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[David - WI]

"Carbon credits" are the same as printing money, they are not based on anything tangible... Tesla was selling hundreds of $ millions to other manufacturers every quarter.

Most interesting is its $679 million carbon credit sales. It’s more than double the prior quarter’s sales of $314 million and is even much higher than its Q1 2021 sales ($518 million). Its Q2 2021 and Q3 2021 credit sales are $354 million and $279 million, respectively.

https://carboncredits.com/tesla-regu...20respectively.

[FUJIMO]

...oh, the humanity!...

[David - WI]

Just another subsidy for doing something that doesn't make economic sense but furthers a government objective.

Over a $ billion per year in tax dollars to make Tesla appear viable.

[CUDA]

Subsidy the dirty word, but whom gets them ?

Too many

Subsidy Tracker Top 100 Parent Companies

(Covers federal, state and local awards combined.)

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,374,228,475	1,522
2	General Motors	$8,236,574,470	766
3	Intel	$6,004,762,638	146
4	Alcoa	$5,805,613,652	173
5	Ford Motor	$5,665,318,864	601
6	X-Energy LLC	$5,297,302,367	13
7	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,825,691,168	73
8	NRG Energy	$3,921,376,589	279
9	Cheniere Energy	$3,864,202,239	24
10	General Atomics	$3,537,371,171	407
11	Amazon.com	$3,522,918,174	286
12	Sempra Energy	$3,363,986,694	44
13	Southern Company	$3,207,505,461	119
14	NextEra Energy	$2,858,193,244	62
15	Stellantis	$2,601,662,312	204
16	General Electric	$2,576,928,716	1,972
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,506,116,253	115
18	Summit Power	$2,332,190,078	9
19	Iberdrola	$2,287,706,336	111
20	Lockheed Martin	$2,115,204,934	1,009
21	Raytheon Technologies	$2,109,557,532	1,578
22	Nike	$2,104,917,829	138
23	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,035,954,929	55
24	Walt Disney	$2,021,189,822	208
25	Brookfield Asset Management	$2,008,815,624	261
26	SCS Energy	$1,927,236,683	10
27	Archer Daniels Midland	$1,889,111,134	1,094
28	Venture Global LNG	$1,869,575,000	2
29	Sasol	$1,851,232,180	68
30	Cerner	$1,826,761,779	36
31	Nissan	$1,826,106,415	86
32	Royal Dutch Shell	$1,822,610,637	131
33	IBM Corp.	$1,790,639,936	517
34	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,788,423,542	925
35	Apple Inc.	$1,749,771,920	32
36	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,688,246,187	129
37	JPMorgan Chase	$1,593,093,650	1,101
38	PG&E Corp.	$1,568,027,901	27
39	Samsung	$1,546,467,340	61
40	Battelle	$1,504,147,932	39
41	Energy Transfer	$1,417,661,764	77
42	Northrop Grumman	$1,393,496,966	488
43	Volkswagen	$1,380,425,142	206
44	ViacomCBS	$1,329,740,953	264
45	Corning Inc.	$1,271,107,141	359
46	Duke Energy	$1,246,537,671	63
47	Continental AG	$1,241,208,157	95
48	Comcast	$1,212,698,940	281
49	NuScale Power	$1,156,699,634	30
50	SkyWest	$1,151,116,966	519
51	Jefferies Financial Group	$1,120,662,497	27
52	Abengoa	$1,082,660,583	62
53	Alphabet Inc.	$1,025,017,207	61
54	Exxon Mobil	$1,021,177,998	140
55	Exelon	$1,015,625,393	92
56	Toyota	$1,003,008,541	183
57	Valero Energy	$954,453,341	163
58	Pyramid Companies	$924,509,423	78
59	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
60	Air Products & Chemicals	$885,158,490	247
61	Delta Air Lines	$878,378,816	24
62	Centene	$872,154,432	51
63	Cree Inc.	$856,527,702	153
64	Meta Platforms Inc.	$848,186,648	45
65	Bayer	$844,553,003	205
66	EDF-Electricite de France	$839,414,818	61
67	LG	$825,859,672	99
68	CF Industries	$810,715,945	59
69	Microsoft	$810,265,387	84
70	Nucor	$808,997,440	144
71	SunEdison	$807,246,758	116
72	Goldman Sachs	$798,273,074	254
73	E.ON	$798,057,496	36
74	OGE Energy	$795,643,965	11
75	Texas Instruments	$795,572,241	60
76	Michelin	$769,030,427	89
77	AES Corp.	$751,108,474	79
78	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
79	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
80	AT&T	$712,033,954	679
81	Johnson Controls	$706,474,420	134
82	American Electric Power	$698,001,802	80
83	Bank of America	$695,987,310	906
84	General Dynamics	$673,504,044	355
85	Sagamore Development	$660,000,000	1
86	Caithness Energy	$656,728,390	25
87	FedEx	$649,429,268	558
88	Dominion Energy	$642,882,353	78
89	Apollo Global Management	$621,104,537	242
90	Ameren	$618,093,398	11
91	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
92	Dow Inc.	$616,670,237	594
93	Honeywell International	$605,352,444	731
94	Mayo Clinic	$592,118,103	14
95	Wells Fargo	$581,052,070	477
96	Sears	$574,182,077	93
97	Invenergy	$573,139,535	21
98	Hyannis Air Service Inc.	$553,329,635	242
99	Clean Coal Power Operations	$550,000,000	1
99	Sematech	$550,000,000	3

