It's Coming, little by little

[pcrussell50]

That's kinda why I gave the application of tugs and trains. Both have been in use for some time. Natgas as well could be used for the Genset fuel. It's a matter of imagination, and calculating the up front cost vs operational.

Trains are a good app for this because they can use regenerative braking. Tugs not so much. But still maybe profitable although the payback period on a more expensive electric tug would be longer. That’s one for the bean counters.

By the way, for big heavy lift, slow movers like diesel electric locomotives, you probably don’t even need the high cost and fire risk of lithium ion batteries. I think the backbone of diesel electric locomotives is good old fashioned lead acid.

interesting barroom trivia: something I hadn’t considered about lead acid use in locomotives… Lead is actually much easier, efficient (less labour and energy intensive), to recycle than the complex compounds in lithium ion. And recycling costs are apparently a factor in the rail freight hauling business.

-Peter

[CUDA]

It's 5 hours away, and going back next week, I might be buying my dream home, 1 Ac high and dry in East Palatka FL, it has deep water dock.

T learned to check the FEMA flood maps, a big difference from house to house in certain hoods, it's on the water and so high you don't need flood-ins.

It's a 55 Bluewater Coastal Cruiser, I love its hull design, and the big gullwing design with prop pockets so it has a VERY shallow draft, less than 30 inches, It's basically a houseboat that can eat 6 ft ers, not a true deep water boat, I plan on doing the Great Loop in sections when I learned It had brand new Yanmars, transmissions, and new 600 gal tank, I had to have it, I was planning on spending big bucks for a newer Cummins diesel version, but the cheapest one I could find was $240,000. I paid 45,000 for a project boat, that someone already started working on with lots of parts already acquired, a new stove, a new standard-size refrigerator, dishwasher, two tankless water heaters, and instant heat, new SS rudders (he owned an SS company that's why Stainless steel) and props, The guy is moving to...Thailand is building a new house their.

I plan on extending to the rear hull/swim deck heavy-duty to mount a nice davit for tender, below is the 55 1989 model not the boat I bought, I'm removing those upper deck fiberglass panels, dead weight, and gives windage problems, replace with netting

https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1989...UaAuT2EALw_wcB

[John S]

The next best thing to buying a finished project, is one that someone started. you pay a fraction of what they put in to their part of it. As long as they didn't butcher it.

[JPEROG]

How is you live on a boat plan coming? Is cruiser boat insurance reasonable? Do you move the boat before a hurricane or leave it in place and hope?

David,

He was buying property in Astor on the River, then in the woods near Astor, (remember his prediction of how property values were going to plumet?), this guy is so far out there and he puts it all in verifiable documentation right in front of us. Its no wonder he is a Biden and Newsome lover, they operate on the same levels--they are spewing B.S. every time their lips move. You need to own a boat before you claim that you are going to live on a boat. Drugs are a horrible problem and you can only help those who want help for themselves.

If electric was better you would see it in the open market. People do crazy stuff for dollars & profit. Owners/operators only spend more then necessary on business when it is mandated by the government. Several trucking companies have switched their fleets over to natural gas with excellent results but its not feasible for everyone unless you have the infrastructure of filling stations to make the conversion. Check out the UPS terminal in Jacksonville FL and do some research on their ROI after converting. Now our fearless leaders don't even want us to have access to NG stoves and dryers (until Trump Tuesday gets here).

Joe

[pcrussell50]

If electric was better you would see it in the open market. People do crazy stuff for dollars & profit. Owners/operators only spend more then necessary on business when it is mandated by the government.

Joe

^^^This^^^ 100%

This past summer time frame, Cudes pasted up a little ditty about the high adoption rate of battery operated cars in Norway. As if somehow Norwegian people have some kind of special, open minded enlightenment. Cudes article did not say a thing about all the things the government of Norway has put in place to make petrol powered cars too expensive to buy, own, and operate.

-Peter

[CUDA]

Astor is just a trashy flood zone, Todd said to check the FEMA flood maps before you do anything, the lot I loved was all AE, then I rented a pontoon and went around, I was sick when I got back, everything is jammed together, a LOT of junk no dream home, shallow water everywhere but the channel, no thanks, not living in a flood zone is important to me, I just retired last week, I'm sorry my life does not fit your schedule But I just turned 70, it's time, the name that's on the boat is Great Escape,

Joe, Newsome ? is he moving to Fl, what are you talking about?


And Dingle berry ... Peter once again you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, all Norway did was cut the sale tax on EV's let them drive in the Bus lanes, you just make CIT UP.

