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02-09-2021, 01:14 AM #1
23 eliminator Daytona porpoise
have a 86 23ft daytona with twin 225 promaxs .. 28 choppers on sportmaster straight skegs.. lh motor on port side..starboard side is rh motor.. motors are level with lowest edge of outside sponsons.. but at around 60 to 80 the porpoise is pretty bad .. i haven't drove it much to try fixing it wondering if trim up or down is better ... i did try neutral trim and motors tuck all way down made no difference.. wondering if maybe trim tab on the center pod would help.. like a fixed adjustment..didnt get it over 80 mph because was hoping so bad ... also my first twin engine cat.. any help with this on these boats be appreciated thanks
1979 hydrostream vector sold
2001 american offshore 26 twin 300 promaxs
2006 hydrostream comp vking horned 225 promax/
1986 23ft twin engine eliminator twin 225 promaxs SOLD
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02-09-2021, 09:28 AM #2
All cats hop in the transition zone. I'm not a fan of tabs on Cats. I would try some different props. Choppers have alot of bow lift, I would look for a set of cleavers. And perhaps look at weight distribution, moving things around can make a big difference.
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02-09-2021, 10:04 AM #3
Yea i didnt think about the choppers being bow lift need some stern lift would probally help the air staying fully under it
1979 hydrostream vector sold
2001 american offshore 26 twin 300 promaxs
2006 hydrostream comp vking horned 225 promax/
1986 23ft twin engine eliminator twin 225 promaxs SOLD
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02-09-2021, 10:56 AM #4Supporting Member
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You need to talk to Hydroskreamin and or Engineer Mike. They both have 23s running over 100 with single motors.
Joe
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03-19-2021, 05:56 PM #5
I am very familiar with setup on that boat. Helped another owner with his. The choppers SUCK on that boat. Almost could not drive it with the hop. Get a set of Merc 3 blade cleavers 14.5 diameter 28 or maybe 30 pitch. Boat was a dream to drive after that.
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03-19-2021, 10:13 PM #6
I got a set 30p cleavers getting matched and worked at proformance propeller in sody daisy tn right now ..hopeing that will help it get flatter and gain some speed
1979 hydrostream vector sold
2001 american offshore 26 twin 300 promaxs
2006 hydrostream comp vking horned 225 promax/
1986 23ft twin engine eliminator twin 225 promaxs SOLD
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03-22-2021, 12:21 PM #7
I noticed you said motors are level with the bottom of the boat. I assume you mean the center of the prop shaft is level with the bottom at neutral trim. That might be a little low, as it will drag the lowers and also contribute to your porpoise. Try the props first and if you still have some hop try slowly raising the engine height to find the sweet spot. When I test I go up 1/8 inch at a time. Be sure to monitor water pressure. If you go too high you will lose pressure. I try to stay above 12 pounds.
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03-22-2021, 04:05 PM #8
Center of propshafts are even with lowest part of the put side sponsons.. its getting around 22psi with sportmasters yea iam think needs come up 3/8 to half inch
1979 hydrostream vector sold
2001 american offshore 26 twin 300 promaxs
2006 hydrostream comp vking horned 225 promax/
1986 23ft twin engine eliminator twin 225 promaxs SOLD
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03-22-2021, 06:43 PM #96000 RPM
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Brad,
is that possibly our 24 Daytona redone in white?
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03-22-2021, 10:31 PM #10
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03-23-2021, 06:32 PM #126000 RPM
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Thanks for posting this! Man, what a beautiful job Brad did on that boat. I saw it at Blarney just after he finished it. It looked great.
Both Brad and I did a lot of work on that hull. Fun and very fast. Wonder where she ended up.
I can see now from the side shot of 265mercman's boat it's the earlier 23 Daytona.
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04-16-2021, 08:47 AM #136000 RPM
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@265mercman did you get it figured out?
Mine with a single 400r porpoises 60-75 mph. It did exactly the same with twin 300’s and I’ve run numerous props on each. Trimming up or down doesn’t really change it, but trimming up seems to get through it quicker. It took me quite a while to get comfortable with it.
Something to understand about these hulls is that the center pod is raked like a massive trim tab in the down position. This gives it a ton of stern lift. Myself and others have found max speed trimming it high to overcome the built-in stern lift. I’ll stop short of recommending anyone else try that; just telling you what we’ve found.
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04-16-2021, 03:25 PM #14
@ engineermike I havnt got to drive it again after 1st couple trips out afterbuying it tore a lower unit up imagine that.. but finally after dealing with lower unit guy horrible experience..i finally bout one and i havnt been home in a month... i do got a set of 30 labbed cleavers had built.. prop shafts look to be even with i believe if i remeber highest part of outer sponsons ... but ive got a ton of water psi like 22-26 psi ive seen i thought about maybe raising another 1/2inch?
1979 hydrostream vector sold
2001 american offshore 26 twin 300 promaxs
2006 hydrostream comp vking horned 225 promax/
1986 23ft twin engine eliminator twin 225 promaxs SOLD
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04-16-2021, 03:53 PM #156000 RPM
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Higher is usually better as long as you maintain water pressure UNLESS....remember what I was saying about trimming high? If I get my prop shaft too high then I lose bite when it I try to trim it high for bow lift. In other words, when the shaft is too high, I will get into the 80’s and start trimming up for the last 10 mph. Well, instead of the bow coming up, the bow stays level and the rpms rise until I hit the limiter because it starts slipping too much. You have to have good bite to get the bow up. I don’t know if those cleavers will get you enough bow lift but it’s worth a shot since you have 2 in the water. I’d like to see something more like bblades blasters, pro e.t., or even pro max props on it.
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