[CUDA]

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Tesla received $0.4 billion of federal loans and bailout support via the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) Loan Program. However, that amount was repaid in full with interest, almost a decade early. The federal loan Tesla received was for $465.5 million and was granted in 2010 — the first recovery year after the 2009 financial crisis. As CleanTechnica reported in May 2013, that was paid back 9 years earlier than it had to be.
While Tesla did receive a lot of aid from taxpayers, Tesla paid us back.

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Tesla’s total subsidy value according to the data is$2,441,582,590 ($2.44 billion), across 109 “awards” — 82 federal grants and tax credits as well as 27 state and local awards.
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The idea of a subsidy isn’t really a bad thing — its the government’s way of investing in a company. That’s how I see it, and honestly, it’s supposed to be a good thing, not a bad thing.
The idea of an entity putting money into a company, whether it’s via stocks (for example, an index fund buying massive shares in a company) or a state or local government giving tax breaks for a certain amount of time in return for a company keeping a promise (for example, moving there and creating jobs). So, keep that in mind when comparing Tesla and the other automakers below.
The Other Guys
007 also detailed which other automakers received funds from American taxpayers and whether or not they paid us back. They are:

• Ford borrowed $5.937 billion under the ATVM Loan Program. Ford still hasn’t paid that back.
  
  • As of today, Ford has had a total of at least $33,489,841,570 ($33.49 billion) in subsidies awarded.
  
  
• Nissan borrowed $1.448 billion under the ATVM Loan Program and still hasn’t paid us back.
  
  • Nissan’s total subsidy value is $1,955,199,450 ($1.96 billion).
  
  
• Fisker Automotive borrowed $529 million under the ATVM Loan Program and went bankrupt. We won’t get that money back.
• GM and Chrysler both went into bankruptcy and had to be rescued under a separate program.
  
  • GM’s total subsidy value is $50,346,920,000 ($50.35 billion).
  • Fiat-Chrysler’s total subsidy value is $17,599,200,000 ($17.6 billion).

But people are worried about Tesla, which has had the least amount of subsidies according to this tracker?
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Who Else Gets High Amounts Of Subsidies?

I wanted to take this to the next level and include oil companies that are currently creating products that pollute the air. As you know, pollution has been linked to higher Covid-19 deaths and also many, many other illnesses. So, let’s take a quick glance at some of the more popular brands you may be familiar with:

• Exxon Mobil: total subsidy value is $1,015,682,466 ($1.02 billion);
  
  • Exxon’s federal loans/bailout assistance total: $3,853,988,000 ($3.85 billion).
  
  
• Chevron: total subsidy value is $117,023,474 ($117 million);
  
  • Chevron’s federal loan and bailout assistance: $2,074,752,000 ($2.07 billion)
  
  
• Shell: total subsidy value is $1,795,683,725 ($1.8 billion);
  
  • Its federal loans and bailout assistants total $2,686,000 ($2.69 million).

Although these companies were awarded smaller subsidy amounts than Tesla was, keep in mind that these long established companies pollute our planet and thus bodies in ways that cause all kinds of illnesses and tens or hundreds of thousands of premature deaths a year.
Additionally, they have gotten massive bailouts.
Final 2.5¢

The average American may see criticisms of “Tesla subsidies” and automatically assume that Elon Musk is trying to steal their money and is getting away with it because he is a billionaire. This is simply not the case. Every year, we as taxpayers give billions upon billions of dollars out in subsidies to many, many companies. Tesla has benefitted the least from this while providing some of the most valuable products of the century, which will enable us to have a better future. That is why the government has rightfully invested in Tesla over the years — because the return on investment for society is massive.
Others companies that have been established for decades and contribute every day to deadly pollution also receive subsidies. If Tesla was not going to do so, that would put it on lower ground than the competition and make it harder to succeed — which would hurt everyone.

