nothing to do with Canada. The only sin Canada has committed here is selling quality products, at lower prices. That’s it. So for those of you thumping your feet for these tariffs? You want to pay more for things? This tariff is a huge tax, to be paid by Americans.

Further to the point it’s a big government move and I did not expect it from Trump. Caught me completely off guard it’s just not good business. Granted if the tariffs sustain this will crater the trade almost completely with Canada you can be assured of that Canada will be decimated by this. Now think about something else. Canada by and large sells resources and that’s about it. It’s the second largest country in the world and its population is less than California. Canada has basically built industries around supplying America with these resources and while Canada can pivot they cannot do this overnight and slamming them with tarrifs that will erase ten plus percent of their economy overnight might make some of your happy but then consider this. Canada buys mostly American products. So much of our supply chains go back and forth accross the border in so many industries this whole Tariff approach on Canada is going to hurt everyone and cost a lot more.

Then think about Canadas retaliation to these Tariffs. Is this really the path forwards? Screwing over neighbors who serve our interests mutually well?

As for the dairy “tariffs” these are not tariffs or any cost to Americans they are in place as some sort of old school war measures act that Canadians pay the premium on exclusively. The only “loss” if you want to call it that is the market share of California where American dairy producers can’t sell their product as cheaply. That’s it there is no cost to the average American.

the key element here though is while Canada may well be small on population the resource supply extremely outreaches their size and right now? America has the best access, the best prices, and a solid proven reliably supplier of these for over a hundred years. Blaming Canada for Americas problems might sound convenient but it’s just another Boogey man to point a finger at. To think Canada could actually cause lasting harm to Americas economy is laughable but these Tariffs sure will cause inflation in America big time. Doesn’t seem wise to me at all but I’m not a big government man and this is the biggest of big government moves. I want open and free markets and I want to buy what I want from who I want. I don’t want my government forcing me to but what they want me to buy. That’s just insane and will certainly lead to the worst kind of corruption. Think of the lobbyists and kick backs in that world. Yikes. The average citizen will be screwed worse than ever


so it seems south park had it figured twenty years ago, eh?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR385...ZSBjYW5hZGE%3D


Ben Shapiro seems to get it I saw a vid of his this morning that now seems hard to find. I’ll see if I can dig it up.


finally for what it’s worth I have no idea about where fentanyl comes from but im all for eradicating drug problems. But I’ve never heard until recently that Canada was some
cartel drug producer. Is that true? Got proof?

I would agree with a lot of that post until you get to the part where you would decimate our economy. We hold the biggest Trump card that nobody is talking about, fertilizer. We supply over 80% of it to you. Your land does not have it, and nowhere in the world has the ability to supply you. The other great resource is Russia and they don’t have the bandwidth to offset even a small portion of your requirements. Never mind the fallout …. Speaking of fallout you don’t have Uranium either…
Anyhow, American needs us more than we need you. Our resources have world wide appeal, we are already migrating away from our once loyal friend.
Sad times, America CANNOT survive alone

[LakeFever]

Strange perspectives imo. The solution is to buy everything not to liberate proven supply chains and drive them into desperation forcing them to sell to china or whoever else wants the product. Canada has more resources than just about anyone and it’s largely untapped. Throw that relationship to the wind and you want to talk about a future of American power? Think about it. What would be the best solution to world power and peace? Buy it all. All of it. Or at the very least have the options open to buying it. Cutting off markers to allow other nations to build new supply chains is completely bonkers its short sighted, bad business, and appears to simply empower other nations. You can sheer a sheep many times but you can only fleece it once.

The debt? That solution is political and one that I thought was going to be made
into what it needs to be. A solution of political structure. The only way the debt goes away is to solve the problem that allowed it to blossom which is political will. It must be made law to tie the hands of politicians to operate under fixed budgets based on last quarters intake. Inside this structure a debt retirement plan must also be bound into law. Any politician who tries to use debt is immediately terminated. Once this is settled its basic arithmetic to solve the debt.