Norway’s impressive uptake of EVs has only been possible thanks to supportive government policy. But policy is always vulnerable to politics. With EV sales surging, many of the key policy mechanisms were withdrawn. EVs were once exempt from sales tax, but it was argued that this was beneficial to only a narrow strata of car buyers and had become bad value for money for taxpayers. Likewise, EV drivers once enjoyed the use of bus lanes in Oslo, but this privilege was removed. It is now not entirely clear if Norway will reach its goal of zero combustion engine car sales by 2025, although it will be pretty close.

[David]

I don't think diesel locomotives have batteries. Maybe they could benefit from regenerative braking by adding batteries. It's hard to see how a ship could benefit from a hybrid system - no opportunity for regeneration.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/tr...locomotive.htm
https://studyelectrical.com/2014/05/...ives-work.html



If Mr Cuda does the Big Loop, he could detour through the Trent Severn system and visit me. Although my dock would not handle a 55' boat, he could tie at the town docks, and buy supplies at the nearby grocery store. I'd even drive down to Toronto to visit there.

[David - WI]

Pretty sure the locomotives use huge resistor banks to dissipate the "regen" power rather than trying to store it in batteries.

[David]

https://www.engineerlive.com/content...ergy-efficient

they do use resistors to turn kinematic energy into wasted heat

"Dynamic braking refers to the use of an electric motor as a generator to dissipate energy and is more precisely described by two terms - regenerative and rheostatic braking. The difference between the two types of dynamic braking is what is done with the electricity after it has been produced. In regenerative braking, the electricity is either immediately reused by other locomotives, or it is stored for later use. This electricity can be transmitted through overhead wires or, in the case of electric locomotives, an electrified third rail. Alternatively, it can be stored onboard through the use of a flywheel, battery or other energy storage system.

Rheostatic braking occurs when the electrical energy produced is run through resistors and dissipated as heat energy. A rheostat is a device that regulates the current flowing through it by changing the resistance. For the case of rheostatic braking, this resistance provides a force against which work may be done. Although regenerative braking leads to a more efficient system because of the reuse of energy, the infrastructure that it requires is not always available. Diesel-electric locomotives run primarily on track that has not been electrified. For this reason, rheostatic dynamic braking is favoured."

[Turtleherder]

I have a friend that owned the same length and general age as your project. It was laid out very well. I liked the use of space. It seemed bigger than it was. He lived in a house right on the Mississippi and it was the pocketed props that sold him on the boat. He would bring it in to the beach and put the bow right up on the sand. Had one of the foldable stair like boarding ladders mounted on the bow. Dry feet off and on.

[CUDA]

If you know anyone that has that ladder I want it, the original owner was crippled in a wheelchair so they removed it when new.

The boat has a drop keel area that's why you can beach it, the newer models advertised the front lower half was covered in Kevlar, not sure about this one, every year this company made changes to the top cabin design, 98% came with gas motors, this is a Unicorn because of the repowered Yanmars, these are better than the 5.9 Cummins from what I hear, global parts and dealer network. the same local dealer for Volvo Penta sells Yanmar said Yanmar parts are 1/2 the cost, he said no matter where I am he will drop ship parts from the factory to my location.

When I was looking at these big boats, the draft was one of my big concerns. My sister had a 50-foot Hatteras out for a 4th of July fireworks boat packed with friends that ran aground in Tampa Bay in the '80s. I plan to buy good electronics, shopping at the Miami boat show next month.I have a lot to learn about seamanship, always been a river runner with fast small boats, hungry for a new adventure.

[donmac]

I don't think it matters what power this guy has living on penetanguishene bay, he's not going anywhere!

[David]

It's super cold this week. I'm hoping that the ice in front of our bay freezes better. We still had soft spots on Sunday. My dog was smarter than me and refused to go out on the ice. I went through, but only in 3" of water. I'm not crazy enough to try the ice in deeper water, although a lot of snow mobiles and ice huts are out there. The sunset with the snow blowing off the lake surface is today. The footprints are from Sunday. LOL, my boats are staying in the garage.

[David - WI]

-30*F wind chill here... makin' ice now!

[donmac]

shorelines aren't good right now with the warmer than usual weather we had previous! I noticed the lake was up about 16" in the last month,looked like ice was hanging in mid air at shore line!. With the amount of snow we had it's slush on top of the the ice! this weeks going to cure that! how are the levels on cooch? hoping they slow down the flow so i can ride across the chanel flow area middle of sparrow over to silver pines and my sons place!
we havn't had a -30c yet. -23c couple nights, warmer last night -18c
we've had about 7' of snow so far this winter!