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[CUDA]

Charlie use facts

Tesla electric cars less likely to catch fire than petrol cars – report


Tesla cars catching fire have made news around the world. Now the company claims it's all smoke and mirrors – and that petrol-powered vehicles are more prone to burst into flames.


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“From 2012 to 2020, there has been approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 205 million miles travelled. By comparison, data shows that in the US there is one ICE [internal combustion engine] vehicle fire for every 19 million miles travelled,” Tesla’s 2020 Impact Report claimed.

The report cites data “gathered by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and the US Department of Transportation” however relevant figures are not linked, and the study does not seem to take into account vehicle age. Tesla has only been selling vehicles in high volume for approximately five years.

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Furthermore, older petrol-powered vehicles – and ones that have not been properly maintained – are more likely to catch fire or have mechanical breakdowns.

Several high-profile instances of Tesla fires have made news in recent months, prompting questions about the safety and transparency of the brand's operations.

Further, a report last year found electric vehicle battery fires could require “up to 150,000 litres of water” to extinguish. By comparison, when a petrol or diesel car catches fire, it can be put out with between 500 and 1000 litres of water.

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A statement from Tesla said: “In the rare instances where Tesla vehicles are involved in a fire, we provide detailed information to first responders so they can safely handle those emergency situations. We continue to improve our battery chemistry, cell structure, battery pack structure and vehicle passive safety in order to decrease fire risk to as close to zero as possible.”

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[CUDA]

Give it away...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ailouts-359932

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Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back

The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.

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</figure></section></section><section class="page-content__row page-content__row--story mobile-spacing" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; position: relative; z-index: 2; margin: 1.875rem auto 0px; max-width: 84.375rem; border: 0px; padding: 0px 1.875rem; color: rgb(105, 109, 112); font-family: din-2014, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><aside class="social-tools" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0.625rem 0px 0px;"></aside>Government payments to farmers have surged to historic levels under President Donald Trump as the Agriculture Department floods the industry with cash to stem the financial losses from Trump’s tariff fights and the coronavirus pandemic.
But as agriculture grows more reliant on unprecedented taxpayer support, farm policy experts and watchdog groups warn the subsidies are growing too big and too fast, with no strings attached and little oversight from Congress — and that Washington could have a difficult time shutting off the spigot.

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Direct farm aid has climbed each year of Trump’s presidency, from $11.5 billion in 2017 to more than $32 billion this year — an all-time high, with potentially far more funding still to come in 2020, amounting to about two-thirds of the cost of the entire Department of Housing and Urban Development and more than the Agriculture Department’s $24 billion discretionary budget, according to a POLITICO analysis. But lawmakers have taken a largely hands-off approach, letting the department decide who gets the money and how much.

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</aside>The massive payments have been a political boon to Trump in farm country — he tweeted in January that he hoped the money would be “the thing they will most remember” — but risk creating a culture of dependency, as farmers and ranchers work the bonus subsidies into their financial plans when making large, up-front investments in seed, feed and farm machinery.
“It’s a big problem for agriculture because it’s not sustainable,” said Anne Schechinger, senior economics analyst at the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit watchdog organization. “It’s really difficult once you’re giving farmers this much money to then take away those [payments].”
It’s a problem for taxpayers, too: The size, speed and lack of scrutiny of the payments should concern the public,says Neil Hamilton, emeritus professor and former director of Drake University’s Agricultural Law Center.
“It’s just, ‘Here’s your check.’ There’s an incredible amount of trust that [farmers] will use it wisely,” he said. “But at the end of the day, it’s your and my tax money. It’s not a crazy idea to ask what the public’s getting from this, or could the public expect more for it.”
The spending surge began in mid-2018 when USDA started writing checks to farmers and ranchers to pay for the damage from Trump’s trade war, which brought about higher tariffs that crushed agricultural exports and commodity prices. Farm sales to China plummeted from $19.5 billion in 2017 to just $9 billion the next year; as producers continued to hemorrhage profits in 2019, farm bankruptcies jumped nearly 20 percent last year.

The trade bailout has now spanned three years and surpassed $23 billion, even though it was never appropriated by Congress. Instead, the money was funneled through USDA’s Commodity Credit Corporation, a Depression-era agency that can borrow from the U.S. Treasury to stabilize the farm economy.