The best way to to do this is in large scale
economic growth. Canada is I believe the largest trading partner is it not? How is crippling that reliable relationship going to benefit America? The annex thing I get but if that’s the end goal a purchase of Canada? Tariffs and angering Canada is no way to go about it. That will never work. Look at history with Alaska and the Louisiana purchase for instance. It’s not that complicated. You soften and woo a sale. You don’t go and break the lower unit off a guys boat right in front of his face then try and buy it. What the heck. Imagine starting a trade war with France before the Louisiana purchase. How well do you think that would have gone?

[RBT]

Strange perspectives imo. The solution is to buy everything not to liberate proven supply chains and drive them into desperation forcing them to sell to china or whoever else wants the product. Canada has more resources than just about anyone and it’s largely untapped. Throw that relationship to the wind and you want to talk about a future of American power? Think about it. What would be the best solution to world power and peace? Buy it all. All of it. Or at the very least have the options open to buying it. Cutting off markers to allow other nations to build new supply chains is completely bonkers its short sighted, bad business, and appears to simply empower other nations. You can sheer a sheep many times but you can only fleece it once.

The debt? That solution is political and one that I thought was going to be made
into what it needs to be. A solution of political structure. The only way the debt goes away is to solve the problem that allowed it to blossom which is political will. It must be made law to tie the hands of politicians to operate under fixed budgets based on last quarters intake. Inside this structure a debt retirement plan must also be bound into law. Any politician who tries to use debt is immediately terminated. Once this is settled its basic arithmetic to solve the debt.

The best way to to do this is in large scale
economic growth. Canada is I believe the largest trading partner is it not? How is crippling that reliable relationship going to benefit America? The annex thing I get but if that’s the end goal a purchase of Canada? Tariffs and angering Canada is no way to go about it. That will never work. Look at history with Alaska and the Louisiana purchase for instance. It’s not that complicated. You soften and woo a sale. You don’t go and break the lower unit off a guys boat right in front of his face then try and buy it. What the heck. Imagine starting a trade war with France before the Louisiana purchase. How well do you think that would have gone?

I like that post!
here is the thing, I have a lot of family in the USA and a lot of friends and family real estate. I have an in interest in your success.
And I was unapologetically a trump supporter. BUT he has crossed two lines that will NEVER be forgiven. One, he picked a fight with America’s only true friend.
Two and this is CRITICAL … he is threatening our very sovereignty. This is inexcusable and any American would loose there absolute sh!t if some nation suggested that they were going to be annexed.
So with all due respect F Trump

[LakeFever]

I would agree with a lot of that post until you get to the part where you would decimate our economy. We hold the biggest Trump card that nobody is talking about, fertilizer. We supply over 80% of it to you. Your land does not have it, and nowhere in the world has the ability to supply you. The other great resource is Russia and they don’t have the bandwidth to offset even a small portion of your requirements. Never mind the fallout …. Speaking of fallout you don’t have Uranium either…
Anyhow, American needs us more than we need you. Our resources have world wide appeal, we are already migrating away from our once loyal friend.
Sad times, America CANNOT survive alone

if all trade between America and Canada ceased tomorrow? Canada would be devastated beyond repair while America would not. Devastation for both yes absolutely agreed but in terms of sheer gdp? It’s not even close. A blip in percentage. But that’s just a hypothetical it’s not a smart
idea in any way shape or form I’m against Tariffs it’s a stupid idea imo as I said. I want free market choices and if I want to buy any legal product from any country legally that’s what I want. I don’t want government in the middle it never goes well when the government dictates who can or can’t buy things. What’s the difference between a capitalist and a commie? Governments choose what you can or can’t buy if you’re a commie. That’s why I can’t believe this tariff crap is happening to Canada? Tell Canada what you want in clear and straight forward terms and let’s all get on with it. Good neighbors
are crucial to a good life. I don’t want to live in house built into mini armed compounds like South Africa has. Who does??? Freedom. Liberty. Free and open markets with all law abiding western nations. Cut the commies out of it let them fail. let’s go!!!

[XstreamVking]

I think the USA will be OK. Canada will be OK. Climb down from the ledge. Have a Molson....