</section><section class="page-content__row page-content__row--story main-section" data-content-section="10" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; position: relative; z-index: 2; margin: 1.875rem auto 0px; max-width: 84.375rem; border: 0px; padding: 0px 1.875rem; color: rgb(105, 109, 112); font-family: din-2014, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><aside class="story-enhancement standard" data-content-child-index="0-1" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 1.875rem;"><iframe title="Government farm aid has soared under Trump" aria-label="chart" id="datawrapper-chart-rrobm" src="https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/rrobm/3/" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" height="552" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px auto; width: 0px; border-width: initial; border-style: none; min-width: 100%; height: 560px;"></iframe></aside>“The administration picked these trade fights promising agriculture that this would lead to some better world at some point,” Hamilton said. “Rather than suffering any consequence for the ill-conceived strategy, they just said, ‘Hey, let’s tap the bank. We’ll buy our way out of this.’”
Because agriculture is both high-risk and vital to the food supply, the government has long been in the business of helping farmers and ranchers manage economic downturns, natural disasters and other headwinds; Congress routinely passes farm bills that include a suite of subsidies, conservation incentives, crop insurance and other safety net programs. Under the Obama administration, total direct payments to farmers ranged from $9.8 billion to nearly $13 billion per year.
But under Trump, the trade bailout and coronavirus relief efforts have pushed farm spending to more than twice that level, with far more in the pipeline.
USDA is currently distributing $16 billion in farm rescue payments, on top of standard farm bill subsidies, plus another round of trade bailout checks earlier this year. But bipartisan lawmakers are now calling for adding as much as $50 billion to Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue’s arsenal in the next stimulus package to help producers stung by supply chain disruptions.
Farm industry groups and their allies on Capitol Hill argue the money is needed to stem the steep losses after many of the biggest food purchasers, like schools and restaurants, stopped buying. Even as the cost of beef climbed at grocery stores during the pandemic, for example, the money wasn’t reaching cattle ranchers who received unusually low prices for their livestock from meatpackers.


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[JLanier571]

Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics necessary to deny the data. Well done.

[David]

The IIHS tracks non collision vehicle fires. Their most recent data is 2016 to 2018, so early Model S data only for Tesla. It's not the worst, nor is is as good as Tesla is claiming today. Perhaps Tesla has more current data then the IIHS has published

average large 4 door car relative claim frequency = 149
Tesla model S = 140. It did not make the top claim listIIHS fires page 2.pdfIIHS fires page 5.pdf

[Chaz]

Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics necessary to deny the data. Well done.

CRUD = finding fake new's .. nothing new there .. sorry to disappoint ..

And Ohh my, look at all those "power or electric' borrowers ..

Just for kicks .. post up how much NASA spends with Space-X ..

Pretty easy to pay back a Measley two billion .. when your getting the other hand stuffed to the gills ...

It's not just the big golf carts that go full inferno ...

The little ones ... do it too ...













Lithium batterys are like Nitro Methane .. a mono propellent .. no good to smother the fire from oxygen .. it will continue to burn .

At least burn magnesium .. white hot and purty ...

[David - WI]

Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics necessary to deny the data. Well done.

The fact is Americans have always wanted fuel-efficient cars because that saves them money—and is also highly beneficial to the environment. This government-mandated scheme of carbon credits simply replaces consumer-driven demand for better technology with a make-believe commodity that benefits no one except companies like Tesla—which in turn makes cars that most Americans can’t afford.

https://empoweringamerica.org/aftern...-on-americans/

[Chaz]

https://empoweringamerica.org/aftern...-on-americans/

I find that common sense is wasted on the woke (funny how they are for the most part .. asleep) .

All we can do is remind them of energy independence that we had just a couple years ago. The other half (tard) comes into play when they would rather spend a trillion dollars on a bogus system .. than open up the fields and refineries .. sad

[Shaun K]

Tesla Fire Needed 40 Times More Water Than Regular Car After Crash (businessinsider.com)

"Normally a car fire you can put out with 500 to 1,000 gallons of water," Austin Fire Department Division Chief Thayer Smith said, per The Independent, "but Tesla's may take up to 30,000-40,000 gallons of water, maybe even more, to extinguish the battery pack once it starts burning and that was the case here."

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/aust...er-tesla-crash

[David - WI]

Amazon temporarily shuts down solar rooftops at all US facilities due to fires

A fire broke out at an Amazon warehouse in Maryland in June 2021 due to an 'unspecified event involving the solar panel system'

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...cilities-fires

[powerabout]

The Government has not forced Tesla to build EV cars for the last 12 years. People actually want them. How else do you explain their 50% growth in sale the last few years. They are outperforming many old large auto manufacturers. One thing I have learned over the years is many people resist change. Maybe I should start another thread on 4 stroke O/B's. LOL.

The gov has given them about $500 million a year in carbon credits.

Yes people get comfortable and resist change, but you need to look at what that change did for you, who wants conventional ply tyres or drum brakes or carbys?

Change quiet often has costs with no benefit or its a balance.
57 corvette Fuel Injection, we all gave up on carbs, well Detroit didnt till forced.

EFI production outboards pre 2000?? ( ok 220 laser)changed when forced to.